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DX 9 f. XP too agressive ? major sound-crashing
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Posted by: Atlanaź©
salute peers,
I'm having major issues with - i believe its the cause -
DX9. Since the upgrade from DX8.1 to DX9 modern games that
utilize it, crash the sound-output randomly in time. It
then suddenly stuck in an endless loop of half a second of
sounds that had been played then. It's totally random WHEN
it actually happens, can be within first 5 minutes of the
game, can happen after 30 minutes. Games that do not
utilize DX (i believe) like MASTER OF ORION III can run
for hours. Interesting factoid is, the higher the DX-3D-version-features are used, the faster it craps out on me. Funny thing is, i do NOT have this problem in
win98 1st Ed. - only in WinXPpro. I thought it'd be my
soundcard, which i upgraded meanwhile, but still the same
problem. I still can play the game further, just the sound
is stuck. SOMETHIMES though the ENTIRE system freezes up
instead of just a 'sound-loop-crash'.
I'm running XPpro+SP1, used to run SoundBlaster 16PCI, now
running a brandspanking-new SoundBlaster AUDIGY LS (board
revision SB0312), Geforce4 440MX (AGP), standard PC133
Ram, AMD Duron 1300 and my Motherboard is a GIGABYTE GA-
7IXEH (which is supposely AC97 and PCI 2.3 compliant) ALL
DX9 featured diagnosis test are completed w/o trouble. no
visible conflicts in IRQ, memory-ranges or DMA. Needless
to say that my drivers are current. I tried the VIA 4in1
chipset-drivers - but no change. Also i tried to deactivate HARDWARE ACCELERATIONS for AUDIO DEVICES, but no luck there either.
to say it blunt - i'm at the end of my little computer
wisdom, and i'm desperate! i'm open for any suggestions -
please!
thx-a-thon in advance
cheers
Atlanaź©
Posted by: BACONHEDDv6.6.6
Not an answer for ya,-sorry,but I'm having some similiar probs too.And my setup is actually fairly close on a lot of hardware.I have random audio "skips" every time I play an mp3 in Winamp,and when I watch video clips.I have an XP Pro Corp. with SP1a,AMD Athlon,VIA chipset,GeForce4 440MX,and I've run both a SB Live 5.1 Value and a SB Audigy in it.I've got latest drivers for the sound,Via 4-in-1,latest video drivers,DX passes/certifies ok,etc.MY sound started doing "funky" things too,as soon as I hit Direct-X 9... I've just recently installed D-X 9.0b.Corrected nothing . Sorry I don't have the answer,but I'll be looking for it too.(I consider myself lucky though- sound only skips a bit,not loops or lockups...)But-it must be D-X related I think,because all of the hardware mentioned was in use at one time or another with Direct-X 8.xx,and was fine.Either that-or it's directly related to XP Pro,in how it utilizes D-X,a more native XP/Pro prob.I'm not sure if I had D-X 9.xx installed on ME before I switched/upgraded to XP Pro...that would maybe narrow it down at least.
Posted by: Atlanaź©
Hear, Hear...
You/we're not the only ones who are having those issues - i was checking around with my buddies, and found 3 other peeps who are having also lock-ups/sound crashing+disappearing issues after playing games for a while. So it MUST be a DX9 issue in combo with XP. 
Maybe its something freaky like we had with those VIA 686 southbridge chipset issues and soundblaster cards that randomly ****ed up your data on u'r HDDs and crashed them ?
freaky part is, not even on the DX-audio dev. boards of microsoft i get any response, which usually means nobody has a clue about it! 
cheers
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Posted by: BACONHEDDv6.6.6
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...not even on the DX-audio dev. boards of microsoft i get any response, which usually means nobody has a clue about it!
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LMFAO !!
Well-I may have at least narrowed it down a bit more... I just put in a fresh ME install on my XP Pro machine recently (dual-boot now).I went over and tested the audio on the SAME machine,with the SAME hardware as I mentioned above,and the SAME Direct-X 9.0b,with the SAME software.
Hmmm.Guess what I found out? My random audio skips are GONE!!
It's *gotta* be how XP Pro interacts/implements/uses Direct-X.
Oh crap.
Posted by: Atlanaź©
well, thing is, XP dosent really allow direct HW access for ANY program, whereas win9x (which winME is) does.
So i suspect it its inbetween game - DX9 - HAL (the 'redirector' for hardware access in XP/w2k/NT windows) its screwed, that at someplace the audio/memory streams/locations get screwed over. maybe some buffer overflow ?
can anyone with programming experience validate that?
cheers
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Posted by: ATCMASTA
I Have
Win XP Pro No SP
450 mHz 256 MB SD
Aureal Vortex 8830 Sound Card
I have the same problem with sound crashes, mainly in winamp.
I use winamp 2, because of my crappy pc.
But I believe I don't have DirectX 9.0 I couldn
't find anything by a simple search for direct on c:\ no
setup or dirext.exe just 1 folder called directx in
windows\system32 with a folder Dinput and websetup
Can't find DirectX in software. So do i have an other problem ?
I Can't play recent games so i have no real need for it. Only games installed are Unreal Tournament, Warcraft III (which uses directx 8.1 or above) and maybe i still have Tactical Ops and Quake 3 installed.
I always thought my sound crashes had something to do with windows updates. After a clean installation sounds works perfectly for a few months most of the time. But when the sounds crashes once it isn
't hard to crash it twice.
I have found a patch for this problem for my card but a simple test of 10 minutes mp3 playing in winamp proved the patch didn't quite do it.
Gr33tzZz ATCM
Posted by: xmp55
omg! me too!
upgraded to WinXP PRO
.. mainly in Winamp it starts doing random skips it's horrible!!!
BACONHEDDv6.6.6 did u ever figure this one out?
i really need this fixed.
Posted by: xmp55
OMG!!! about 30 minutes after i left the previous post i fixed my problem!!
it don't skip no more yay!!!
now that i'm a winner, i think i deserve the right to use my own custom avatar 
Posted by: xmp55
nevermind..
still skips.
Posted by: Atlanaź©
well i'm back after x-mas is over
it has beena while since i posted in here, but meanwhile i upgraded my system - two reasons; SW GALAXIES and SW KOTOR :P
i've replaced my old Motherboard with a new ASUS A7V600 which uses the new VIA KT600 chipset w. FSB400, RAID controller, 5-7 USB2 ports, Gigabit NIC and a decent on-bard SOUNDMAX chipset. IMHO a very good/reliable mid-level board for about 80-90 USD.
Needless to say that i had to upgrade my CPU and my memory too and out of convenience my 3D videoboard also.
MY config is now like this - withthe SAME windowsXPpro BTW that i had with the old hardware, so NO new windows installation:
- ASUS A7V600 mainboard
- Athlon XP 2600+ w. the 'new' Barton Core and FSB333, overclocked to an Athlon XP 3200+
- SOUNDMAX on-board chip AND my soundblaster 16PCI parallel. The SOUNDMAX is configured for 5.1 surround-sound and the SB 16PCI is for microfone, since the SOUNDMAX-plugs can be configured for either 2 speaker/microfone/line-in or 2 front-speaker/2 back-speaker/microfone or 5.1 dolby-surround - which is kinda nifty
- 1 gig 2700'er DDR ram
- GeforceFX 5700ultra
well what can i say, my problems are gone, so it's my believe, that DX9 HAS issues with certain older chipsets, that it's using a 'new' way of addressing/accessing memory/chipset-commands that older chipsets cant handle well - or a plain, dumb programmer-error/glitch
cheers
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