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Time to be a big boy
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Posted by: Scav
Hmm I've mastered javascript and html, now i want to move on but even the intermediate college class of web design i took this summer left me lacking. If anyone can help me with at least a few of the things below I would be very thankful as I hope to make a carreer of this.
1) Whats UBB and why do you need a license and how much does it cost.
2) Im looking how to make news scripts and the like. Also very interested in forums but I assume they are in the same boat.
3) Where is a good CSS site, not lookin so much for straight facts but has lots of information and examples and easy to understand.
4) Also lookin for a Really Really good CGI/Perl site. Again simple with lots of examples.
5) Do you need to actualy have the site up on the web to test yer cgi scripts or is something like javascript you can playwith offline, if so how?
6) Im 18 and gonna be 19 at the beginning of february and I want to start growing up. As I love creating web pages and have strong html and javascript skills I need to get into the field but I dont know how. I live in Fremont California and if any of you know of anyone around my area who's hiring for an internship or something of the like I am interested 8)
Thank you for reading this far and any help would be great. I can be contacted at 6944@home.com in addition to this thread 8).
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Welcome to OTS, Scav http://www.opentechsupport.net/forums/wink.gif
Okay, some answers:
[*] Whats UBB and why do you need a license and how much does it cost.
A UBB (Ultimate Bulletin Board) is a CGI message board script developed by Infopop, and is currently the most popular and functional CGI bulletin board script on the net. If hacked just right, it can be very flexible and customizable.
A license is much like payment for using their full-version software. A regular owned UBB license from Infopop costs $199, and this entitles the licensee to one year of free updates and access to the member's area. There is a freeware version of UBB, but it's very very limited and is intended only to test if UBB will run on your server.
If you don't want to pay a license fee, there are lots of UBB ripoffs currently on the net, like Ikonboard.
[*] I'm looking how to make news scripts and the like. Also very interested in forums but I assume they are in the same boat.
Well, the best way to learn is to dissect and/or reverse-engineer any news scripts or forum scripts you can find online. This is only useful if you have considerable knowledge of CGI, preferably Perl.
[*] Where is a good CSS site, not lookin so much for straight facts but has lots of information and examples and easy to understand.
Don't really know of any offhand, but I guess that's what search engines are for http://www.opentechsupport.net/forums/wink.gif
[*] Also lookin for a Really Really good CGI/Perl site. Again simple with lots of examples.
Hmmm, good places to start will be BigNoseBird.Com, CGI-Resources.Com and HotScripts.Com.
[*] Do you need to actualy have the site up on the web to test yer cgi scripts or is something like javascript you can playwith offline, if so how?
Well, if you can set up a personal server and install a perl handler on it, you can test them offline (although you won't be getting optimum results unless you're running Linux).
The best way is to set up an account on free webhosts that allows personal cgi-bins (like hypermart.net and virtualave.net) and test them live.
[*] I'm 18 and gonna be 19 at the beginning of february and I want to start growing up. As I love creating web pages and have strong html and javascript skills I need to get into the field but I dont know how. I live in Fremont California and if any of you know of anyone around my area who's hiring for an internship or something of the like I am interested 8)
Lotsa web design jobs in California http://www.opentechsupport.net/forums/biggrin.gif However, I live in Los Angeles and here, web designers are like lawyers - too many of em. I am also looking for better-paying web job, so if I find any, I'll let you know (although you would probably need to relocate in the process).
You're on to a good start. It has been projected that there will be thousands of new web-related jobs this year, so you got a lot to look forward to.
Posted by: Scav
Thx laggy 8) you were very helpful, im bookmarking all those sites you gave me 8)
As for the UBB code, so its just a premade really good forum script like you and the group are using and basicaly is not something you need to have or to learn if you could create your own from scratch and had a server to run em?
And btw I am so glad you have a web designers forum 8)
Posted by: TotalRecall
Scav, may I ask how you learned java?
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Posted by: Scav
Scav, may I ask how you learned java?
Hehe, Javascript not Java. Java is a programing language and Javascript is basicaly "if", "then", "else" statements for use with html. But the way I learned javascript was though www.webmonkey.com and a summer of testing it and pushing what it said it could do. I don't have any desire to learn Java at this time 8).
Posted by: Scav
I know im replying to myself but well you smell funny so there!
As I will be applying for an internship at a lot of places in the next week or so. (which places I do not know) I suppose it would be helpful if I knew how much to ask for? If any of you people in the field or related to it know what I am worth plz reply.
Skills:
-I know how to use dreamweaver but do most coding from notepad.
-I know html like the back of my hand
-I know and understand JavaScript REALLY well but sometimes have to goto a site for references on really difficult scripts.
-Through the websites laggy gave me above I am picking up CGI slowly, a few days ago I didnt know what it was really and now I can make some simple scripts working on a virtual avenue site from scratch. But basically I dont know CGI.
-My previous Job History is 2 years as a member service attendent at a pool club (i cleaned toilets and sold candy 8)) 1 month of radioshack (bastards lied to me said id make 9 dollars and hour and when i found out i was makin minimum wage i left) 3 months at blockbuster as an assistant manager (lotta illegal crap going on there, couldnt take it)
-I graduated highschool with a little above a 3.2 gpa and as soon as my paperwork goes through at my local comunity college I will be a full time student (12 units).
So Please tell me what I'm worth so I can ask for a decent ammount and not get laughed at or screwed for asking too low. 8)
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Big web design jobs usually start at 35K a year fulltime. Normal rates range from 45K to as high as 90K, depending on your experience and how good you are.
Most companies require 1-2 years design experience, and some even require knowledge in Flash, Photoshop and some server-side programming.
I would recommend doing sample sites first, or gaining experience by working freelance on some sites (volunteer work, of course - no pay). You have to have some sort of resume to show potential employers, like a couple of sites you created or manage/administer.
As for starting salary, I don't really know. I would suggest that you visit HotJobs.Com or Monster.Com and look up "Web Designer" or "Web Developer" ... some companies there post salary requirements. You can get a pretty good idea how much you want to charge for your services.
Bottomline: Get some more experience and publish some online samples for your resume.
Posted by: Scav
heh ive got some sites http://kevinulin.virtualave.net/ but nothing large scale 8(. I dont know what to make that would be useful and work. The web is already over taped with fansites and i dont have the time or manpower to develop a site as largescale as the-group.org or opentechsupport.net Its like everything that can be done has been. I'd love to make a good site. Sometimes I just turn on my computer stare blankly at photoshop and browse the web lookin for something that I could contribute but there is nothing.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Doesn't have to be a fansite ... remember that you will be making a site as a sample of what you can do. Whether people will like it or visit it is irrelevant - it needs to be a site where you can try to show people you will work for that you are capable of doing the job for them.
Create a site about yourself ... an online diary ... an online scrapbook or something ... you will not be doing those sites for hits - you are doing it so that you'll have a resume. You can even help out other people design their sites and just ask for a link back to YOUR homepage or even credits at the bottom of their page.
You're trying to build experience, remember? It's like having a scrapbook with all your drawings and paintings. Design sites and create unique and thought-provoking interfaces - then put all the sites you created in your portfolio.
Since you're still going to be in school anyway, building sites in your spare time is a great way to get the needed experience and building your portfolio. If you have friends or family that need pages, do it for them - just don't forget to put your name and/or your link at the bottom of each page (like "Site Design by Kevin Ulin").
That way, you are gaining experience, improving your design skills, and getting name recognition all at the same time.
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