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The Car Thread :)

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Posted by: Bix VT

AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH PREMIUM BOY LOL

you lose.



Posted by: Bobaroo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerbilo
yeah bob, for some odd reason there is a decent amount of HTers in duchess county... dunno why lol



Po-Town is cool yo





Posted by: AK47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bix VT
AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH PREMIUM BOY LOL

you lose.


wait, Saturn?





Posted by: Bix VT

don't hate.

appeciate.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/BixVT/SC2.jpg

http://www.tacofox.net/stuff/drool.gif



Posted by: Gerbilo

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK47
wait, Saturn?



HAHAHAAH

hell yes premium, cause my car isn't a suck box. 95hp/liter NA Stock plus 32mpg...



Posted by: Bobaroo

lol apreciate a Saturn....

Reliable cars...yes


Fast...NO!



Posted by: Bix VT

ok bobaroo, I'll tell you what. You tell me where you live and how to get there, and I will drive there within the next year and school anything you can throw at my saturn.



Posted by: AK47

You have a saturn. Are you seriously delusional or are you putting us on?

Your car isn't fast and it doesnt even handle all that well.

Does this "school anything you can throw at it" deal apply to me? (jesus, I think street racing is incredibly stupid, but the nonsense you've been saying really makes me want to show you just what your car is(nt) capable of).



Posted by: Bobaroo

Anything?

Lets see...

A few Mustang GT's, 300zx, 350z, WRX, Integras, Civic SI, V6 Accords, A Maxima, 199x Vette.

Theres of cars I could use to beat your saturn.

And my dad has a Saturn, In fact he has had two of them...He gets them because they aren't fat, but get pretty good gas milage and are very reliable. His 1996 SC2 had 110k miles on it when we sold it, and it was going as strong as anything


edit: And if my car was a standard it would beat the saturn



Posted by: Spork Lover

/autoban Gerb for using the Honda HP/L comment!!!!!!!

The High power to litre ratio means there is little room for cheap bolt on improvements. It means if you want more speed you have to really crack open the wallet.

Stop the bashing the other persons car... this thread is nice and healthy... no need to give laggy a reason to lock it !!!!



Posted by: Bobaroo

Well there is no need to bash people's car, but some people just have to realize where their car stands


I still love ya bix



Posted by: Gerbilo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spork Lover
/autoban Gerb for using the Honda HP/L comment!!!!!!!

The High power to litre ratio means there is little room for cheap bolt on improvements. It means if you want more speed you have to really crack open the wallet.


that just means that Honda did their homework. I can get a lot more out of my motor... an F20C1 out of an S2k though... GL on those



Posted by: Gerbilo

and to get kinda back on topic....


What's going on in the car forums?

Bentley Forums
- - - I used the ash tray today. How do I replace it?

Camaro/Firebird Forums
- - - My girl slept with my brother and my wife. How can I kill 'em? btw, I have a record and I ain't going back.

Mustang (Chevelle) forums
- - -Some punk kid in a Civic tried to race me.

Monte Carlo forums
- - -Why do I keep getting pulled over, it ain't stolen yo.

Civic forums
- - -Some punk kid in a Mustang tried to race me.

VW Bug forum
- - - The Save the Earth concert was a success (pics)

Yugo Forum
- - - When's the last time yours ran?

Lamborghini forum
- - - Wind noise around 210MPH

Miata forums
- - - Some redneck jackass in a Chevy Tahoe just ran over my car (pics)

Chevy Tahoe forum
- - -Miata stuck in my undercarriage. How do I safely remove it? (pics)

Pontiac Fiero forum
- - - Just bought a new flame retardant suit (pics)

BMW 7-series forum
- - - Where to get service on my Rolex?

Cadillac forum
- - - Problems parallel parking at bingo.

Chevy Suburban Forum
- - - Is the price of gas going down anytime soon?

Buick Forum
- - - Is Medicare or Medicaid right for me?

Delorean forum
- - - Just got back from the future and blew a head gasket. Please help. I'm from 1985.

Crown Victoria forum
- - - How come people never pass me on the highway?

Honda Accord forum
- - - Mom is giving me the car. Looking for some cheap, used 18 inch rims.

Toyota Echo forum
- - - Do our cars use AAA or AA's?

Ferrari forums
- - - Need suggestions about a business trip to Colombia. Want to get in and out fast.

Porsche forums
- - - Tire just went flat. Is it best to trade or sell the car myself?

Saturn forums
- - - Roman candle landed on my fender. Melted and need to replace.

Jaguar forum
- - - Is the carbon fiber dash kit group-buy still on?

Mercedes forum
- - - My wife and her stink hole lawyer are trying to ruin me in divorce court. How do I get them both killed and not get in trouble with my medical board?

Mini forum
- - - Just flipped the Cooper after seeing The Italian Job. Suing the movie company. (pics)

Dodge Viper forum
- - - I frightened myself on the way home from work yesterday. How to get pee stains out of the leather?

McLaren F1 forum
- - -Some punk kid in a F16 tried to race me.

Dodge Minivan forum
- - - Where's the best place to post the soccer schedule so I don't forget where I'm supposed to be?

Hummer forum
- - - Had a fender bender today. 24 hurt, 10 killed. Do I have to get the black touch-up paint from the dealer? He's 25 miles away. That's $35 in gas.

Fiat forum
- - -Hello? Am I the only member?

Subaru WRX forum
- - - I hate cops. Got ticketed for drifting in the Walmart parking lot.

Chevy pickup forum
- - - How do I git the dried tobacco juice stains off the side of mah truck?

SRT Forums
"Will this void my warranty"

RX7 Forums
- - - 13B Groupbuy full, stop PM'ing me.

DSM Forums
- - -Transmission Groupbuy Full stop PM'ing me

Supra Forums
- - -Head to big to fit in car, should have bought a Targa.

Vette Forums
- - -Why did I pay $50k for something with a Cavalier steering wheel?

Ford 2.3 forums
- - -Help! Replaced everything, still doesn't start!




Posted by: Bobaroo

Saw it on Automay already! You're to late!



Posted by: Gerbilo

yeah, but i'm guessing others haven't seen it



Posted by: Bix VT

I hadn't.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobaroo
And if my car was a standard it would beat the saturn


convert it or find one that's a stick and I'll put $100 on that race.

and what I meant by "anything you can throw at it" was a shot at your car, not literally meaning that you should borrow another person's car, because I know the Saturn can't take everything.



Posted by: Gerbilo

I'll bet on the ZX2 on that one
from all that i've seen on paper the ZX2 is about 1-5-2 seconds quicker in the 0-60



Posted by: Bix VT

what website are you using to compare?



Posted by: Gerbilo

general info i've found over time
i've always seen the SC2 listed in the 9.5s range and the Zx2 in the 7.5-8.0 range


hrm... i went and checked edmunds... the Zx2 is 8.3s on there
and the SC2 is 8.6s

HP and LBFT : lbs the Zx2 is ahead in both



Posted by: Bobaroo

edmunds the Zx2 is 7.8

Performance
Acceleration (0-60 mph): 7.8 sec. Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 143 ft.
Road Holding Index: .78 g Base Number of Cylinders: 4
Base Engine Size: 2 liters Base Engine Type: Inline 4
Horsepower: 130 hp Max Horsepower: 5750 rpm
Torque: 127 ft-lbs. Max Torque: 4250 rpm
Maximum Towing Capacity: 1000 lbs. Drive Type: FWD
Turning Circle: 31.5 ft.



Posted by: Bix VT

curb weight?



Posted by: Gerbilo

My stupid Comparo!

1998 Ford Escort 2 Dr ZX2 Coupe
Curb Weight: 2478 lbs.
Number of Cylinders: 4
Engine Size: 2 liters
Horsepower: 130 hp@5750 rpm
Torque: 127 ft-lbs@ 4250 rpm
Powerband: 1500rpm
Turning Circle: 31.5 ft.
Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 143 ft.
Road Holding Index: .78 g
Acceleration (0-60 mph): 7.8 sec.

1997 Saturn S-Series 2 Dr SC2 Coupe
Curb Weight: 2385 lbs
Number of Cylinders: 4
Engine Size: 1.9 liters
Horsepower: 124 hp@5600 rpm
Torque: 122 ft-lbs@4800 rpm
Powerband: 800rpm
Turning Circle: 37.1 ft.
Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 144 ft.
Road Holding Index: .80 g
Acceleration (0-60 mph): 8.6 sec.

2000 Acura Integra 2 Dr GS-R Hatchback
Curb Weight: 2672 lbs
Number of Cylinders: 4
Engine Size: 1.8 liters
Horsepower: 170 hp@7600 rpm
Torque: 128 ft-lbs@6200 rpm
Powerband: 1400rpm
Turning Circle: 34.8 ft.
Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 128 ft.
Road Holding Index: .84 g
Acceleration (0-60 mph): 7.1 sec.


2000 Honda Civic 2 Dr EX Coupe
Curb Weight: 2513 lbs.
Number of Cylinders: 4
Engine Size: 1.6 liters
Horsepower: 127 hp@6600 rpm
Torque: 107 ft-lbs.@5500 rpm
Powerband: 1100rpm
Turning Circle: 32.8 ft.
Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 146 ft.
Road Holding Index: .78 g
Acceleration (0-60 mph): 8.5 sec.



Posted by: Gerbilo

as you can see, bobber has more hp/lbs tq/lbs and a much larger powerband.



Posted by: Gerbilo

oh yeah, i was bored



Posted by: Bobaroo

o yea mines a 1999, same thing though.


I got the biggest engine and powerband! YAY!



Posted by: Bix VT

dude my powerband is only 800rpm? sure doesn't seem like it, must be the short gear ratios.

bobbo, your car is about 100lbs more than mine but I probably weigh 100 lbs more than you so it cancels it out... best way to get rid of weight in your car: lose weight yourself.



Posted by: Gerbilo

or it could be the fact that it is low and slow
what is your gearing at anyway? I know mine has a 4.400 final drive.. other than that I can look but...
roughly the shift points for me are as follows:
Oh yes, this is at 8300rpm BTW.
1st 40mph
2nd 70mph
3rd 90mph
4th 120mph
5th technically runs to 166mph but stock it won't go much over 152ish

my 5th gear RPMs are easy to calculate
40mph = 2000rpm
60mph = 3000rpm
80mph = 4000rpm

i'm just glad I don't have a JDM B16 trans... 80mph in 5th is like 5500rpm



Posted by: Bobaroo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bix VT
dude my powerband is only 800rpm? sure doesn't seem like it, must be the short gear ratios.

bobbo, your car is about 100lbs more than mine but I probably weigh 100 lbs more than you so it cancels it out... best way to get rid of weight in your car: lose weight yourself.



you're 250-260?



Posted by: Gerbilo

i need to cut weight... personally would be cool... maybe i'll burn some off lifting out my seats and spare tire?



Posted by: Bobaroo

one seat is needed. Strip the whole interior!



Posted by: Gerbilo

I'm tempted to remove my rear seats and just carpet the whole back to match the hatch....
people bitch and complain about riding in the back of my car... it's too small.. it's too bumpy... it's too low...

if i take the seats out i bet you they bitch that they can't get a ride



Posted by: Bix VT

hahahahaha I say burn all the whiners and upholster the sheetmetal.

And yeah bobaroo, food > me



Posted by: Bobaroo

Gerb, **** them!

They complain...NO RIDE FOR THEM!


Haha, be like my friend and his Z....no back seat there!



Posted by: Bix VT

people always whine about my back seat but I like it. massively deep bucket seats, with much sinkage. sure, you get a lot better acquainted with your knees, but I find the fetal position quite calming.



Posted by: Bix VT

geez I wish it would stop raining...I hate driving in the rain.

(bump)



Posted by: Spork Lover

http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=101065



Posted by: Bix VT

Quote:

Ford has pulled the plug on the next-generation F-150 Lightning SVT pickup truck, instead putting all SVT's eggs into one basket - the SVT Cobra Mustang, due in 2006 as an '07 model.


that stang had better be making at LEAST 600hp...



Posted by: Gerbilo

BULLSHIT! that new Lightning was going to kick ass! I have pics somewhere from the Chicago AutoShow... it had a feature which rerouted the AC compressor into a superdense charged cold intake system... coolest feature evar!!



Posted by: Spork Lover

Dodge just recently patented a Super Chiller system similar to the Ford one..... could get interesting.

Also the next gen SRT-10 that has been shown off has an unknown powerplant under the hood. When the vehicle is showed off they are not allowing engine bay shots.

C6 Z06 is also confirmed to be packing a 7.0L. Look out Dodge/Ford.... GM is gonna have a pure bred race car knocking you off your pedastals.



Posted by: Gerbilo

Mmmmm... that's how the Good C5 Z06s are Z07 kit, 422ci



Posted by: Bix VT

I am also hearing good things about the C6 Z06...I'm hoping it will provide some good viper competition.



Posted by: Gerbilo

I want Top Gear to test it



Posted by: Spork Lover

Top Gear doesnt like the Vette. It doesnt like the fact that it uses Fiberglass for body panels, and uses plastic for the rear bumper, and they definitely don't know how to drive one.....



Posted by: Bobaroo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bix VT
I am also hearing good things about the C6 Z06...I'm hoping it will provide some good viper competition.



And it looks sooo sexy



Posted by: armystud0911

I would have to say they did a lot to win me back, I was a little impressed with the C5 as it offered slightly better looks than the hideous C4. muscle cars have been going down hill in looks since the 60s with a slght bump in the hill around 2000, lets hope that they continue to get better.



Posted by: Gerbilo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spork Lover
Top Gear doesnt like the Vette. It doesnt like the fact that it uses Fiberglass for body panels, and uses plastic for the rear bumper, and they definitely don't know how to drive one.....


The Stig knows how to drive it, and I wanna see the Z06 climb even higher on their power lap list

Richard doesn't know how to drive it and Clarkson doesn't like anything that isn't british or ferrari.



Posted by: Bix VT

as long as they steer away from the whole crossfire look, we should be fine.

and yeah bobbo, the C6 looks soooo nice. It's like a C5 had sex with pininfarina.

Edit: Jim, I need your nitto stuff...



Posted by: Gerbilo

http://www.teamgt.it/varano04/360rossi.wmv

a honda hunting ferraris! haha

actually it's a Honda S2000 tailing a coupla Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradales



Posted by: Gerbilo

Gran Turismo 4 pics
OMG OMG OMG

http://image.com.com/gamespot/image...4_screen061.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/image...4_screen175.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/image...4_screen185.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/image...4_screen216.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/image...4_screen402.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/image...4_screen571.jpg



Posted by: Bix VT



GT4 ROXORZ MY BOXORZ!

oh and the movie...LOL the Ferraris kept pulling away from the turbo S2000, but the drivers had no idea how to corner those machines...



Posted by: Bobaroo

When does GT4 come out? or is it?



Posted by: Gerbilo

um, Dec. 3 is the last that I heard, although it keeps changing



Posted by: Bix VT

Doesn't matter, I'm buying a PS2 just so I can play it.



Posted by: Bobaroo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerbilo
um, Dec. 3 is the last that I heard, although it keeps changing



Yea...xmass gift!


And NFSU 2 comes out 11/15 which is a fun ricer game



Posted by: Spork Lover

GT4 has a SRT-4 in it!!!! watch out you Honda tunerz!

I dont know how I'll deal with GT4.... Im still sucked into GTA:SA

Good news, mechanic's strike is over.... I can get my Stage I installed! woohoo



Posted by: Bix VT

go for it sporky! give us some before and after dyno and 1/4 runs.

oh, and NFSU 2 has the SRT-4 in it as well. I'm happy that they put in a lot of real cars this time, and not just civics, neons and sentras...at least they have a Mustang, SRT-4, EVO and some other nice cars. Now if only they could provide a body kit that doesn't look 115% ricey...



Posted by: tlake

I have a 1979 AMX that I am restoring. A 1980 AMX is the wallpaper on my PC!

http://www.amx-perience.com/1979SpiritAMX.htm

My dad had an early Firebird once, always liked that car.

http://www.er3.com/firebird/



Posted by: Bix VT

The AMX is a nice car, but I personally would prefer a Boss 429 or a Chevelle SS.



Posted by: Spork Lover

that looks like it could have been what the Starion/Conquest was based on



Posted by: Qui Gon-Jinn

guess my dream car has and forever will be a 77 Chevelle SS

and I still have the 62 Chevy P/U sitting in my dad's yard rusting quietly.. man I would love to restore that truck.. just need the cash



Posted by: NoMaD

*BUMP* I couldn't just let one of my favorite threads to die



Posted by: Bix VT

...dude I just watched your sig. that is HILARIOUS.

oh and yeah my car needs a new fuel pump and filter.



Posted by: NoMaD

lol thanks. I love CS and all the weird and funny things that it entails. Sorry to hear about the pump man. The last time I had a prob with my pump I had to make several return trips before they finally gave me the right damn pump. Wasn't to happy about that needless to say



Posted by: Bix VT

ugh and I jsut noticed a wheel noise today as well...funny, they JUST FIXED IT. geez I need to start going to a different place to fix my car.



Posted by: Bobaroo

new car



Posted by: Gerbilo

bad bearing???

AK sent this to me and it fits this topic.

How not to dyno your car



Posted by: Maverick

hahahaha.. great vid. that'd prolly happen to me in the contra elantra lol.



Posted by: Bix VT

ah, the intelligence of VW owners...

yeah but see they JUST repacked the bearings. 5 days ago. hence my frustration.



Posted by: Gerbilo

you could always drive it off a cliff... but it is a saturn.. so it might bounce... haha
Check your alignment maybe.

oh yeah, bad news, GT4 has been pushed back a month.



Posted by: Bix VT

stupid sony.

yeah I thought it might be alignment as well but I just had that checked too...oh wait, it was at the same place.

so pissed.



Posted by: Gerbilo

is it only from one wheel or multiple?



Posted by: Bix VT

WOAH.

my wheel almost fell off last night. I think I know the problem, I'm going to go tighen all the lug nuts and get back to you guys.



Posted by: Gerbilo

AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
*deep breath*
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH



Posted by: Bix VT

OMFG they forgot to TIGHTEN THE LUG NUTS!!! I guess they were just on there hand tight or something...man that was STUPID of them. Still making noise at 35 and 60mph...but nowhere else. I'm going to go in and yell at them for being morons and make them FIX THE PROBLEM



Posted by: Maverick

yes, tight lug nuts are very essential for certain safety reasons, both of your own, and other on the road.


In other news, the 3 most badass cars in the world:


http://www.86ed.org/images/2484cars.JPG

Cabell's Old Toyota, My New 2004 Korean-Mobile, and Bryans Old-Ass Buick!


own3d.



Posted by: Gerbilo

Right kevin, right haha

Here is a video that my friend made w/ a few of our other friends and their cars, shitty quality, but quick load.

EG Squad



Posted by: Maverick

you're just jealous....


stfu



Posted by: Gerbilo

Jealous of what? haha
I drove a Buick for a few weeks if you remember.. i was used to driving my car... so every corner in the buick i'd squeal the tires and shit



Posted by: armystud0911

I'm driving an old 89 buick century these days, the corolla has seen better decades. I actually like it in many ways, it is the quitest thing I have ever been in on the interstate and the engine has some really decent accel, I have the 3300 now. In HS I drove a century woody wagon (those were the days...) with the 2800 and it was sloooowww! However, I reall miss my stick corolla, I just don't feel the chemistry as much with automatics.



Posted by: Bix VT

omg teh quicktime

no apple crap on my pc so I cant watch teh 1337 movi3

in other news, my car is burning 2 quarts of mobil 1 between oil changes.



Posted by: Spork Lover

haha @ the three greatest cars 3var! good stuff.

Gerb one of these days I'm going to make my way north to hang out with the Chicago SRT-4 crowd.... and then prove to you that Boost is the way to go... eff the NA honda swaps..... boost it! pssssssssh (thats the BOV sound)

Bix..... so have you tried going back to dino oil? Is it leaking the oil... or is it actually being burned and you are smoking? Sounds like a typical saturn (no offense).



Posted by: AK47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerbilo

Here is a video that my friend made w/ a few of our other friends and their cars, shitty quality, but quick load.

EG Squad


!



Posted by: Gerbilo

my friend ricky's car in that video is a honda... it's boosted.. it'll run yours good

btw, have you been to the track yet? some ****up i always talk to keeps telling me that STOCK SRT-4s run 13.3s and lower



Posted by: AK47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerbilo
my friend ricky's car in that video is a honda... it's boosted.. it'll run yours good


But I'm still laughing at the video.

the cars.... the music... the editing

It's too much!



Posted by: Bix VT





Posted by: Spork Lover

Bix go to Dino Oil... it's particles are larger than synthetic.... and use a weight that is one step up.



Posted by: Gerbilo

new rings bizzatch!
My friend nick's car is burning a bit lately, he also just lost reverse haha. you could be worse off



Posted by: Maverick

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerbilo
Jealous of what?


My 00ber HAWT KARZZZ!



Posted by: Hambones

Anyone played NFS 2 Underground. I've played it every nigt for a week and it makes me drive crazy. I find myself randomly powersliding through intersections in my Tundra.



Posted by: Bobaroo

Yea its a good game



Posted by: AK47

Snoop doing a remix of Riders on the Storm with the remaing members of the Doors = cool

They're all going to perform it live on Spike TV's video game award show this December



Posted by: Gerbilo

I'm like 35% thru w/ it already... yeah i haven't been to class in a coupla days.



Posted by: tovarich

I have a Rover 75 ; 6 cyl. 150 hp beautiful car made in cooperation with BMW when they owned Rover. You americans will always want a european car if you can afford one. I saw more Bmw's and Audis in Boston ,when we were there in September this year ,than in Germany. You wouldn't want to buy cars with big engines and huge consumption if you had to pay nearly 5 $ per gallon like we have to. " The truth is too qsimple for us "



Posted by: Gerbilo

The SUV craze here is stupid, don't ask me why when it comes to that. I have no problem putting a large displacement motor in a sports car though.



Posted by: Gerbilo

Winter is now here, so i figured it was time to put my winter wheels/tires on. had to add a lil flash to them though hahaha


pardon my filthy ass car but...
the bling rings!



Posted by: Bix VT

omg you are teh 1337 now! people around here think that black rims like that with no hubcaps are the best thing ever. oh, except the mexicans. they like the plastic spinner hubcaps you buy at walmart.
Quote:

Originally Posted by AK47
Snoop doing a remix of Riders on the Storm with the remaing members of the Doors = cool

They're all going to perform it live on Spike TV's video game award show this December


best song on that soundtrack. I love it.

edit: what's taking you guys so long to beat the game? I finished it on the 20th.



Posted by: NoMaD

I had it beat the day after I got it. I say I beat it but it says only 72% complete. Oh well, just gotta look harder for the races that aren't shown next time.



Posted by: Bobaroo

I have a life.....and school work.


Where can you see the percentage complete?



Posted by: Bix VT

yeah nomad, I got the game on the 18th in the am, spent the rest of the 18th on a plane to utah, got in, slept, woke up, played, slept, woke up, beat it at about 11am on the 20th.

fun game, although repetitive.



Posted by: Gerbilo

i haven't played since the 18th



Posted by: Gerbilo

Better daytime shot of the bling rings haha



Posted by: Bix VT

snow sucks for fwd

rwd is fun though, and 4wd is teh awesome



Posted by: TheeMon

hey a car question...

how can i tell if a car/truck can make it long distances?(6 1/2 hours to be exact)



Posted by: Bix VT

if it runs good it'll do it. check the wheels and engine, those are the most critical to long distance driving



Posted by: Spork Lover

Gerb the bling is the r0x0rz! I see some snow stuck up there... down here it did nothing....except freeze my doors shut!!!!!!!

FWD rocks in the snow.... just have to know you to have fun with it. My car's suspensions was tuned with SCCA driving in mind... and they tunes alot of oversteer into it..... so its a FWD car with a rear that's not hard to get tail happy in the turns (without the parking brakes).... that rocks!



Posted by: Gerbilo

yup sporko, my car is similar

when it snowed last night it was slush, then it froze and it's just all ice



Posted by: Bobaroo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bix VT
snow sucks for fwd

rwd is fun though, and 4wd is teh awesome



http://bobaroo.net/files/tard.gif


fwd is the best in the snow



Posted by: Superfly3176

Quote:

The SUV craze here is stupid, don't ask me why when it comes to that. I have no problem putting a large displacement motor in a sports car though.


Its for 4wd its because your bigger than other vehicles on the road. This ensures the safety of yourself. I know when i sit up in my dad's truck and drive I feel tons safer Ever see a truck-car accident? Unless your driving like a dodge d50 the truck usually wins.

And FWD sucks for the snow, unless you like to have fun (ie me). My mom told me last year the malibu was the worst car she ever drove in the snow so i tried the slippin and sliding out.



Posted by: Cheese

It'd be interesting to see how you drove in the snow with RWD...



Posted by: Gerbilo

No reason why a Malibu would be bad in the snow unless one didn't know how to drive it. My old civic sucked cause of the tires that were on it, didn't take much to figure out though and it was rather fun most of the time. People suck nowadays though, everything has traction control and all that crap.



Posted by: NoMaD

Quote:

Where can you see the percentage complete?

Hit T while in game. What cars do you guys use? I personally prefer my RX-8, which I have tuned and tweaked to the point of it being able to break into the mid to low 7's on the 1/4.



Posted by: Bix VT

bobbo I'm talking fun factor here not best for safe driving

IMO it's best to have a car that's rock-solid in the snow until you jab the gas real quick...drove an older BMW 5 series last year, that's what I'm using as a reference

and wtf is up with fwd cars having oversteer, everyone is always like "oh, fwd cars can't turn because etc..." but then mine goes into a drift whenever I ask it to...

w/e

edit: I can't take any responsibility for anything in the above post as I just woke up and am stil tired



Posted by: Maverick

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerbilo
everything has traction control and all that crap.

Yea, just ask casey. omgwtf lize



Posted by: AK47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maverick
Yea, just ask casey. omgwtf lize


Brilliant



Posted by: Spork Lover

Oversteer is what allows you to drift in those turns. Most FWD cars are tuned with mild understeer. Oversteer is what lets you get crazy in those turns.


I personally think and AWD car would be the most fun in snow... RWD is better on regular ol dry pavement.



Posted by: Superfly3176

Quote:

No reason why a Malibu would be bad in the snow unless one didn't know how to drive it. My old civic sucked cause of the tires that were on it, didn't take much to figure out though and it was rather fun most of the time. People suck nowadays though, everything has traction control and all that crap.


Its a number of things the tires could be one. And my mom is a sucky driver (She just thinks she's better than me cuz she drives slow). And there really isnt much weight on the back of a malibu. Not in the 2000's anyway. The new ones they made fatter and bigger.



Posted by: Gerbilo

I learned my winter tires aren't designed for performance on dry at all. I wanted to see how they'd hold up and I launched at like 3000rpm and they just left two big stripes down my friends street haha.



Posted by: TheeMon

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheeMon
hey a car question...

how can i tell if a car/truck can make it long distances?(6 1/2 hours to be exact)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bix VT
if it runs good it'll do it. check the wheels and engine, those are the most critical to long distance driving



this the only reply to my question? wtf kinda car ppl are you...



Posted by: Spork Lover

Best thing to do is get it checked out by a mechanic thee. If you doubt whether or not it will make it... then maybe you should go with your gut instinct to be safe.



Posted by: Bix VT

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheeMon
this the only reply to my question? wtf kinda car ppl are you...


ok you know what I would explain things in detail BUT YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT A CAR PERSON

now see, if spork or gerb had asked taht question then I could be like "oh, you do yadda" and they would understand me because they are into cars. dude you didn't even know what MAKE your truck was.

btw gerb, I'll have to take a pic of what my mom did to the speed bump in front of my house one day after I pissed her off



Posted by: Gerbilo

lol, ok

i hate speed bumps, atleast my winter tires lift my car like 1/2 an inch... they are still the wrong profile tho so i'm worried what happens if I hit a bump going fast...



Posted by: Superfly3176

Thats why trucks pwn. A big one is expensive though. 8 cyl 4x4 5.0 or bigger on 30's or bigger. Alot of mountains in northeast pa. trucks are the shiznat. Also alot of places to bottom out.



Posted by: TheeMon

the reason i didnt know what make my truck was was because it wasnt mine yet, my friend said hed give it too me and i only seen it a few times, i never really looked at it...



Posted by: Spork Lover

Gerb watch out for tires that will lift your car that much. it will show incorrect speedo info.



Posted by: Bix VT

werd I've had that happen to a friend of mine when he got 19 inchers for his civic (wtf that look so bad)

he had to get his speedo adjusted



Posted by: Gerbilo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spork Lover
Gerb watch out for tires that will lift your car that much. it will show incorrect speedo info.


Eh, it'll only be 1-2 mph i think
my normal tires are 195/55s these are 185/65s



Posted by: Bix VT

oh then that shouldnt be a problem



Posted by: Gerbilo

pardon the filthy ass car, but,
here is the tuck that I have with these tires haha, tire is about 3/4" into the wheel well, ... whoops haha



Posted by: Bix VT

lol

hey did you buy those rims aftermarket or what?



Posted by: VERCETTI

What I have been playing in:
65 Conv Stang 289 4 in the floor!
http://usera.imagecave.com/firstban...ip_image002.jpg
68 Vette:
http://usera.imagecave.com/firstban...st/IMAG0017.JPG
55 BelAir
http://usera.imagecave.com/firstban...st/IMAG0018.JPG
69SS Chevelle
http://usera.imagecave.com/firstban...st/PICT0008.JPG
But sold all those, now I drive my usualy car...lol
2003 Toyota Matrix XR
http://usera.imagecave.com/firstban...st/IMAG0003.JPG



Posted by: taco_fox

Quote:

Originally Posted by VERCETTI
But sold all those, now I drive my usualy car...lol
2003 Toyota Matrix XR

http://corn.tacofox.net/cornsad.gif



Posted by: VERCETTI

Its not bad, better on Gas than the others...lol



Posted by: Bobaroo

My cousin has a 04 XRS...not a bad car at all



Posted by: VERCETTI

Yea the XRS has the 180HP Celica GT motor



Posted by: Bix VT

gas schmas. I have driven a both and I'd take a 289 stang over ANY matrix. not to mention the vette and SS...wtf were you thinking?



Posted by: VERCETTI

They were not totally mine, was selling them for a commission, but got to play with them as I sold them



Posted by: Spork Lover

Gerb... here is a new forum that might appel to you....

www.midwestboost.com Deals with Force induction cars. Hey try to guess what my user name is over there!



Posted by: Gerbilo

i don't see "mymoparislame" so i guess you must be sporklover haha

but check out www.mwir.net i'm a whore in the forums, try to guess what my user name is! haha



Posted by: Bix VT



hey do you guys know what would cause a sound VERY similar to a bad wheel bearing, but it only shows up from 33-40mph and also 63-68 mph?



Posted by: AK47

lol fast saturn



Posted by: VERCETTI

UV joint going bad?



Posted by: Gerbilo

where is the sound coming from, can you tell?



Posted by: Maverick

arse?



Posted by: Gerbilo

are you in the same RPM range when you hear it?



Posted by: Maverick

hahaha, i say arse, and you ask a new question. way to be son. get the recon.



Posted by: Bix VT

rpm means nothing, it's definately a running gear noise. I can be at 6k or 1k, the only difference is tht at 6k the engine is a lot louder than the noise.

and as far as I can tell, it's from the front left wheel.



Posted by: Spork Lover

bix get that thing in the air and rotate the wheel... what sounds does it make then?


2006 Z06 = th3 sex. I will have a Z06 someday! I can get a nice used one now.... but the GF thinks eating and living somewhere other than a car is more important...... pffft.



Posted by: Bix VT

righto, I'll get it lifted up and see if it still makes noise.

and I make the same argument with my parents all the time. It's not like you live in your house any time but on the weekends anyway...



Posted by: Gerbilo

2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z06

0 -> 60 in 3.8 sec.

Top Speed 200 MPH

2,900 lbs

Chassis & Suspension development by Pratt & Miller,
Aluminum Hydroformed frame produced by DANA
- 345/30x19 Rears
- 6 piston Front, 4 piston Rear Brake Calipers
- Cross Drilled (cast and chamfered) Rotors (possibly Brembo)

Engine Development by KaTech
To be hand built by new HP Engine Plant

LS7 427ci/ 7.0L. 500HP/500 Ft Lbs (512 HP derated to 500HP)
- 2 OHV (3 OHV not necessary for target HP)
- Raced based CNC ported Aluminum Head with 70cc chambers
- 11.0:1 CR
- 46 mm (1.81") Titanium Intake valve
- 41 mm (1.61") Na filled Exhaust Valve
- 104.8 mm Bore (4.125") , 101.6 mm Stroke (4.0") Aluminum block
- Forged Crank
- Forged 6 bolt main Bearing Caps
- Titanium Rods
- Cast Aluminum Flat Top Pistons
- 0.591" Lift Cam (15 mm)
- Dry Sump
- 90 mm Throttle Body on Composite manifold
- Ram Air



Posted by: Gerbilo

We also had a lil MWIR meet tonite, i'll give more info and pics tomorrow after i've gotten some sleep.

here's a teaser for ya

http://www.lickmyupload.us/upload/egmt001.jpg



Posted by: Bix VT

so much rice...:drool:



Posted by: Bobaroo

I see no rice

Beautiful picture



Posted by: Gerbilo

The only ricy car there IMO was an orange civic w/ orange wheels.... tame body kit and some other "ricy" stuff, but he also had a giant FMIC right behind his bumper so.... yeaah haha

unfortunately, MOST of the pictures didn't come out. My friend was takin the pics and since it was dark he had long exposure setting on and his hands were shaking because it was cold, or the lighting just sucked. I would have liked a nice closeup shot of every car there since there were so many sweet cars, but i'll post up the rest of the pics shortly



Posted by: Gerbilo

Well, we got bored, so on Wednesday we decided we should plan a meet here in Chi-town. Despite the fact it's the middle of December, we had a rather large turnout. We met up at Benihana and those of us that were baller enough to afford dinner ate. Afterwards we realized the parking lot wasn't nearly large enough so we decided to move to the next one. As stated, we had a pretty good turnout, about 30 cars with our group. The next lot over Chicago RSX was having a meet, and across the street Chicago DSM was setting up against Naperville DSM. Pretty much constant sound of BOVs and exhaust the entire time we were there due to everyone coming and going for all the meets.

most of the pictures didn't come out due to lighting problems or the fact that it was so damn cold no one could hold their hands still.
but anyway, here ya go, pics thanks to Ricky and Rich.


mmm benihana, such JDM dinner!
http://six30.net/EGSquad/benihana/1.jpg
eating dinner
http://six30.net/EGSquad/benihana/2.jpg
our original spot outside the restaurant
http://six30.net/EGSquad/benihana/6.jpg
one of my favorite cars, Dan's K20-R powered Midori EK...
http://six30.net/EGSquad/benihana/7.jpg
http://six30.net/EGSquad/benihana/8.jpg
my mad tyte JDM "**** you"
http://six30.net/EGSquad/benihana/9.jpg
pics in the new lot
http://six30.net/EGSquad/benihana/10.jpg
http://six30.net/EGSquad/benihana/12.jpg
http://six30.net/EGSquad/benihana/14.jpg
http://six30.net/EGSquad/benihana/15.jpg
mmmm JDM front end
http://six30.net/EGSquad/benihana/16.jpg
http://six30.net/EGSquad/benihana/17.jpg
http://six30.net/EGSquad/benihana/11.jpg


For those that don't know honda's that well. That Midori Green hatchback... yeah, that motor is a K20-R aka an imported Integra Type R motor out of the RSX body style integra... 220hp stock in a car that weighs 2100lbs...



Posted by: Gerbilo

http://www.lickmyupload.us/upload/egmt002.jpg
http://www.lickmyupload.us/upload/egmt003.jpg



Posted by: Gerbilo

haha, one last picture, my good friend Nick's EG hatch and my car... yes... Ricky is kissing my Bling Rings because they are that awesome!



Posted by: Bix VT

I'm personally not impressed by any civic around these parts unless I see an intercooler behind the bumper...but that would probably be because nobody around here knows how to do an engine buildup without boost.



Posted by: Gerbilo

There were only a few boosted civics, most were all motor, and most were pretty quick. I know Dan's car ran 13.2 on street tires, i have a picture of that somewhere from that day, the black hatch w/ red wheels was high 12s I think. One of the black EKs has either a built B16A or a B18C5, low 13s there as well.... all 3 are N/A



Posted by: Maverick

seeing your car is soooo funny jimbo



Posted by: Bix VT

look who's talking



Posted by: Gerbilo

+1 for bix! haha



Posted by: Maverick

thats not how i meant it tard



Posted by: Pepsi-Man[OTS]

come to my group page and check out the cars...

http://groups.myspace.com/thehondateam

my car is on the bottom right of the group pics



Posted by: Bix VT

be original. just like everyone else.



Posted by: Gerbilo

join the honda-tech group on there pepsi! i'm somewhere on it.



Posted by: Gerbilo

oh yeah! i think we got some nice footage of my car going very very sideways and such, i'll see if i can get ahold of them



Posted by: Spork Lover

Gerb.... this feb we are going to coordinate my trip to the chicago auto show.



Posted by: Gerbilo

sweet, i'll have to see if I can set some more stuff up for when you are up here



Posted by: Bix VT

cool sideways = good

I was going to take a friend out to take a pic of my car in the air but then he moved



Posted by: Bobaroo

Saturns can fly?



Posted by: Pepsi-Man[OTS]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerbilo
join the honda-tech group on there pepsi! i'm somewhere on it.


im am a member of honda-tech lol. well the actual website you know honda-tech.com theres one on myspace? ill look for it



Posted by: Bix VT

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobaroo
Saturns can fly?


given the right conditions and going about 70, yes they can.

now I have to prove it...



Posted by: Gerbilo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepsi-Man[OTS]
im am a member of honda-tech lol. well the actual website you know honda-tech.com theres one on myspace? ill look for it


yeah, i'm on the actual forums, but yes, there is also a myspace group.



Posted by: Spork Lover

http://www.blueovalnews.com/2004/re....gt.19dec04.htm



Posted by: Gerbilo

ahhh good ole ford



Posted by: Bix VT

I'd gladly submit my vehicle for a recall and have several weeks of downtime if I had a GT. a crapload less than most supercars, yet in most cases, much quicker.

I'd be willing to put up with an aweful lot.



Posted by: Spork Lover

for a 100k car... Ford better be giving me one hell of a compensation package for that kind of a headache.... or buying it back. That is unacceptable. In fact in most states those cars can be lemon lawed. Ford is going to be butt kissing for a while. I would ask for a heavy discount on another FoMoCo vehicle so that I wouldnt have to return the car.

Im scared of ford... this is supposedly their best effort and they run into major problems.

1. Gas tank problems that require it to be replaced.... unnaceptable in a 100k car
2. A arm suspension breaks! that is ridiculous! This is supposed to be a dream ride, not something made from crappy parts
3. Heads cracking? It's a performance engine.... I'd be livid if my heads cracked on a 100k car and it was a manufacturing defect.
4. Cowl cracking and paint chipping? WTF..... its not a first gen neon!

for 100k I would go back and get my money and buy a C6 Z06.... and sit on the extra money I had left over.

On another note.... I would offer an owner 50k for his hehehehe.... for 50k I would buy a defective one off an owner!



Posted by: Bix VT

hmm...is there any other car that you can buy for the money that can keep up?

that you can buy retail, from the manufacturer, off the showroom floor, in it's original trim, with no mods. in fact, is there any car currently in production that is quicker? I only say that because the Enzo is now out of production.

and is there anyone that has actually had a head crack? only allegations, no actual proof, going by what you posted, of course.



Posted by: Spork Lover

Ford says there isnt any proof, according to what is listed with the NHTSA.... but there are complaints from owners.

http://motortrend.com/roadtests/cou...ndgt/index.html A SRT-10 vs Ford GT showdown. I never realized that dodge stepped up to the plate to play until I read this article. Can't wait to see what Chevy brings with their 500hp Z06.



Posted by: Gerbilo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bix VT
hmm...is there any other car that you can buy for the money that can keep up?


The C6 Z06 :-D

500hp and only 2900lbs.... that's a better power:weight than the GT and the Viper
I'm guessing it can outhandle the Viper as well, not sure about the GT.



Posted by: Bix VT

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bix VT
is there any car currently in production that is quicker?


Z06 = not in production. I have no doubt that the new Z06 will be the best buy ever, although I doubt it will hit 60 in 3.3 seconds.

Viper = not as quick (according to your article, I generally only trust data from C&D but...)

The GT may have it's problems, but it still seems to be the quickest to me...

Given a choice, I would pick the GT. but I doubt that I'll be the proud owner of that much money any time soon so...



Posted by: Spork Lover

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bix VT
Z06 = not in production. I have no doubt that the new Z06 will be the best buy ever, although I doubt it will hit 60 in 3.3 seconds.

Viper = not as quick (according to your article, I generally only trust data from C&D but...)

The GT may have it's problems, but it still seems to be the quickest to me...

Given a choice, I would pick the GT. but I doubt that I'll be the proud owner of that much money any time soon so...



Actually according to the article the Viper ran the 1/4 one hudreth of a second faster. Winning is winning... whether its by an inch or a mile It also stopped faster and better. The GT posted better slalom speeds, so theoretically it turns better, until a control arm breaks and sends the Ford GT driver to his death!!!!! (Until Feb). so if anything neither of the cars is faster than the other.... they are an even match and the winner would ultimately fall to the better driver.

Just wait until the Viper coupe is released as an 05 model. It will be more than 100lbs lighter than the roadster, and the chassis will be much more rigid.... and then it will be able to trump the Ford GT in all categories.



Posted by: Superfly3176

I raced an rx-8 today, he pulled up along side of me on 11&15 (we were doing about 60-65) at the time. Than I hit the gas and next thing i knew we were close to 100 mph. He pulled maybe a 1/2 car length ahead of me than I passed him (he left off, he just got the car i could tell by the piece of registration paper in the back window.) I was at 105 and about to hit the governor when this happened.

Oh well it was fun.

I think the viper is the better car, just my preference. If they used a supercharger thats serious hp. But for value/performance its easily the corvette c6.



Posted by: Bix VT

governed at 105? man, that sucks.

sporko:

TEST DATA (bold = won, left is viper, right is GT, taken from your own source)
Acceleration, sec
0-30 mph 1.7 1.7
0-40 mph 2.4 2.3
0-50 mph 3.0 2.9
0-60 mph 3.9 3.6
0-70 mph 4.8 4.7
0-80 mph 5.8 5.6
0-90 mph 7.0 6.5
0-100 mph 8.4 8.1
1/4 mile, sec @ mph 11.77 @ 123.63 11.78 @ 124.31
Braking, 60-0 mph, ft 97 111
600-ft slalom, mph 70.4 71.5

it seems to me that the only area in which the viper shines in comparison to the GT is braking. (you can't fault the viper's new brakes, they are a HUGE improvement over the '93 model and world class IMO)

so unless the only place you ever drive your GT is at the drag strip, I'd conclude that the GT wins. and 1/100th of a second? do a retest and it's likely that the times might chnage a bit in favor of either car.

granted, the viper is a whole lot cheaper, and I dare say, the best bang-for-the-buck car on the market. this is adding in swoon value, the fact that you will only see another of your same car once a month or so (how many Z06s do you see driving around? I personally see at least 2 per day around here) and, of course, the ever-important chick-magnet factor. It gets bonuses over the GT and the Z06 for having a soft top, and being more easily accessable (compared to the GT at least)



Posted by: Spork Lover

Bix you really are reaching! Those numbers look fine and dandy (the bold ones).... but the standard test for acceleration is the 1/4 and the Viper wins at the end of the day :P I'll disagree with you about looking at the slalom and determining that the FordGT will win on a track that has curves. That test is flawed because it only shows the side to side weight transfer.... not front to rear and vice versa..... and on a track typically the one that brakes last goes into and comes out of a turn faster.... given that all things are equal between cars like in this case....and the viper brakes better....but that is a test that probably neither Dodge nor Ford wants to participate in cause they dont want to give the other make bragging rights. Regardless.... Ford GT is still cool in my book... even though now owners cant drive 'em

Gerb.... everywhere I have read says 3100lbs for the C6 Z06! 500HP, 7.0L and 3100lbs = one fast car.... I wonder if it will dethrone the viper for a while......at least until the SRT-10 competition coupes come out (equivalent to the first gen GTS)



Posted by: Gerbilo

i'll see if i can dig up the stats i had for the Z06... badass though, ~2900-3100 was what i saw at first, then 2900.



Posted by: Bix VT

I guess my main point is that the ford seems to be the fastest on the road, (I generally don't do over 100 on the road, but that might change in a GT) and the track (although I would like to see some skidpad numbers)

hey, I just noticed...motor trend only got 3.6 to 60 out of the GT, whereas C&D got 3.3...I'd really like to see a real driver test these two cars head to head, these numbers as well as on a track.



Posted by: Bobaroo

Quote:

"If NASCAR had stricter homologation rules, Dale Earnhardt Jr. would be lapping Daytona in a front-drive four-door with V6 power. Alternatively, I suppose, your mother-in-law could cruise to the Piggly Wiggly in a tube-framed coupe with a live axle and a giant, four-barrel-fed V8.

Homologation requirements dictate how closely related a given racecar has to be to its roadgoing (purported) equivalent, and there's plenty of variety between various series when making those calls. In NASCAR, to race as a Ford or a Chevy pretty much just means slapping the appropriate grille-shaped decal onto the hood; in SCCA Spec Miata, some cars still carry their original license plates.

The closer a competition environment gets to making racecars remain true to their streetbound forebears, the more any manufacturer must either accept street-specific hardware on its track cars or give its production cars trackworthy goodies. The latter is obviously more enticing to the car-buying public, but it all can get taken too far. Street-legal "homologation specials" often end up being so expensive that no one can actually buy them, thereby defeating the whole purpose of street-car-based racing.

For most of Corvette history, a conflicted approach to motorsports—and therefore to cool homologation cars—has been an all-too-familiar bugbear. The Corvette Grand Sport of the early '60s is the most famous example, promising as it did the supercar to end all '60s supercars but delivering just a wistful what-if. Had the proposed 100+ streetable copies been built as FIA racing rules then required, it's reasonable to assume that street Corvettes might have been changed to this day. (Not that the Chevrolet camp probably intended to honor those totals in any case. Enzo Ferrari always played fast and loose with the FIA inspectors, so Zora Duntov is unlikely to have done any different.)

Regardless, while Corvette fans dreamed of Grand Sport homologation replicas, GM management wouldn't countenance even five cars, let alone 100 or more. As Corvette historian Karl Ludvigsen quoted GM chairman Frederic Donner saying in '64, "[Racing cars] are very different, however similar their names, from the cars built for sale to the general public…. They must possess qualities which aren't the same as those that the majority of the buying public seek in a car."

Such timidity didn't affect Donner's counterparts over at Ford. Later that same decade, the Dearborn crew tossed that narrow-minded stance out the window with the GT40 and went on to win Le Mans four times straight. The mid-engined miracle first ran as an unhomologated prototype, but eventually qualified itself as a production car thanks in part to a number of roadgoing copies.

Fast-forward to '05, when a mid-engined Ford with warmed-over GT40 lines has already been the darling of show stands and magazine covers for going on a year. Even the next-generation Corvette can't get as much play as the semi-serious Ford GT, but that's finally about to change: The new Z06 has arrived, and it's going to keep the '60s from happening all over again.

Corvette history, of course, has taken some much better turns since the era of Frederic Donner. The second half of the C4 generation, for example, saw Chevy re-embrace factory-backed racing with its very own series, the Corvette Challenge. Shortly thereafter, a limited-run supercar arrived in the form of the ZR1, followed by the FIA-legal (and eventually Le Mans-winning) C5R racer a decade later. Cap it all off with the low-volume Z06 of 2001-'04, and things must be looking up.

With the arrival of the C6, Corvette engineers got a nearly clean slate from which to create the next round of such street and racing successes, and the upcoming C6R and Z06 are the result. Indeed, the development teams elected to create the two virtually side-by-side, throwing away the notion that racecars and road cars must have little in common. Instead, this program proved that the goals of a sports car for both road and track could be furthered by studying them together.

The C6R is an extension of the highly successful C5R, while the Z06 is intended to be part supercar, part brand flagship, and part homologation special. And since neither machine had to fly under the radar this time (unlike the old Grand Sport) they were both free to take full advantage of the resources and skills of the whole corporation. More to the point, they could add to them.

In the car industry as a whole, the dream of a symbiotic relationship between street cars and track cars is nothing new. The reality is another matter, but the next Z06 could be the closest thing that Detroit has yet seen to this fantasy becoming fact.

One reason, obviously, for sharing the latest ideas between street cars and race cars is to "bring even more technology to the street for our customers," in the words of Corvette chief engineer Dave Hill. Yet while the idea that GM ever provides the best of anything out of sheer enthusiasm seems hard to swallow, Hill's most recent creations actually argue this point pretty well. Every boast about integrated race technology, state-of-the-art components, and specially developed hardware is verified just by looking.

The 2006 Z06 is constructed around a perimeter-style frame just like other Corvettes, but the main rails beneath it are hydroformed out of aluminum instead of steel. The front engine cradle on the street car is made of lightweight and robust magnesium. And where the final year of the old Z06 included a carbon-fiber hood largely for commemorative-edition fanfare, the new Z06 takes advantage of that exercise by including carbon-fiber front fenders and wheelhouses plus sheet-carbon floorboards surrounding the model's traditional balsa-wood core. There's a lightweight, non-removable magnesium roof panel that simultaneously lower the Cg and greatly increases rigidity. And despite the addition of numerous beefier, heavier performance components such as larger brakes, heavier antiroll bars, and wider wheels, the 2006 Z06 weighs nearly 50 pounds less than the standard C6 (or some 3130 total) thanks to the extensive use of advanced chassis and body materials.

On the outside, the Z06 body includes several visual updates to separate this FIA stalking horse from the cooking C6. The more obvious changes include a central hood intake, flared wheelarches stretching a full three inches wider than standard, cooling ducts for the rear brakes, stouter front-fender vents, and reworked nose and tail caps. It's a relatively short list of differences, but the changes are substantial enough to ensure that the new Z06 stands out even more than the much loved C5 version. On the inside, unique lighter, grippier leather seats are joined by a smaller and much more attractive three-spoke wheel, standard HUD and air conditioning, and reduced sound insulation.

Still, like its predecessor, the majority of the upgrades have taken place underneath, starting as always in the engine compartment. Followers of the C5R racing effort are well aware of that car's potent powerplant, a bored-and-stroked interpretation of the familiar Gen-III V8. With a huge 4.125-inch bore and four-inch stroke giving a Rat-sized 427 inches of displacement, the "smallblock" designation was somewhat of a misnomer for that engine, even though it retained the same external dimensions as its LS1/LS6 forebears.

That same 427 is slated to continue in the C6R, but thanks to the much closer relationship between road and race trim demanded by new FIA/ACO/ALMS rules, the roadgoing Z06 will get its own 427 (Mat-motor? Rouse-motor?) for 2006. The numbers are nothing short of staggering: a full 500 horses at 6200 rpm, 475 lbs-ft @ 4800, a sub-four 0-60 dash, and quarter-mile sprints in under 12 seconds—a set of bogus plates and a false identity card would be nice additions to the glovebox. Despite being essentially a re-thought race motor, this new Z06 mill (called LS7 by GM) also promises remarkable tractability, thanks to receiving the same level of engine-management attention given its junior cousins.

While its exterior dimensions and general layout are shared with the LS2, the new LS7 is based on a separate block casting and assembled by hand at GM's new Performance Build Center in Wixom MI. The punched-out aluminum block carries lightweight titanium conrods attached to aluminum flat-top pistons giving 11.0:1 compression. Six-bolt, CNC-machined, forged-steel main caps are needed to keep the assembly together.

CNC machining is also utilized on the new aluminum heads, which boast an 18% improvement in airflow over LS2 units. Nearly straight tunnel-like intake runners feed the air/fuel charge through huge 2.2-inch titanium intake valves while 1.62-inch, sodium-filled hollow exhaust valves let spent gasses back out. A hydraulic-roller cam provides a significant .591-inch lift, even before taking into account the super-high-ratio rocker arms.

As on the C6R's race engine, hydroformed four-into-one tubular headers carry the exhaust from the heads, after which it's routed into a model-unique set of catalytic converters and dual-mode mufflers. The latter include a vacuum-operated valve that stays closed at low revs to manage noise and opens at larger throttle angles for minimum backpressure. The engine is lubricated by racing-style dry-sump oiling, which ensures complete lubrication under all cornering loads. Despite the massive displacement, lightweight internals give the LS7 a 7000-rpm redline in roadgoing trim—a figure more commonly associated with multivalve twincam Fours than traditional pushrod V8s.

The LS7's significant output is channeled through a lightweight flywheel and clutch assembly feeding a strengthened version of the previous model's Tremec six-speed transaxle. This rear-mounted gearbox includes a pump that routes transmission fluid through the front radiator stack for additional cooling, after which the chilled fluid is also used to help cool the lubricant in the limited-slip diff on the way back. The latter unit features an enlarged ring-and-pinion assembly and turns upgraded halfshafts and U-joints.

Huge 325/30ZR19 rear Goodyears put the power to the ground; the matching Eagle F1 Supercars up front are 275/35ZR18s. These ride on Z06-specific split-spoke alloys measuring 18x9.5 front and an imposing 19x12 at the rear. The basic suspension layout is shared with the standard Corvette, but performance-directed upsizing of the spring rates, antiroll-bar diameters, and braking hardware sets the Z06 apart. The stopping is done by 14-inch vented and crossdrilled rotors up front and 13.4-inch pieces out back, an increase of more than an inch at both ends. New six-piston calipers in front and four-piston units in back handle the clamping needs.

Corvette enthusiasts will undoubtedly applaud the comprehensive component list associated with the new Z06, but all that hardware is certain to come with a price. While the previous Z06 was able to hit showroom floors with a very digestible sticker thanks to its focus on just a few well-placed modifications, the more complete package that comes with the C6 version will inevitably equate to a tougher-to-swallow tariff.

Chevy insiders have sworn on their dead grandmothers' graves that the base Porsche 911 price was the program's target, yet it's hard to believe all that carbon, aluminum, and other specialized hardware can really be delivered in the high-60s; even a $75,000 sticker would be a spectacular value, especially compared to the six-figure tab of the Ford GT. On the other hand, anything more than that sum is likely to raise unfortunate accusations of ZR1-itis—it's hard to see how Chevy can win either way.

Providing cutting-edge hardware to the always-loyal Corvette fans appears to have played a key role in the new Z06's formula, but GM's renewed dedication to racing carries most of the drive for this Corvette supercar. Not that it really matters—either one of these motivating factors would be cause for celebration, especially given the praise heaped on the marque's glamourous heroes of yesteryear. It's great to admire the Grand Sport and L88, but neither of those legends was the result of such a legitimate street/track partnership, and neither one's nearly this fast.

The Corvette family's fastest street car and fastest racecar now have more commonalities than differences: seven-liter powerplant, dry-sump oiling, lightweight chassis, carbon-fiber bodywork. In the more restrictive environment of 2005's racing rules that was inevitable, but GM could have just as easily chosen to downgrade the C6R or cease racing altogether. This time around the company has decided to do what's best for both the street and the track. History ought to be doubly kind to any Corvette that comes out of that."


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Posted by: Superfly3176

Yeah, but the viper is like 1/2 the price of the gt and the gt includes a supercharger that adds hp. Put a Hennessey Viper up against a gt. And I actually do believe that chevy's c6 is the best bang for buck. Supercharge that.

Here's a quick look at the Viper Venom. 100.13 bhp/Litre

http://www.supercars.net/cars/20***$Dodge%20Hennessey@$Viper%20Venom%20800TTx.html



Posted by: Spork Lover

Hennesey is a crook. Most viper owners in the know, know not to trust him.

Bix... Im sure track conditions had alot to do with the difference in numbers, as well as the testing philiosphies. c&d is not against track prep for cars, while motor trend is. MT likes to see the full 33psi of air in all tires. Also MT goes to dealerships to get cars when they can, while c&c often uses press mules.



Posted by: Gerbilo

The Viper Venom... you do know that the old civic SIs have that same hp/liter, and the honda is NA... but, that argument doesn't work here anymore, spork will tell you lol.



Posted by: Superfly3176

Quote:

The Viper Venom... you do know that the old civic SIs have that same hp/liter, and the honda is NA... but, that argument doesn't work here anymore, spork will tell you lol.


Yeah, because we all know honda could produce a V-10 car at 100 hp/litre. If Honda's innovations were that amazing they would have done it already. I'm sorry that you have to be doing 5 grand to get any HP out of VTEC design.

I guess its like my friend tells me, anyone with a 1.8 litre turbo car will race you because they have a 25HP turbo, but when it comes down to it his 4.6 litre mustang beats the shit out of them and when you add turbo chargers or superchargers to a V-8 20HP is stupid when you could get 100.

I think that the HP/litre argument is well founded, but I4s dont push out what v-8's do. So it seems like everyone has turned to ricerdom. Eh just give me a 528 Hemi in a challenger or barracuda. There you go, 610 NA HP and 600+ ft/lbs of torque.



Posted by: Bix VT

too bad your weight is also then about 4000 lbs...

anyway, sporky: let me have my moment. the GT is the quickest road legal vehicle currently in production. you can't really make a valid argument against that, other than your 1/100th of a second difference in the 1/4. even though the GT is faster in every other test.



Posted by: Spork Lover

Honda has already done it. They have built plenty of racing motors... including a v8 that domiantes indy racing... I mean used to... I believe they pulled out of indy racing.

Super... you arent looking for the right 4 bangers... there are plenty of them that put out phenominal power. And with my 4 bangers turbo I pick up roughly 100-110HP.... so it's not only a v8 that can show good returns on a forced induction.

I dont understand the everybody's automatic gravitation towards a v8 powered cars. 8 cylinders does not mean more power. Most v8's are heavy, and some cars a light enough so they could afford to go with a small light 4 banger to power them and allow them to match v8 powered cars. Lotus elise vs C5... case and point.

Oh yeah.... I eat 4.6L mustangs (stock ones anywho!)



Posted by: Superfly3176

Okay 4 bangers. 2005 Mustang vs. 2005 Corvette vs 2005 eclipse vs. 2003 S2000(no 05 option)

So the Mustang is heavy. the Corvette loses about 200-300lbs to the eclipse and about 300 lbs to the s2000. The corvette actually weighs less than the V6 eclipse. So I guess that 6.0litre isn't doing anything because its "Fat". The Vette also puts out more than 150 hp over the S2000.

These were all compared at kbb.com



Posted by: Spork Lover

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superfly3176
Okay 4 bangers. 2005 Mustang vs. 2005 Corvette vs 2005 eclipse vs. 2003 S2000(no 05 option)

So the Mustang is heavy. the Corvette loses about 200-300lbs to the eclipse and about 300 lbs to the s2000. The corvette actually weighs less than the V6 eclipse. So I guess that 6.0litre isn't doing anything because its "Fat". The Vette also puts out more than 150 hp over the S2000.

These were all compared at kbb.com



I need to get into your head sometime so I can understand how in the hell you extrapolated that from what I said.

Fact : Your average v8 is going to be heavier than your average four banger

Fact : If a car is light enough it's not going to need a big cube v8 to push it around.

Finally... Im a big v8 fan...ask gerb... when the Z06 was new and up and coming we had a nice long PM thread going back and forth about our fantasies of having one. I just hate the ignorance that surrounds the car enthusiast crowd, and part of that ifnorance is the idea that just cause a car is v8 equipped its gonna romp on all other cars, and that you can only wrestle good power out of a v8. That being said... Im not saying that you are guilty of it.... I was just making a general statement about v8 fan boys.

I like big cube v8's as much as the next guy, they even make better sense from a scientific point of view cause they are more efficient, but I also like cars that dont have that weight on the nose so that I can turn. For instnace a s2000.... the car handles like its on rails, and it has a pretty decent power output. You'll never get any car with a v8 up front to handle like it because they will almost always have more weight in the nose. Mazda Speed Miata is also another excellent example. You can toss the engine in the rear like Ford and Ferrari....but then you throw out chassis weight.

Point: Big cube v8's are nice.... but they are not the only road to power. So in response to your Mustang driving friend....you can seejust as good gains on a force induction 4 banger as you would in a v8 powered stang. Oh yeah... and I beat stock mustnags with my 4banger turbo



Posted by: Gerbilo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spork Lover
I just hate the ignorance that surrounds the car enthusiast crowd


thank you....
Quote:

Originally Posted by Superfly3176
I'm sorry that you have to be doing 5 grand to get any HP out of VTEC design.

as opposed to most 4bangers where you have to be doing 5 grand to get any power, but then you are already at your redline...
High rev systems work, and work well, Ferraris seem to do pretty well... refinement is the key.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Superfly3176
I guess its like my friend tells me, anyone with a 1.8 litre turbo car will race you because they have a 25HP turbo

My friends car is a 1.8l turbo... the motor stock is 142hp at the fly.... now he makes about 235whp... he will race you in a line..., but he's more of an autocrosser, since his car can turn.


finally... what the hell kinda of comparo is that?
please don't put the eclipse in there, the 3g eclipses are very bleh.
and I hope that the vette puts out more power than the S2000... it only has 3x the displacement.

ug... i'll get more into this later, it's the same debate that has been going on for half of this thread.



Posted by: Bix VT

oh my.

well, if you were to ask me, I would say that I would take a front engine, rear drive 4, maybe 6 cyl, force feed it and call it good. IMO, the new mazdaspeed miata is an awesome car, as well as the S2k. the only drawback to the S2k is the price...



Posted by: Superfly3176

Quote:

My friends car is a 1.8l turbo... the motor stock is 142hp at the fly.... now he makes about 235whp... he will race you in a line..., but he's more of an autocrosser, since his car can turn.


Yeah turbo. So drop a turbo or super in an 8 and you have HP. It works both ways. And knock 8 cyls all you want but the fact is many of them can turn.

And if not an Eclipse what 4-banger car should I be looking at that im not?



Posted by: Bobaroo

4 banger STI or Evo



 
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