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School Retards
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Posted by: Mists_Of_Avalon
Is it just me or does anyone else feel that metal detectors in shools are nothing more than a bit of false reassurance to the total idiots that think that a metal detector is gonna stop someone from shooting up a school......The fact is if someone decides to bring in a sawed off shotgun or something they are not going to simply walk in and try to get past the detectors...they already have two targets. Sgt. O'maly And State Trooper Bob-Joe.......Its not that i am going to do this it is that i am simply getting tired of waiting in a hallway at 7:30 in the morning waiting for some idiot in the front to realize that his belt has a metal clasp......anyone else have any feelings about this?
Posted by: Tweaker
I think I'll move you over to rant-rave forum. 
Posted by: Mists_Of_Avalon
Thank you sorry for putting it in the wrong place there..
Posted by: Xtren
Ok, this is wierd to me. Why, in the first place, are there metal detectors in your school? This sounds more like an airport to me... it's just not sane for a school, where shootings rarely occur over the course of a year in the whole country.
Posted by: Tweaker
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Originally posted by Mists_Of_Avalon
Thank you sorry for putting it in the wrong place there..
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No problem.
Posted by: Chaotic
First of all, more people bring weapons to school than you seem to be aware of. Whether it be guns knives or whatever. Most don't bring them to "shoot up the school", but seem to think they need them for protection.
Second of all, I would think any extra effort to help protect you and your friends would be appreciated. Unless your just THAT eager to get into English class. :P
Posted by: ZeRo_MaXwInG
Metal detectors in schools aren't justified. Waste of time and money.
Posted by: Tecil
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Metal detectors in schools aren't justified. Waste of time and money.
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Try working in law enforcement and saying that. Especially when the SRO brings in the items they've collected for the week.
Posted by: redwench
they are rather silly, the columbine shooters just walked in and started shooting, they didnt wait til lunch hour.
tecil, and are there less shootings/stabbings now as opposed to before the metal detectors? i doubt theres much change.
Posted by: Null Actor
You all need to go watch Bowling for Columbine.
Posted by: Tecil
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tecil, and are there less shootings/stabbings now as opposed to before the metal detectors? i doubt theres much change.
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I'm actually not that fond of the idea of metal detectors in schools.
I was just saying that, because it is quite amazing what teens acquire these days in terms of weaponry.
Boise, hasn't come to the level that some cities have. We don't have that kind of problem for them to do something like that here.
Posted by: Tecil
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You all need to go watch Bowling for Columbine.
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How is that? I heard it wasn't a pro gun control flick, but it comes off as that in the previews.
Posted by: taco_fox
We don't have metal dectors, just cameras everywhere you look.
Posted by: ZeRo_MaXwInG
Yeah, true. They hide the camers in small black spheres, trying to conceal their presence.
Posted by: TheeMon
off topic *nova i wanted to see that heh*
ok i think the idea is pure stupied first off... sencond because i am a student i can talk with a "insiders view" and i can tell you(espcially tecil-doesnt he work in a police depo) if someone feals they need a weapon for "protection" they'll resort to glass knives- fyi i have 5 glass knives and not b/c id want to carry them to school...
and if you think that kids would bring a gun to school for protection*highly doubtful unless they plan on useing it* there ARE ways around a metal detector...
+ i have a ink pen that looks like an ink pen smells like an ink pen wrights like and ink pen but its a knife... it looks perfectly like a metal ink pen but you pull off the back and out comes a knife... they have them in lipstick bottles and tonsa other things too... and that inkpen cost me 5 bucks- and fyi it passed threw pittsburg airport(pre 911)
that was a big ramble but its all true so... heh
Posted by: Shalome
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How is that? I heard it wasn't a pro gun control flick, but it comes off as that in the previews.
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Michael Moore, the filmmaker, is a longtime member of the NRA and damn proud of it.
He just doesn't appreciate the violent society America allows itself to have through laziness, stupidity, and media glorification.
Metal detectors at schools are stupid -- but not because they're unnecessary. It is stupid because someone, somewhere violated the trust that a civilized society should have created -- people in a supposedly civilized society behaved like animals, bringing weapons into a place of learning, for whatever reason. This is not a new thing, it's been going on since the late 80s/early 90s in the US.
I remember the first time I had to walk through a metal detector somewhere other than an airport -- it was at a punk rock show. My first thought was "why the hell is there a metal detector at a CONCERT," quickly followed by the thought "is there anyone here that HASN'T gotten stopped by the metal detector?!?" (since everyone had spikes on their jacket, their jewelry, steel-toed boots, etc...)
At any rate. It's pathetic that parents in the US can't seem to teach their kids respect for life. Then again, parents with no respect for themselves or their children have little to teach in the first place, I guess..
Posted by: Chako
Metal detectors are there for a reason. You may not like them..you may think they are stupid. Heck, you may even think they are a waste of tax payers money..however..if the school board feels it needs them..then you will just have to live with it.
Frankly, I cannot understand the love of weapons that some of you guys have. When I read Thees previous posting...I had to shake my head. He is a good reason why there are metal detectors and some modicum of security. Glass knives? Bha! And bragging about carrying a pen knife in airports is just too much for my sensibilities to comprehend.
Fact is, I have some friends who work in some tough inner city schools in Detroit. One of them has been stabbed 3 times...thankfully, not seriously. He has refused a pistol for his school desk as protection because he feels that having a gun in the classroom is dangerous. I believe him.
Now, there are metal detectors in his school...and yes, they aren't 100% foolproof. But it is some added insurance...insurance I sure wouldn't want to go without if I was dumb enough and crazy enough to work there.
With that said, some of my friends work in tough Canadian schools as well. One of my co workers got stabbed working in a Southern Ontario grade school. So this is not just an "American Problem". The problem is a societal one and poor parental upbringing.
As Thee said, knives are easy to conceal. To wear them to school as protection is dangerous, stupid, and criminal. Where I work, if we catch you with a weapon, your banned from school..and that means kicked out for good. Zero tolerance on such stupidities is needed. For every idiot that brings something like that to school...its easy access during a fight.
I think metal detectors are a good thing in bad neighbourhoods. You would be surprised at the weapons it does catch, and each is one less weapon that can be used against another student or staff.
Hence, I fail to see your complaint about them.
Posted by: Shalome
Chako, try being a student at one of those schools, and you'll see why some students feel the need to carry a weapon "for protection." Try being beat up and threatened daily by guys you know have weapons and use them.
I'm not saying it's right, I'm definately not saying Thee is right, I'm just saying. When you honestly feel your life is threatened, you do what you can to feel defended.
And no, I don't own or carry a gun. The only "weapons" we have in the house are decorative knives and swords.
Posted by: Chako
Shal...and I say to that..try to be a teacher in a place where students arm themselves for protection.
I am serious when I say, he got stabbed 3 times. Why? Because students carry knives for "protection".
If nobody carried knives..then it would be a safer school..regardless of the fist fights.
Posted by: Shalome
Agreed. Totally.
I wasn't trying to validate or justify, just to understand.
Posted by: redwench
hes not talking about a school where metal detectors are a necessity, but one where theyre put in just to make the school board look good. i went to public school in a reasonably large city. my school never had a stabbing or shooting while i was there. there were no shootings in the entire system, and maybe one or 2 stabbings in 4 years. these things are, for the most part, feel good measures. they arent necessary, because they dont prevent people from carrying out a crime.
Posted by: TotalRecall
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Heck, you may even think they are a waste of tax payers money..however..if the school board feels it needs them..then you will just have to live with it.
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First, that is definately the wrong attitude to take in an argument.
I believe placing metal detectors in schools is just a mental reassurance. Kids won't carry knives for fear of being caught. That works, although the steps needed to be taken for such searches are tiresome.
The same isn't true for guns. When a kid carries a gun to a school with a metal detector, shots are going to be fired. People are going to be hurt if the shooter is somewhat accurate. A small explosive weapon could be easily tossed into the area with the detectors, stunning and injuring any guards. From here, the student could enter the school.
In these cases, the metal detector doesn't help. What happened in years before Columbine? Such violence in schools was unheard of in my parent's generation. They even admit to carrying pocket-knives to school. This looks like a discipline problem.
Posted by: Null Actor
Ehh... school violence wasn't unheard of. Some of the worst school violence in history was back in the 20s.
And the problem isn't weapons... if that were the case, you'd have to take away everyone's pens and pencils. I was stabbed in the arm with a pencil in highschool. Bastard broke it off too! Of course, he's a friend and it was... odd circumstances, but the fact of the matter is that knives, guns, pens, pencils, chairs, desk legs, potted plants... in any situation, they all become a weapon just as deadly as anything else, if someone is willing to use it.
Like has already been said, the weapons aren't the problem, it's the people behind the weapons.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
nevertheless, it still does not mean that certified dangerous weapons should go unchecked ... we're talking about children here ... an argument over pokemon could lead to a massacre if one of em had a knife or a gun...
Posted by: Null Actor
Yeah, same as shal, I'm not arguing against it. But checking for weapons is just attacking the symptoms, not solving the problem.
Posted by: Ion Silverbolt
Damn laggy. Now i'm afraid to skimp on the more expensive treats for the kiddies this Halloween.
Posted by: SKYHN
What the crap, Ion is back.
Posted by: Erekose
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Originally posted by Canis Lupus
...an argument over pokemon could lead to a massacre if one of em had a knife or a gun...
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i'm not sure that would be a bad thing, entirely
Posted by: Mists_Of_Avalon
What i was trying to get across really is i don't mind dealing with um its the fact that When the process takes forever.......this creates a very bad area to deal with......my school has many cameras and metal detectors............You can do so many things when you are at the school that the thought of bringing a weapon is irrelavent......this year a kid made a pipe bomb in the band room...........luckily it was found by the janators when they were cleaning but the fact that he was able to make it was shocking.......the metal deetectors are useless...nothing more than reassurance to the weak minded that think a detector will save their wretched lives when some1 with a homicidal thought runs into their classroom with a gun/knive and starts a killing spree........Also the laxness of the secruity during school hours....like i said the pipe bomb makeing incident......But also when they give you a set number of passes to let you out of class for any reason(within reason) that most of the time i can just leave the classroom and not be caught by who ever is supposed to be "watching" the halls because they care more about their food than the protection of the students....i can walk around for hours and not get asked for verification that i was allowed to be there.......see my point?
Posted by: Chako
TR, its more then a discipline problem...its societal rot.
Posted by: Xtren
I still don't think checking for weapons every day is practical, the majority of time it's just a waste and no one will find anything.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Maybe the same can be said about checking baggages in the airport?
Posted by: Tweaker
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I still don't think checking for weapons every day is practical, the majority of time it's just a waste and no one will find anything.
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Maybe Xtren, but it's that one that gets by I'm worried about.
Posted by: Xtren
Well that's true, really a tough topic. You could make some solid arguements either way really. I think it would probably depend more on the type of school, and where it's situated...
Posted by: N.W.A_Kid
my old high school doesn't have metal detectors, for the reason that they couldn't afford them. In our school if we wanted to kill you we would do it right in the parking lot, and you can't exactly put a big metal detecting field in the parking lot, and shooting up a school is the same as doing in a parking lot, everyone runs and everyone sees you, only at least in the parking lot you may be able to get away for a few hours, so I think they're a waste in shcool. >
Edit: Although many weapons were brought to my school nobody has actually killed, shot, or stabbed anyone, we still have the fistfights and the worst thing that usually happens is somebody throws someone else through a car windshield in the parking lot of they break off a table leg and beat the other kid with it.
Posted by: Tecil
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break off a table leg and beat the other kid with it.
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Back when I was a senior in 96 some guy pulled off this kids prosthetic leg and was beating him with it in an after school scuffle.
Posted by: Mists_Of_Avalon
thats just wrong.......but funny in a way...it seems that this is a very tough subject.....too many ideas (good ones at that) on either side of the veiw point..........i guess i will just have to wait and see how this plays out....
Posted by: N.W.A_Kid
I shouldn't laugh at that but it is kind of funny. I feel bad though. Oh man, if anyone likes stories about old people, read my new thread I'm about to post.
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