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GTA in the news again...
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Posted by: SKYHN
http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/fun.ga...e.ap/index.html
I wonder how many Maden games inspired people to play football. Or how many Final Fantasy games inspired people to learn to summoning and learn to summon Ifrit.
Posted by: scorpion_gold
bullshit. i summoned bahumet
Posted by: Xtren
Hey it's very possible. It's loads of fun stealing cars in GTA games, so of course people will get the impression that it's just as much fun in real life.
Posted by: Cheese
It's fun to steal cars in GTA because it's NOT real life. There are no victims or consequences...
Posted by: Xtren
There's a lot of people that will like the rush of it all even more simply because there are consequences. The higher the stakes the more difficult the task, and a lot of people like that challenge.
Posted by: Null Actor
And those same people would have done it whether or not they played the game.
Posted by: SKYHN
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Originally posted by scorpion_gold
bullshit. i summoned bahumet
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How did you summon Bahamut, if you didnt spell his name right? 
Posted by: Xtren
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Originally posted by Null Actor
And those same people would have done it whether or not they played the game.
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Not really... the game would give them the idea to steal cars, as well as make the whole thing fun for them to begin with. Those same type of people wouldn't have stolen all those cars if they hadn't played the game which influenced them to do so.
Posted by: Null Actor
So tell me, why then are there not 5 million new car thieves since GTA3 came out?
Posted by: Shalome
And why did people steal cars for joyrides and such BEFORE games like GTA3 came out?
Posted by: Null Actor
Duh, cause they read a preview.
Posted by: Bobaroo
Lets go around jumping off buildings, killing every person we see, stealing cars and running from the cops because we did it in a game
People know the difference between gaming and reality.
Posted by: Erekose
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Originally posted by Bobaroo330
People know the difference between gaming and reality.
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sane and rational people do
oh, and bahumet is cool shit. but the dude still owes me like $2.75
Posted by: N.W.A_Kid
if people are influenced by video games then they are either stupid or really weak minded. I have never even had the urge to do anything a video game shows me. GTA 3 and Vice City are the greatest stress relievers anyway. have a bad day with the police, pop in GTA and shoot em all!
want a sweet car but can't pay for it? take one in the game! work hard in real life to earn stuff. if I ever met a person who did something because a video game told them to, I'd smack the s**t out of em!
Posted by: scorpion_gold
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Originally posted by SKYHN
How did you summon Bahamut, if you didnt spell his name right?
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i can hardly spell my own name right, and it's three letters. How can expect to me get Bahamut's name right?
and N.W.A._Kid, have you ever heard of something like Tony Hawk Pro Skater? i know several people who started skating because of that game. including me.
Posted by: Gunslinger
There's nothing irrational about learning to skate. There is something irrational about stealing cars and killing cops.
Posted by: Bobaroo
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Originally posted by scorpion_gold
and N.W.A._Kid, have you ever heard of something like Tony Hawk Pro Skater? i know several people who started skating because of that game. including me.
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I did...Sort of...
But skating is different from stealing cars. When you skate the worst that can happen is a few broken bones, "playing" GTA in real life leads to death.
Posted by: Xtren
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Originally posted by Null Actor
So tell me, why then are there not 5 million new car thieves since GTA3 came out?
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Not all people are stupid enough to do whatever they see in a game.
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Originally posted by Shalome
And why did people steal cars for joyrides and such BEFORE games like GTA3 came out?
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Because some other car theft inspired them to.
Posted by: redwench
so, youre saying that people have no criminal impulses unless someone shows them in detail how to do it? all those murderers and rapists in the middle ages got taught?
Posted by: Xtren
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Originally posted by redwench
so, youre saying that people have no criminal impulses unless someone shows them in detail how to do it? all those murderers and rapists in the middle ages got taught?
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No they haven't been taught (even though you never know). However people that commit crimes like that are usually depressed or mentally sick in some way. There are also other people who have a messed up life from their point of view and really don't care about the law and breaking rules. These people are more likely to fall under the influence of something like a video game than others. They are also more likely to do something stupid for the fun of it.
All criminals have that impulse for a reason, either because they are unhappy with the way their life is going or simply don't know any better. Other influences, such as video games can also contribute to their criminal impulse, though it really is a very rare thing.
Besides, nowhere did I say that all car theives steal cars because of GTA3, so please tell me why this arguement is even rational...
Posted by: redwench
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Originally posted by Xtren
Not really... the game would give them the idea to steal cars, as well as make the whole thing fun for them to begin with. Those same type of people wouldn't have stolen all those cars if they hadn't played the game which influenced them to do so.
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no, you didnt say all car thieves stole because of gta3. you just implied it. and gta has been around for quite a few years now, i havent heard of any upsurge in car thefts. must be a canadian thing.
Posted by: Xtren
I didn't say that GTA has contibuted to a huge upsurge in car thefts, but it still could have influenced people to steal cars...
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by Xtren
but it still could have influenced people to steal cars...
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Tissue paper can influence people to shoplift, so what's your point? 
Posted by: Xtren
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Originally posted by Canis Lupus
Tissue paper can influence people to shoplift, so what's your point?
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Well if I haven't stated my point in any of my other posts in this thread than I don't think I'll state it by repeating myself...
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by Xtren
I don't think I'll state it by repeating myself...
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That's a very good point .. keep to it
Posted by: scorpion_gold
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Originally posted by Canis Lupus
Tissue paper can influence people to shoplift, so what's your point?
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how can tissue paper influence someone to shoplift?
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by scorpion_gold
how can tissue paper influence someone to shoplift?
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You missed my point Anything can influence someone to do something if their frame of mind is already open to that possibility to begin with.
There have been hundreds and thousands of crimes committed even before Pong came out ...
It does not take a game like Vice City to lead someone into a life of crime - they should already have that mindset, whether a product of upbringing or their environment when they grew up, to steer them into the right (or wrong) direction.
In cases like these, video games - like films and television - have been treated as a scapegoat in order to ignore more blatant issues like poor parenting, poor upbringing and poor discipline. Some parents do not want to admit they are doing anything wrong in raising their children, so they blame something else - and it's easier to blame something that can't fight back And in effect, this ignorance spreads to other people...
So what does this have to do with tissue paper leading someone to shoplift? Nothing at all...
Think about it
Posted by: Xtren
Despite the upbringing being a great factor, friends and outside influences such as movies and video games might have an influence towards this kind of thing as well. A person can easily develop the mindset to do something if his other peers do so, or if it seems amusing to him. In this case the kid got a great kick out of Vice City and couldn't restrain himself from playing a real life video game as he did.
I'm still not saying that films and video games are always to blame, and they really scarcely are, but you can't say that the parents are always responsible for what the kid does. Though you can say they are always partially responsible, having only so much control over what their kid decides to do in life.
Posted by: Shalome
Weak-minded and weak-willed people always look for something on which to blame their faults.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
The fact is video games are being blamed all too easily for the shortcomings of some parents. Who else is in charge of a child's upbringing? The maid? If some people think parenting is not essential to molding a child's personality, then they should leave the breeding to people who know what parenting is all about...
It was the same way rock and roll was the devil's music in the 50s, and some parents were saying it was to blame for all the wars and crimes happening...
Posted by: Xtren
I agree with you that games are being blamed too much, but this really isn't the case in this situation. The kid himself said that GTA inspired him to do so, hence I don't think he's lying about it.
Posted by: Erekose
...the devil made me do it. xtren, him finding something to blame (in this case GTA) is just him not owning up to what he did (as i think 8 of the last 9 people posting have stated). the point is no matter how amusing the game is, or what the other people around you are doing, it is ultimately up to you how you behave. you are ultimately responsible, yes i believe that personal responsibility supercedes that of parental responsibility (but thats only becaus ethat is how my parents raised me )
Posted by: elhior_manwe
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Originally posted by Canis Lupus
.......in order to ignore more blatant issues like poor parenting, poor upbringing and poor discipline. ...
Think about it
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and some people ignore the issue of just being poor.
and whether or not gta influenced some car thefts or it was marylin manson does not matter, it is completely unprovable even if the teen says it so. we could bring in thousands of shrinks to test him and we still wouldn't know what the truth about him and his cars was. so unless we want to censor our entire lives, though obviously crime would still exists, the media and politicos should move on to the issues they can deal with. but they won't because it is much easier to blame it on video games or something just as ridiculous, so they don't need to come up with answers about there actions when it is marylin's fault, and all they will scream about is warning labels for video games to solve the problem.
Posted by: N.W.A_Kid
i agree that weak-willed and minded people tend to do this kind of stuff. a good example of that would be Ice T's "Cop Killer" song. Supposedly 2 teens were listening to it and killed people or something and that song was playing. Immediately the CD was taken off of shelves. that's completely ridiculous. Out of all the violent, mindless, video games I play and all the cop killing, women slapping, gangsta gangsta music I listen to, i have NEVER stolen anything worth more that $5, I've never hit a woman or killed someone, and I have never done anything criminal out of influce of people, games, tv, or what not. I did it because I chose to, not because something showed me or taught me.
Posted by: TotalRecall
Sister Rossetta says: "Knowledge is sin!"
Posted by: uh...ok
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Originally posted by N.W.A_Kid
Out of all the violent, mindless, video games I play and all the cop killing, women slapping, gangsta gangsta music I listen to, i have NEVER stolen anything worth more that $5,
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I know, I know, petty theft = common (sadly, too common). I know, $5 may be small change... but it's the violation of the principle that disturbs me more than anything else.
-uh...ok
Posted by: uh...ok
The lesson I learned about stealing occurred waaaaaaaaaay back when I was maybe 5 or 6. Although it wasn't really well-deserved.
In a trip to Lucky's with my mom and my sister once, as we were standing in the check-out line, I grabbed a mini-word find book that was on the rack for 99 cents. Unfortunately, I did not see the "$.99" tag on it (it didn't have a tag, it was printed on the booklet itself), and I thought it was one of those magazines that people handed out for free.
So little me is holding it and reading it while we stand in line, and we leave, and I'm still reading it as we walk out. Strangely, no one noticed.
A couple days later, I showed it to my sister, and she was like, "How did you get that?" I told her that I got it from Lucky's. She points out the 99 cents printed out on the top right corner of the front page, and little me goes, "Oh no!" Then later, she told my mom about it and my mom got really, really mad, "Where did you learn to steal!?" and I got yelled at a lot and punished in another ancient Chinese way, feeling very sorry because I didn't know it wasn't free.
Yea....
-uh...ok
Posted by: Fink
those guys are just idiots.. i played that game for like 30 hours straight and i loved stealing all the cars.. but i would be a complete moron as to go out and actually steal one and joyride around... that would get me in juV and make me have to wait until i was 21 or 25 to get my licens... and i can barely wait for 16! :-/
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