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Avril Lavigne
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Posted by: Muggle_Man
Avril Lavigne is the best singer I've ever heard of. She's got the whole punk image down perfectly. Her song's are sad, happy, complicated,(srry about that) truthful and everything else. At the moment she is all I listen to.
She definetaly isn't a wannabe, contrary to what a lot of ppl think. And if she is, I don't care, and obviously, neither does she. When I first heard of her, I was like, "Who???" But when I heard sk8r boi for the first time, it blew me away. She is from, Canada as most ppl should know, in a small town, just like a lot of ppl are. POP. 5,000. She admits that she was, and is a tomboy and always will be a tomboy. She is an inspiration to a lot of ppl, she is only 18, which surprised me. She refused to sing the songs Arista made for her, which shocked the owners. She made all of her songs and continues to make more. Anyway, She is a great singer, a tomboy, and a skater. And if anyone hates her music, they are most likely preppys, the opposite of a punk.
Posted by: Null Actor
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Originally posted by Muggle_Man
punk image
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If that phrase was taken back 15, 20 years, it would cause some people to die of shame.
Posted by: Tecil
She's ok, but...
Click pic for full size image. 
http://home.rmci.net/compconnect/avrilthumb.jpg
Posted by: Gunslinger
Tecil is hereby penalized 10 points for posting a high res picture.
Tecil is hereby awarded 20 points for the nice picture.
Posted by: Tecil
So I still come out ahead...
I thought about thumbnailing it, but I didn't want it to loose it's glory.
Posted by: PMS GURL
she's a bitch and a loser and she needs to grow up ALOT. She thinks she can do anything anytime. Come on now, she is acting like a total pop diva but is just a plain ol' poser.
Posted by: uh...ok
I like her songs (hell I love a couple of 'em)... she looks ok... hrm, but one extra comment besides that:
She performed live on SNL the other night and she, like many artists nowadays, isn't really that great a singer. Sure she might have talent in terms of writing music (which is arguable to some people) but her talent in actual singing is, I find, rather lacking.
However, her performance was way better than Alanis Morisette's live on another NBC late night show I saw over the summer.
It really goes to show that the real talent behind "good" artists nowadays lies in the sound editors and mixers. 
On a side note, PMS can you please make your comments at least a little bit more logical than that? 
-uh...ok
Second Edit: NICE pic Tecil.
Posted by: Spider
Well, I don't really know about all that stuff in Muggle's post, except that it sounds like he has a crush on somebody. Can't blame him though, she is pretty hot. I've heard worse music, but as for the punk thing, well, I really wonder where you get your idea of punk from.
Posted by: Fred
She's a pretty good singer but not the best I've herd of. I really like Nelly Furtado, another Canadian singer. Not to say that I can identify with Nelly that much but I can't identify with Avril Lavigne at all. Plus Nelly is sexier.
http://www.shitontheradio.com/pics/...ots/nf02371.jpg
Posted by: AtariFX
Avril's not that hot!
http://atari.ath.cx/avril.htm
She's more manufactured than a Big Mac
Nelly Furtado is the shit
Posted by: Freak
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Originally posted by PMS GURL
she's a bitch and a loser and she needs to grow up ALOT. She thinks she can do anything anytime. Come on now, she is acting like a total pop diva but is just a plain ol' poser.
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Soo can you elaborate a bit?
Posted by: Gunslinger
She's about as much of a pop diva as I am.
Posted by: Gunslinger
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Originally posted by ErikC
She's more manufactured than a Big Mac
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I guess that means she's the only woman in the world who isn't deliciously sexy from the moment she rolls out of bed.
Posted by: redwench
they both need to eat a few big macs.
Posted by: Xtren
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Originally posted by uh...ok
She performed live on SNL the other night and she, like many artists nowadays, isn't really that great a singer. Sure she might have talent in terms of writing music (which is arguable to some people) but her talent in actual singing is, I find, rather lacking.
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Man I have to totally agree with you there. She's not a very good singer. Her songs are great, the way they are written and the effects and all, but just listen really closely next time a concert's live on TV or something. Her voice is kinda mediocre if you ask me.
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Originally posted by PMS GURL
she's a bitch and a loser and she needs to grow up ALOT. She thinks she can do anything anytime. Come on now, she is acting like a total pop diva but is just a plain ol' poser.
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Well that's really fair, I suppose you know her really well to be able to confirm that. Why's she acting like a pop diva anyway? Is it because she accepts her awards or something?She's good, people like her songs, and above all: if she acts like a diva than all artists do.
Posted by: Daedleus
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I guess that means she's the only woman in the world who isn't deliciously sexy from the moment she rolls out of bed.
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Touché!
Posted by: TotalRecall
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And if anyone hates her music, they are most likely preppys, the opposite of a punk.
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Muggles, you made the day. Are you a comedian?
Posted by: Shalome
Sid Vicious and Johnny Rotten are punk. GG Allen is punk. Jello Biafra is punk. People who performed at CBGB are punk.
Avril Lavigne is pure music-industry product. She isn't punk, she's pop. She is bland, innocuous, parentally-friendly radio pop drivel with a catchy beat and clothes that can be bought at just about any mall in the USA. She is the music industry's attempt to capture the dollars of the market segment who don't like Britney Spears, Shakira, and Christina Agalalalagala.
The ****ing Dead Kennedys are punk. The Sex Pistols are punk. Bikini Kill is punk. NOFX is punk.
Avril Lavigne is Britney Spears with a Hot Topic makeover.
Everyone is just so used to the image of women in music that the music industry keeps churning out, that anything remotely different stands out. She's "Hollywood" non-mainstream. See, this is the problem with 4 companies owning every media outlet in the US.. homogeneity of sound and image results in people thinking ****ing Avril Lavigne is "a punk."
Saying Avril Lavigne is punk is an insult to the word punk. My left shoe is more punk than Avril Lavigne.
Posted by: Null Actor
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Originally posted by Shalome
Christina Agalalalagala.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAH I choked laughing on that one.
Posted by: Gunslinger
I'll say again, Tecil's picture rocks. Nothing else does, except maybe Christina Agalalalagala.
Gunslinger's note: Any further attempts at bringing levity to a thread will be moderated.
Posted by: Tecil
I agree with shal 110% Give me The Pixes, Sex Pistols, NOFX any day. Hell I would even take Green Day pre Dookie.
Oh and I agree with Gunny to. 
Posted by: uh...ok
Of course, the music's still appealing in an odd sorta way.
And the pic Tecil posted.
-uh...ok
Posted by: redwench
/me admires shal's left shoe
Posted by: Shalome
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Originally posted by Muggle_Man
And if anyone hates her music, they are most likely preppys, the opposite of a punk.
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I hate her music, her image, and just about everything she represents about America. Call me a preppy and I'll puke on your shoes, punk-rock style.
Posted by: Gunslinger
Awww. But it's a damn cold night.
*sniff*
Where's my jacket?
Posted by: uh...ok
Under Shal's left shoe.
-uh...ok
(BTW as I'm typing this up, Winamp's playing "I'm With You" )
Posted by: Spider
By whom?
Posted by: Gunslinger
April Lavine
Posted by: Erekose
www.nothingnice.com "The world's FIRST online punk comic"
its where i got my 'punk starter kit' (as i like to call it). he put up a couple of compilation cd's (i have the first two if youre interested. i do believe there was a third, but i couldnt get it) he made of bands he thinks people might like. i admit, i do like them, and before hand my only exposure to 'punk' was mtv. :shudder:
oh and gawd damnit if i cant find a friggin Jets to Brazil cd i swear im gonna burn down every record store i see. all i want is the one damn song my good ol' buddy Mitch put up
Posted by: Erekose
"Christina Agalalalagala"
heh, reminds me of that movie 'Big Man on Campus'. Bob Maloogaloogaloogaloogalooga
Posted by: Fred
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Originally posted by Shalome
Avril Lavigne is Britney Spears with a Hot Topic makeover.
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Nice one
Posted by: N.W.A_Kid
Who's Avril Lavigne? Just kidding
I like Avril. I agree that she is definately not punk. I'm more punk than she is and I walk around with just about ever black label clothing you can think of
I used to like NOFX, and Avril is definately better than Britney Spears or any other poppy chick anyday.
Posted by: Nfested
Avril's a fake. She complains about fake people in her songs but she's a fake herself. Just listen to her sing. She's tone deaf or something. I heard her sing on the billboard music awards on TV and it was awful. Her looks are the only thing she's got.
Posted by: Tecil
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Her looks are the only thing she's got.
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DING DING DING!!!!
We got a winnder!!!
Here is your prize...
http://home.rmci.net/compconnect/chewbacca.jpg
Posted by: uh...ok
What happened to the goofy money?!
I want a refund.
-uh...ok
Posted by: Qui Gon-Jinn
Avril Lavigne..
She is far from punk.. as Shal pointed out.. as for Shal's left shoe.. I'll take your word for it..
As for her music.. personally..I like it.. I listen to it in my truck.. would I buy her CD.. NOPE.. I tend not to buy much of any CD/DVD/VHS stuff.. I have the a good collection of what I like.. if I want it.. I wait till I can borrow it or rent it..
As for her image.. she is what you want to see in her.. I see a young woman who can sing.. Nelly F... however you spell it is great to..
as for her looks.. I gotta agree with Muggle_Man she is definate wallpaper material..
Like her.. hate her.. prefer your left shoe to her... she is out doing what she wants.. great.. maybe she will replace Britney and her Clones.. GOD WE CAN ONLY HOPE..
Posted by: Xtren
Avril Lavigne will never be anything like Britney or Christina... she's never going to look like them, and she presents herself with a different type of image. No Avril isn't punk, wearing baggy pants doesn't make you that. Her songs are great and they aren't in the least bit offensive, which again, doesn't make her punk.
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Originally posted by Nfested
Avril's a fake. She complains about fake people in her songs but she's a fake herself. Just listen to her sing. She's tone deaf or something. I heard her sing on the billboard music awards on TV and it was awful. Her looks are the only thing she's got.
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Avril isn't a great singer, as was said before, but really her songs are written very well. They're very catchy if you listen to them. I don't know if her looks are all she's got either... she isn't that hot... I mean she's considerably short, and she's deffinitely not in the same vicinity as Britney.
Posted by: Cheese
why are the Ramones no where to be found in a punk discussion?
Posted by: Xtren
Does anybody know who the Ramones are?
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by Xtren
Does anybody know who the Ramones are?
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Are you serious?
Posted by: Xtren
Yeah, I've got no clue who they are... at least if they're involved with music I've never heard of them.
Posted by: Tecil
Bahh
Musically challenged people...
Posted by: Xtren
Ok so I looked them up, I see that they are a rock band indeed. They were probably popular before my time though (their first album was in 1976 and their last in 1995, I wouldn't have been listening to "The Ramones" in second grade)... that's why I wouldn't know who they are
Posted by: redwench
doesnt .......know.......the......Ramones.........
/me faints
Posted by: Xtren
...shut up... I had a kid in my class last year who didn't know who Elvis Presley was... I'm not that musically challenged.
Posted by: nocode
http://www.rockometer.com/ramones/rambig.gif
This is Punk!
Posted by: Shalome
Patience, young Jedi. All will become clear, in time...
The Ramones are great, and influenced a ton of music that's out there today... even if you do apparently have to be an old fogey to know who they are anymore..
Posted by: Gunslinger
I wanna be sedated.
Someone, please, before the thread eats my brain.
Posted by: AK47
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Originally posted by Xtren
...shut up... I had a kid in my class last year who didn't know who Elvis Presley was...
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now.. by 'a kid in my class'.. do you mean you? 
Posted by: Shalome
Come one, now, people, you're not born with innate musical knowledge. Even AK47, at some point in his life, had to learn who Jim Morrison was.
Xtren...
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They were probably popular before my time though (their first album was in 1976 and their last in 1995, I wouldn't have been listening to "The Ramones" in second grade)... that's why I wouldn't know who they are
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By that argument, I'd have no idea who The Doors, Bob Dylan, The Rolling Stones, or Led Zepplin were, since my age would have been in negative digits when they came out...
Posted by: Erekose
Ah, but Shalome, he said that he wouldn't know who they were. We all know you (and your shoe) would know Dylan, Doors, Zepplin, and the Stones. Then again, Xtren might even know who they are. Believe it or not, not everyone is going to know who the Ramones are. Punk music isn't mainstream. In fact, unless I'm grossly mistaken, the Ramones would be highly offended to be referred to as 'mainstream'
Posted by: Gunslinger
They would certainly want to be sedated, should they hear someone refer to them as mainstream.
Posted by: Shalome
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Originally posted by Erekose
Ah, but Shalome, he said that he wouldn't know who they were. We all know you (and your shoe) would know Dylan, Doors, Zepplin, and the Stones. Then again, Xtren might even know who they are. Believe it or not, not everyone is going to know who the Ramones are. Punk music isn't mainstream. In fact, unless I'm grossly mistaken, the Ramones would be highly offended to be referred to as 'mainstream'
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That was kinda my point, Erek... I was trying to say "hey guys, lay off... everyone learns their musical knowledge from somewhere.." (But I was also saying that the "bah, their albums came out before my time" was not a valid argument for not knowing who a musician was.)
Posted by: Erekose
i'm just trying to get you to bite me 
Posted by: Null Actor
I'm glad that to me, 99.9% of music created before I was born sucks.
Makes life easy when people try and get you to listen to old stuff. Oh, and the ramones suck as well.
Posted by: redwench
no one said they didnt. but to not have heard of them......
/me faints again
Posted by: AK47
Shhh... Null Actor is cool
Posted by: Erekose
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...still can't get that damned page to load
Posted by: uh...ok
If I had to choose between listening to any random Avril song or any random Nelly Furtado song, I'd pick the former...
But then again that comment, like this thread, is becoming more and more of a personal opinion and taste toward music than anything else (but then again that's what this thread was started for, eh? ).
-uh...ok
Posted by: Pepsi-Man[OTS]
i totally agree with muggle avril is the sh*t. if i was to do like the whole star date thing it would be with her. shes my favorite singer and i would go with her. she writes all her own songs and performs them very well and she beautiful and she isnt a poser in anyway if u read her autos or actually knew something about her ud know that. a poser takes what people write for them and lives for the fame and all that bs. she writes all her songs off her own experiences and she uses her fame and money to help less fortunate and if u call that poser u have severe problems.
Posted by: Heathen
ARGH!!!
She's another pop-product. I agree with Shal ... Sex Pistols et all are punk.... shes a rough looking B.Spears.
Posted by: Pepsi-Man[OTS]
lol after the fact of my last post im watching trl and the teen idols judges are there judging the next teen idol and they piked their favorites teen idols for the top 10 and she was on it lol above all the other people that have been said so far.
Posted by: NightMage
I don't think Avril fits the requirements for true punk/skater punk. OffSpring and Pennywise now they are true skater punk bands. As for punk go Billy Idol lol
Posted by: 9:35
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And I'm sure you are good looking ALL THE TIME, no matter if its morning and you just woke up, no matter what the lighting was, or what cosmetic shit you had available to you.
NELLY IS ALWAYS GOOD LOOKING AND DOES NOT NEED TO USE MAKEUP BECAUSE NO ONE HAS A DOCUMENTED BAD PICTURE OF HER. THE MAXIM MAKEUP ARTISTS WERE NOT ON SCENE FOR THE PHOTOSHOOT THANKYOU~
Jesus. Everyone has their low points.
Posted by: Pepsi-Man[OTS]
offspring and pennywise sk8ter? omg man u to old to judge skater nightmage... or something to that effect there are great bands but sk8ter omg.... and for the pic on the last post i dont know who posted it but thats not avril lol... or if it is why dont u try a decent one hehe anyone looks like sh*t when u try and make them with a sh*tty pic...
Posted by: NightMage
what would you class them as? cos for as long as I have known of the bands they have been classed as skater punk, offspring weren't originally skater but Americana was classed as a skate punk album
Posted by: Erekose
yeah, that was avril. it was from a show on mtv. they followed her around and such. i dont see what the problem was. it was 0230, she had been up for a few days, etc etc. hell everyone looks like that after a few days without sleep.
Posted by: Heathen
PUNK = Sex Pistols, Ramones
Not Avril Whatsherface. I mean can anyone imagine Joey Rammone singing "Complicated"??
Really???
Posted by: Erekose
just for clarification, would someone care to explain just what is 'punk'? heh no offense to any one intended, but ramones = punk is not an explanation of punk
Posted by: Gunslinger
You just need to be sedated.
Posted by: Heathen
Posted by: redwench
if anyone gets sedated here, it will be me.
Posted by: Freak
If Avril was punk then Nsync are thrash. dude. It doesn't even sound like punk, its pop with guitars that have a heavier-than-usual-distortion on.
And if you listen to more Avril, there is NO way the rest of her non-hits are punk. ITS POP! Not to say Pop and Avril are evil, its just nausating to see someone classify them as skater punk heh.
Posted by: Erekose
so, i ask again, what is 'punk'. not who, mind you, but what. like what would make some thing 'skaterpunk' as opposed to say 'broccolipunk'?
Posted by: Canis Lupus
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=punk
Some of the latter descriptions are disturbing, lol ...
Posted by: AtariFX
Anyone consider Nirvana punk? Does Avril think she's punk? I was one of those kids in highschool who wore the ripped cardigan sweater everyday. I enjoy pre-Dookie Greenday myself. It's Ramones'ish' to a point of where they just use the same guitar chords over and over and a lot of it sounds the same. Both have an attitude that stands out too.
Posted by: Tecil
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Anyone consider Nirvana punk?
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Umm no....
Nirvana was considered "Grunge Rock" at the time, but their new classification is more along the lines of "Alternative Rock".
Posted by: Erekose
aye laggy, i did that before i asked still doesnt say what is 'punk' and what isnt though, unless you mean the part about the little boy
perhaps i asked the wrong question. perhaps waht i meant to say was 'what is punk to you'. maybe it would help if i say what i think it is. from what ive gathered its mainly about fighting conformity. yep, see what i mean. i dont know squat. thats why i asked
Posted by: nocode
History of Punk:
maybe this will help.
Posted by: Xtren
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Originally posted by AK47
now.. by 'a kid in my class'.. do you mean you?
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Haha haha haha so funny NO IT WASN'T ME
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Originally posted by Erekose
Ah, but Shalome, he said that he wouldn't know who they were. We all know you (and your shoe) would know Dylan, Doors, Zepplin, and the Stones. Then again, Xtren might even know who they are.
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No that's not the case either... I'm pretty well aware of who they are. Unfortunately I have never heard the Ramones before, not a single song.
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Anyone consider Nirvana punk?
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Why would Nirvana be punk anyway? They clearly didn't present a punk image. Their songs were great, but clearly more along the lines of grunge (like Tecil said) rather than punk. Didn't their lead commit suicide though? I've seen some of their videos on TV not too long ago and I'm confused (I realize they have a new lead but I never heard about it so I was just wondering when a song of theirs came up).
Posted by: Tecil
Nirvana is dead and gone. Kurt Cobain commited suicide back in 94. The band split and went on to do their own projects. Dave Grohl (drummer) is now lead singer of the Foo Fighters.
The new stuff you heard was an unreleased track was one of many that Cobain's wife Courtney Love has been hoarding.
Supposedly there is a boxed set comming out sometime this year with a bunch of unreleased tracks on it.
Posted by: Xtren
Oh ok thanks. That explains a lot. I never heard the story behind their "new" songs and I was wondering what had happened after all these years since Kurt Cobain had killed himself.
Posted by: AtariFX
Ahhhhhhh!!! wrong pic!!! Delete that last reply if you can!!!
Admin's Note: (1) You can edit a post and change the attachment. (2) You have already shown this pic ... no need to show it again.
Attachment removed.
Posted by: Cheese
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Originally posted by Xtren
No that's not the case either... I'm pretty well aware of who they are. Unfortunately I have never heard the Ramones before, not a single song.
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Ever played Tony Hawk 3? Blitzkrieg Bop cycled through the playlist quite often from my recollectoin.
Posted by: AtariFX
I have not shown that pic. The link dosen't work!
Posted by: Outlaw
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Originally posted by Tecil
The new stuff you heard was an unreleased track was one of many that Cobain's wife Courtney Love has been hoarding.
Supposedly there is a boxed set comming out sometime this year with a bunch of unreleased tracks on it.
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Hah! Just like how Tupac's stuff keeps coming out, but he does it better. Posthumous album nr. 8, 9 and (maybe) 10 coming this year. And of course his new biography that he tells in his own words, and more (yes wench, I'm obsessed)
Posted by: AK47
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Originally posted by Tecil
Dave Grohl (drummer) is now lead singer of the Foo Fighters.
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He's also a drumming whore
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So, Tupac is alive?
Posted by: nocode
yeah........he did most of the drumming on the new Queens Of The Stone Age album..........Songs For The Deaf.
Posted by: Spider
Which by the way rocks. (Though I thought he did all the drumwork for that band.)
Posted by: AK47
Also drums on the Tenacious D song 'Rock your socks off"
Tenacious D kicks ass.
Posted by: nocode
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Originally posted by Spider
Which by the way rocks. (Though I thought he did all the drumwork for that band.)
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i knew that i had read something like this somewhere................
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Dave Grohl (Foo Fighters, Nirvana) joined QOTSA on the road in 2002 for a small club tour in North America and some festival and club shows in Europe and Japan. He also played drums on all but one of the songs on Songs for the Deaf (2002).
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Here's the QOTSA FAQ, where i found this little tidbit.
i acutally thought he did every track but 2 on songs for the deaf, but this proves me wrong. i can't find any info. on the damn cd booklet!
Posted by: N.W.A_Kid
I know who the Ramones are!!!
But, I don' t want to be sedated.
I'll probably get a lot of opinions on this one, but I consider the Suicide Machines punk/ska. I like them. I would consider Operation Ivy and Rancid (same band diff name for those who don't know) punk. Ummm...1039 and Kerplunk by Green Day, SR-71, the old old Blink182 stuff before the days of their sellout album, Enema of the State (if that's the one I'm thinking of with What's My Age Again on it), NOFX I would think is considered punk, but I could be wrong. How about the Dropkick Murpheys? Black Flag? MXPX? Sex Pistols definately. Bad Religion? (taking a guess on that one, I don't listen to em, just know of em) I like all kinds of music, just going out on a limb with punk.
edit: Oh! And don't forget the first few Vandals albums!!!
Posted by: Pepsi-Man[OTS]
hey muggle get this. i just got tickets to see avril in concert may 1st at the la convention center. and the best part is there floor seats. i got the best seats in the house lol. that just made my whole day.
Posted by: Muggs
i only read the first few pages here and i confirmed something funny. How come whenever guys say some chick is hot they start pointing out every flaw and get real mad and shit? But if they say some dude is hot its ok.
Posted by: AK47
What the hell?
Posted by: nocode
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Originally posted by Muggs
i only read the first few pages here and i confirmed something funny. How come whenever guys say some chick is hot they start pointing out every flaw and get real mad and shit? But if they say some dude is hot its ok.
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when he said (they), he means women.
oh.........and i haven't figured that one out yet!
Posted by: Xtren
no comprendo, but I don't think anybody said any "dude" is hot to begin with...
Posted by: uh...ok
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Originally posted by Pepsi-Man[OTS]
hey muggle get this. i just got tickets to see avril in concert may 1st at the la convention center. and the best part is there floor seats. i got the best seats in the house lol. that just made my whole day.
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Hey Pepsi, get this... Avril doesn't sound too great live.
-uh...ok
Posted by: Erekose
pshaw who said he would be listening?
Posted by: AngstMerchant
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Originally posted by Muggs
i only read the first few pages here and i confirmed something funny. How come whenever guys say some chick is hot they start pointing out every flaw and get real mad and shit? But if they say some dude is hot its ok.
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Not true. Here is a perfect example of guys giving props to a woman who deserves it and the women staying out of it because, well, she's is a woman who deserves it. In contrast, you will see a great deal of harsh criticism when the object of praise is a busted-ass pop-tart. Mark my words: as soon as Avril Lavigne starts to show any signs of aging, she'll have less of a future than Robert Blake.
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