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The Draft...
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Posted by: Qui Gon-Jinn
Some what of a play off of AngstMerchant's question..
If there where millitary action and you where drafted would you serve?
Posted by: SKYHN
Your option for "no" isnt exactly a fair answer. While if I was drafted, I would not serve in the military, but I would still serve my country. As Ive seen many times, if you are drafted, you have a choice of going into the military or community service/other activities(I dont remember exactly what they are).
I dont see a draft ever happening though anyways, unless something on a global scale happened, like WW2. A draft is a last resort as well, theres so many "stand by" sections in the military and with the technology we have, theres no reason to have one. About 2 days ago on CNN there was a big story about the U.S. military and enlistment is at the highest its ever been for all branches of the military.
Vietnam should have never happened and the government knows it. They wont make the same mistake twice(well maybe  ).
Posted by: redwench
yes, that no option is a bit insulting. unless youd like to change the yes option to read as follows:
yes, im a tool that wants to die futilely overseas because of a power-hungry war-mongering maniac
Posted by: Qui Gon-Jinn
Ok.. so someone who can.. because I can't... change it to read No..
Posted by: Tweaker
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Originally posted by Qui Gon-Jinn
Ok.. so someone who can.. because I can't... change it to read No..
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Taken care of.
Posted by: nocode
i guess i would have to say Maybe, leaning closer to no than yes! i am completely against the act of Violence to resolve issues, but if it was a situation where another country sent military to fight on US soil, then i guess i would be up for it! other than defending myself in my own country, i doubt i would join to fight wars that are created by the US sticking their nose where it doesn't belong!
Posted by: Gunslinger
I have mixed feelings on that issue.
While I do disagree with some of my government's foreign policy decisions, I don't personally think it suits my convictions to just bail out when the going gets tough (or undesirable). I would prefer to voice my opinion to the people who make the decisions. If they decide that the decision is still necessary, then I would probably go along with it, and do my duty as a citizen--but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
Should we ever be faced with that worst-case-scenario, then I would be disappointed. I'm in college, and will be for a while, so being removed from the passion of my life would be a huge blow--but I would live through it. As much as I don't like hearing politicians shooting off the "defending our freedoms at home and abroad" rhetoric, I do believe in it, and I don't see it as fair that someone else should go into a hostile land and fight for that cause (once again, it's rhetoric, but meaningful rhetoric...don't attack it in some attempt at a witty retort) while I stay home, or run to Canada, and whine about it. That's not a feeling I would try to convince anyone else of. It's just how I personally would feel and act.
If I ws drafted and sent oversees to fight, I would object, but I would go fight anyway. To kinda go along with nocode: If someone came to my home with a rifle, I would fight tooth and nail to defend it.
That leads to the last section of my little diatribe: While I would do anything to defend the home that I love and the people that I love should they come under attack here, consider that anyone we are assailing will be doing the exact same thing. Whether or not they may be brainwashed into following along with the whims of a megalomaniac dictator is irrelevent. Brainwashed or not, they believe that their home is being attacked, and they will defend it with whatever means and to whatever ends that they deem necessary to secure the future of their families, or to satisfy their peace of mind.
That is all.
Posted by: Spider
I would be a conscientious objector
Posted by: justinious
I'm ineligible, but I also would object.
Posted by: Xtren
I'm not eligible for the Draft so it wouldn't matter to me, but if I was drafted I'd probably say no.
Posted by: Spider
That's the whole thing about the draft, Xtren, you can't say no.
Posted by: Xtren
No was an option... so I said it...
Posted by: Spider
http://www.sss.gov/whhap.htm
specifically, http://www.sss.gov/classif.htm
Posted by: Ion Silverbolt
If I got drafted, just call me Canadian. Oh, and you bettered have a spare bedroom Nova.
The only way I would ever serve is if someone atacked us and threatened our borders. There's nothing other than material wealth to fight for overseas. That's not worth my time or my life for that matter.
Posted by: Darky!
Boy, having light athsma is great. You never have attacks, and the army can't draft you.
Posted by: Xtren
That would suck pretty hard for those who want to join the army though...
Posted by: Iownyourmom
if i was eligible i wouldnt join, draftees get the crapy GI positions, if im gonna be in a war i want to be the guy who has the high powered gun that is out of range of most the enemy
Posted by: Canis Lupus
I'll fight and die for my country, not for my president. Nuff said.
Posted by: N.W.A_Kid
While I love the U.S.A., I probably would not serve. I believe that I do live in one of the best countries in the world, but I am totally against our government and everything it stands for. I (along with every other person out there, voluntary or not) am not a tool used for power and murder. If I did choose to fight, I would fight for what our country was when it was first founded. So I guess overall, I would fight for my country, not for my president, as Canis put it.
Posted by: Bored
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I (along with every other person out there, voluntary or not) am not a tool used for power and murder.
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Yes, we are the only country that goes out of its way NOT to kill people when we fight wars. We are the ones who step in and stop tyranny and genocide when the very people we help have given up. We spend more money in foreign aid than most countries' whole GNP. We send food and clothes to the families of some of the people we were fighting against in Afghanistan. But we are murderers and power-hungry. The events in Rwanda were murder and genocide. What Al-Quaeda did was murder. What Saddam Hussien did when he invaded Kuwait and held Israel hostage with chemical weapons, that was murder.
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If I did choose to fight, I would fight for what our country was when it was first founded.
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Then you may as well join Iraq, because you would be fighting for slavery and the opression of women. You would fight for what was one of the most tyranical empires in history. America in 2003 is a vast improvement over the America of 1700s and 1800s.
Posted by: Shalome
Temper, temper.
Discuss.
No flaming.
Posted by: Xtren
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Originally posted by Bored
Yes, we are the only country that goes out of its way NOT to kill people when we fight wars.
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Not really... you have forgotten most of the UN, and Canada of course, your northern neighbours who may not have the army you have but still help in peace keeping. It would be ok to say that you are the country perhaps that most often goes out of its way not to kill people. However you can't say you're the only country.
Posted by: Phate
As Gunslinger puts it:
I Love My Country
But I Fear My Government
I'm with laggy. I'll fight for the country, not for the president.
Posted by: Erekose
i just read in the local newspaper today (was at my grandmother's house, figured what the hell everyone else reads it) that some politicians were in favor of enforcing conscription. their reasoning is that it would put everyone on even ground. according to statistics the majority of volunteers are the poor and minorities. typically white and affluent families have avoided serving. there was also talk of doing away with the college/graduate school exemption. i dont know but i think its a pretty sad thing when we require a draft. call me a drone or whathaveyou, but i think that any citizen of any country should be more than willing to serve their country. im not even talking about wartime. im not even talking about 4-6 year stints. damn, join the reserves, join the national gaurd. if we need to conscript people to go fight a war maybe we need to rethink what it is we are fighting for. maybe i was raised differently then most people, but i think everyone should serve one way or another. not necessarily military, not necessarily in a combat/combat aide sense. i know i, for one, will be joining rather shortly. hopefully in the time it takes me to get my affairs together all this bullshit with iraq/north korea/who ever else we want to pick on will get sorted out, 'cause i sure as hell don't feel like having to shoot someone right about now.
eh, forgive my incoherent and half-cocked ranting. i think im finished now, perhas i shouldve have finished before i started
Posted by: Shalome
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[B if we need to conscript people to go fight a war maybe we need to rethink what it is we are fighting for. [/B]
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And that, my friend, is the point.
Name a war since WWII where the US needed to (ABSOLUTELY NEEDED to defend borders or defineable national interests (NOT corporate wellbeing or OIL) where we got involved.
Those politicians you're reading about are a very VERY small faction )like 2 or 3 people) who are calling for reinstatement of the draft for one reason and one reason only:
If you, as a lawmaker, were required to send your children, nephews, neices, children of friends, etc. to fight and die for something... wouldn't you make damn sure you knew what you were sending those children to war for? And if you knew your child was going to be on the front lines, wouldn't you make damn sure it was for a good cause?
THAT's what those politicians are saying, and I damn well agree. If every American in power knew that his or her son or daugher or neice or nephew or neighbor could potentially lose their lives over a political conflict... would we go to war in Iraq?
If politicians knew that their sons and daughters could come back twitching and sleepless and disturbed like so many veterans of the last Iraqi war did (which the US now admits may have been our fault, for *oops* burning a chemical weapons facility upwind of 10,000 troops)... would we go to war with Iraq?
If George Bush's daughters were required to serve on the front lines of whatever war he was proposing, would we go through with it?
When real, human lives are on the line, people tend to be more careful with their politics. Unfortunately, our volunteer army (read: politically acceptable welfare state, and if you don't believe it, you haven't served lately -- a $15,000 yearly wage for an Army private with a family doesn't go far, and there are ****ing food stamps issued on base) isn't enough to concern the politicians where they sit raising their $130,000 salaries (FOR A JUNIOR FIRST TERM REP, WHETHER OR NOT THEY ACTUALLY ATTEND ANY VOTES).
**** it all, man, there is never going to be any fairness in the way wars are waged. History is always written by those who fund the victors, and the poor and uneducated who fight the battles will be lost in the name of a fading superpower struggling to keep its corporate superiority while that superpower is shipping its jobs, money, and potentially taxable corporate income overseas.
Posted by: Null Actor
Forward the empire.
Posted by: Spider
Dubya has nothing to worry about, his children are women.
Women are exempted from the draft.
Posted by: redwench
um, the congressman (senator?) that sponsored that new draft legislation is trying to make a point. hes against a war in iraq, and the draft.
Posted by: Gunslinger
It's an interesting tactic, really. By sponsoring the legislation, he's really just fuling the fire against it.
And for the record (as it was mentioned in an earlier post), the college exemption has been gone for a long time.
Posted by: Muggle_Man
I think I'll chose maybe. I'm not sure they will let me go, I have a medical foot problem. I think I would go, but only to protect my country, and it's ppl. One day America is going to be better. One day ppl like bush won't be pres. and everyone will be happy . I think "Bowling for Columbine should be a required movie for students. It's about gun control. If that day never comes, well I guess America will fall and be wiped out. I hope that doesn't happen. 
Posted by: elhior_manwe
not a chance, to kill and destroy for nothing or only so someone somewhere else can get rich. it is ludricrous that we still are fighting these useless wars. that as a race we still can't figure out and resolve our issues. that greed and imperialism are still tolerated. so they would have to come find me and put me in jail. i would not serve on any level.
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