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UN to Control Internet?
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Posted by: fibbi
The critics argue that the internet is a public resource that should be managed by national governments and, at an international level, by an intergovernmental body such as the International Telecommunications Union, the UN agency that is organising the information summit.
Defenders of the status quo say handing over power to governments could threaten the untrammelled flow of information and ideas that many see as the very essence of the borderless internet.
But these arguments appear to be losing force against the emergence of new challenges such as unwanted advertising ("spam"), privacy and security worries, hate speech and child pornography, which have convinced many governments of the need for international regulation and enforcement.
Uh ohh...
Posted by: trekpsycho
There goes the nieghborhood!
Posted by: Cinderno4
Eh? What's this mean? Wouldn't it be a good thing?
Posted by: TotalRecall
Sure, because regulation always works out for the best, right?
Posted by: scire
That wont end well.
Posted by: chaosisreality
And the UN controls exactly what now anyway?
Posted by: Cinderno4
Yeah.. maybe I'm totally missing something here, but here's what I see: the U.N. wants to not let individual countries control the internet and instead let it be controlled by the U.N. which wants to allow the free communication of ideas and reductiong of child porn and hate speech. What's the bad here? What regulations are sucky here? Sounds to me like they are taking away regulations...
Posted by: SKYHN
Nobody should control the internet. Its the only truly 'place' in the world where everyone really has freedom.
Although internet crimes should still be punished.
Posted by: fibbi
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Originally posted by Cinderno4
Yeah.. maybe I'm totally missing something here, but here's what I see: the U.N. wants to not let individual countries control the internet and instead let it be controlled by the U.N. which wants to allow the free communication of ideas and reductiong of child porn and hate speech. What's the bad here? What regulations are sucky here? Sounds to me like they are taking away regulations...
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Yeah dude, its not like california is dominating and cencoring the internet.
However, when we all need to go through 7 layers each time we try to post on OTS...you get the picture.
Posted by: trekpsycho
Well, think about it. How many countries who don't believe in free speech belong to the UN? Do you really want these countries helping to decide what you can and cannot put on the net? I know that the down side of the net is the things like child porn and hate speech, but if the countries who are pushing the regulation issue were really all that concerned about those things, they would help shut them down. I know that's a lot easier to say than do but where does more regulation help? After all, there's always gonna be some way around the regulators. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. I just don't think that regulating the net is going to do much other than to stifle people's freedom.
Posted by: redwench
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Originally posted by SKYHN
Nobody should control the internet. Its the only truly 'place' in the world where everyone really has freedom.
Although internet crimes should still be punished.
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pick one. you cannot have both.
Posted by: SKYHN
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Originally posted by redwench
pick one. you cannot have both.
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Yeah you can. Im not talking about petty stuff like filesharing and whatever, im talking about the serious crimes like stealing credit card info, hacking a companies webserver, etc. You can still have a free internet and have punishment for that by whichever country your in.
Posted by: redwench
in which case, they control the internet for that country. or havent you heard about the things considered crimes in china, iran, india, etc?
Posted by: SKYHN
And of course we know those countries already follow UN rules and regulations...
Punishing for an internet crime does not take away from its freedom, as a crime on the internet isnt just eletronic. Hacking hurts everybody, thus it should be punished. Joe Schmo writing that his congressman sucks shouldnt be punished. There shouldnt be taxes on anything over the net, its a free trade environment. Even the major chains of just about every store sells on the internet and its a huge buisness. We dont need stamps, taxes or other regulations on emails.
The UN taking over wont change much at all if anything.
Posted by: Null Actor
You realize that by speaking your opinion you are most likely breaking the law in many countries.
Posted by: SKYHN
Thats where the first part of my last message comes in.
Posted by: laborat
regulation by UN is just a smokescreen. what govts. are trying to do is figure out ways to make money i.e. tax, regulate, impose use fees, fines for surfing too fast etc. etc.
I personally think the UN is a joke or is just a dumping ground for idiots posing as diplomats. who the hell would really let the superpowers have veto power over anything that comes up? yet that is what is done, day in and day out.
To have the UN in charge of anything is tantamount to creating chaos out of some semblance of order within what we affectionately call the net. I wouldn't be surprised if someone there demanded that the UN control the phone lines to all countrys in the world. An automatic veto I am sure by US interests.
The latest flurry of UN diplomatic activity besides debriefing their reps from IRAQ on how the war is going, is taking the Secretary General to task for banning smoking inside the UN. Evidently it has become a serious enough issue that the Sec General better not take any plane trips to Africa. These are not the kind of folks I want regulating my internet.
Actually it would be nice to have all the types of govt. interferences go away but that is wishful thinking. The only reason they havent messed with it yet is they still are behind the learning curve on how to manipulate it. (I think current manipulations of the Stock Markets, Futures Trading, and International Banking deserve their own catagories.)
Congress is still divided over how to tax the internet. States are screaming that state taxes on domestic goods are being circumvented by internet sales. The big boys know there is money to be made there but they would rather WE figure it out for them.
Ask yourself (in any venture really not just the internet), who controls the access? who runs the concession stands? who installs what and who repairs what and for how much? Who decides what content is permissable and what is not? what form does the prevailing currency take? money? ideas? services? Who has the power to take it all away if they don't like what is going on?
Posted by: redwench
you're missing the point. the fact that you think anti-government speech is fine and dandy, doesnt mean the goverments do. and that you dismiss out of hand all the many countries that have laws about speech that differ from ours is really putting blinkers on. canada has laws regarding "hate speech", that most of us would consider disgusting, but legitimate opinions. most of us also think government critique is perfectly ok, but its not in many countries. that actually DO follow UN guidelines.
You cannot say the internet is freedom, and that only crimes that hurt you should be prosecuted. you either prosecute them all, or none of them. if you think were free, post somewhere, in an offhand manner, that you think the president should be shot. see what happens.
Posted by: trekpsycho
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in which case, they control the internet for that country. or havent you heard about the things considered crimes in china, iran, india, etc?
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That is true, but I don't want someone from these countries helping to decide how I should use the internet.
Posted by: covenantazkiker
well im against any form of censorship/regulation blah! by doing that they would be taking away the very essence that made the internet that successful.
what would they think of next, huh?
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Posted by: redwench
The internet is already censored. and im sure if our government, or any other for that matter, gets its way, its going to get worse.
Posted by: trekpsycho
Of course it is, that is the nature of government. People in government cannot resist the temptation to regulate something, after all "for their own good" (place sarcastic emphasis here) or because they feel threatened. They think that we are not competent to judge for ourselves what is good or bad for us. Face it, as long as their are governments, there will be censorship of one sort or another. Not to mention the fact that the money-grubbers break out in a cold sweat at the thought of all that activity that is going on that could be taxed, etc. to generate revenue for their favorite pork barrel.
Posted by: Ocean
they now have porn in afghanistan.
Posted by: Cthulu
Don't worry people.....
Any losses of civil liberties is of no concern to us decent folk. After all...... you KNOW they will only use their power on " the bad guys "
Posted by: chaosisreality
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This one yhas been brainwashed by the propaganda, I think.
Posted by: Cthulu
No " not " by propaganda ...." I wash my own brain ! "
Posted by: fibbi
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Originally posted by Cthulu
Don't worry people.....
Any losses of civil liberties is of no concern to us decent folk. After all...... you KNOW they will only use their power on " the bad guys "
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Please tell me you're joking.
Well, maybe internet cencorship would be good in one regard. If someone could install cyber-sitter or something of that line on Bush's computer, then maybe he'd stop reading conspiracy theories on the internet and basing his foreign policy on them.
Posted by: Cthulu
No , I think he must use his Magic 8 ball!
Posted by: covenantazkiker
how come someone always comes up to tell what's right or wrong for me huh? are we not competent to judge things for ourselves? c'mon guys let's show them how mature and proper we are..... can you please pass that recipe book to me?...no! not that coffee truffle cake! that one to the right with the red cover!.. yes! "A do-it yourself C4"
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"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the onlyway
to be sure."
Posted by: Cinderno4
immense number of mature, responsible people < more immense number of stupid, idiotic people
Majority rules.
Posted by: chaosisreality
You just decribed the UN.
Posted by: Cthulu
Unfortunately I can picture the U.N. trying to control the internet. Thing is they can hardly ever agree; and, when and if they do, if its not to our ( U.S.A.s') government's liking, won't we just ignore it anyway?
Posted by: fibbi
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Originally posted by Cthulu
Unfortunately I can picture the U.N. trying to control the internet. Thing is they can hardly ever agree; and, when and if they do, if its not to our ( U.S.A.s') government's liking, won't we just ignore it anyway?
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Dude, by "control the internet", they mean have all the central ip assigning and dns listings etc on central servers in a UN controlled place, and having pretty much the power to kill any packet of data they dislike.
Its really not something you can ignore.
Posted by: covenantazkiker
hmm... sounds like the TRON movie concept to me... but this time it's practically real..
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"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way
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