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Is Gamecube "Kiddie"?
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Posted by: SKYHN
Ive been seeing more and more hate towards gamecube lately(more than before) that its "kiddie". I really dont understand the whole "Gamecube is kiddie" thing. It has a varriety of games ranging from all audiences to mature, as do the other systems. Xbox has an Olsen Twins game, does that make it kiddie? PS2 has Britney's Dance Beat, does that make it kiddie? I think not. Sure they have a larger variety of mature games, look at Mario Sunshine. That game is lots of fun. Wind Waker, that game is fun too.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Silly rabbit, gamecube's for kids!
Seriously, Gamecube seems to have MORE games aimed at the "lower age levels" than the other consoles, thus earning it the "kiddie" monicker ... this is where Nintendo got popular, with their kiddie game franchises... it doesn't matter if they also have games geared at "adults", the fact that they have more kiddie games than other systems is what affects their rep ... and "fun" has nothing to do with it, it's the content level ... show me a Mario game with blood and violence in it, and I'll eat my PS2 controller (well, not really, but show me one anyway)...
Not that I really care, I don't particularly like Gamecube games anyway 
Posted by: Digitalphatman
I have to agree with canis here. I have a GC and love it but the games are geared towards litle kids. There are some many good games, but sheesh there are many games that are very kid oriented which is very frustrating.
Posted by: AltronHGX
What most people forget is these "kid" games are incredibly fun.
Posted by: uh...ok
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Originally posted by Canis Lupus
show me a Mario game with blood and violence in it, and I'll eat my PS2 controller (well, not really, but show me one anyway)...
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Damn, you should eat it anyway!
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by AltronHGX
What most people forget is these "kid" games are incredibly fun.
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"Fun" is irrelevant ... the issue is whether or not gamecube games are geared more towards kids than adults in terms of content, and it's so obvious that it is the former... and that's what I voted for in the poll ... whether kiddie games are fun or not is a whole different poll...
Posted by: uh...ok
I think Altron was just adding it as a side comment rather than something towards the debate... at least that's how I read it: that in the midst of the view that such games are "kiddie", people often overlook or forget the fact that the games are still tons of fun.
Posted by: Null Actor
People like to act like a game that isn't centered around blood and killing isn't 'mature' enough for them. In reality, they are just trying to be elitist. It doesn't matter if the games don't have mature content, they can still be fun and engrossing.
And really, most games aren't truly mature anyway; people tend to mistakenly believe that violence makes something mature, when it has more to do with the actual content of the game. People also seem to think that a game not looking realistic makes it a kid's game, and that couldn't be further from the truth either.
So really, all it comes down to is that people are stupid. Hating a game because it doesn't fit the PG-13 rated action flick stereotype is retarded. Let them hate it. Let them deride it with thoughtless comments like calling it a kiddie system. In the end, they just miss out on a lot of quality games.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Whether or not "kiddie" games are "fun" is a whole new discussion, since "fun" is such a subjective thing...
Posted by: Null Actor
*shrug*
Gameplay is gameplay. What it comes down to is either kids who want to act like they aren't kids, by attempting to forsake things seen as childish, or adults who are afraid to go back to things they used to like.
If you made two games, and the only differences were that one was realistic and had blood, profanity in the dialogue, and the other was cartoony and avoided the swearing, the same potential for enjoyment would exist in both games; the only difference would be how people color their perceptions of the games based on their own personal biases.
So all I'm saying is to let go of your biases, since in the end they just interrupt your ability to enjoy things.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by Null Actor
So all I'm saying is to let go of your biases.
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Hehe, might as well wish for peace on earth
Posted by: N.W.A_Kid
IMO Gamecube is mostly aimed at lower age audiences, but some older people will play games like Mario Sunshine, Zelda, etc. My cousin is 16, and he's a big Resident Evil freak like me, but he loves games like Mario Sunshine, Super Smash Bros. Melee, but for me that's not my thing. Really all ages can enjoy it, but some people are evil. I finally put my differences aside w/the Gamecube, those who are dumb enough to believe it is only for kids should too.
Posted by: Daniel
I think that some of the games ninty are releasing are trying to apeal to the kiddie market, but the console on the whole is far from kiddie,, take games like Eternal Darkness and ResEvil to prove that.
UPDATE: looking at the poll results, it's fairly even at the moment, but maybe that's just the split between cube and no-cube owners (i.e. the cube owners know full well it's not kiddie where as the non-cube owners might have that opinion of it) - but thats just a guess.
Posted by: uh...ok
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Originally posted by Daniel
UPDATE: looking at the poll results, it's fairly even at the moment, but maybe that's just the split between cube and no-cube owners (i.e. the cube owners know full well it's not kiddie where as the non-cube owners might have that opinion of it) - but thats just a guess.
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I don't think that's anywhere near an accurate presumption. I mean, in this thread alone, we've already seen one GC owner (digitalphatman) explicitly say that he voted yes, even though he owns a GC, for the reasons stated above by others.
Though your perception might change depending on whether or not you own the system, I don't think it's really as important as, as Nova stated, your personal biases and how you deal with them.
If this poll was changed to "Does 'kiddie' mean unfun or something you wouldn't want to play?" the results would probably be the same (well except for any added psychological factors).
Posted by: AK47
This whole poll all depends on what 'kiddie' means.
Are sports and racing games considered 'kiddie'? Because back on my Snes, thats all I played. I was a kid and I enjoyed them. The PS2 and Xbox both have more sports games than the Gamecube. Therefore, by my definition, the Xbox and PS2 are more child oriented game systems than the Gamecube.
I think the bottom line is 'who cares?'. Classifying games as kiddie or adult is a waste of time.
Null is right... gameplay is gameplay. In the end, its all just pushing buttons on a controller.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
I say again, fun is a subjective thing ... everyone has biases, even if they refuse to admit it...
Posted by: AK47
I never mentioned the so called fun factor
Posted by: Gunslinger
Don't think you can continue to say that fun is irrelevant to the discussion....well, say it, and be correct, that is.
What's the point of addressing the system or a game as kiddie without actually addressing the effect that such a status has?
That's right, kids. No point whatsoever.
If you want to assign the Gamecube that moniker, then you should also tell us what effect it has. Tell us if such a moniker effects your opinion of the system, and why it does so. Without this crucial piece of information, the thread is nothing.
Here, I'll start: I think the Gamcube has a lot of games that are targetted at children. Oh well. Nintendo is doing good business and making sure that they account for a multitude of target audiences. There are more target audiences than just children--and adults continually play the games (and have fun) that are [seemingly] intended for children.
In closing, one could change the poll to 'Is Gamecube Fun' or 'Is Gamecube Diverse'. I think yes on both counts. My vote on this thread: No.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by Canis Lupus
Gamecube seems to have MORE games aimed at the "lower age levels" than the other consoles, thus earning it the "kiddie" monicker ... this is where Nintendo got popular, with their kiddie game franchises... it doesn't matter if they also have games geared at "adults", the fact that they have more kiddie games than other systems is what affects their rep ...
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I think the Gamcube has a lot of games that are targetted at children. Oh well. Nintendo is doing good business and making sure that they account for a multitude of target audiences. There are more target audiences than just children--and adults continually play the games (and have fun) that are [seemingly] intended for children.
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See, you even agree with me that Gamecube releases more games that are targetted at children ... it's their bread and butter, it's how they built their empire.
I'm talking about content level here. Blood and violence is just the tip of the iceberg. If you disagree with ESRB ratings, then that's yet another new discussion.
I'm also talking about preference. How relevant can "fun" be if what is fun for you is not fun for me? Tomayto, tomahto. Does that make either of our opinions wrong, or relevant? Does that make our biases consequential to whether a game is considered "kiddie" or not? If a game is not fun for me, do I automatically label it a kiddie game or not? Tell me, how is it relevant to the content level of a game?
Are only "kiddie" games fun? No. We might as well define "fun" if it is so relevant to the discussion. I bought my PS2 because I like the games released on it. I didn't buy Gamecube because I didn't like the games on it (except maybe a couple Star Wars games, but I don't buy a console for just a couple of games). I found my PS2 games "fun", but the games I didn't like on the Gamecube were also considered by other people as "fun" ... so where's the constant here?
It's a vague poll open to a lot of interpretations. I aired my side on the manner of content. Most of you aired it in the manner of sheer fun, gameplay, and what-have-you. We all have biases, and opinions. An open-minded person with a preference in games is a marginal oxymoron...
But based on the fact that Gamecube has released more games geared at kids, my vote stays ... YES.
Posted by: seperoth
ps2console-$180=loads of gameplay/xbox-$180=loads of graphics/gamecube=lots of little kids happy to see mario priceless
Posted by: Tecil
Hmm that deduction doesn't seem quite right.
PS2-loads of games, but only a few gameplay worthy
Xbox-Loads of graphics and gameplay, best crossplatform titles
Gamecube-More games geared towards a younger crowd, but also more
top notch in house developed titles. I.E. Zelda, Mario, Metroid
I voted no, I just bought a Gamecube and already own an Xbox, I've found I like the Xbox mainly for the Live games and select Xbox only titles, and the Cube for its portability and system only titles. My son is two and enjoys playing either system or the PSone. He was kicking the computers ass the other night at Tao Feng (minus the blood of course).
Its all in the eye of the beholder. I could sit down and watch Spongebob Squarepants and get more entertainment out of that than an hour of Buffy.
Gameplay plain and simple. If I enjoy it I don't care who it's geared towards. One persons Diablo II is anothers Dance Dance Revolution.
Posted by: Digitalphatman
Is the fact that the gamecube may be "kidde" mean that is isn't hella fun? NO. When i said it was friustrating i am leaning more towards the fact that alotta people i know call it kiddie and then refuse to play the console. THey really do not care whether or not the games are good, all they say is its too kids oriented. WHile many of the games may be kids oriented that does not take away from them or the system.
Fun and kiddie are some what exclusive in the case of this pole, imo. That is just the way i interperet it.
Posted by: EvilCable
The only reason I want a GC is for Resident Evil series. Something about thoes zombies.. mmmm.. brains... *chomp*
Posted by: Radiator
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show me a Mario game with blood and violence in it
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http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view.php?id=86294 then click on play this game 
Posted by: Daniel
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nice come back
Posted by: Azure
LoL... isn't this conversation getting a little out of hand? so far this is what i've got...
"Gamecube has more kiddie games then other platforms"
"so what? it's still fun to play"
"that doesn't matter"
"sure it does"
(enter long philisophical "definition of fun & kiddie", "eye of the beholder", etc.)
i'm not gonna mess with that stuff. i personally do not see the gamecube as a kiddie system. yes, there may be a few more kiddie games for GC then other systems, but they are still by far the minority. Oh, btw- whoever said smash melee is a kiddie game is insane. =D
and also, Zelda- wind waker might seem like a kiddie game, but really, after playing it, i find that a hard game to define. it has serious themes, but doesn't take itself seriously. =P
*decides to not rant about cel shaded zelda games being evil*
I CAST THE DECIDING VOTE!!! 13-12 GC is not kiddie. =D
Posted by: Outlaw
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Originally posted by Azure
LoL... isn't this conversation getting a little out of hand?
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Nah, actually, it died down about 3 and half months ago. But hey, don't let that stop ya.
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