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Posted by: Spork Lover
It's actually the same exact engine as the one in the MR2. You say that as if it were weak though  It's not weak when you put it all into perspective. The US's 190hp Toyota engine is much more powerful than the British 125hp version. Good 'ol US of A and our power addiction!
Posted by: Bix VT
no no no, I know it's not weak. 190hp is plently for me, heck I enjoy my 124hp engine.
But then again...if you could manage to shoehorn a 454 from a '70 'Velle SS in there...
Posted by: Gerbilo
The Lotus Elise is badass. Most people have no clue what it is about.
I have a video of an Elise and a Z06 running on a track... the Elise passes and pulls on the Z06 throughout the laps... It should be in direct competition with a car like.. the S2000... they are two of the best handling cars of all time.
as for the mustang.... i'd say fluke or something is screwy...
94-95 were both the 5.0, I know, my friend had one of each...
http://www.edmunds.com/used/1995/fo...idenav..6.Ford*
http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc....GT%20Coupe%202D
Posted by: Bix VT
Hmm. Maybe the dealer was just screwing with him then. Or didn't know what he was talking about. But it's definately a '95 with 4.6 badging everywhere it needs it...
odd.
Posted by: Gerbilo
Posted by: The-AoD
lol, a stang is a stang. I don't like'm. Never have, never will. I'd take a camaro over a stang anyday. Specially that mysterios Camaro with the GM built 302.. *Drool*
Damn ford and thier bitching on patents! They were just pissed cause GM had the better 302! 
Posted by: Bix VT
Yeah yeah, I've heard this whine before. Chevy could have simply called it the 303. Bore a few shavings out if you need to, the engine will still be the same. It's not Ford's fault that GM couldn't see this obvious solution.
Posted by: Cheese
Because putting millions of dollars of engineering in jeopardy to "bore a few shavings out if you need to," is such an obvious solution. Come on man, give em more credit than that. A motor isn't just something you can go messing around with like that.
Posted by: Bix VT
You can bore out just a small small amount...not enough to compromise the entire engine, just barely enough to avoid copyright complaints.
And I'm sure they could have called it the 303 and nobody would have known the difference. 1 cubic inch? just say it was a measurement error...
Posted by: AK47
I figure this is a suitable post for the car topic:
Pops just bought a new Acura TL.... ordered it about a month ago, car came in yesterday and we picked it up today. Anthracite Metalic (grey) with Quartz interior. Here's some pics:
First look at the car after all the paperwork was done:
http://img16.photobucket.com/albums/v48/allreet/hi.jpg
Front end:
http://img16.photobucket.com/albums...lreet/front.jpg
A shot of the interior from the passenger side. 8 speaker stereo capable of playing dvd-audio discs. Sounds like sex:
http://img16.photobucket.com/albums...et/interior.jpg
Here's the new car (acura) and the old car we traded in (toyota) side by side:
http://img16.photobucket.com/albums.../sidebyside.jpg
And here she is parked at home in the garage:
http://img16.photobucket.com/albums...llreet/home.jpg
Posted by: The-AoD
Nice  I always like the way the Acura's looked.
Posted by: Bix VT
Sweet. I really like the TL. I have only one problem with it: it's FWD. 270hp is a bit much for the front wheels to handle.
If they'd made it rear drive it would rival the BMW 5 Series, no doubt about it...
Posted by: Gerbilo
Al's car traded sides w/ the exploder? ahh!!!
that' doesn't look right in your garage at all!!!
Welcome to the Acura Club
Posted by: The-AoD
<--- Still wants an NSX.
Posted by: Spork Lover
Boring a few shaving can cause a ton of problems for an engine. For one, boring a few shaving without increasing the diameter of the pistons will cause many problems. One being that the piston rings will not be able to create a seal and you will get blow by, losing compression, losing power, and probably burning oil.
Ford cannot have a patent on an engine's displacement. They can have a patent on engine design, but not the displacement. That's why Ford and Chevy both have 302 engines. Chevy had a 302 out before Ford did too
Heh... your dad's TL is exactly configured like my buddy's .... except his has the 6 spd.... very fun.
Posted by: The-AoD
Actually, if you search, ford did place a lawsuit against general motors for the GM 302 back in 1968. They won the papent case and the GM 302 ceased in production. The 302 was widely used in a Camaro meant to be a "low" model. Until it proved itself to be very hefty combined with a nicely geared 4 speed. It could hold revs sometimes beyond 7000, and for that time period, it was insane. Specially when the shifting delay of your opponent could give you an advantage. Which, the 302 from GM created an advantage with it's extremely wide rev range. The 302 "Boss" that ford had in the time was no competition for the GM model. The boss could only press 5500 rpm before redlining, and that was in top models of the engine. The 302 from GM was supposed to be a small block v8, for a low end model of the camaro in a more affordable package, it just so happened to suprise alot of people. Many people today relic over the 302 design, which wasn't a direct decendent of the then widely used 327, but the design was similar. Ford let it slip for a year, after watching their top end mustangs being dominated by a low end model from GM, they threw the lawsuit up against them. The 302 lies dead in 1968, and that's where GM has left it.
Back in those days, patents didn't work the same ways they do today in all respect. And ford (must have) had a liable case to back themselves on. They won, and one of GM's greatest motors was then slain by the competition, even if it wasn't on the track.
The last known reminence of the 302 is scattered around the country, which there are conversion kits to make your own "302" out of a small block 350 block. The real 302's remain in history where some people scattered accross the nation own them. As a matter of fact, there is a guy who still has one of the original camaro's with the 302, and has the original car (without motor) in his garage. He uses the engine as a drag car in an excact replica, with "modifications" to better his scores. Quite a few years ago, I remember reading about him, his silver camaro was on the cover of a magazine, though I don't remember which one.
Posted by: Gerbilo
this is like the 400th time i've heard this
Posted by: The-AoD
Hey, I can't help it that I'm one of the few people who actually "know" about GM's 302, and want one of my own. I'd rather have one of those camaro's totally original, than a super McLaren or a Ferrari!
Posted by: Gerbilo
I'd rather have a Koenigsegg
Posted by: Bix VT
I'd heard of the 302 as well...it surprises me that so few have heard about it.
Spork lover: DUH! I wasn't talking about taking the engine, boring it out and leaving all the other parts the same. OBVIOUSLY you'd have to change the pistons, heads, seals and all that good stuff. I was talking about a modification in the DESIGN, not an aftermarket job.
I'm not engine-illiterate.
Posted by: Spork Lover
Im a fan of the GM 302... Im pretty up to date on my GM racing info too...and the 302 was the corner stone of the SCCA effort. My understanding is that the 302 was produced just for the SCCA. When the SCCA allowed the destroking of the 350, the need for a production 302 went away.... and thats what ended the chevy 302.
Im still looking for info on a Ford lawsuit against GM for the 302...in fact none of my car buddies have heard of it either. I would like to hear what grounds Ford would have, since the GM design is radically different, and GM had the first 302. GM had a over square, understroked design, 4 inch piston bore, with a 3 inch stroke. Ford went with a more square configuration...longer stroke, smaller bore. Thats why they lacked the high RPM turning ability.
Posted by: Pepsi-Man[OTS]
im not to sure still. everytime i think nabout it i change my mind. or every time i see another car i change my mind again... i guess i could settle for a lamburghini diablo
Posted by: Bix VT
Ooooh diablo...
Hmm, I think I'd have to get an 1993 Diablo VT though...the new VTs just don't have the same soul. And obviously I couldn't get an SV...
Posted by: The-AoD
Just get a 1986 Pontiac Fiero and get the Lambo body kit hahhahaha
The GM 302, was designed as a low end model, as I said. Brought forth for a "Cheaper" low-end model camaro. Just like fords smaller/cheaper designed mustangs of the era. Upon the realease of the camaro, it showed it's true strength. There used to be a website based on GM engines, where it described the lawsuit pretty clearly. I don't remember where it was, as I haven't needed to search for it in a long time.
But yeah, if you were to take enough shavings out of a 350, to make it a 351, it would cause some differences that would have to be made to keep any real similarities.
Posted by: Gerbilo
If I ever have a shit load of money, I think it would be really cool to have a section of my warehouse sized garage that has a Gallardo, Murcielago, Diablo, Countach, and Miura....
Posted by: Spork Lover
Again from my understanding the creating and the demise of the 302 stems from SCCA racing. The year that the 302 Camaro came out, the cubic inch rule for SCCA was 305 inches. The engine had to be production in order to be race legal. The years following they removed the production engine requirement, allowing Chevy racers to just destroke the 350. So the 302 Camaro wasn't a low end model. In fact out of the 3 or 4 different V8 options the 302 was the second most powerful
I would be all over a Murcielago. I can't remember where I read it, but I read that 70 is top speed for first gear....thats nuts!
Posted by: Bix VT
Personally I wouldn't want a Murcielago...I'd rather have a Viper or a Z06. I know the Lambo is faster, but I prefer the looks of the Diablo much more, as well as just not liking the gearing. (70 in 1st is right, I mean why would you even want that?)
Posted by: The-AoD
Highway speeds at redline? No clue.
If anything, I'd want probably (as for newer cars), a 1996 RX-7 in bright taxicab yellow. It'd be so pimpass. I loved the look, styling, and interior. I'm not big on having the best of everything, but it'd suit me just perfecto.
Posted by: Spork Lover
You can edge out your competition if they have to shift before you.
Z06 would be a sweet ride, but I wouldnt take one over a Murcielago.
I'd personally like a McClaren F1. Three passenger car, with the driver seat in the middle. The ultimate driver's car
Posted by: Bix VT
Meh...maybe for the weekends. Not as a daily driver.
And as for not having to shift as much: by that logic, 2 or 3 speed trannys would be the fastest...
Posted by: Gerbilo
I love the Z06... but no way I could take one over a Murcielago...
70mph in first gives it some nice 0-60 times
that's how lotta cars are geared, not first, but shifting into say 3rd right after you hit 60mph... to make their 0-60 times look more attractive
Posted by: Spork Lover
I think you misinterpret me. The Murcielago is geared for 200mph runs. It's not that the driver has to shift less, its that the drive can hold gears longer, giving the driver of a Murcielago the edge over the driver of say a Z06, who would have to shift somewhere in the 40-50 range. The fact that the Murcielago can hold a gear that long, and still have one of the quickest 0-60 times for a prodution car speaks leaps and bounds about that engine's power curve. The Viper is another car that can hold first gear fairly long.
Posted by: Bix VT
LOL, remember the original Viper RT-10? In 6th it would hold 3krpm at 150mph. Now that's tall gearing!
Posted by: Bobaroo
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Originally posted by Bix VT
Meh...maybe for the weekends. Not as a daily driver.
And as for not having to shift as much: by that logic, 2 or 3 speed trannys would be the fastest...
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No, the power curve needs gears to get the right speed.
Posted by: Gerbilo
Quote:
Originally posted by Spork Lover
I think you misinterpret me. The Murcielago is geared for 200mph runs. It's not that the driver has to shift less, its that the drive can hold gears longer, giving the driver of a Murcielago the edge over the driver of say a Z06, who would have to shift somewhere in the 40-50 range. The fact that the Murcielago can hold a gear that long, and still have one of the quickest 0-60 times for a prodution car speaks leaps and bounds about that engine's power curve. The Viper is another car that can hold first gear fairly long.
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that's kinda what I said/meant.
Peak HP/TQ doesn't mean nearly as much as "area under the curve"
Posted by: The-AoD
That's exactly why the 302 in the first camaro's was such a god. They'd hold gears so long, it'd give the edge. Paired with a 4 speed, it made some suprizing times.
Posted by: armystud0911
My cousin has a souped up 85 mustang that hits 65mph in first gear, then again, it redlines at 7500. It hits 60 3.0seconds but speed really drops off after that, I don't think he's pushed it over 140mph yet.
Posted by: Bix VT
wow army, that's not the 5.0 is it?
Posted by: armystud0911
it used to be
Posted by: Bix VT
5.0 (or should I say 302 )doing 7500 rpm...not bad.
Posted by: armystud0911
yeah, he is pretty good at what he does, he has a side business of restoring/souping up cars. He has a firebird that he is finishing right now that can do the quarter in 10.9.
Posted by: Bix VT
One of the new Firebirds, or an old one? I know the old '73s were pretty fast...
Posted by: armystud0911
yeah, I don't remember the year but it was an old boy.
Posted by: Bix VT
Sweet...just wondering, anyone here heard of MCO?
Posted by: The-AoD
The fastest car I've ever personally watched to a drag was my cousin's old K car. 100% redone from the ground up. Including a 400 small block, and total drive train. She was FAST.
Posted by: Gerbilo
5.0 @ 7500 rpm = explosions
Posted by: Bix VT
Obviously it was heavily modded...thus enabling it to rev that high. Heck, I could get my SC2 to go up to 12000rpm if I modded it enough...
Posted by: The-AoD
You'd need one helluva top and bottom end to hold 7500 in a 5.0
Posted by: Gerbilo
and a lotta luck ahaha
Posted by: The-AoD
And some top quality mechanics... lol
I saw bits and pieces of a 454 that hit about 6000 before she went.. Connecting rods literally shattered. One head was totally obliterated with fragments of piston rings. It was quite funny. They were looking to see if the block was salvagable, guess not.
Posted by: Bix VT
hahaha I wouldn't imagine so...
I have a friend who removed the rev limiter on his '97 civic and got the buried the needle on the tach. But then one of his pistons came through the top of his hood and his acceleration run was abruptly ended. True story.
Posted by: Spork Lover
My cousin had a SBC that turned 10k. It was as heavily modified as you can get. It was a bowtie engine (meaning it was chevy's racing black and race heads....same components from NASCAR). That thing was a beast. It did not start to come alive until it hit 5500. We rebuilt it once and then brought it to Peoria Illinois to have it engine dynoed. 789hp @8900 and 656lbs @ 7XXX .... by those numbers you can tell that by nature it was a high revving motor. The peak numbers arent really that impressive, but the power curve was very impressive after 5000 the HP spiked and was flat all the way to 10k.
I have pics of it on the Dyno:
http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/4de6...hJl1tABtOcDHhgL
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ma...nm=DCP00843.JPG
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ma...nm=DCP00842.JPG
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ma...nm=DCP00851.JPG
I'd like to see an SC2 rev to 12k. I bet there isnt enough metal in the main caps to hold the crank in place.
The new SB2 & SB3 racing blocks (LS1 based) are very impressive. They built those things to revv pretty high. Stock LS6 can hit 6600 without sweating, and the C5R, with it's outrageously huge rotating assembly (8 liters of displacement will do that) hits 8000k easily. Your typical strong V8 will have 4bolt main caps, well these blocks have 6. 4 that screw into the block vertically, and two that screw in horizontally. Those main caps arent going anywhere.
Posted by: armystud0911
as I recall, the only thing factory on that engine was the block (which he bored out to fit his racing sleeves. The final test was a tad shy of 450HP, and he was running additional 200 shots of Nitris at the strip, very cool! I blinked and he hit 100. As for the statement that said that it would blow up, actually he has been running the car for 5 years now, np, he just kows what he is doing that's all.
Posted by: armystud0911
That is incredible spork! Have any of you ever ridden in a car that has done a wheelie in 1st, 2nd and 3rd? It is an experiance I will never forget! The queesiess of launching to (what seems like) near vertical is AMAZING!
Posted by: Gerbilo
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Originally posted by Bix VT
I have a friend who removed the rev limiter on his '97 civic and got the buried the needle on the tach. But then one of his pistons came through the top of his hood and his acceleration run was abruptly ended. True story.
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shit like that is stupid.... the rev limiter is there for a reason... and stock the car wont make power after it peaks off...
my max HP is at 7600rpm... redline is at 8000, rev limiter is like 8500 or so... no point in running it to the rev limiter b/c it'll make more power if you upshift and goto a lower RPM w/in the powerband
Posted by: Bix VT
he was running a turbo and nos...in 1st. Don't ask me why he did it, he's not the smartest guy in the world...
Posted by: armystud0911
I don't think Bix supports his friends idea, he was just telling a funny story about his idiot friend and I laughed at it. Any time you remove the Rev limiter, you are asking for problems, even a well made souped up car will have a limiter on it.
Posted by: Bix VT
Yeah, I know mine kicks in at about 250 over redline...but I get my best acceleration times when I shift at 100 over redline.
btw, I now find myself employed and was wondering: what should be my first mod to my car's engine? what's the biggest bottleneck for my car?
Posted by: Gerbilo
Quote:
Originally posted by Bix VT
btw, I now find myself employed and was wondering: what should be my first mod to my car's engine? what's the biggest bottleneck for my car?
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NOW WE GET TO HAVE SOME FUN hahaha
all the bolt-ons unless you are gonna go forced induction in the near future.
i'm assuming you're not, so let's free up the air flow. work from the front back....
Cold Air Intake(or short ram if you don't feel like worrying about a CAI)
Throttle body
Header
High flow Catalytic Converter
Cat-back exhaust
All those could free up to 20+hp
CAI you can get for like $100 prolly
TB isn't really necessary, but with further work it'll help
header will be like $400 or so
Cat is prolly $100
Cat-back exhaust can range in price depending on quality... as low as $350... as high as $1000
Those are the basic bolt ons....
you can also do a nice suspension drop, something liek 2" will make the car look better and handle much better.
Suspension braces, all kinds available, Strut Tower Bars are the most common and easy to install.
Wheels and tires as well.... Nice wheels for blingin, or light wheels for a weight reduc. Tires can do a world of difference too, try some Falken Azenis for dry weather performance... there are a ton of things you can do, lemme know which route you are thinking of going
Posted by: ZLRAC
Hyundai Tiburon. What I really want though is a car w/ a chameleon paint job. Maybe you've seen it, it changes from blue, to purple, and or red as you drive past it.
http://ymail.flamingtext.com/ymail/...97986_32558.gif
Posted by: Gerbilo
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Originally posted by ZLRAC
Hyundai Tiburon. What I really want though is a car w/ a chameleon paint job. Maybe you've seen it, it changes from blue, to purple, and or red as you drive past it.
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Yeah, there are many different types of chameleon/reflex
There is only 1 in production from what I know, Ford's Mystichrome Cobra... Oh, maybe also the TVR Tuscan
http://www.fast-autos.net/ford/mystichrome.jpg
Posted by: ZLRAC
You can get it as a custom paint job. Check out 'Pimp My Ride' on MTV
Posted by: Bix VT
I figured I'd go something like this:
CAI
Headers
Catback
Rims (I'll be keeping my yoko ES100s, they are awesome)
Suspension
maybe forced induction but I doubt it
Remember though that this is an SC2...I just want to know the one mod I could make that would give me the most hp per dollar.
Posted by: Gerbilo
If you are going forced induction don't worry about intake or headers, they will have to be replaced anyway...
Forced induction is by far the best way to get bang for the buck.. it's just expensive as shit and a big commitment. A S/C or Turbo will make your car not very fuel efficient, not very reliable, and pretty much everything that saturn didn't make the car to be.
Bolt-ons you can spend $1000 to get 10hp sometimes
forced induction you can spend $2000 to get 40-100hp... but it has lots of draw backs. Any more power than that and you will need to replace your internals for a set of forged.
Best actual bang for the buck is Nitrous... but **** that, it's impractical as all hell unless you are all about running the 1/4. Nitrous kit you can get for $400 and add 50hp.... It's only burst power though and won't see everyday use which makes it rather impractical.
There are a few other things you can do if you are gonna keep your car N/A. Internals. I know for my car I can pick up a set of Type R cams and pistons and up my power a lil bit and put my comp ratio up from 10.0:1 to around 11.0:1 not sure if any of that is available for your car. You can always look at a stroker kit or boring out your block.
Oh yeah, if you up your comp ratio i'd switch up to midgrade or premium fuel... if you go forced induction you will for sure need premium, just things to think about.
I'd say as a start, since i'm assuming you aren't going forced induction... pick up a CAI... they are all the same, the $150 AEM and the $30 ebay one work the same... just put a K&N filter on the end of it.... this is if you don't want a bypass valve that is.. i know AEM offers it, not sure if anyone else has yet.
Posted by: Gerbilo
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention shit like timing and cam gears etc etc...
Once you get a fair amount of work done you can get your car dyno tuned or get a new ECU/get your current one chipped.
Posted by: The-AoD
Also, check around and see if your timing can be set better. Alot of manufacturers "retard" engine timings to make for better "epa" regulated scoring. It's possible your motor is, but highly doubtful. Most of the motors that have retarded timings are big V8's. Worth a looksee though.
I'd say definetly drop a CAI onto it, and then grab a high flow exaust sytem. Such as the catback Jim was talking about. Exaust can mean a world of different in alot of todays motors. Intake is just as important. Higher airflow, means higher power potential. Get that motor freely taking/pushing air!.
Also, suspension dropping doesn't only look cool, increases handling potential as well. Do as jim said, get some more stability under that car, and drop it. It'd do alot for the car.. even it's appearance.
If you're going into major fixes, I'd say get the heads ported and polished, then get the valves and seats lapped. Timing gears, possibly cams. Every little bit counts, even if your running off stock internals.
As for forced induction, in my opinion, unless your going to replace alot of the motor, it's not going to show it's potential, and the "bang for the buck" issue is gone. Specially with the maintainence that can be required.
Even chopping out useless wieght can make a slight difference. Every little bit counts. Work at it long enough, you'll notice one helluva difference.
Posted by: Gerbilo
way to restate what I said!! lol
oh yes, if you do advance the timing, you might wanna think about running higher octane fuel as well.
Weight reduction is like more hp and more handling all in one... A lotta ppl don't like doing this though. Remove your rear seats, carpet, any extra weight, spare tire, jack, etc etc... relocate your battery to the trunk for better weight dist.
all this shit is pretty advanced though, your best bet is I/H/E + minor suspension work(strut tower bars, coilovers/drop springs)
Posted by: Spork Lover
It's a post 96 GM vehicle, so more than likely timing can't be advanced via mechanical means. You will have to get some kind of programmer that will allow you to advance timing manually, and there probably isn't one for a Saturn because Im betting there really isnt a large aftermarket for them.
In low boost applications you should be able to just bolt the parts on, and not have to worry about things like internals. If you want a boosted saturn I suggest that you wait until saturn releases their Supercharged coupe. Then you can make HP the cheap way. I picked up 40hp on my Supercharged car by spending $40 for a smaller supercharger pulley and a gator back belt. Best bang for the buck ever.
Some things to think about when lowering your car is your dampeners. When I lowered my car, there was not a good set of struts for the stiffer springs that I installed. The only thing available on the market was a set of Koni's that were designed for a Taurus, and modified to fit a grand prix. $1200 for cut up struts. I went with the best I could find (non-koni's) and soon suffered something called "pogo". Basically its where the struts do not have enough resistance in them to absorb a bump, and the springs were forced to. Well when you compress a spring it releases the energy it captures, and you can figure it out from there. I have since fixed the problem, but it is something to think about.
For a saturn I would start by looking around Pace Performance Part's website. They are a GM hi-performance part distributor. IIRC they have a supercharger kit based off of the Eaton MP-45 Supercharger that will bolt on to GM four bangers.
Posted by: Bix VT
Not really looking for forced induction, mainly I was just thinking about n/a stuff. I had thought about a CAI, but how much of a difference would it make to have it mounted away from the motor vs a short intake? I know the colder air makes a difference, but would it be worth the extra cash? I'm definately thinking I'm going to get headers before a catback system...simply because my headers are so bad. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the inside of them is bumpier than a gravel driveway.
The main weight saving options I have are the spare tire and maybe some electronics, but there's no way I'm taking out the spare: my tail comes around too much as it is. Taking it out would only make it worse.
Posted by: Bobaroo
Hmmm, a Saturn. The Saturn Redline should be released pretty soon, which is a Supercharged 205hp Saturn Ion coupe. When that comes out you should start seeing a few more aftermarket parts coming out.
First thing I would do would get new wheels, a set of light 16" wheels will not only look nice but would reduce some weight on your car. Also a nice set of tires help so much
Kazera KZ-U are pretty nice
http://www.tirerack.com/images/whee...a/KZ-U.G.dw.gif
Then after that go for your suspension... Lower the car and get rid of the wheel gap that will have with the new rims. Get new struts, springs, shocks, also get a front sway bar. After this I would go get new brakes....If your going to have more power you will need better brakes to stop you, go all out, brakes, rotors, caliper.....Go brembo! Get some new spark plugs for your car. They are really cheap at Pep Boys, or Autozone, and I feel that getting a nice new set of spark plugs helps out my car.
I personnaly like doing all suspension work done before performance work. I wouldn't feel save doing all engine mods to my car with it having stock brakes, tires and supsensions, I dunno, that just scares me.
After you have done all of this get your CAI, and if you want, build it yourself. O yea, get a bypass, you don't want to **** up your engine like my friend did on his prelude
Then go for your headers and exhaust, some new pullies, cams etc. After all of this you should be hitting around 150hp, and if you then decide to go forced induction you should easily be hitting 200hp+.
Hope this helps
Posted by: Gerbilo
hrmm... I never really thought about brakes... I"m used to my cars that have damn good brakes for what they are :-D
If you have discs at all corners you should be fine with sport pads.... bigger rotors will prevent you from using your stock wheels(or a spare) and slotted drilled rotors have had some horror stories.... plus they eat brake pads like nuts.
for intake... I have a short ram... I don't plan on switching to CAI, I really don't think that there is all that much of a difference.
Posted by: Bobaroo
Gerb, your also driving a teggy GSR, which is a performance sports car, and I am sure it has better brakes then a Saturn.
Posted by: Bix VT
Yes, my brakes are almost shot as it is, last time they resurfaced them they really took too much off...I'm surprised they haven't snapped yet. I'm planning on getting slotted rotors all around with some high perf pads...that's definately my first upgrade, I'm not happy with my brakes now at ALL.
There's no way I'd ever get a new Saturn, they switched over the their GM Europe engines in '98. Not to mention the fact that they stopped production on the SC series...grr.
Posted by: Bobaroo
What year is your car?
Posted by: Bix VT
'97. I made sure that I have an engine that's NOT from a saab.
Posted by: Gerbilo
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Originally posted by Bobaroo
Gerb, your also driving a teggy GSR, which is a performance sports car
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I do don't i!?!?
find a brake kit for your car bix, but as i said, too big of rotors will limit you to plus sized wheels.
and for your ass sliding around, battery relocate! tho that's mostly for RWD cars lol
Posted by: Bix VT
I don't think that would make a huge difference...
Posted by: Spork Lover
He just wants a daily rider it sounds like, a brake kit would be useless on it, especially something as over priced as Brembo. Don't get me wrong, they work really well, but most of their kits average $1200, and for a car that will just be driving from stoplight to stoplight that is an insane waste of money. I would say only worry about brakes if you are going to auto cross. Autocrossing is about tires and brakes.
Strut Tower bars are great for helping the car through the turns. Luckily I was able to pick up two for my car for a grand total of $30.
IMO if you are going to be doing intake/exhaust work, you should wait to get it done all at once. Im not sure why anyone would piece meal something together, because you wont see real gains until everything is done at once.
Cold Air system is definitely better than a short ram. It pulls in colder air, colder air = more timing, more aggressive fuel tables.
Posted by: Bix VT
I know a CAI would be better, but my question is would it be worth the risk? It rains a lot around here, and I wouldn't want to risk it unless it added at least 3-4hp...
Posted by: Gerbilo
It's hard to find any good stats on CAI vs SRI at most I'd say the CAI adds 1-2hp over the SRI
Posted by: Bix VT
hmm...tough call then. I'll have to check out some dyno readings from various cars with short ram vs cold air.
Posted by: Gerbilo
All you will find is BS. I don't trust any of that shit out there.
Especially manufacturer sites, they'll tell you a CAI can get you 10-15hp!
In all reality, a CAI will probably get you 4-5hp at most, an SRI will get you about 3-4 at most
Posted by: Gerbilo
on our cars atleast, if you do it on a viper or a corvette you can get like 15hp
mods free up % normally, my friend w/ a cobra put headers and exhaust on and was dynoing like 35hp higher. You do that on my car I could probably get 10-12 your car, probably 8-10.
Posted by: Bobaroo
According to my friend he gained 22hp with his exhuast at 10hp with his new air filter, a total of 32hp! 
What a waste for him to be owning a Z
Posted by: Gerbilo
Z????
SPECIFY!! 240z 280z 300zx 350z z3 z4 z8!?!?!?
Posted by: Spork Lover
you forgot the almighty Z28 !!!!
To be honest with you, gains from an intake with an otherwise car will be unoticeable, unless your car is truly choked back. The real gains come from combining mods, intake + exhaust... Heads + Cam, etc etc etc
Posted by: Bix VT
Yeah, thats what I figured...I had read a claimed 7hp boost from a CAI and was very skeptical...especially when my car only makes 124hp to begin with. [sarcasm]What I really want is to start with new heads and a high perf cam, maybe some high flow injectors fuel pump and then move on to the airflow...then I really will be getting some serious gains from things like a CAI and headers/exhaust...[/sarcasm]
Posted by: Bobaroo
Omg you forgot Zx2!!
1990 300zx
Posted by: Gerbilo
You'll need airflow long before you need fuel line mods or cam mods to even mean anything.
an upgraded pump/injectors won't do shit until you get that airflow waaay up.
My car is 170hp stock, most people don't do fuel line work until well over 200hp... pretty much same w/ the LS block that is 140hp stock...
Posted by: Bix VT
That's my point! I want to have this crapload of mods done to my car with crappy airflow and then hook on a CAI and full exhaust and be able to say "I gained 20hp from my CAI" to my friends.
No I'm not serious.
Posted by: Gerbilo
I replied to this like 7 hours ago... now it's not here.. i'm confused
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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I replied to this like 7 hours ago... now it's not here.. i'm confused
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post it again ... server crashed early this afternoon
Posted by: Gerbilo
BOOO!!!
I washed cars for 7 hours today... always a nice way to spend the day
Posted by: The-AoD
Yay!!!
Posted by: Gerbilo
i still need to wax mine!!! haha
claybar, coat of meguires cleaner wax, maybe some eagle one nano wax(if it works), zaino, uggg haha
Posted by: Bobaroo
i need a claybar!! I gotta clean my car, then polish it, then wax it and then take my friends sexy buffer and use....shiny shuinu shiny
Posted by: Bix VT
gogo ZX2!!
Not like I can talk...
But seriously, my plans are to get a CAI and a full exhaust job so it sounds nice, then slap a nitrous kit on there so the car keeps up with the sound when I need it to.
Posted by: Gerbilo
lol, nitrous is a waste. If I wanted to have fun I wouldn't race you in a line, i'd take it around a few corners... then son, GL when you use an entire bottle of nitro haha
Yeah, I gotta pick up a claybar, gotta get the dent pulled outta the side of my car first though, bastards. Once I get that done I have like a 2 full day project for my car.
Posted by: Bobaroo
Hehe BIX...when I wash and wax my car it looks amazing. The Atlantic Blue just stands out. Maybe I will do it next weekend and give ya some pictures of it.
Posted by: Gerbilo
I'll have to get some pic of mine when it's all cleaned up
Posted by: Bix VT
Jim, like I said: I'd only use nitrous from light to light races. I'm already fast enough as it is around the corners.
Bobaroo: gee I don't know your real name...bob maybe? Atlantic blue? nice. My SC2 is black and it had 65k miles on it before it had it's first coat of wax, thanks to my dad...so the paint isn't exactly in perfect shape.
Posted by: The-AoD
Just cause we wub this car thread, and bixer can't make up his mind, I talked to a cousin of mine about upgrades on different cars.
For bix, we'll start with low displacement high revolution motors. Then, I'll go about telling more about how he goes about building up a BIG motor. BTW, he's the creator of the 800 horsepower plymouth K-car looking soapbox lol.
When going about upgrading a low displacement motor, there's only one thing to remember. When using such a little amount of fuel, you need all the advancement you can get. This means, airflow is one of the most important pieces to solving that horsepower puzzle.
First, slap some exaust and intake on it, there's no worse enemy than poor airflow on a 4 cylinder. Without airflow, what's anything going to do to make things really better? You could have all the modifications in the world, a poor exaust and intake will choke it to DEATH.
Timing is the second key, even though timing usually is "Good", perfecting it is a science, and usually "I take my electronic timing motors to 'the shop' to have them tuned". Upgrading the computer, and ignition system is always a plus.
There's two points to look at when going into forced induction. Turbo lag, and super"pull". Superchargers can throw out a better torque curve, and mostly are used on big motors that don't really feel much "stress" from a supercharger, since it's pulley driven. On a "mini motor" as he called it, it's usually best option to go for a "mid-range" turbo that doesn't give off to much turbo lag, but still gives enough power to feel the gains. He would choose to use a turbo, that gives lower power, but doesn't give off much lag. But he did say, superchargers are always a benefit, even though they "suck up" precious horsepower. If he was going all out for performance, he'd take the supercharger, but I told him you're looking for cheap and definetly effiecient, so... He said Turbo.
Motor rebuilds are always good, but highly expensive. New cams, lifters, heads, ect ect.. can increase horsepower, and always are good if you plan on alot of horsepower coming from the motor. Usually stock components won't hold 50% gains without major wear.
The rest, is here and there he said. Just different stuff that can be bolted on, or placed in. Such as sensors, fuel pumps, ect... He did mention though, if going for force induction, he'd recommend getting a high performance throttle body, and/or high flow fuel injectors to match them with the performance gains.
And he had an EASY system for big block motors.. I loved it alot more than the "mini-me" motors. lol
Huge pipes, Big carbs, super charger, blower, and all the nick-nacks. lol
He told me how he made the 800hp 400 small block that he fit into the K-car. It was delicious. High perf cams, bored out block, stroker crank shaft, new heads, pistons, rings... One helluva supercharger system, packed with a blower. Dual 4" exaust, that was TRACK ready, not street. :P
That car was redone from the ground up.. "Drool"....
I wish he still did that kind of stuff, but he said, "I felt it was time to let it become a garage, and actually get a job... lol
But there you have it bix, that's how he'd do it. And seeing some of his cars before, and watching them run... I'd listen
Posted by: Spork Lover
Supercharger = Blower
Your brother really recommended a Supercharger for all out power? I like hearing the contrasting stories from both sides of the wall.
From the sounds of your convo it sounds like he was talking about a huge turbo. With a stock bottom end Im sure his motor can't take much more than 8psi boost, so he could go with a smaller turbo with quick spooliing characteristics that wouldnt lag, or he can go with the other favored method, use a nitrous system that is activated within a certain RPM range (the range that the Turbo isnt spooled, or the range of turbo lag)
NHRA within the last few years opened up it's rules for the unlimited engine/stock bodied car class. It used to be that superchargers was the only form of forced induction cars allowed. When they opened up the rules they allowed turbo'd cars, and one of the first people to take advantage of the rule change was Billy Glidden. Billy Ownz that class now. Turbocharging is now the only method if you wanna be the top dawg.
Gerb
You give your car too much credit, or you don't give his car enough credit If you guys are racing around cones in a parking lot you can take him, but on the open road, there arent very many roads where racing around turns will actually give you an edge.
I'll race you around some cones in a parking lot haha... I know I can get in front of you....after that it's just a matter of cock blocking in the turns, and with my boat of a car Im sure it wont be hard
I think that the best way to gain HP is through precision. The old Hot rod style of tuning always meant going with the biggest stuff to get power, biggest cam, biggest ports available on your heads, biggest pipes...etc etc etc. I learned that you can make much more power if you actually have an actual game plan (rather than just buying the biggest). Flow matching heads to your CAM does a ton for ensuring maximum flow efficiency, because if you have over ported heads the flow can actually get "lazy" and velocity can slow and suffer..... I learned a ton with that NASCAR motor my cousin had, like back pressure (Exhaust) can actually be beneficial to an engines performance. When we first dyno'd it it had no mufflers on it. We added two mufflers to the end of the headers and it picked up 15 peak hp, and 45 lbs.... pretty cool eh?
Hmmmm.... I have a new flavor of the week.... I was a passenger in my friends 03 WRX and watched it get owned by a 04 STR-4....hmmmm that thing is an evil car!!!
Posted by: Bix VT
Ugh. I hate the SRT-4. Great bang for your buck but it's such a prep white pretty boy racer car. Personally I'd take a WRX and soup it up, yeah it costs a LOT more, but I'd pwn all the stupid mopars.
I can't make up my mind? wtf steve, I already did. 1st, CAI. 2nd, headers. 3rd, high flow cat. 4th catback system. then on to running gear and blah blah, but I doubt it'll ever get that far, I'll have a 5.0 before I even get headers for my SC2 probably.
Posted by: Spork Lover
I can show you a video of a girl with 1500 in mods owning a STi that has been chipped. Pretty funny video An SRT-4 that originally cost 19k, with 1500 in mods, beating up on a 30k+ STi with 400-500 in mods
I don't care what image the car projects, it's a performer. Mopar delivered exactly what they promised.
Posted by: Bix VT
I'm not arguing that. Like I said, the car has GREAT bang for the buck. I would just never drive one, if for no other reason than it's a neon. And lest we forget, a few years back the Neon's ad campaign was simply the front end of the car with the word "hi" on the billboard. Say "hi" in a high-pitched, nasal, annoying voice and you'll get the impression that I get every time I see a Neon.
Posted by: Gerbilo
those SRT-4s have been doing some wicked shit so far, there are many running 400+ hp on stock bottom ends. The early model ones have bad pegleg problems but the new ones have an LSD Tranny.
oh, i'll take an evo over both of those cars btw
Posted by: The-AoD
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Originally posted by Spork Lover
Your brother really recommended a Supercharger for all out power? I like hearing the contrasting stories from both sides of the wall.
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For the torque curve, and saving money, "cheap" project. Superchargers waste less time than a turbo will in all out ranges.
And he's my cousin`, and he's "was" draggin` cars with his family for over 20 years. I think he knows what he's doing.
Anyways, the super has a larger torque curve, and that matters when looking to "spend little". And it's the most cost effective part to forced induction for the price.
btw, I'll have to get him to scan some pictures of that old Bellaire coupe he had. over 500 horses, without forced induction. Heavily modified, and one helluva paint job lol.
As for the SRT's.. omg they piss me off lol. Like the new dodge ram SRT10... OHH BLOW THE DOORS OFF MUAHAHA.. Bullshit, give me an F-350 SuperDuty powerstroke, I'll show you balls. Trucks aren't meant for speed in my opinion. No clue why anyone who would shop for a truck would want one.
Posted by: Spork Lover
Im not questioning your cousin by any means. I just thought that the new school of thought was turbos for forced induction. The drag racers that are using them like them because of better "tuneability" (is this a word?). With a supercharger the only real way to change the boost characteristics of the blower is to change a pulley, where with a turbo and a boost controller, all you have to do is turn a knob. Another reason they like them is because you can offset the problems of having a big turbo (turbo lag) by adding a smaller turbo for the lower rpm ranges. Your cousin has already mentioned the parasitic losses of the belt driven superchargers, so no need to go there.
My car is supercharged, and one thing is for sure... you can't beat the bottom end torque a roots style supercharger provides. Ideally though, I think I want a CSC or a Screw type supercharger. The CSC has characteristics more like a turbo but it's still belt driven.
The SRT-4 Delivers Don't be jealous It may be a neon... but it's a neon that many people will only see the tail lights.
SRT-10 dumbfounds me. It is a truck that has a 500hp viper engine in it. Why does it put out such low acceleration numbers, and even top speed numbers? The 2003 lightning had much less advertised HP and torque numbers, and it is much faster in the 1/4 mile, and it's only 10 or so mph off in top speed. What the hell did dodge do?
Posted by: The-AoD
They acted normal!
The neon's man, c'mon they are a neon.. It's a mopar escort LX.. I mean, even a zx2 looks "cooler" Right bob? LOL! OMG I still don't understand why dodge even made the neon in the first place, well, plymouth. But I'm not going there.
And as for the super vs turbo. Yeah, performance reasons, turbo's are better with higher torque curves and can be tuned so nicely, but sometimes that can run you very high in the numbers. A simple supercharger is a simple and "more cost effective" way to get a decent gain. That's all he was talking about. Since he wanted "cheap" bang, the super was his pick for the broader torque curves with less money into tuning, gear, and every other little gadget you'd want including a secondary turbo for low end
And the SRT-10.. Lightning, blah! Either way, I'll still take something like an '04 F-350 Super Duty with a GIANT powerstroketurbo diesel. I'll show those trucks who REALLY has power.
BTW, did you see the new dodge cummings? They got red tags on the fuel lines that say, "Must be serviced by a mopar mechanic, lines hold 2400psi" or some BS like that. I was like OMG, they had to do that to quiet them down?!?! I always knew cummings were loud, and that one was probably the quietest one I've ever heard lol.
I'd like to see how effiecient a supercharged diesel would be, I mean, if you could tune it right, it'd be alot better for all around use (flat hauling). Might suck worse going up hills though. :P
On that thought, I saw a 6 cylinder detriot diesel suck a 5inch turbo feed line (air hose basically) right in. You know those turbo's are shoving a SHITLOAD of pressure LOL I wanna bolt one on a neon LMFAO
Posted by: Gerbilo
So much to respond too.... hehe
Turbo's are more expensive than superchargers in many applications. Many small cars don't have supercharger kits available but they do have turbo kits. The ones that do have SC availablity, the kits are normally more expensive. Hell, For my old car I could have picked up a jackson supercharger kit for around $4,200. I could have picked up a Greddy Turbo kit for around $1,100. Both making similar power.
As for the SRT-4.... they are a great bang for the buck buy if you are looking for accl and speed. I just wonder how they will hold up over the years, wonder if they will suffer a worse fate than the old DSMs which break all the ****in time. The SRT-10 is kinda goofy... If I had tons of money and I was into that I might buy one, maybe as a towpig for a drag car or something. I dunno, I'm sure it would be fun for a while, just because it's a truck.. but then you realize you could have bought a Z06 for that money. The new Lightning I'd rather have over the dodge... one reason is because I think Dodge trucks completely blow donkey ass... The new Lightning is gonna be cool too, especially if they throw in that trick feature they were saying it would have. At the press of a button the AC compressor is redirected into the intake blowing (pressurized, not sure) very cold air in. Only able to be used for short bursts(30sec or so), but gives a 40-50hp boost. That's damn badass IMO.
For the Powerstroke... hell yeah! lol. but actually, the SRT-10 motor is 2.3l bigger than the "GIANT" Powerstroke in the F-350
Yeah, i've seen that fuel line shit on Honda-Tech, got a good crack there.
Oh yeah, they have put them giant ass turbos on SRT-4s.. they are making crazy numbers, i'll see what I can find
Posted by: Spork Lover
I kind of wonder the same about the SRT-4 long term reliability. It seems the engineers have attacked many problems early on that would affect the drive train lifespan. For one the internals are upgraded, a quaife LSD is thrown in, and they actually used a quality transmission. I bet the problems are going to come from the people who overboost their cars.
DSMs werent built with the current state of the sport compact market in mind. I dont think those mitsubishi engineers could ahve ever imagined that the cars they designed would be pushing performance numbers the way they are now. Thats why they have transmissions that are crap, transfer cases that snap like twigs, and worst of all, a weak bottom end.
Posted by: Gerbilo
Overboosting can kill anything though. Hell, that's the only way to kill a Honda lol, you still gotta throw a lotta boost at it though.
I'm just wondering if all kinds of shit is gonna start shitting out on them after time. If I were to get one I'm not sure i'd keep it much longer than 3 years...
Posted by: The-AoD
I knew a guy with one, he's driving a grand prix now, I believe. He was a walmart frequenter. I remember all the guys gazing and staring, but that guy was one bigass dude.
Posted by: Bix VT
They may be fast, but they have no soul IMO. Give me an evo or sti or even a V6 Mustang...it won't be as fast but at least I won't feel bad about myself for driving mopar's version of the cavalier.
Posted by: The-AoD
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Originally posted by Bix VT
but at least I won't feel bad about myself for driving mopar's version of the cavalier.
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HAHAHAH LMFAO!!!
Don't make fun of cavaliers that way, alot of people have got over ten years out of thier cavaliers!
Posted by: Bix VT
Wow, 10 years! 
My little red Toyota Corolla did 19 years. And 350k miles. Driving pizzas.
gg sry you got pwned
Posted by: Gerbilo
My friend's cavalier is 10 years old and goes in for major repairs every 3 months or so, the thing is a POS.
I'll take a Honda or Toyota if i want a car that'll last for ever thank you very much.
Oh, and never say you want a V6 mustang until you get your sex change operation.... EVO> STi, SRT
Posted by: Bix VT
NO, I DON'T want a V6 stang, I was just saying that I'd take one over a neon...
get what I'm saying?
Posted by: Gerbilo
SRT-4 > V6 stang....
* > V6 stang
Posted by: Bobaroo
Haha V6 mustang? You a chick?
my car and even steves car > V6 stang
Posted by: Spork Lover
to each their own I guess. I bet you would change your mind after driving one though.
Posted by: Gerbilo
hahaha, they have gotten a little better over time... but still....
Posted by: Bix VT
Ok, for the last time I HATE V6 STANGS! They are a travesty and an insult to the rest of the Ford line, my cousin had one and I drove it and it SUCKED.
But I still think V6 Stang > neon
I'm saying that because I really dislike neons.
Posted by: The-AoD
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Originally posted by Bobaroo
Haha V6 mustang? You a chick?
my car and even steves car > V6 stang
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LOL! My GF's Escort > V6 Stang.. Sheesh!
Posted by: Gerbilo
I wouldn't got that far....
Posted by: The-AoD
LIAR! Ok, maybe you're right...
Posted by: Bix VT
IMO a V6 stang is really an insult to the stang line. I would never have even given Ford a second glace if they had converted the stang into a FWD like they had planned to...
Posted by: Spork Lover
What you don't think the Ford Probe would have made a good mustang?
When the Mustang was going to get the Axe the Pony car market was in a slump, just like it's in right now. At least one of the 3 cars out there made it out
Posted by: AK47
Got some "alone time" with the new Acura today. Took it out for a drive and took some pics. Sure was nice to drive
Sorry for the spam, but I was havin way too much fun 
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Posted by: Bobaroo
Those guages are hot!
Posted by: Bix VT
Yeah, those guages are really sweet! I also really like what Acura did with the exhaust on the TL...they really shaped it into the body masterfully.
Posted by: Gerbilo
Well, me and my buddy Nate were bored the other day waiting for alcohol time, so we shined up the GS-Rs a lil. Took them over to a local lot to get some pictures, and yes, all the tire marks all over the lot are from us :biggrin:
Both are 2000 GS-Rs btw.
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Posted by: Gerbilo
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Posted by: Bix VT
LOL Jim, you just copied and pasted that from 86ed! Complete with the ":biggrin:"
Posted by: Bobaroo
So I went to Pep Boys yesterday and no Clay Bar
Posted by: Gerbilo
that's odd, you also wanna make sure you get microfiber towels....
you should be able to find it somewhere.... Autozone by me carried some weird generic one that looked a lil shady, so i went to Murrays and they had a few...
if you really can't find any hit me up on AIM and i'll link you up to a place that has them online, you'll need a credit card though.
Posted by: The-AoD
I want some window "vents" that allow me to crack my windows without rain coming in, just can't find any decent ones around here.
Posted by: Gerbilo
ahhh, those things look goofy, but are effective...
craig had them on his suburban, then shattered one while trying to chuck a bottle out the window
Posted by: PhantomGamer
If i could drive...i would want the lotus elise
Posted by: Gerbilo
I'd take it's brother, the Exige over the Elise
yay
Posted by: Spork Lover
They will both be about the same. The US Elise will be just as heavy, and just as powerful as the exige. What Lotus really needs is a Euro Spec Elise with the Toyota engine, then that bad boy will be a monster....if only the US version were 300 pounds lighter like its european cousin
Posted by: Spork Lover
Woah.... anyone like amazing car stories?
http://www.ls2.com/forums/showthrea...15&pagenumber=1
Posted by: Gerbilo
wow
Posted by: The-AoD
omfg that sucks ass, glad to see they both came out alive.. Those pictures were just scary.. :\
Posted by: Bix VT
woah dude and they're alive? wow. Good thing it wasn't a convertable...
Posted by: Spork Lover
The car is just pretty rigid. It was designed to take abuse, I bet the engineers would be amazed to see the accidents these cars survive. I think one thing that really helped them survive that was the huge ass door bars. Those things have saved countless people from t-bone accidents, and Im sure it was instrumental in keeping that car from twisting into pieces.
Posted by: AK47
This is car related:
Me and Gerb were crusing last night and we came across an old Caviler with a Bort license plate.
BORT 7
I put my window down and told the guy his plates kick ass. He said we were only the second person to say anything about them.
Glad to see Illinois isnt sold out of Bort license plates
Posted by: Bobaroo
I don't get it
Posted by: Cheese
someone's seriously lacking in Simpsons trivia...
Posted by: Gerbilo
Cruisin down 75th street seems to produce some good results
Posted by: DiabloFather
Well I am too young for a car but i want a nice corvette 2005 with hydrolics and vibration subwoofer 2000 watts.
Posted by: Spork Lover
Nice Pic, those cars are becoming untamable.
A 400HP Daily driver standard corvette? The Z06 C5's proved to be alot for some owners, can't wait to see the accident numbers on the new C6's
Posted by: Gerbilo
ahhh, hydrolics and subs, what a way to ruin a corvette hah
Posted by: armystud0911
hey guys, I haven't posted in this thread in a while mostly cuz I don't own a car or didn't I should say, that all changed a week ago. I got my first vehicle titled under my name an 88 toyota corola. Yup its old and it sure won't get any ladies, but it is a stick though, and we all know how fun those are, and it has enuf zip to keep me happy. However, the real reason why I turned down a 97 civic for this thing is the cost, this car is free, insurance is 40 a month and I get around 43mpg, this makes it EXTREMELY cheap to run and thats all I want now.
Posted by: Bix VT
Dude armystud, I remember I used to have an '89 corolla with a stick! That was a fun little car too, it had enough zip to keep me happy. Not like our old '86 Taurus MT-5. For those of you who don't know what that is, imagine a 90hp engine in a cadillac with a stick. That's what the '86 MT-5 was.
Posted by: Gerbilo
wow, $40 a month insurance would be awesome haha.
I'm payin something like $300 a month and that's with a driving record that isn't exactly bad....
Posted by: Spork Lover
Isn't exactly bad = Ran over a bus full of nuns with a dump truck
300 a month? Wow you are F'n nuts! Thats more than my car payment used to be!
Posted by: Gerbilo
yeah, it's more than my carpayments are...
All my insurance is aware of is I had a ticket in june of 2001, .. that's all...
i also drive an integra, and a GS-R at that... uugg... ****in state farm
i think it's like $1800something every 6 mo.
Posted by: armystud0911
You really should swtch coverages there bud, my parents pay out 2500 a year for 3 cars AND thier house. Granted, your not 50 years old and have a near perfct driving record but still.
Maybe you should should "swtch to Gieco and save hundreds on car insurence" hehe. My best friend back home just got a 97 acura CL and he's paying 110 a month for full coverage.
Posted by: Bix VT
I pay 140 for mine, driving the SC2. It's not bad, but It'll shoot through the roof when I get my 5.0...
Edit: that's with a perfect record and the "good student" discount from USAA. I do have one ticket but I went to "traffic school" to have it removed from my record, so it's all good.
Posted by: Bobaroo
I pay $170 a month. Never have been pulled over, good student discount but NJ rapes all on insurance
Posted by: Spork Lover
I still dont understand why it's so expensive, you must live in a high risk zone. I mean its a honda, they dont make it anymore, and they are cheap to repair. It doesnt add up!
Posted by: Cheese
Umm, it's an Acura. It's a sports car. It's one of the high end packages. Plus a speeding ticket. Those things add up in my mind.
Posted by: Gerbilo
yup, as cheese said, that's the main reason why it's expensive for me
Gieco I thought about, but, all those cheap companies would more than likely drop me if I got into an accident or got a ticket or anything. That's what i've heard about cheapo companies anyway
Posted by: Spork Lover
Yes it is an Acura, being a sports car... thats arguable . It's still a discontinued model, and they are cheap to fix. When I was a fresh driver and getting quotes for a Z28 I wasn't quoted anything near that!
Gerb, are you on your own policy?
Posted by: Gerbilo
no, on my parents, they also have had home and auto insurance w/ the same agent for 20 years now...
that is one of the reasons why i'm stickin with state farm, even if I get into some shit, I more than likely wont get dropped all that easily
Posted by: Gerbilo
8.0 liters, 16 cylinders, 8 camshafts, 680hp.... go-go Honda Motor Co.
Yeah, me and AK got a lil bored, he got his 2004 TL and I got my GS-R and Accord. We were running very short on time so we just got a few quick pics they also were resized greatly which may have affected quality...
http://server8.vnpages.net/~caffien...dness%20008.jpg
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http://server8.vnpages.net/~caffien...dness%20048.jpg
Posted by: Gerbilo
oh yeah, more boredom while I was just ****in around
OOO beady
http://server8.vnpages.net/~caffien...ed/DSCF0001.JPG
http://server8.vnpages.net/~caffien...ed/DSCF0006.JPG
My hood which is undergoing an über shining process haha
http://server8.vnpages.net/~caffien...ed/DSCF0010.JPG
Posted by: Bobaroo
Nice!!
Posted by: Bix VT
hahaha
dude gerb you have a job right?
Posted by: The-AoD
I have a job... now... sucks... but ok..
1998 Oldsmobile Cutlass GLS
$74 bucks a month... full coverage insurance...
21 years old..
Perfectly clear driving record, with over a year of plow/hauling Class D (Almost commercial, one size under class B truck).
I feel good about my record.
Posted by: Gerbilo
yes, i have a job
Posted by: Bix VT
Ok, I wasn't sure. Seeing as how you have time to blow like not even I do, and I have a lot of free time.
Posted by: Gerbilo
I work nights, so i have days free, been trying to find a day job kinda
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Hmmm Gerb, you seem to be obsessed with your hood, yo
Posted by: Gerbilo
yeah, it's the easiest surface to work on so I have done the most to it.
I'm obsessed with the whole car btw
Posted by: Bobaroo
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really? I would have never guessed
Posted by: Gerbilo
yeahh... i just got more shit in the mail today go-go clearkote
I have too much car care products I think....
mmm whiskey.. ermm. i mean car care!
lemme think
ahh **** it, i'll take a picture of my shelf and area of car shit
Posted by: Bobaroo
YES! more pictures
Posted by: DiabloFather
Damn ! u need high speed 2 view this thread !
anyway how can i post pictures??? i dont seem 2 get it
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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check attached image...
Posted by: Gerbilo
hehe, i'm in the process of cleaning/organizing my car care products shelf so i'll get the pics when I get it fixed up
Posted by: Spork Lover
http://makoto.dyndns.org/membermedia/
Only thing better than talking about cars is watching them
Posted by: Bobaroo
I have been told that this is place is great for car cleaning products.
http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2...gory_Code=Zaino
Anyone know?
Posted by: Gerbilo
Zaino is some crazy shit, my friend said he did the Zaino sealer and if he washes it, he says it still looks good even a long time later.. .then again he cleans his car religiously so it never really gets dull.
Check out http://www.clearkote.net/ i've heard it's easier to deal w/ than the whole Zaino kit. I have the quick shine and a few other things from them.
Posted by: Gerbilo
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Well, my host's FTP is down.. So I can't link these pics up so I will just use them as attachments
These are the pics of the lil corner in the garage that contains much of my car shit, there is more, but it's honestly scattered throughout the house....
this first one is the stack of my winter wheels/tires and some other random shit
yes, I use stolen BK trays for lots of stuff when washing/working on my car
Posted by: Gerbilo
Here is the shelves, yeah they are dirty as hell and some oil exploded on the top one years ago and it stained
If you wanna see what everything is you can open the attach and max the pic in your browser
any questions? just ask...
plenty of meguires as you can see, recently got the 3 step stuff on the bottom shelf from a friend..
Posted by: Bix VT
Dude, get a life. For real. And send me some AEM stickers, I'll send a few Lite Glow ones in return.
Posted by: Gerbilo
lol, i dunno if I have anymore, i'm sure you can get them on ebay for cheapo anyway.
AEM and K&N are the only shit on my roll call hahaha, hopefully i'll be adding H&R or Tein to it soon
Posted by: Bix VT
Maybe you should grab some lite glow products...I like mine a lot!
Posted by: Gerbilo
yes, i love teh neonz.... stunna style...
Posted by: Bobaroo
So I had this dream that I have a black 350z T, then I woke up and said I want to go drive my nice 350z. Walked outside and then got all depressed. It felt so real!
Posted by: The-AoD
... LoL Bobo... I had this dream, I was looking at the automart magazine, and saw a bright red 1991 Acura NSX, and I was drooling.. Wait, it actually happened...
34k miles, 1991 dyno's at 280hp....
Red on Red interior/exterior
6 speed *drools heavily*
35k price tag....
Heavenly... Damn
Anyways, cutlass suprised me yet AGAIN.... I blew a neon off the road the other day, going down a straight away.. Was funny, sure as hell he had to be depressed..
Posted by: Gerbilo
you're still slow!
Posted by: Bobaroo
lol a Neon? I drove my girlfriends neon the othernight. It made my car feel like a dragster 
Posted by: Gerbilo
lol, i'd still take an SRT-4
Posted by: Bix VT
STFU gerb! For real. That car is so freakin gay. You know my reasons and therefore I claim this post to not be a flame.
Posted by: Gerbilo
hah
some guy in a focus wanted to race last night, or just wanted to blow by me when I wasn't paying attention.
I did race my friend on his mini bike though.... hahaha, i was actually driving next to him so we could see how fast it went... I was doing so in first gear and I was so close to the power band I just stepped on it and went flying hahaha
Posted by: Bix VT
LOL that sounds great! I tried to race this madly lowered Red Integra GS-R with some nice rims and exhaust, but the girl driving was talking on her cell phone. I really really hope it was her bf's car, otherwise I feel really sorry for the teg.
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