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Posted by: Bishop
take one cup of american coffee, one tablespoon of chocolate syrup, and one tablespoon of sugar, and you get american coffee that tastes better and keeps you up for 5 minutes instead of 3.
Posted by: Bishop
sod that.
it still tastes bad.
enough of that swill, dumped it and got another cup with my usual 2 tablespoons of sugar... and burnt my ****ing mouth.
Who's soul do I have to sell to get a god damned decent cup of coffee?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Posted by: laborat
The Pro drinkers grind their own beans.
Posted by: redwench
all coffee tastes horrible.
bishy, take a no doz or vivarin with your beverage of choice, much less unpleasantness. thats what i do.
Posted by: Chako
Bishop...quite your whining and go back to chocolate milk. 
Posted by: Kdr Kane
The older and crustier the pot, the better the coffee. 
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by laborat
The Pro drinkers grind their own beans.
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That sounds painful, Labby ...
Posted by: Outlaw
lol
Posted by: Null Actor
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Originally posted by Bishop
take one cup of american coffee, one tablespoon of chocolate syrup, and one tablespoon of sugar, and you get american coffee that tastes better and keeps you up for 5 minutes instead of 3.
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and causes your sig to become complete gibberish!
Of course, I find that nothing beats a starbucks mocha frappucino with a shot or two of espresso for keeping you up. It also tastes pretty good.
Posted by: TheeMon
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Originally posted by Kdr Kane
The older and crustier the pot, the better the coffee.
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hmmm i dont like old pot... the fresher the better ohhh wrong subject P hehe jk hadta add this comment hehe
Posted by: Swilo
You want some ways to stay up?
1) Bash your head against the wall a few times, waking everybody else up. Their yelling will keep you awake.
2) Drink a quart of milk with lemon juice in it, 50/50.
3) Make a small incision in your arm, then proceed to pout hydrogen peroxide, lemon juice, and root beer on it till you can't feel it, then rub in rock salt.
4) Burn something. (Try to keep it legal)
I'm sure I could think of more, but I don't want to.
Posted by: Gerbilo
yeah, nova is right hehehe
swilo, sounds sorta violent, how about a tazer or something?
Posted by: Shalome
Rules for good coffee, from a former coffee-place waitress:
Wash your coffee machine out every once in a while. Most people never do this and wonder why their coffee tastes like crap.
Buy coffee beans and a coffee grinder. Try different kinds of flavored beans, if you're the wild-and-crazy, experimental type of coffee drinker (my grandpa says flavored coffee is for sissys and pansys, but hey, he also thinks watching the Wheel of Fortune is the highlight of his day). My favorite is hazlenut. Coffee beans are a bit more expensive, but worth it to satisfactorily feed a caffeine addiction. Only grind yourself one pot's worth of beans at a time.
Keep the coffee beans in the freezer.
Start with cold water. Use unbleached coffee filters. As soon as the coffee's done brewing, remove the filter basket so no residual oils drip into the pot.
Drink the coffee immediately (as soon as it's cool, anyway -- duh), unless you're like wench and like coffee that stands up and shakes your hand before you drink it.
Anyway.
-Shalome
Posted by: Bishop
actually my signature has historical background, although in a different channel ^_^
Posted by: Chako
Looks at it closely....it sounds like a football chant Bishop.
Posted by: laborat
I am starting to like Shalome a lot. anyone who knows coffee is
all right in my book. anyone who has worked in a coffee house is even better. Plus I like Hazelnut myself. Anyone who can write convincingly about coffee is a genius. Not every idiot knows to clean the pot or put the beans in the freezer. If you are going to be a gormet.. you have to gormandize a little once in a while.
Knowing this bunch, its probably mostly hot tap water and instant decaf.
Posted by: Swilo
You people are sick. Wasting good food like sugar, milk, and cream in coffee. BLECH >•Þ
Posted by: Outlaw
i dont like coffee, i never drink it
i hope you dont hate me now...
Posted by: redwench
shal, i hate coffee in any form
you would have to pay me at least 10k american dollars to get me to drink a cup
coke is better, even with the no doz
Posted by: Bishop
Back when I was hopping between OTS and cheaters (1.04 of diablo) a few of us were thinking up idiotic things to say when attacking monsters in public games.
Demi, (who dissapeared off of b.net) would go around calling s0ul a "chobo".
then beer and gully (currently on UO, sonoma, in LuT) started saying "howohowo" for the monster attackings.
I put them all together into "h0h0h0ch0b0w0w0" and it stayed that way for a month and then the whole tirade was forgotten.
then in Starcraft, beer and I were pking people and as we were demolishing one of their bases, he types it in all caps, "HOHOHOCHOBOWOWO", reminded of the idiotic concotion I modified it to "h0h0h0ch0b0w0w0g0g0g0y0sl0m0f0" when playing in a game that I didn't create, when the map downloads were done and it was time to start it but the person in question decided to wait for some idiotic reason.
Posted by: Shalome
Sorry, wench, dunno what I was thinking. Too much coffee screws with the brain, I guess. 
-Shalome
Posted by: Canis Lupus
I was a BIG coffee drinker when I was in college ... coffee and cigs kept me awake when on cram sessions for those big exams... was drinking almost 10 cups of coffee and puffing almost two packs of cigs daily, hehehe ...
It was real bad, but a good alternative to weed, which was pretty expensive where I came from 
Posted by: Null Actor
Who needs coffee for caffeine...
http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/things/37d9.html
Posted by: Chako
Oh boy, this post reminds me of someone I encountered at University. This guy would chew raw coffee beans before an exam saying that black coffee was not good enough anymore and that this sharpened the mind. If you ask me, I think he lost his a long time ago.
The only coffee anyone will ever see me drink is Irish cream coffee.
Posted by: Null Actor
I like coffee beans more than coffee. Coffee tastes too watered down. Always. Even the strong stuff.
Posted by: Null Actor
it is 10:30am... I've been at work for two hours and consumed 2L of pepsi.
I am soooooo wired.
Posted by: Freak
Hehe, Star bucks is ok , but mocha frappachino is very very dry. I drank one once and it drained all my saliva in the throat.
Posted by: TheeMon
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Originally posted by Canis Lupus
It was real bad, but a good alternative to weed, which was pretty expensive where I came from
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LAGGY U LIVE IN LA!!! hehe hell u ever watch cops? ppl in LA got big ass weed plants growning infront of there house got cops involved when the weed grew higher then the fence now thats just laysness not ta pick that sht hehe... anyways laggy la is gotta b the cheapest place to get weed well exept of morons P heeh and thinking of 1 right now might havta call him in da morn hehe... anyways laggy isnt weed bad? and this is supposed to b a clean forum heeh P oh well... oh u no what? hehe u said in collage hmmm depends on where u went to collage... how expensive was it to? hehe
and bishop...
whats this cheaters? hehe and did u just quit mid thought of your post? u never explained your sig... hehe
and laggy if u were smoke'n 2packs of cigs aday + drinkin coffe i say about 10 bucks a day=well i shouldnt really go anyfurther on this weed topic as is kids n sht but id just say u would have prolly been better off goin w/ da weed idea hehe P
Posted by: Canis Lupus
I didn't go to college here in the States
I never really took much weed ... coz it was too expensive where I came from. And I didn't say if it was good or bad - I just said I took it... besides, you shouldn't remind me about weed talk and clean forums when you've been posting nastier thing here - remember, you've already been warned twice
Anyway, this thread is about coffee, so let's go back to the topic, shall we?
Posted by: TheeMon
whered you go? shoulda went to holland P or to be more pasific amsterdam hehehe anyways ok but u got no idea how bad i wanted to continue my last post b4 i stoped and thought hmmm better not laggy'd kill me hehe
Posted by: Chako
Theemon.....go get some sleep,and get off the stuff you have been obviously taking and come clean...trust me...you will become a lot more intelligible when posting.
Posted by: Auruspex
ive given up reading his posts.. i cant understand a word he says 
Posted by: Outlaw
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Originally posted by TheeMon
whered you go? shoulda went to holland P or to be more pasific amsterdam hehehe
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and to be even more "pasific" you dont really need to be in amsterdam, you can buy it in (almost) every city here.
and nice signature you got there
Posted by: TheeMon
yeah but thats like considered the capatal or something hehe ahhh cyaz
Posted by: Wacheif
hehhhe i like coffee hehehe keeps me awake on thos long b net nights ehehe.... anyway...... my baby bro (4 yeard old almost 5) liek coffee mroe then i do....... he always loves for my grand father to come up.... cuase my mom will make alot of coffe then for him.... and he will be talkign to my mom or dad and my baby bro will come up behind him and take his cup ( it sits on da table) and start to run off and drink it.... its so funny ehehhe
Posted by: Chako
Ack...now Wacheif is talking like Theemon....
Posted by: Pepsi-Man[OTS]
you know almost as much about coffee as i do now hehe. my dad is the ultimate coffee person hehe. noone is more in to it and knows more about it. he must drink 3 pots a day heh. he does every thing u listed and vanilla hazlenut is his fav heh. between him and you now i am The-Coffee-Man now heh. i dont drink coffee very often. when i do its starbucks i like just getting iced mochas heh.
ew theemon u bring drugs in to the forums man ur gutsy. lots of people are offended by that unless they are in to that thing also. well i could beb bein stupid but drugs are not on my high end they happen to be on the lowest end you can find in my book heh.
Posted by: Wacheif
OH NO!!! I THINK CHAKO IS RIGHT!!! HELP!!!!
Posted by: Chako
I am the black pit when it comes to drugs. I am so against mind altering chemicals that I wonder who would take em. You need to be in full control of your faculties in this world. I just read in the local paper that 50% of Canadians would not mind if they legalized pot. I say no way! I can't stand the smell. It stinks far more then cigarettes. I cannot imagine this stuff being legalized for it is only a steeping stone to harder stuff (don't tell me differently either). It is a crying shame that people migrate to something that takes over their lives. I know many students in High school that are taking this junk. They think that Bob Marley is a God. They idolize him for his drugs. It is sad actually. Most of these students are the ones that give everyone else headaches. Because they are taking drugs, they think that they are cool. Actually the majority of them are not. You want drugs, take a walk into a local forest, and gaze upon natures beauty. Appreciate this planet in all its glories, and I guarantee you that drugs can't hold a candle to it.
Reading this thread, I am sure my views will not find favor amongst some of the posters, but read and mark heed. Drugs can only pull you down, they never prop you up.
(I am talking about weed, and harder stuff....not coffee, which although a mild drug, actually focuses the mind in moderate amounts)
Posted by: Pepsi-Man[OTS]
man u got nothing on me heh. i dislike them more heh.
Posted by: Wacheif
hehe maybe that should be put in rants and raves hehe j/k... yea i agree chako...... i wouldnt take it if ya payed me......... or nottin.....i only joke around on it sometimes when im bored......
Posted by: Null Actor
Just out of curiosity Chako... what are your thoughts on alcohol?
Posted by: Chako
Alcohol? It doesn’t bother me as much as taking mushrooms, crack, weed, heroin, and whatever new junk is out there. I enjoy a good glass of home brew every now and then (a good black stout or my personal favorite~bock). I drink moderately, even at parties. I limit myself to 3 beers at a party, so I tend to nurse em all evening. I like a good rum and coke at home, on occasion. Rum is excellent stuff. Its medicinal values are great. My favorite is Capt Morgan spice rum. I do not believe in mixing driving and drinking, nor getting plastered or as we say over here… 4 sheets to the wind. I do not also believe in drinking to get drunk. I have only been drunk once in my life…it was not a pleasurable experience. Like all habits though, if it becomes all consuming, then you have a problem, and need to fix it. Being a drunk is not a good idea.
Hope this has answered your curiosities Nova.
Posted by: TotalRecall
..with Chako. I see no point in taking drugs to alter your body and senses, except for medical reasons. The closest thing to a drug to me is chewing gum and iced tea.
Who is Tupac? A rapper? That's all an image, Theemon.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
I won't even express my thoughts on alcohol ... Reason? I work at a wine and liquor store... anything I say is automatically biased, hehehe
Posted by: Null Actor
The thing is chako, alcohol has been either directly or indirectly involved in the ruination of so many lives. I bet if you were to dig up stats, even including people that ended up in jail for possession of weed, that various crimes and problems due to alcohol outnumber weed 10 to 1. Probably more.
I mean, it's been proved that weed is significantly less harmful than cigarettes are. Also, marijuana is not chemically addictive, like cigarettes.
I mean, I'm not a druggie... never touched the stuff once in my life (not saying I won't though ). But I really don't see the problem with weed compared to what is already legal. I know so many people that smoke it... and the only people who've ruined their lives with it are the same kind of people who would have become an alcoholic if the weed wasn't there.
Posted by: Null Actor
Not to mention that weed is a (mostly) naturally occuring substance. It's a plant! I mean, most other drugs (the chemically addictive ones) are created in a lab, using chemicals, and a chemical process. Those are the bad ones, for plenty of reason.
So really, what is the difference between aspirin (a tree bark extract), alcohol (fermented grain n stuff), and weed (a plant)?
As for not having control of your faculties... I've seen way too many people make asses of themselves due to booze... yet that is socially acceptable.
Weed on the other hand is condemned just because the government decides so.
Posted by: Chako
Yes, I know quite a few people taking weed also. You can smell them a mile away. It is a disgusting habit in that regard. I find that only weak people need drugs to escape reality. I have had friends offer me the stuff and I plain refuse. Yes, your facts are correct concerning weed. It is less addictive then cigarettes, however, cigarettes do not alter your mind (a danger if people start to replace smoking cigarettes with weed…imagine people driving or walking around high). Weed can be very addictive to some people also. You do not get instant addiction with the stuff, but if you like the effects, then yes, you can and will get hooked….ask your friends to quite cold turkey…I bet they can’t if they are habitual smokers of the stuff. The only instance I would agree to make it legal would be as a pain killer for dire need patients…this would require a doctors prescription. I also would like to see industrial hemp crops grown for the textile and rope industry. Right now, our society prevents these crops from being grown, not because you can smoke them (you can’t get the buzz for it lacks one essential ingredient found in the illegal plant) but because the police can’t identify the differences between the 2 plants in the field without laboratory assistance.
My primary concern is this. It is bad enough that many people walk around and drive under the influence of alcohol, I don’t think as a society, we want to give cart blanch to weed. This would only compound and possibly make weed a killer just like alcohol. The fact is, there are a lot of people who will go the route of substance abuse without encouraging them by making it legal.
Posted by: Xoncide
coffie = evil
cherry coke = ok
orange juice = good
Posted by: Chako
Making an ass of themselves due to over drinking isn’t really socially acceptable…point in fact…many people get to spend the nigh in the local jail, or if worse…get brought up on various charges. This does not indicate that drinking excessively is socially acceptable.
The difference between Aspirin and weed is this. Aspirin doesn’t send you on a trip. It is a medication, and like all things taken internally, has good and bad aspects….the good generally outweighs the bad (bleeding, ulcers of the stomach, etc…). Weed? What good does it do? It is a relaxant true…but if they need that stuff to relax..then they should change jobs or something. Sure it is from a plant, but then many plants are poisonous and not good to take…so not all natural chemicals are good for us. Alcohol isn’t good for you either in large amounts, but it can prove beneficial in small minute amounts. A shoot of rum a day will increase blood circulation.
Posted by: Bishop
that makes three.
me, mk, and chako.
unless I've forgotton someone.
Posted by: Null Actor
Anyone can get hooked to anything if they have no willpower, so that isn't a valid point.
Neither is 'everyone being high all the time'. I mean really, if they legalized marijuana it wouldn't be like cigarettes, it would be like alcohol.
True, marijuana may become like alcohol... but should we ban something just because of a few pathetic people who are dumb enough to get hooked?
As for the smell... weed or cigarettes, both smell bad. I don't consider that a valid argument against it either.
"people need drugs to escape reality". I feel I need to address this line specifically... because I hear it far too often. I also hear a variant of the phrase which goes "people need alcohol to have fun". That is just so very backwards and wrong. I don't need alcohol to have fun, just like I don't need drugs to escape reality. However, alcohol is fun in and of itself. I can have fun without alcohol, but alcohol is a way to have fun. Maybe I'm different in that way... because I don't ever feel detached from reality. Even at the most drunk I've ever been, I still know what is going on, and I know the difference between right and wrong, and I know what I should and shouldn't do. Maybe I'm just not dumb enough to succumb to the stupidness that is associated with alcohol.
"Drinking excessively is not socially acceptable". Okay, I'll accept that. But on the same point, Getting excessively high wouldn't be socially acceptable either.
The thing is, if it were legalized, people could be more informed about it, and it would be easier (not to mention SIGNIFICANTLY safer) to use it. I mean, I'm sure I could find my limits easily if I were to try the stuff... but of course it's always easier when you know how much it's going to affect you.
"Weed? What good does it do? It is a relaxant true…but if they need that stuff to relax..then they should change jobs or something. " Correct me if I'm wrong here, but the main excuse for use of alcohol is as a relaxant.
I guess my main point is that I find condemning marijuana while accepting alcohol is a very hypocritical thing to do. There is no real difference between the two as far as society is concerned. Only a silly law decreed by the government.
Posted by: MK
Bishop..what?
Posted by: Chako
Well then why take drugs if it isn't for the trip? Isn't that the whole reason why people take it in the first place...to escape reality?
As for banning stuff due to a few dumb people who will get hooked. Alcohol isn't banned, and yet there are many dumb people hooked on the stuff. I think the reason why alcohol isn't banned because there are lots of big distilleries, bars, beer stores etc...that would be unhappy if that ever happened (including the government).
Now for weed. Are you telling me that smoking pot is fun in and of itself? sounds like a pathetic argument to me. If that is your definition of having fun, well then by all means have a go at it.
As for people being more informed about it if it were legalized...I think not. Anyone who wants to know about it can read all the literature they want right now. They don't need to have pot legalized to inform them, since there are no health benefits. Furthermore if it were legalized, pot prices would jump tremendously due to taxation and government control of the industry. True, there would be some sort of pot testing standards enacted by the government to ensure the safety of Pot heads around the country. Sounds to me that the government might benefit by taxing marijuana and making it legal. Everyone knows that there is good easy money in taxing stuff stupid people are addicted to such as alcohol and cigarettes.
Yes, cigarettes stink, and I think it is a disgusting habit, and god knows the tobacco companies have done everything to make smokers not quite, and new potential air heads to want to join up. These new smokers know the dangers..for they are educated on cigarettes..and yet they still smoke. Personally, if smoking was banned right across this country, I would not bat an eye lash.
As for saying that legalizing marijuana would be like alcohol and not like cigarettes...not sure on that one either...too many people would become dependent on the effects that weed gives you...much like alcohol. This would mean they would be carrying packs of the stuff around and lighting it up in public..much like cigarettes...something you can't do with a 40oz bottle. In other words, many people would be substituting cigarettes for weed. At least you can't get high on cigarettes. So now we would have 3 bad habits legalized instead of two. I don't see how this would help anything?
Nova, I respect your views...I just don't agree with them...but I do respect them. I think debates are healthy, and it is good you have your views and I have mine. Somehow I don't think you will persuade me to your side though.
Posted by: Null Actor
Like I said before, I've never smoked pot, so I don't know the details. But I've never heard of it being significantly different from being drunk.
I guess my main point is why fight it, when you can embrace it and save a lot of people a lot of trouble? I mean really, if people want to smoke pot, they can and will. So the government might as well make it legal, take their share of the cut, and make it safer for everyone.
But there is no way they would end up being treated like cigarettes. In the same way that you can drink a bottle of pop on the street, but not alcohol, you could smoke cigarettes, but not pot. I mean, it's a very distinctive smell, and there is no way you could hide all that from the police. Public drunkenness isn't allowed, and being high in public wouldn't either.
Posted by: Null Actor
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Originally posted by Chako
Now for weed. Are you telling me that smoking pot is fun in and of itself? sounds like a pathetic argument to me. If that is your definition of having fun, well then by all means have a go at it.
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It isn't (wouldn't) be my definition of having fun. Saying it would be the definition of having fun means it's the only way to have fun. I'm saying it's a way of having fun. Like going to a movie, or to a fun park, or jumping out of a plane. None of them are the 'definition' of having fun, they are just a way to have fun. Like playing games, or partaking in pointless arguments on message boards
Posted by: AK47
I think Nova and chako should both get baked and shut the hell up.
Posted by: Chako
Yep, pointless arguments on message boards...now that is something I can identify with!
Actually, our definitions are not that different. If people want to smoke it at their homes…I see no problems with that. If it were legalized and that was all people did with it, then I don’t have a problem with that either. My concern is that with legalization, society will become complacent towards pot, enabling lots of people to start smoking it everywhere. I can foresee a great difficulty in trying to police this, and a great danger of people driving vehicles under the influence of pot etc… I just don’t want another "alcohol syndrome" out there on our streets.
I think AK 47 should show a little more courtesy. I shall give you some advise for free...never ever take that tone with me again...got it!
Posted by: Null Actor
I don't think that would happen just because smoking is slowly being stomped out of the public. Like anything else, I don't care if you do it at home in private.
Although edmonton's city council are a bunch of caving losers... they passed a 'non-smoking bylaw' that went in to effect in may that disallowed smoking in restaurants where minors are allowed. Either non-smoking, or non-minors.
So what do the restaurants do? They label a section of tables 'no-minors' and then people can smoke there. So basically they just don't allow minors in the smoking section.
And city council has decided that this isn't a violation of the bylaw... WTF?
Posted by: MK
Excuse me for interrupting on your parade..but, I ask yet again. Bishop, what does this mean?
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that makes three.
me, mk, and chako.
unless I've forgotton someone.
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Posted by: MK
Oh, also, I just realized, Wachief, Theemon and I have signatures quoting Tupac and yes TR, Tupac was a very famous rap artist, who died a few years back. Some still conspirasize and think he's not dead and living in the Bahamas as he states in a few of his songs. Also he has released about 5 CD's and 2 movies since his death. Go figure.
Posted by: Chako
Yeah, our city council has some interesting bylaws also. The same no smoking law applies, only difference is that they have a complete band in restaurants, and even in bars (but nobody enforces this, and I can’t say I blame them. I would hate to be the bar owner who tries to tell a biker to butt out). Another dumb law is that stores must have a little separate kiosk to sell cigarettes. I have no idea why this was done, but it cost many small businesses money to build this thing just for smokes.
Posted by: Xoncide
Fight Fight Fight
*puts money down on nova*
Posted by: Bishop
we're the three insane members.
no one else has the title (that I'm aware of) and the only people with higher numbers of posts than us are the admins/moderators/etc.
unless I missed something somewhere.
on the debate between nova and chako, if you don't have a side in it, then stay out of it.
^_^
Posted by: laborat
While the debate between the Chak and the Nov on the merits
of pot smoking, alchohol drinking, and Bic addiction has been informative and entertaining, the REAL issue has been smoked under the rug. The Rights of the individual vs. the Rights of the group.
I am one of those people who think that idiots have rights too, and any idiot should have the right to screw up his life without the intervention of the goverment acting for the good of the group. While not all Pot or Cigarette smokers or Alcholics are idiots, it goes without saying that their cumulative lifestyles lead to an endgame of hospitals and death. The Social Darwinist in me says who cares, if the idiots all kill themselves off then people with some sense can make this world a better place.
We currently have on the legal books (laws) ways in which the government can control the use of illegal drugs and socially unacceptable behaviors. Its called Taxation. Of the estimated 400 million people who have tried marijuana, (if it was legally taxed) had they purchased it legitmately, the WORLD debt would have been wiped out in 4 years. I also think things like murder, rape, and robbery should just be TAXED!!! Putting someone away in a prison where they have to be humanely treated while imprisoned just doesn't cut it. We have too many prisons and prisoners as it is, all costing Taxpayers money. I say TAX them. forclose on their houses, put their familys out on the streets, and watch the crime rate drop. its one thing to take the justice you got coming but another to slap it on family members as well.
Will this ever happen? Hardly. It seems we have Idiots in the government too, that will make sure it doesn't. You have to look closely at the Anti-Drug Industries Lobbyists. They make sure that we will never legalize anything for long. Parts of their propaganda have been used in the above debate. They can get more Money to fight drugs if they are illegal. The same ways Hospitals make money on Medicare and Medicaid by filling BEDS, Prisons make money by filling cells. It's all about the money. Always has been.
Now about that Rights of the individual vs. Rights of the group, won't happen either. Get a bunch of individuals together and you got a group. Tree Huggers. NRA. Pot Smokers. Police. each with their own agendas and sure fire ways to solve the world's problems. Hell, even the anarchists have a group, and I was saddened to hear that. Please don't agree with me. If you do, then my individualistic thinking will become a group thingy. It is after all, our own thoughts, not that of others that we will rely on in the end.
Posted by: redwench
chako, i have to disagree with you on this point. there are health benefits from pot, at least for some people. every drug, includine nicotine, caffeine and alcohol has both good and bad effects. heroin has benefits. they all do. heroin was used as a painkiller when it was first manufactured. pot can reduce nausea and muscle wasting in diseased patients, notably cancer and aids.
i do not smoke pot, nor do i have any interest in doing so. but i do not think that one can discuss it as if there are no benefits, or that its evil.
oh, and im glad someone mentioned the hemp issue. hemp is a renewable resource, and should be used. just license the farmers to grow it, and make law enforcement do the lab tests like they do with other drugs. we shouldnt make useful things illegal for the convenience of law enforcement, but on their own merits.
i love hemp.
Posted by: MK
I been Insane Member longest and mine is original, as it is a different color
I would have to agree with Chako on this subject though. Other then some medicinal uses, pot really has no use. But many things have no use, just as pot does. Such as chewing gum, pop, etc...These things do more harm then good, but it won't stop from people doing these things because they are addicted. Did you know that chewing gum is actually bad for you? Anyway, I see the only point of drugs besides for medical purposes is to get away from it all. People may also do it to act "cool" or something when around people, but I see that as them just showing how weak they are and how they cannot stand up for themselves if they do not really wanna do it. Alcohol has no purpose except for occasional social drinking or getting drunk off your ass to where most of the time you can't remember what happened, which I see no point of. Pot can be subscribed for people who need it, but other then that, I see no point in legalizing it, unless someone thinks that would lower the use of it.
Posted by: Xoncide
labby for president, hes got my vote
Posted by: Chako
Labby...eloquent as ever.
Red, I did mention that I have no problems of pot smoking for medical reasons. I know there are some benefits for certain patients. However, heroin does not have any good aspects...sure it kills pain...that is why you get people hoped on heroin doing superhuman acts...making cops fear them. Yes your right, if you look hard enough, there will always be something beneficial or harmful in anything around us. The true questions is how beneficial or harmful is it. In the case of heroin, the harmful aspects far outweigh the benefits. You can't compare heroin to pot or native sweet grass for heroin is the larger evil by far. Compared to that, pot is very mild. I still say though that if we legalize it, then it might become socially acceptable, brought out in the open, and it might actually cause more policing issues then it is right now as a banned substance. Why look at all the fun our society is encountering trying to keep cigarettes out of the hands of youngster. Nothing works. If the young ones want em, they will get them. I know the same argument can be said for marijuana, but at least they can't buy it or get it at your local corner store, making it harder for them to get it. I think this is a good thing.
Posted by: Shalome
Chako, you're thinking of PCP, not heroin. A person on PCP has "superhuman" strength. Cops are afraid of heroin junkies when the junkie is NOT on the drug.. that's when the rage and fear and irrationality kick in for the heroin addict (and don't get me started on the US policy on treatment for addicts.. i'll go on all night).
Marijuana does have medicinal uses.. otherwise, it the government would not have authorized the manufacturing and distribution of the synthetic drug "Marinol." It's a non-addictive painkiller commonly given to people with chronic conditions that involve wasting (AIDS, cancer treatment, certain disorders of the gastrointestinal system), because -- just like marijuana -- it increases appetite and reduces nausea. Marinol is much more expensive than marijuana, yet it is the exact same substance (but synthesized in a lab rather than grown naturally). It is referred to in the medical community as "synthetic THC." THC is the active ingredient in marijuana.
Also, marijuana does not send you on a "trip" in the way people commonly think of "drug trips," which occur with psychoactives such as mushrooms and LSD. Marijuana is classified as a mild psychoactive in the DSM-IV. It causes relaxation, a sense of well-being, and can cause a distortion of the user's sense of time. It does not distort your sense of reality.
It has been theorized that marijuana is illegal because it is natural -- the government CANNOT control it, because it grows everywhere, on its own (hence the term "weed"). However, they CAN take kickbacks from the drug companies that make millions by producing synthetic versions of a plant and selling them to critically and chronically ill patients.
I'm stepping off the soapbox now.
-Shalome.
Posted by: Kdr Kane
Well, I'll take your place for just a moment Shalome.
The anti-drug legislation has always reminded me of Prohibition and the rise of the gangsters. This type of legislation creates the black market and the resultant money making opportunities.
I had written a bunch earlier. But, I'm not gonna stay on this soapbox too long.
The anti-marijuana campaign actually began back in the thirties with William Randolph Hearst. He started the scare in an attempt to sell more newspapers across the country.
It's all about money. 
Posted by: Chako
Yep, I got my drugs mixed up. You are correct Shalome. I shall say this once again though, I have no problems legalizing marijuana for medicinal purposes. I do have a problem legalizing it for general use on the streets. I don’t think the "lose of time" is conductive to happy commuting on the freeways…one of my major concerns.
As for Marinol. It is an evil drug…a common consensus out there. It is more harmful then the natural THCs. Natural products are always better, safer, and healthier then synthetic ones.
Folks, read this article to get up to speed on the topic.
Marinol article
Posted by: laborat
Uh, interesting choice of words there Chako..."Get up to speed on the Marinol issue" *pokes Chako and does a Snoopy dance off of the walls. Here in Missouri, the main critter the authorities try to raid the most is Meth Labs. Hard to find and more explosive than a fireworks stand with a fireplace. I hate to brag but the Pot in Missouri is known world wide. It doesn't give you a mild high however. It, a curious blend of Canabinols, has one of the highest THC ratings in the world. (its our radioactive water and the limestone.)
One of my favorite things to do when I was bored was to go to a NORML rally and wear my farmer's Paraquat Plus Hat. Turned a few heads with that one. This discussion about legalization is more about the 00's than it is the 60's. We didn't want any thing illegal back then. (*cough *cough) Yet we always figured the goverment would legalize when we were all in our retirement ages to keep us from rioting when they cut Medicare. Hasn't happened yet, even though the first of the hippies are receiving AARP literature as we speak.
In the interests of full disclosure, I must confess to having smoked pot for almost 36 years. I don't recommend it to anyone but the most complete of idiots. If everyone quit buying it, the price would drop and I could afford it again. It ruined my life, cost me any remote chance of being normal, and yes, it led to harder drugs.
I now take 41 pills a day. some of the pills I take are because of some of the pills I take. Go figure. For someone who has to do weekly drug infusions and jump thru hoops in various clinical labratty thingys, there are times when a joint would be welcome. Not because the stuff I go thru makes me nauseous, but because the absurdity of it all, tilts me dangerously close to normalcy, a place I try to avoid unless its a first date with a Russian war bride.
Posted by: TheeMon
ok the smartest thing is for me to say no comment... when have you ever known me to do a smart thing? well after i say this imma say no comment and shut my dam mouth... here it goes... alkahole makes u act stupied as *** weed makes me act/be/seem/whatever smarter i know when i got busted at a party w/ it i did the smartest thing i ever did then... i know if it woulda been alkahole i woulda killed a dude LITERY killed him he would have been dead and my life ***ed... next thing chako dude u can cover up the smell no prob but also i know TONS of ppl who do walk around stoned goto school stone went to a court hearing stoned (hehe frog rl dude) and never got caught hell... and weed dont lead to other drugs hell the ONLY things i do is drink-(only at my dad's w/ him) smoke weed and shooms i dont smoke cigs i dont do anything else... well occailcanly i pop pills but BUT only at real big parties...(mainly oxycottons) and nothing more... ill never do crack/herowin whatever else u think + u ever seen road trip? the way weed makes that kid it kinda does that 4 me but not tottaly hehe ok now i shut my mouth or my finger hehe NO COMMENTS ANYMORE!!! hehe(on this subject at least well ill try noto)
Posted by: Mageus
Theemon, I hope to NEVER meet someone like you IRL. You are irresponsible, and I'd bet money that you end up in jail sooner rather than later. You are a poster child for the anti drug commission.
It seems to me that from most of your posts that drugs have already most likely ruined your life.
Take some friendly advice and quit. Quit it all.
Posted by: Null Actor
*ignoring theemon's post for pointless content*
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Originally posted by Shalome
It causes relaxation, a sense of well-being, and can cause a distortion of the user's sense of time. It does not distort your sense of reality.
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Whoa! That describes the programming zone EXACTLY! Heh... maybe I don't even need to try marijuana to know what it's like
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Originally posted by Shalome
It has been theorized that marijuana is illegal because it is natural -- the government CANNOT control it, because it grows everywhere, on its own (hence the term "weed"). However, they CAN take kickbacks from the drug companies that make millions by producing synthetic versions of a plant and selling them to critically and chronically ill patients.
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That is exactly what it is. The government only wants to make their buck off the deal. Let's face it, the government is nothing but the accepted mob. They can't have their cut, so no one can have it. They make the rules... and who can stop them? What the government does has NOTHING to do with the wellbeing of the populace... it has to do with them making money and nothing else.
Posted by: Bishop
see what you did to my poor topic?!?!
brought it to the rants and raves board, where no one will ever see it!
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Of course it'll be seen - there is still a link from the Off Topic Forum
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by Nova Z
*ignoring theemon's post for pointless content*
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I guess everyone would agree that we have a textbook example of what drugs can do to your brain .... and I'm not talking about Nova's post...
Posted by: Chako
Well, considering that Theemon was the one who started this whole shebang. Good god. Theemon, I teach people like you. I see all the wasted talents, all the potential going down the drain....denial is a strong factor....you are the reason why I started to talk against drugs in this forum...it was a vain attempt to knock some sense into you...from your last post... I won't even bother anymore. I give up.
Sorry Bishop….humble apologies all around.
Posted by: Bishop
don't apologize, just don't do it anymore.
^_^
Posted by: AK47
once again- this is an evil rant- dont read if you dont like bad words. this is the rants and raves forum, read the disclamer. this post will make me a few enemies (one in particular). oh well. here goes.
on this whole drug topic- drugs arent bad. especially weed. what the **** is wrong with a plant that makes you mellow when you smoke it? chako says if "taking" weed is your idea of fun, thats a pretty poor excuse..or some bullshit like that. first of all, its smoking weed- not taking. secondly, its not "taken" for fun. its taken to make you feel nice and mellow. thats why so many people smoke weed, because it makes you feel nice and calm. it makes all your problems go away for a little while. you speak of it like it is some horrible thing that is destroying the world. get real. you sound like such and old crusty man with a bug up his ass. chill the **** out. oh, another thing cako- you replied to my post in which i told you to smoke a J and shut the hell up, by saying i should never speak to you in that tone..GOT IT?! **** off. who the **** are you to get all tough with me. this is exaclty why weed is good. i meant what i said. maybe if you smoked up a litte, the bug in your ass would suffocate. it would loosen you up. but no- weed is horible!! my ass. as for other drugs- who the hel cares. if deadbeats want to waste their lives shooting up in a dmumpster- let them. freedom of choice. who the **** are you to tell people how to live their lives?
speaking of which...i've had enough of all this shit coming from you making fun of and putting down theemon. jesus christ man- and you are a teacher! if i had such an arrogant ******* for a teacher, i'd drop out. all you do is make fun of his posts and de-value him. lay the **** off. sure, i have made fun of some of thee's spelling mstakes, but none of my stuff has been as un-kind as yours. this goes for alot of people. leave theemon alone. i get laugh out of his posts. all alot of the time, they are relevant to the topic. everyone who insults him acts as though their view is the only important one. get off your ****ing clouds! theemon has a voice too. it seem as though laggy is the only one who recognizes this. ]
well, the adrenaline is wearing off. i had to vent. after all, that is what this forum (rants and raves) is for. there is even a warning before entering it- so i shouldnt be in any trouble for what i just did.
to everyone- feel free to private message me if you have something to say about this big mess i just made. i have a feeling i just made alot of enemies.
Posted by: Kdr Kane
Let's just say that you didn't impress me, AK47. You seem to have reached the level of TheeMon. I haven't said anything about him. But, if you are going to start to defend him, I'm going to state that I've had enough of TheeMon. His posts are a waste of bandwidth and I tend to ignore them. I only go back and read them if I'm having trouble understanding what someone else is trying to say.
In general, I know it does no good to try to talk to TheeMon because he thinks the world revolves around him. He thinks he's being smart, funny and cute. He comes off like an idiot. Keep defending him if you want.
Posted by: Chako
Ak....you are correct about not making friends here (Mostly me)....You will note that this debate was a friendly one (I like a good friendly argument just like everyone else...and the little debate Nova and I had was very civil and very fun)...however...you interrupted it with no input whatsoever...you more or less told us to shut up....well...good thing I was not personally there when you did that..for I took that kind of comment very VERY personally... You show no respect to others. It is all too easy to talk big in postings....well you just continue to insult me with your ravings....I am not impressed.
You think I am telling anyone how to live their lives? I think you need to reread my postings....I don't think you got any point of all of this.
You think I need to take drugs....I think you need to get a life. As for making fun of Theemon....there is one thing in life I do not like above all...this is unjust accusations based on ignorance....I do not make much fun of Theemon (The only time I do is because of his awful spelling and sentence structure…but you will note I am not the only one that does this either). Also, please show the post where I so horribly put down Thee...I dare you to show proof of my single minded evil intents towards him. You say that you would not like me as a teacher...is this because I care too much about other people. That because someone on here starts saying how cool drugs are and how good they are, that I might try to persuade them differently? I think I should count my lucky blessings that you are not in my class. Not for what I would do to you, but for what you might do to me. I respect him as I respect all in here...even you (After this post though….you lost it man). I am just trying to make him see that taking any drug is not good. I see it all the time at school. As for Marijuana smoking being this "GREAT THING FOR THE MASSES"...well then I disagree with you to the fullest extent possible. You want to rant...you had better not make it so personal. Oh by the way...get someone to wash out your mouth with some lye soap...I think had your parents done so by now...perhaps your manners (or at the very least, your language) would be better.
Why the hell should I private msg you for any of this...if I got something to say to you...I shall say it loud and clear.
Oh by the way..its Chako..not cako
Posted by: redwench
oh dear......
*runs and hides behind laggy*
Posted by: Kdr Kane
AK47,
Unlike you, I don't think TheeMon's posts are funny. Even he doesn't think they are funny. He doesn't get why you think they are funny. You know why? Because you should be worried about him. You are seeing something there that instead, you should really pity.
Chako is a very moderate person. I'm a bit more heavy handed. I just exercise my displeasure by ignoring or squelching people. But, don't go after my friends. We are not hanging out in BNet because of children like TheeMon.
It's your choice if you want to join his ranks or not.
Posted by: Null Actor
Alright people, keep it civil. Rants and Raves is a forum for that kind of thing... but no one said anything about losing civility.
AK47: This forum is NOT for personal attacks. If you go on a personal attack like that again, you are going to get a stiff warning, then get a suspension.
No one is here to attack anyone else. If they are, they should go find a different board. The trend I am seeing is not attacking theemon... it's attacking theemon's habit. There is a difference. I doubt even theemon himself thinks his habits are good ones.
Now, I'm going to leave this thread open, cause there is probably still some decent arguing to be had, but like I said before, KEEP IT CIVIL.
Posted by: Chako
I am in 100% agreement with Nova.
Posted by: redwench
*hides behind nova instead*
Posted by: redwench
with respect to picking on theemon, i think most of us just want him to write his posts in something vaguely resembling standard english. and have them relevant to the discussion at hand. theemons posts, what little i can decipher, arent funny.
but, theemon does have blue hair, so thats a point in his favor. theemon, dye it dark blue and it will be perfect.
now, wasnt this topic about caffiene?
baskin robbins mocha cappachino blast (yes, i know, i spelled it wrong) is an excellent way to get a nice intake of caffiene, sugar, and cold stuff. great in the summer.
Posted by: Shalome
Yup, wench.. caffeine. Mmmm, coffee. Nice, safe-to-discuss, coffee.
-Shalome
Posted by: ~Binabik~
umm coffee. that stuff used to get me though lots of sleepless nights....
I really started in University. I drank about 5 liters of dark, hot brew
But it was a trip to south-america that opened my eyes (or should i say palate ?). From Brazil to Colombia, i tasted so many different flavors. There really is no need to add anything to the multiple natural flavors of coffee. These days, I'm particularly taken with the italian expresso that i make with a mix of Brazilian and Kenyan beans. And i can tell you there is nothing for me over a cup of "café" shared with some friends, on an endless evening.
Posted by: Shalome
Binabik, you sound like a coffee commercial targeted towards sentimental older women.
Posted by: redwench
you noticed that too?
coffee is coffee for the most part. stop waxing sentimental about it.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by Nova Z
Just out of curiosity Chako... what are your thoughts on alcohol?
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Hmmm, if you asked me, these are my thoughts on alcohol:
http://canislupus.opentechsupport.n...ctorsadvice.jpg
Posted by: MK
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Call it what you wanna call it, but I'm a f-ing alcoholic
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Said by Xzibit in his song "Alkaholic"
I think you would relate Laggy
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by MK
I think you would relate Laggy
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Hmm, and why is that?
Posted by: TotalRecall
This thread highlights a large portion of my angst against rappers.
Posted by: Outlaw
Xzibit rulez.
Posted by: redwench
this thread is not about rappers!
caffiene!!!!!
Posted by: laborat
I was just wondering if anybody else out there thought
that coffee merchants were behind the Boston Tea Party.
Posted by: AK47
Laggy- thats one of the funniest pics Ive ever seen LOL..good work.
laborat- I thought the tea mearchants were behind it.
Posted by: Gerbilo
i just watched traffic, nutty huh
i'm late on this topic cause i haven't bothered to post here in a few days.... , i know this is going back on i guess old issues, but oh well... sue me..
i'm tempted to call some people pig****ers, but that is just the part of me that calls everything a pig****er.... anyway.... l i'm gonna stand by AK on this one, he is my friend and i know him much better than the rest of you(at least i hope so :0) his attacks on 'cako'!!!! weren't completely neccessary, but oh well, it happens when ppl get pissed, you should hear me on AIM and ICQ sometimes....
anyway, i can see where some of what chako has been saying came from, kane, well, i'm just not gonna say anything, i should read more.... i have no problem with Theemon(BTW, he is getting all the attention that you people say he wants thee is part of the insanity factor, a few people are, this factor makes some bizzare posts that can mean little, it makes any forums i've ever been at 2x as amusing.... if you ask me, i would rather have xon spelling wrong, AK screaming "avs win!!!" , thee jabbering about his blue hair, MK yelling "pron wins!!!", bish yelling kekakkekekakek, myself yelling "*giraffe noise*", that's all i can think of off the top of my head.....
as for the reeeeeefer, i dunno, i see no probs with it as long as it doesn't take over your life, similar to alcohol and cigarettes(but probably healthier heh) anything harder than that, i dunno, that can get pretty nasty, i guess someone is gonna come and tell me what i've said wrong in the last few sentences now, huh..... oh well,
does this mean i'm an AK martyr? is AK jesus? *laughs*
pah, throwing tea could be fun, i would rather tar and feather tax collectors though!
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