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The rebuilding of the 'Twin Towers'
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Posted by: SKYHN
Is it just me or is this whole thing getting rediculous? There are dozens and dozens of submissions of how to rebuild the twin towers. Some of them look futuristic, some look like regular buildings, but why does common sense seem to elude the people running the whole rebuilding project? Why not just rebuild the damn things the way they were before? They want to make it into a memorial as well as a commercial building. I can think of no better memorial than to have them replaced with what they were before.
Posted by: redwench
i dont really care if they get rebuilt at all, much less thier design. as far as im concerned, manhattan needs more green space, not office space.
Posted by: Erekose
yep a park is better than a skyscraper anyday
Posted by: Shalome
Why not remake them as they were before? Hmm.. well, the design was out-of-date, contributing to the collapse in the first place, and there weren't enough (or wide enough) stairwells. A more modern design is possible both in terms of construction and aesthetic.. why not build something even better?
Also, if you rebuilt them exactly the way they were, wouldn't some people eventually get the sneaking suspicion that they were trying to gloss over the fact that the whole thing ever happened? Psychologically, that can **** with slightly unbalanced people -- and New York City's full of them. 
I like the design that looks like two tic-tac-toe boards with formal gardens in the original towers' "footprints." Oh, and most of the designs incorporate green space, wench.
Posted by: SKYHN
Im not talking about rebuilding it exactly the same in every aspect, just basically the outside look of it. Internal design would obviously have to be changed.
Regardless of how they do it though, its gonna end up a series of commercial buildings.
Posted by: Shalome
Um, they were commercial buildings before. Stores and office space. Nothing more.
Posted by: SKYHN
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Originally posted by Shalome
Um, they were commercial buildings before. Stores and office space. Nothing more.
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I know that, redwench is saying they need more green space and since all the designs that have been submitted have green space, it will still have the commercial space but with green space.
Posted by: Ion Silverbolt
They should just have a gigantic pool. That way when the new building gets shot down or bombed, people can jump into the water.
Posted by: scorpion_gold
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Originally posted by Ion Silverbolt
They should just have a gigantic pool. That way when the new building gets shot down or bombed, people can jump into the water.
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... aren't you mr. optimist...
anyway, they would most likely want to rebuild the towers better, as a symbol to terrorists. i look at it as something like: you knock us down, we jump up higher.
Posted by: Spider
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Originally posted by Ion Silverbolt
They should just have a gigantic pool. That way when the new building gets shot down or bombed, people can jump into the water.
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hahahah! Great plan! And when they're not being bombed they can charge admission, it can be a Six Flags!!1 
Posted by: redwench
silly me. i didnt know urban planning was supposed to be influenced by the peoples resentment towards psychotic individuals.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by redwench
i didnt know urban planning was supposed to be influenced by the peoples resentment towards psychotic individuals.
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Ever set up a health spa in the middle of the ghetto gangland?
Posted by: Erekose
yeah they called it 'chateau hizzy'
Posted by: PMS GURL
where can u see the plans for the new towers?
Posted by: Tweaker
They should just make it a nice park and dedicate it to those who lost their lives.
Posted by: AngstMerchant
They should make a big administration building and have it be the headquarters for a federally-funded independant watchdog group that monitors the activities of groups like the CIA and the goings-on in places like the School of the Americas. That would be striking a blow for the cause of peace.
Posted by: MAJWoody
Did you know that the twin towers, when they were made, was made to withstand the impact of a boeing 707 (largest airplane at the time)
Too bad they wernt expecting a 747 Flying into it. 
Posted by: Spider
I've never heard that before. Where'd you read that at?
Posted by: Null Actor
It's common knowledge. A lot of safety engineering for buildings require things like that to be considered.
They figure the towers probably wouldn't have fallen if it wasn't for the heat of the fire inside the building from the jetfuel weakening the supports.
Posted by: Spider
That makes me giggle.
hehehehehe
Posted by: redwench
they held up for over an hour. plenty of time to get everyone out. the towers help up to thier design specs. just some damn idiotic people that didnt get the hell out of dodge. and a few that couldnt.
Posted by: Xtren
I think the new towers should have a different design than the original twin towers. Rebuilding the towers to look exactly as they used to would bring back too many bad memories... and I don't know, it seems as if it would be really hard on the families of the employees who were killed there. Plus, as Shal said earlier, the design was outdated. The buildings collapsed thanks to their build.
Posted by: redwench
um, not quite dear. modern skyscrapers are built to lower specifications, for the most part. its rather expensive to have firewall floors and some of the other design elements of the old towers. you might be able to find a large tower that could hold up to a 747 with a full fuel load flying at full speed, but happy hunting.
Posted by: Xtren
Each tower had a structure made from four huge pillars, poles, or whatever you want to call them making up the building's edges. These huge metal pillars were melted by the fire caused by the burning fuel from the planes. The suicide bombers had obviously studied the buildings' structure which is why they used a domestic flight with an engine full of fuel to crash into the buildings. The melting of the pillars of course caused the buildings to collapse.
If you look at it in a way you are right, because hell the buildings were pretty foolproof except they had this one weakness. Of course I guess the buildings were never really thoroughly examined, and certain sections could have used a little fixing up, which the people who were in charge of inspecting the buildings overlooked. Either way the flaw in the buildings could have been fixed, but then again I guess nobody would have predicted a plane flying into one of them.
So looking over my little written reconsideration of what I said yeah I was wrong... but if the towers are rebuilt I think we all would like to be ensured that the events of September 11th won't be repeated. All the necessary measures should be taken in the rebuild, otherwise it'll be hard to find people who actually feel safe working there.
Posted by: redwench
um, what do you think most buildings are made of? steel. which WILL melt at high enough temperatures. nothing to be done about that. said pillars were encased in concrete, to protect them from heat. again, not much to be done when you have tons of flaming jet fuel around. what flaw is this supposed to be?
nothing was wrong with the design. saying there was is like saying that passenger cars should be designed to be run over by tanks and bombed by aircraft. you cannot design a building over about 5 floors that doesnt use steel. if you add tons of flaming jet fuel to steel, it will melt. building will collapse. i defy you to find a building that flying a couple of large jets into wont bring down.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
mankind hasn't even found the cure for the common cold... an airplane-proof building is gonna be the least of our problems 
Might as well build a safe deposit box that can withstand a nuclear explosion... or, as the lame joke goes - since the black box doesn't get destroyed when the plane goes down, why don't they make the whole airplane out of the material they used for the black box?
Posted by: Xtren
Lol ok I'm going to shut up now. I don't think my knowledge of architecture is adept enough for me to post a valid arguement in this thread.
The black box joke was pretty cool though, I liked that one...
Posted by: Darky!
Actually, I could have sworn they’ve already determined that the buildings collapsed because of the trusts. They had little fire insulation on them, and because trusts are made of thinner steel, and they are only attached to the so called “poles”, by steal straps, well, you get the idea.
I saw it on the Discovery documentary channel a while back.
Personally, I could care less whether they rebuild them or not.
Posted by: TotalRecall
You could care less? Ok, care less.
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