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Columbia shuttle breaks up over Texas

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Posted by: Digitalphatman

As i sit here in a bit of a haze from last night, i have jsut heard that the Space Shuttle Comlumbia has jus broken up somewhere over texas.

This is a very sad day not only for Nasa but science and space in general.


THe question remains, if they find something majorly wrong with it, will they ground the other shuttles. THese craft were not meant to be around this long and are being asked to do alot.



Posted by: nocode

Very sad day indeed!

Here's a link of this News



Posted by: MAJWoody

yes, i found out when i got to work, god bless them all and thier families.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/...mbia/index.html



Posted by: MAJWoody

im in dallas i can attest it.....

it happened



Posted by: MAJWoody

they say they already found the debris field..........



Posted by: Azgard

Sad day today.



Posted by: MAJWoody

ya know, this happens every time we think about snding a teacher to space..........

they were thinking about starting that up soon again...........



Posted by: Cinderno4

this is a tragic setback for space exploration. when this happens, our space program always gets slapped across the face and hurt badly. that is the last thing we need right now, with overpopulation soon to crowd ourselves out. i hope no more immediate deaths, let alone potential thousands or millions that could die in the far future, result from this. as every set back a space program is a setback to all of humanity.



Posted by: taco_fox

I was hoping this thread wasn't real. I'm pretty sad now, since I was always a strong believer in the space program.

I don't really know what to say..



Posted by: LT

The families of those who are gone as well as those who supported their efforts and courage certainly have my respect mingled with sadness at this loss.

It is a hard shock for us as individuals to deal with this loss for the achievements of those involved are also wrapped in our national pride. Their efforts have brought great positive responses from us within our boundaries. It is one of the subjects that most Americans can meet and talk about, even as strangers. Our common knowledge and joy in the achievement of our space program is deepened by the constant knowledge of the dangers attached to any great endeavor.

I find no other way to express my condolences on this loss.



Posted by: Gunslinger

Nobody ever likes to see these things happen, but, the program will not be grounded for a couple reasons. One, there are still people on the space station that need to come home at some point. Secondly, they just won't do the same thing they did after challenger. Accidents happen in the name of science and advancement. But, the research must go on. It would be foolish to stop now.



Posted by: Null Actor

Quote:

Originally posted by Cinderno4
when this happens, our space program always gets slapped across the face and hurt badly.


I think one occurance isn't quite enough to predict a trend.



Posted by: the kid

Where were you when the Challenger destroyed in the 80's?



Posted by: redwench

most people here werent alive or were in diapers. so its a bit of an odd question.

at any rate, mishaps happen, as gun said. you really dont get major advances without them. these things are unfortunate, but the astronauts knew the risks involved, and accepted them.



Posted by: Digitalphatman

Well i think this just underscores the need of more funding for the space program. I realize that point is probably beaten to death.

While today may just be an accident, I just feel that they need to replace the current fleet of spacecraft. The ones flying now are old and need to be replaced. They are beyond there service lifetime.



Posted by: Gunslinger

Given current circumstances, I don't think we're going to see any sweeping increases in space program funding.



Posted by: Null Actor

Quote:

Originally posted by the kid
Where were you when the Challenger destroyed in the 80's?


I watched it live on TV.



Posted by: SKYHN

Well it wasnt the fault of the shuttle. Some debris hit the left wing when they were 39 miles up in the air, which caused it to break apart instantly. Dont really know what the hell debris is doing 39 miles up in the air. Guess they just had some bad luck.



Posted by: the kid

Quote:

Originally posted by Null Actor
I watched it live on TV.


So then it would be the second occurence.



Posted by: Spider

This would be the third accident in the history of NASA where people died. But there was only the single occurence where they were set back because of it.



Posted by: nocode

Quote:

Originally posted by SKYHN
Well it wasnt the fault of the shuttle. Some debris hit the left wing when they were 39 miles up in the air, which caused it to break apart instantly. Dont really know what the hell debris is doing 39 miles up in the air. Guess they just had some bad luck.


i think This is what you are talking about. it was on the way up that debris hit the left wing. here's part of what it says about it from the link i provided...........
Quote:

Investigators trying to figure out what destroyed space shuttle Columbia immediately focused on the left wing and the possibility that its thermal tiles were damaged far more seriously than NASA realized by a piece of debris during liftoff.
Just a little over a minute into Columbia's launch Jan. 16, a chunk of insulating foam peeled away from the external fuel tank and smacked into the ship's left wing.


i guess the question in most people's minds will be why NASA did not look further into the possible damage that happened on the way up.



Posted by: Canis Lupus

An excerpt of this:
Quote:

As these development activities were taking place, tragedy struck the Apollo program. On 27 January 1967, Apollo-Saturn (AS) 204, scheduled to be the first spaceflight with astronauts aboard the capsule, was on the launch pad at Kennedy Space Center, Florida, moving through simulation tests. The three astronauts to fly on this mission--"Gus" Grissom, Edward White, and Roger B. Chaffee--were aboard running through a mock launch sequence. At 6:31 p.m., after several hours of work, a fire broke out in the spacecraft and the pure oxygen atmosphere intended for the flight helped it burn with intensity. In a flash, flames engulfed the capsule and the astronauts died of asphyxiation. It took the ground crew five minutes to open the hatch. When they did so they found three bodies. Although three other astronauts had been killed before this time--all in plane crashes--these were the first deaths directly attributable to the U.S. space program.

Shock gripped NASA and the nation during the days that followed. James Webb, NASA Administrator, told the media at the time, "We've always known that something like this was going to happen soon or later. . . . who would have thought that the first tragedy would be on the ground?" As the nation mourned, Webb went to President Lyndon Johnson and asked that NASA be allowed to handle the accident investigation and direct the recovery from the accident. He promised to be truthful in assessing blame and pledged to assign it to himself and NASA management as appropriate. The day after the fire NASA appointed an eight member investigation board, chaired by longtime NASA official and director of the Langley Research Center, Floyd L. Thompson. It set out to discover the details of the tragedy: what happened, why it happened, could it happen again, what was at fault, and how could NASA recover? The members of the board learned that the fire had been caused by a short circuit in the electrical system that ignited combustible materials in the spacecraft fed by the oxygen atmosphere. They also found that it could have been prevented and called for several modifications to the spacecraft, including a move to a less oxygen-rich environment. Changes to the capsule followed quickly, and within a little more than a year it was ready for flight.

Webb reported these findings to various Congressional committees and took a personal grilling at every meeting. His answers were sometimes evasive and always defensive. The New York Times, which was usually critical of Webb, had a field day with this situation and said that NASA stood for "Never a Straight Answer." While the ordeal was personally taxing, whether by happenstance or design Webb deflected much of the backlash over the fire from both NASA as an agency and from the Johnson administration. While he was personally tarred with the disaster, the space agency's image and popular support was largely undamaged. Webb himself never recovered from the stigma of the fire, and when he left NASA in October 1968, even as Apollo was nearing a successful completion, few mourned his departure.


Yeah, and we landed on the moon two years later (unless of course you're one of those conspiracy theorists who don't believe that, hehe)... I don't call that as a searing setback because of the casualties ... the space program is like the army - the astronauts know what they were getting into, and they are prepared for the worst.

It's a tragic loss of life, but I don't believe it would even begin to make a dent into the space program.

The only thing that would destroy the space program, short of tactical nukes all over the space fields along the US, is the public's lack of interest ... this is what slowed down the space program after Apollo 11 - the people got sick of seeing astronauts walk on the moon or do space walks...



Posted by: Tweaker

'Aerodynamics May Explain Space Shuttle Breakup'



Posted by: SKYHN

Well once again CNN doesnt have their story straight. What I posted before was what I heard on CNN for 15 mins.

For a while I thought nothing was wrong, becuase they kept showing video of a shuttle landing over and over, and I was thinking "What is all the fuss about if it landed?".



Posted by: Null Actor

Quote:

Originally posted by the kid
So then it would be the second occurence.


No! You don't say!



Posted by: Gunslinger

I had not yet reached my 4rd year, but I remember the fuss about it. My parents said I was watching it on television as it happened, but I don't remember actually seeing it.



Posted by: NightMage

I'm actually not surprised considering that lately everytime they've gone to launch the Columbia they have found some last minute fault. Same with the other Shuttles. I say go build some new ones and sell the old ones to the Russians so they can study the design and build their own to bring back their Cosmonauts safely.



Posted by: redwench

last minute problems at launch are common for all types of rockets. nothing odd there. but the shuttles are old, its time to retire them.



Posted by: MAJWoody

i watched it on the tv in my 6th grade biology class



Posted by: Digitalphatman

Quote:

Originally posted by redwench
last minute problems at launch are common for all types of rockets. nothing odd there. but the shuttles are old, its time to retire them.



Indeed, the technology is form the 60' and 70's.

While it is not nescarily bad , we have alot better technology now. We need to work on that.

One more thing about this. WHo cares if they are thinking that this God takeing his vengance out on us. Its not worth wanting to kill them for, they can't help it they are brainwashed.



Posted by: Null Actor

This just in: The cracks in the wing were visible from the space station before the shuttle left.

http://www.globeandmail.com/

IMO, this means the astronauts could have lived. They could have sent up another shuttle to get them and bring them back, and they could have ditched Columbia or had it burn up over the ocean safely with no one on board.



Posted by: redwench

um, nova, nothing at that site says that.



Posted by: Null Actor

Quote:

Originally posted by redwench
um, nova, nothing at that site says that.


Blah, they took the picture down. I couldn't find a direct link at the time since they had it on the front page. Not sure what they did with it.



Posted by: Digitalphatman

Quote:

Originally posted by Null Actor
This just in: The cracks in the wing were visible from the space station before the shuttle left.

http://www.globeandmail.com/

IMO, this means the astronauts could have lived. They could have sent up another shuttle to get them and bring them back, and they could have ditched Columbia or had it burn up over the ocean safely with no one on board.


I have to agree with you on this one. I think Nasa dropped the ball here. So far all the information that I have seen indicated a problem with the left wing, which is hte same one the foam hit. I was reading on CNN(I think) that the foam could have damaged the landing gear door, which is a weakspot for the shuttle. Hearing this makes me think Nasa could have...no should have done more.


The foam that feel off probably did alot more damdage then they are willing to admit, which is unfortuante. I at least wish the crew would have done a space walk to inpsect the damage. Maybe this tragedy could have been averted. I would feel better knowing there was not much more we coulda done.



Posted by: Spider

Anyone interested in beating a dead horse a few times, click here.



Posted by: MAJWoody

Hers some pics of piecs that was found it the DFW area...

Theyll be more coming.........



Posted by: MAJWoody

And another............



Posted by: MAJWoody

and another...........



Posted by: MAJWoody

4th in line............



Posted by: redwench

this is getting a tad bit macabre.



Posted by: MAJWoody

hey, i got off of work yesterday because of that, and went over to a friends house that had a 5lb piece fall into his back yard.

Standing there, looking at that piece, made a tear come to my eye.

Kinda makes you remember how fragile we are and all the things we do that would kill us normally in a second..........

It was really hard to see......



 
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