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First PSP screenshots
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Posted by: SKYHN
The index pics are blank, but just click a box and it will still show the pic. Whoever put them up didnt code the page right or something.
http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/...creenindex.html
Posted by: AltronHGX
They work for me, bruh http://www.darkintellect.com/altron/h34rt.gif
Posted by: SKYHN
Thats cuz they fixed them 
Posted by: AltronHGX
seriously?
Posted by: Bobaroo
r u serious; you cannot be serious
Posted by: compukeith
Anyway, are there any pics of the actual console yet?
Posted by: SKYHN
Of course, they have been posted before:
http://skyhn.opentechsupport.net/pspphoto1s.jpg
http://skyhn.opentechsupport.net/pspphotos.jpg
http://skyhn.opentechsupport.net/pspnews2.jpg
Its bigger than that picture makes it look. The screen is about 4 inches.
Posted by: ptomic
Alot of people are saying "How is GBA supposed to compete with that?"
Posted by: SwizzleStick
How is GBA DS supposed to compete with that?
Posted by: Daemonicus
Dangit! I knew putting games on mini-discs was a good idea. I thought of the idea years ago when mini-disc players first came out, Why didn't I say something to Nintendo? Why!?
 AHHHHHH CRAP! Nintendo's DS better be cool. Otherwise, they just might go out of business.  
Posted by: Null Actor
It's not on minidiscs.
It's a different format. Minidiscs couldn't hold enough data for a game, or a movie for that matter.
Posted by: SKYHN
Yeah, its a new format sony is going to be pushing(they have plans to replace memory sticks on digital cameras with it, but not for a while).
Its called "Universal Media Disc" and holds 1.8gb of data. I think it can be dual layered as well.
Posted by: Ocean
dvd tech on a small disk?
i think the dual screen aspect of the nintendo one sucks ass. but i wanna play my ps games on this one
Posted by: Null Actor
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Originally posted by Ocean
i think the dual screen aspect of the nintendo one sucks ass.
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How can you possibly think that when you know absolutely *nothing* about the DS?
Posted by: SKYHN
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Originally posted by Ocean
dvd tech on a small disk?
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I dont think its DVD. Its something that sony started developing along side of BluRay, but it uses a different type of laser. The laser unit is supposedly pretty cheap to make and is very reliable and is also quite small. The thing I read said it was gonna be used in still image digital cameras(with rewritable discs) to replace the memory stick. It said that the memory sticks arent going to be able to hold enough data for the needs of the higher pixel cameras coming up in the next few years. IMO, flash cards were too small when we got to 4mp. Ive got a 256mb card for my 4mp cam and if I go on a trip, I gotta download that damn thing daily. I wanted to get some more cards but their too damn expensive.
Posted by: Rifter
Honestly though the double lcd display does sound like a gimmick. I don't see how having 2 lcds can be that great, let alone a reason to go buy a handheld over another. Yes, I know about the touch screen honestly though a touch screen isn't going to be the end all to handhelds.
I have a PDA and using the stylus is a pain after long periods. Especially when you need to enter text. Gaming isn't that great unless you play board game type games. You'll be hard pressed to find any other type of genre to use it for any real effects. I suppose RPGs coud use it rather than using buttons, but that is about it. I don't see adventure games taking use of it anytime soon.
Posted by: Ocean
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Originally posted by Null Actor
How can you possibly think that when you know absolutely *nothing* about the DS?
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because ive seen the videos of how the gameplay is on the two screens. and one of the screens for most games seems to have quite useless info. it will be great for rpg. but id rather have one big screen or two screens side by side unless im playing pinball or an rpg.
it will probably be good for the conventional gb moneymaker games, the rpg and strat games. but not for the type of game i would be most likely to want to play, or the games of those i would buy the system for - would want to play.
kinda seems like a waste when it has 3d power to cram it on 1 small screen, and ising another screen to relay non 3d info (text, maps, etc. than to have one big 3d playground.
Posted by: AK47
After seeing and reading about the DS, I can certainly say it looks about a hundred times more appealing than the PSP.
Not a single thing about the PSP looks interesting. The DS looks like it has the hardware, price point and most importantly, the games to render the PSP all but worthless (certainly not worth whatever Sony will end up charging).
Posted by: Null Actor
It's moot. Nintendo signed their death warrant when they made the DS 3d, and decided to compete directly with sony.
Posted by: AK47
You don't think they needed to go after Sony?
Sony's price point will hurt them, but there still seems to be a group of people looking forward to the psp. Those people will probably buy one regardless, but for everyone else, Nintendo just popped in with an innovative system for cheaper. Nintendo looks like they're just going to capitolize off of the hype the psp will create.... thats fine.
Why do you think Nintendo is screwed?
Posted by: Null Actor
Because with the DS, they kill profit margins on handheld games. It means that developers now have no financial reason to pick the DS over the PSP. And when that happens, developers will always pick the system with the most power. Not only that, but no longer will ten developers be able to make a game in six months; they'll have to dedicate to a full budget and dev cycle.
Posted by: AK47
interesting.
Developers will always pick the system with most power? Maybe you see it that way as a developer, but that doesnt explain why there are good exclusives on the PS2 (virtua fighter, MGS3, castlevania) that either dont come out on the xbox or they end up coming out a year later. It seems like developers (smart ones at least) put their stuff on the system that gives them the biggest audience and most potential to sell coppies. I'm sure system power is a factor, but making money is number one. If the DS wildly outsells the PSP, will developers still go for the system with the better graphics?
Saying the DS is going to kill Nintendo's profit margins is odd because, while it is true, the fact that the psp was already going to put a dent in Nintendo's domination of the handheld segment is also true. I don think the GBA could compete with the flashy new PSP. Nintendo must agree.
What advantages does the GBA have over the PSP. Cheaper? Hell yeah. It's well established? Yup. It has Nintendo porting classics and making new classics for it? Definately.
Well, The DS has all that going for it too:
Cheaper than the psp
It's established in the sense that Nintendo means hand held
It has Nintendo making games for it
I dont know... I see what you're saying, but I really think Nintendo had to respond to the PSP. The PSP could be big... Nintendo didnt want to risk loosing their dominance of the market by sitting idle.
Posted by: SKYHN
Do you actually thing that Sony or Nintendo would let the competition have a cheaper system than them at launch?
I liked both of these systems at first, but now Im starting to dislike them. The PSP cuz their talking crazy about it. Gamespot has a story up saying that they think its gonna have a lifespan of 10 years. Yeah right. This isnt 1989. Even the original Gameboy didnt have a 10 year lifespan. And that would also mean that game prices would always stay the same, booo. And im disliking the DS because its game lineup is basically all Nintendo, and its not a pure gaming machine. WiFi multiplayer with just 1 cartridge is great, thats something that should be there. But wtf do I need a phonebook and a day planner in my gameboy for. They shoulda went with a pure gaming machine.
Posted by: AK47
Uh....somebody is going to have a cheaper system at launch and I dont think it will be Sony's Üuber hand held device.
Posted by: Rifter
For those of you touting the game library of the DS read this.
Yes, the DS will have a massive library of games, but who is gonna drag an old ass orig. gameboy game out of that dusty box in their closet? I loved the gameboy, don't get me wrong, but its time has come and gone. There are some titles that I still love and would consider playing, but for the most part I enjoy the newer games just as much or more.
The point is that there is going to be a massive library for the dS, but most of it will older games that many don't play. It is my belief that the DS will come out with some very good games, but that the PSP will come out with more of the quality games that we have come to love with the Playstation and Playstation 2. Although, I do admit that Nintendo's systems have had some great games come out, but the majority of games for, say gamecube suck. (imo) That is mainly for the age group that most nintendo games try to sell to; ie: younger teens.
PSP will have more games along the lines of GTA, Resident Evil, Metal Gear, etc. How many games can Nintendo say they have...that were orig. on gamecube?
That is my rant on the game issu.
Posted by: RAcastClarke
Sorry for sounding like a newbie here..
But, how much is the PSP and DS going to cost, respectively?
Also, the DS is the new handheld Nintendo is coming out with? Does it support Advance/old game boy games as well? What is the format of those games? When it is going to be released?
The PSP, Playstation Portable...what's the deal with that? (release, format, etc.)
Sorry, just curious.
Thanks.
Posted by: AK47
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Originally posted by Rifter
For those of you touting the game library of the DS read this.
Yes, the DS will have a massive library of games, but who is gonna drag an old ass orig. gameboy game out of that dusty box in their closet? I loved the gameboy, don't get me wrong, but its time has come and gone. There are some titles that I still love and would consider playing, but for the most part I enjoy the newer games just as much or more.
The point is that there is going to be a massive library for the dS, but most of it will older games that many don't play. It is my belief that the DS will come out with some very good games, but that the PSP will come out with more of the quality games that we have come to love with the Playstation and Playstation 2. Although, I do admit that Nintendo's systems have had some great games come out, but the majority of games for, say gamecube suck. (imo) That is mainly for the age group that most nintendo games try to sell to; ie: younger teens.
PSP will have more games along the lines of GTA, Resident Evil, Metal Gear, etc. How many games can Nintendo say they have...that were orig. on gamecube?
That is my rant on the game issu.
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Well first off, I dont see anyone saying the DS will rock due to the backwards compatibility with old GB and GBA games. Thats just a nice bonus.
Secondly... the majority of gamecube games suck? I think its safe to say that the majority of all games on all systems suck. There's alot of crap out there and the crap is not specific to any one console.
The only thing I got from your post was the PSP will have GTA, Res. Evil and Metal Gear. Nintendo can counter that with Mario, Zelda and Metroid so what's your point?
All I can see is that there are other factors that we can discuss since no games are playable yet. In terms of the actual hardware, I think the DS looks more promising.
Posted by: SKYHN
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Originally posted by AK47
Uh....somebody is going to have a cheaper system at launch and I dont think it will be Sony's Üuber hand held device.
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Where are you getting that the PSP is just gonna be so much more expensive than the DS? The hardware in the DS costs more than the PSP. 2 LCD's, one of them a touch screen. Most of the hardware in the PSP is based on PS2 technology, its not a from scratch system.
Your basing it off of what EGM said, they dont know jack. That was their pure speculation. Their source just like all the other magazines is what they talk about at their weekly roundtable. Wait til an official price is put out. Sony will not sell their handheld for more than their home console. The whole thing about the marketing of the PSP is its like having a PS2 on the go. Pricing them similar is the best way to market it. Nintendo wont do that because they dont market it as 'gamecube on the go'.
IMO, both DS and PSP will be $149.99. They will compete on the games level instead of the hardware, just like with the home consoles. Handhelds shouldnt be over $99 though.
Posted by: Ocean
ds instant messaging.
Posted by: Null Actor
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Originally posted by AK47
interesting.
Developers will always pick the system with most power? Maybe you see it that way as a developer, but that doesnt explain why there are good exclusives on the PS2 (virtua fighter, MGS3, castlevania) that either dont come out on the xbox or they end up coming out a year later. It seems like developers (smart ones at least) put their stuff on the system that gives them the biggest audience and most potential to sell coppies. I'm sure system power is a factor, but making money is number one. If the DS wildly outsells the PSP, will developers still go for the system with the better graphics?
Saying the DS is going to kill Nintendo's profit margins is odd because, while it is true, the fact that the psp was already going to put a dent in Nintendo's domination of the handheld segment is also true. I don think the GBA could compete with the flashy new PSP. Nintendo must agree.
What advantages does the GBA have over the PSP. Cheaper? Hell yeah. It's well established? Yup. It has Nintendo porting classics and making new classics for it? Definately.
Well, The DS has all that going for it too:
Cheaper than the psp
It's established in the sense that Nintendo means hand held
It has Nintendo making games for it
I dont know... I see what you're saying, but I really think Nintendo had to respond to the PSP. The PSP could be big... Nintendo didnt want to risk loosing their dominance of the market by sitting idle.
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You misunderstood me. The DS doesn't kill Nintendo's profit margins, it kills the developer's profit margins. The people actually making the games, because the games cost more to make, and will have less overall return.
The developers go where the money is. Why does the PS2 have so many exclusives? Because sony buys them. They throw money at developers until those developers give them something. I have no doubt they will do the same thing for the PSP.
Nintendo, however, does not do this. The only thing keeping people making games for the GBA is the fact that it is cheap and simple. Nintendo is killing that advantage. You are slightly correct in that developers will go for the system with the largest installed userbase... but what you don't see is that right now there is zero user base for either platform. That means the developers will choose the best system, or the one which provides them, directly, with the most money.
The PSP will sell because it is Sony, and there are tons of Playstation fanatics. Portable PS2? Sure! The DS, however, won't sell because all the nintendo fans already have GBAs, and they are new. Nintendo is trying to replace the GBA after three years, when realistically they should've waited another three or four at the absolute least. On top of that, have you seen the DS games? They are shit. They are either stupid (Sonic DS: Rub the screen to run faster! No other gameplay!), or ports (hello mario 64, I didn't like you the first time). Nintendo cannot get by on ports forever. People are already getting tired of seeing that on the GBA... and the n64 didn't exactly have a ton of quality games.
The other thing nintendo has against them is that since their system is 3d, they are going to have Bad Port Syndrome. Developers will make games for both the PSP and the GBA (Because ultimately, this is how you make the most money), but the PSP has the superior hardware. So games will ulimately look better on the PSP.
Posted by: Null Actor
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Originally posted by SKYHN
Where are you getting that the PSP is just gonna be so much more expensive than the DS? The hardware in the DS costs more than the PSP. 2 LCD's, one of them a touch screen. Most of the hardware in the PSP is based on PS2 technology, its not a from scratch system.
Your basing it off of what EGM said, they dont know jack. That was their pure speculation. Their source just like all the other magazines is what they talk about at their weekly roundtable. Wait til an official price is put out. Sony will not sell their handheld for more than their home console. The whole thing about the marketing of the PSP is its like having a PS2 on the go. Pricing them similar is the best way to market it. Nintendo wont do that because they dont market it as 'gamecube on the go'.
IMO, both DS and PSP will be $149.99. They will compete on the games level instead of the hardware, just like with the home consoles. Handhelds shouldnt be over $99 though.
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The news at E3 was DS: 150$, PSP: 300$.
I believe it. The PSP has things against it for price: Higher resolution LCD, faster processor and better 3d, Lithium Ion batter all add up to $$$.
The DS has all cheap parts. Two LCDs which are the same as what the GBA already has, so they are already in full prodution. Sony will have to get theirs custom made. The DS's processors are 10 year old tech; the PSP's are ~4 year old.
There's a chance sony will just sell the PSP at a huge loss, but I doubt it. However, if they chose to meet nintendo on the price point, Nintendo will burn, and Sony will be king of handhelds within three years (for next gen; the gba will still cling to life for a while).
Though, now that I think about it, it would be in sony's best interest to meet nintendo's price point regardless of how much they may lose in the meantime. Because it will deliver unto them the handheld market on a silver platter.
Posted by: Null Actor
Just a small addition: traditionally nintendo takes a large chunk of the game's profit because of the cartridge game format, and this isn't going to change. The media alone on the PSP will be significantly cheaper and will result in greater profit margins for developers.
Posted by: SKYHN
The thing about the DS LCD, how is it the same one they have been using if the bottom is a touch screen?
Posted by: Null Actor
Touch screens have nothing to do with the LCDs themselves.
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