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Feedback from my post....
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Posted by: Canis Lupus
You have something to say about what I said here?
http://www.opentechsupport.net/foru...0509#post110509
Fire away...
Posted by: taco_fox
Good job.
Posted by: AltronHGX
I think the Tylenol was a good idea.
Irrelevant piece of commentary and advice from Altron. After you type up a long speech or reply to a touchy subject, hold the mouse over the "send reply" button and think if what you have to say is relevant or not.
Then think "What would I rather have? Suspension, or me getting publicly abused by an admin after I tried to be a wiseass."
"Or should I just keep my damn mouth shut and read penny-arcade."
This isn't a TV drama or the playground. If you say you're going to leave, do it. Don't just say it so you can see how many people say "i'll miss u plz dont go plz its not teh same w/o u hear".
And I'm glad to see no one got banned from all this..
edit: Nice new signature, btw.
"What are you thinking about?"
"Uh mm .. thinking about what to think about..."
Posted by: Freak
It is the Rants and Rave forum, and people can let shit fly. But if it broke the rules, then its gets dealed with. Come back Chako!
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This isn't a TV drama or the playground. If you say you're going to leave, do it. Don't just say it so you can see how many people say "i'll miss u plz dont go plz its not teh same w/o u hear".
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LOL 
Posted by: ZeRo_MaXwInG
Well said.
Posted by: Null Actor
Heh, I probably close the browser window more often than I hit post when it comes to some threads. I'll type it up and then just close the window rather than posting.
Anyway, what I just don't understand is why people have a problem with things being moderated. If something gets wiped, so be it, it's obviously gone too far in some respect. And anyway, it's not like you are typing up reasons why you should have the nobel prize... it's just a forum, if your stuff gets deleted, what's the big deal?
After all, if you are typing up something so important that it would hurt you if it got deleted... well, maybe you are typing it in the wrong place.
Posted by: Spider
"I mean, what the **** is wrong with you people?" really had me laughing, that was the last thing I expected to read in your post. 
OMFG though, don't take the Tylenol PM omfg, you're going to miss Smallville in two hours and it looks hardcore!
Posted by: AK47
Nice work laggy. Its about time someone said something
Posted by: redwench
its these damn thongs. not the most comfortable of undergarments.
/me buys laggy a case of corona
Posted by: Bobaroo
Can't we all just get a long?
There is no need to fight over the interent, expecially OTS.
Posted by: ZeRo_MaXwInG
Like he said, "If you got nothing nice to say... shut the **** up"
As long as there are people with different opinions and belief, there will always be conflict, no matter what the medium.
I do agree that there shouldn't be any conflicts, that would be idealistic, but impossible. That's why I and many others joined OTS, not only because they have questions that we can answer and help solve, but an internet community that thrives on exchange of ideas and information, and most of the OTS members respect one another. If the latter was lacked here or in any online forum, it would certainly not be one I would be proud to be a member of.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by ZeRo_MaXwInG
That's why I and many others joined OTS, not only because they have questions that we can answer and help solve, but an internet community that thrives on exchange of ideas and information, and most of the OTS members respect one another. If the latter was lacked here or in any online forum, it would certainly not be one I would be proud to be a member of.
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Ahhh, it's a big relief to see someone who actually "gets it" ... thank you...
Posted by: ZeRo_MaXwInG
Your welcome.
Posted by: Kdr Kane
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Since you asked...
It sounds like quite a Rant. And you have a right to be frustrated.
However, I know it's not my site. But, if I had said that, it would've been deleted. Or eventually deleted because of someone else's response. So, it would have been deleted as inflammatory. Of this I have no doubt.
I have no idea to who you are directing your comments. If we can pick and choose which lines apply to who, how is that clearing things up?
I've seen posts deleted and threads closed because "we know where this is going". If you're having a problem with a person because they are trying to inflame people, then ban the shithead. Don't delete other people's posts without an explanation.
Hell, you might as well ban me if I'm pissing you off. But, whoever is doing the deletions is pissing people off just as bad as if they were banned. So, you might as well start banning people to reduce your grief and workload.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
This is gonna be lengthy, apologies in advance
So it all boils down to explaining why actions are being taken ... telling people what they have done wrong and why. I assumed that since we're all grownups here, people can take a "hint" when their posts get deleted. But I guess that's expecting too much.
Hence, whenever a post get edited, deleted, closed or anything else, a short explanation will be provided in the next post. Take note mods.
As for "banning the shithead", I am not in the business of banning anyone I don't agree with. I hate banning people. I try to avoid banning people because I don't like excluding anyone from this site. Banning someone is easier said than done. I deal with constant emails from the banned user asking "why why why?". Or they become disgruntled, register another name using another IP address, and cause more trouble (i.e. Mr Pink/Airbladus).
Banning is never a primary solution - it is always a point of last resort. Banning causes unnecessary anxiety among members - they will be afraid to post their own thoughts for fear that they may get banned. This type of atmosphere is going to be much worse than this current one we have (whatever it is we have).
So what's the middle ground? Editing, splitting and dissecting posts. It's the best solution I see and it has been working well until this point. If it weren't for the post deletions and splitting, there would be a whole lot more shit flying around than what we have right now.
The first post that gets deleted is the one that causes the trouble, and all replies to THAT post also get included, since how can a reply make sense if the post it was replying to is nowhere in sight?
Whatever posts got deleted, DESERVE to be deleted. The only thing missing is informing the people concerned why the posts were deleted. Of course, for topics that contain dozens of users who posted, it can get pretty daunting and tedious to explain to each and every poster what happened to their posts. (and I'm working on an auto-notification thing on this one so that the mods don't have to PM each and every person who got his posts deleted).
That, in a nutshell, is just a fraction of what a moderator's job is. Love it or leave it, that's what they have to put up with everyday - trying to do what they think is right in the midst of people who claim they can do a better job. They may, they may not, but if someone cannot live with how a moderator conducts business, how can they handle criticism if they become moderators themselves?
I reprimand mods if they do something out of line - there is no special treatment here, I won't get anything out of it.
The problem I see here is that the OTS community is growing, and beginning to gain a wider audience, with radically different personalities than the ones some people are accustomed to. It's either you bend to the wind or you stand against it... doing the latter usually causes you to break.
And the problem is that, instead of PM'ing the mods or PM'ing me about alleged "injustices" done to them, most people prefer to let EVERYONE know about it. That, in itself, causes most of the trouble we've been having in these forums lately - people who want to sensationalize everything instead of pursuing an amicable settlement or obtain an explanation.
But hey, like everyone else, I'm only human. My way may not be the best, but it's the best way that I know of. Maybe in the future when I become permanently unemployed, or get married or whatever, I can ask someone else to run the site and maybe the atmosphere will change for the better. But until then, unfortunately, you people would have to put up with me.
It may not be the perfect community, but let me tell you, this community in OTS.Net is still a hundred times better than most forum-based communities I see on the net...
Posted by: Null Actor
Meh, I don't see the point in informing people why, unless one of the people involved deserved a warning as per the rules.
Anyone who claims they don't know why certain posts get deleted is full of shit. It's pretty damn apparent when a post is gonna be a target for deletion. Anyone complaining when it happens is just being petulant.
I know that sometimes I might go too far (though I always make sure to keep it in rants and raves when I do. When I post to the rest of the site it's either humor in general or helpful/informative elsewhere), but when I do, I know damn well that there is a chance that the post is gonna get deleted. Do I care? Not really. If I post anything that is even slightly argumentative, I fully expect it to go away if it spawns something long and nasty.
Like I said before, I'm not writing breakthrough scientific papers when I post here; nothing I post is that big of a deal if it disappears.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Of course it should also encourage people to not repeat the same mistake again ... should is the operative word... there is only so much a mod can delete over and over again...
Posted by: Outlaw
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Originally posted by Canis Lupus
It may not be the perfect community, but let me tell you, this community in OTS.Net is still a hundred times better than most forum-based communities I see on the net...
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That's right, I visit alot of forums, none of them come close to this one.
A few other forums I visit alot are handling their moderation alot different than here, their moderators don't interfere as much in the conversations as they do here. Because of that, everyone there likes about 4 or 5 other people, and they hate the rest. Every thread, at least one person gets flamed. And these aren't just some unknown amateur sites.
Most forums are nothing compared to this one (or maybe I'm just visiting the wrong ones hehe).
Posted by: uh...ok
Well, except for 4 or 5 people, I hate you all too! 
*gives everyone a banana*
-uh...ok
Posted by: justinious
Well said Laggy-the-Mod.
ROFL Laggy-the-PO'd. Couldn't agree more. I'd give you a banana too, but you deserve this MUCH more:
http://www.opentechsupport.org/shal...ges/ots_elf.jpg
Posted by: scorpion_gold
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Originally posted by Canis Lupus
But hey, like everyone else, I'm only human. My way may not be the best, but it's the best way that I know of.
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for a human, you're doing a pretty damn good job!
Posted by: Heathen
Now I've been happy lately, thinking about the good things to come
And I believe it could be, something good has begun
Oh I've been smiling lately, dreaming about the world as one
And I believe it could be, some day it's going to come
Cause out on the edge of darkness, there rides a peace train
Oh peace train take this country, come take me home again
Now I've been smiling lately, thinking about the good things to come
And I believe it could be, something good has begun
Oh peace train sounding louder
Glide on the peace train
Come on now peace train
Yes, peace train holy roller
Everyone jump upon the peace train
Come on now peace train
Get your bags together, go bring your good friends too
Cause it's getting nearer, it soon will be with you
Now come and join the living, it's not so far from you
And it's getting nearer, soon it will all be true
Now I've been crying lately, thinking about the world as it is
Why must we go on hating, why can't we live in bliss
Cause out on the edge of darkness, there rides a peace train
Oh peace train take this country, come take me home again
Posted by: Foogar
Don't take this as undue criticism as it's more something to think about than anything. I'm also not pointing fingers at the current mods, nor telling you how to run this ship Cap'N'Laggy.
I just don't see how the mods can remain 100% objective in Rants and Raves when they participate in discussions there. Almost all objectivity is lost when a mod posts their views on a subject so suddenly whoever feels the other way is against the moderator(s) and will feel that way if something gets out of hand, their fault or not. (ie. 'I don't have the same belief on this subject as the mods so my post got deleted!')
My two bits, take'em how you want to.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by Foogar
I just don't see how the mods can remain 100% objective in Rants and Raves when they participate in discussions there. Almost all objectivity is lost when a mod posts their views on a subject so suddenly whoever feels the other way is against the moderator(s) and will feel that way if something gets out of hand, their fault or not. (ie. 'I don't have the same belief on this subject as the mods so my post got deleted!')
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Those are all very true, and it is something I "always" reiterate ... but mods and staffers are also entitled to present their own opinion on matters, since they're also OTS members. Nevertheless, I try to stay away from taking part in controversial topics as much as I can for this exact same reason, since saying "the mod is bullying me" is too good an alibi to pass up ... so mods and staffers should take note...
Posted by: Null Actor
It'd be pretty hard to find a mod who didn't want to participate on the site. And that's about the only way you'd get a mod who stayed out of all the fun discussions.
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