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Posted by: Superfly3176
Although STI and Evo are nice, They still weigh more than the 2005 corvette. And If I had money like 20,000 im buying a 2002 @ 310 HP and 340 ft/lb torque. Maybe its personal preference.
Actually if i had 20,000 I'm buying a redone Dodge Challenger w/ a 426 or a 440.
These 4 bangers you mention also already use turbo to get about 300 HP. The horsepower has serious dropoff when you remove the turbo package, but are alot more affordable. So why not add your own turbo?
Posted by: Bix VT
you void your warrenty.
Posted by: Bobaroo
Impreza 2.5rs = WRX without Turbo
And yea turbo adds more power...these are 2.0l engines that can't make much power compared to a 5.0+l engine.
Posted by: Bix VT
well, engine refinement has come a long way in 10 years...a '92 5.0 stang makes 225hp n/a, but an S2k makes 240 from a 2.0 liter. the stang may have more tq, but the S2k can actually turn.
Posted by: Gerbilo
thank you bix...
also... honda has a slightly different aim than the late 80s ford...
honda tries to make fuel efficient, environmentally friendly cars... they do exceptionally well at this, better than any other manufacturer at the moment... they start with that platform and work from it, thinking about that, they have done wonders. Their lowest fuel efficiency is found in the Pilot...which gets 17/22, pretty damn good for their worst offering terms of fuel econ... yeah... they don't make any large trucks so you can't really face them against work trucks and suchthough.
Oh well... this argument isn't about fuel economy is it...
Oh, and bob, WRX does not = 2.5RS + turbo 
the WRX is a 2.0l motor... the USDM STi however is a 2.5
As far as already being turboed.... those cars have rather small turbos on them to make them better for daily driving, aka, no turbo lag and better fuel economy. You can add a larger turbo to make significantly more power... same thing w/ DSMs
as far as your challenger.. that would be damn nice, old cars are great, but I wouldn't want one as a daily driver, especially here in Chicago. Nice new accomodations are very nice as well, as is the ability to turn and stop!
Oh for, your comparo... yeah, the eclipse isn't a good choice, a better idea would be perhaps the Nissan 350Z, 6cyl and RWD.
Posted by: Bix VT
when are you going to add your next mod to the purple monster there gerb?
Posted by: Superfly3176
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Oh for, your comparo... yeah, the eclipse isn't a good choice, a better idea would be perhaps the Nissan 350Z, 6cyl and RWD.
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But we were talking 4 bangers. No one said anything about 6vs8 because Porsche does it all the time. BTW out of curiousity did porsche ever put out an 8 cylinder car?
Posted by: Gerbilo
The Cayenne is an 8, if that counts as a car.
so you want a 4banger that is N/A... hrmmm
How about a Lotus Exige? 
if you want something a lil bit cheaper how about the RSX-S? i dunno what you are trying to find for this comparo...
Bix... it's too damn cold to do any work to it now! hehe, I also have my winter tires on so I won't be able to get the potential out of any mod until I get my good tires back on. but... most likely a Beaks kit featuring an Integra Type R rear sway bar and a Beaks tie bar.
Sway bar
Tie bar
Posted by: Superfly3176
HOLY shizzle that lotus is hot 0-60 in 4.9 ticks. It looks awesome too.
Posted by: Gerbilo
yup... only a 1.8l NA motor as well
Posted by: Spork Lover
I've always lived by run what you brung. Lot's of guys here in St Louis do too. My buddy has a potent WRX and on Hall street(our racing scene) he has takes in quitea bit of money from the 4 banger naysayers.
If you really want a good comparison then you need to compare the Evo VIII to the C6, or the newer hotter Evo VIII MR. Doesnt quite do what the corvette can do in a straight line, but it could definitely out run it on tracks with plenty of turns...and it holds its own in the straights.
I agree that there are V8 cars that can turn. Sure... there are fat men that can do ballet too.... but it will never be as graceful as the smaller more nimble cars.... ermmm dancers. Same thing goes for these cars.
Gerb do you still have the link to the Top Gear evaluation of the C6? It showed a nice track time... right behind the evo..... but the track performance of the vette was sloppier and harder to control.
Posted by: Gerbilo
correct, comparing to the new vette isn't gonna work too well though... that car CAN handle, which is what makes the vette so damn awesome
I have the video i'll try to hook you up with sometime, it's Top Gear and they don't like american cars, so they kinda suck in the drag race test they do with it...
i do have a video that is a tad more applicable though, it's a episode of BestMOTORing from Japan. They test the top JDM offering of the time vs the World Supercars. They use the Z-51 C5 as the US offering... falls waaay behind, the driver however says it is the most fun car he's ever driven lol.
Run what you brung is how it always is, ****ers just try to hustle around here w/ hiding their bottles. Mostly domestics are asses about that, spraying on a big domestic V8 makes a lot more difference than most imports which would race them around here, since they are either turbo or built and won't spray. Oh well, you can still shock the hell out of domestic guys, my friend has a lil unassuming 95 civic hatchback... stock it has 95hp.... the domestic guys kinda figure it out when they hear the loud "psshhhhh" coming from under the hood on his revs though hahaha. 235whp and 2200lbs... good for scaring domestics and M3s from what i've seen haha
Posted by: Bix VT
235 at the wheels is very respectable
Posted by: Superfly3176
One thing I never understood. Ford used to put a 4.9 6 cyl in their trucks a 5.0 302 in the stang and now they put a 4.6 V8 in the stang. Secondly a Lotus Esprit V8 is a 3.6 litre V8. Does this mean the engine is really smaller than most sixes? And why would the stang use a small 8?
Posted by: Bix VT
the smaller the eninge, the less it weighs. that and (unless I'm wrong) they went from OHV with the 5.0 to DOHC in the 4.6.
and most sixes aren't larger than 3.6, a 4.9 V6 is just outrageous IMO
Posted by: Superfly3176
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the smaller the eninge, the less it weighs. that and (unless I'm wrong) they went from OHV with the 5.0 to DOHC in the 4.6.
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So DOHC is better than OHV? Than why did Chevy use OHV in the C6?
Posted by: Gerbilo
allllright.... starting on the mustang issue...
yes, the 5.0 was a pushrod OHV motor, the 4.6s are modular. The GTs are SOHC while the Cobras and the Mach 1 are DOHC. The SOHC motor is not a very good one, it is built cheap and without much effort. The DOHC is a beast though, much more refined and as you can tell, develops much more power. The modular 4.6s started in 96 in which the SOHC GT made 215hp, the DOHC Cobra made 305. In 98 the GT got a slight boost up to 225 and the Cobra remained the same. In 99 the mustang motors got a reworking. The SOHC GT motor got boosted to 260hp and the DOHC Cobra motor was at 320hp. The GT stayed this way until the end of the generation while the Cobra recieved a nice supercharger, 390hp after that nice set of screws. The Mach 1 motor is the same as the old Cobra motor(99-02) the 320hp DOHC.
I am not just an import guy mind you, before I bought my GS-R I almost bought a 97 Cobra
In essence, modular(OHC) motors are better than pushrod(OHV) motors. modular motors are easier to fine tune and get higher in revs, pushrod motors however are easier to build and are cheaper,(why use 4 cams when you can use 1) You can tell there is a recent trend moving away from pushrod, they are becoming obsolete, but some still use them. GM uses it a ton, their 3800 series motors that sporky will tell you about are all pushrod, the vette has been forever, remember the motor that it is using, is very little changed from the original LS1 developed around 10 years ago... which isn't that different from the LT1, which is even older. The Viper also uses a pushrod motor.
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a Lotus Esprit V8 is a 3.6 litre V8. Does this mean the engine is really smaller than most sixes?
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Yup, the Ferrari 360 also uses a 3.6l V8. They are VERY smooth motors and can produce tremendous revs. Think about F1 and Indy cars, they use 3.0l V8s, V10s, and V12s. Same with the Ferrari F40... that was a 3.0 V8(it did have a lil help though) These motors are light, and can produce tremendous power. It doesn't matter how many cylinders you have, most car makers don't produce motors such as that because they are expensive. It also goes back to the idea of producing as much power as you can with using as small a motor as you can. Honestly, a similar concept on my car, I have a STOCK 1.8l DOHC I4, it makes 170hp... that is a decent amount for a motor that size, I always think of my dad's old Cutlass. 3.1l and made 170hp... almost twice the size for the same power output.
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And why would the stang use a small 8?
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It is cheaper, lighter, more fuel efficient, cleaner. Also, in most countries other than here in the US, the Mustang V8 is thought of as a "large V8"
Posted by: Bix VT
compare the new M5 motor from across the pond for example. 5.0 V10. Americans for some reason go for cheap and huge in their motors, I personally have no respect for any 3.0 or larger V6 that doesn't make close to 200hp.
edit: very nicely put btw there gerb.
Posted by: Spork Lover
Well just a few things to correct. The 4.6L SOHC and DOHC are heavier engines than the 5.0. They are even larger (exterior wise), but they have smaller displacement. OHC engines are OHV engines..... the correct terminology for the comparison you guys are looking for is OHC vs Pushrod.
What are the advantages of an OHC engine over a Pushrod engine? Well for one they have multiple valve heads, and those will flow better than 2 valve heads in most pushrod motors. Generally more valves = better flow....there are exceptions of course. The other thing about them is that it is cheaper to make them handle revs. I say it this way because it is a fallacy to say that a pushrod motor can't turn RPMS. That is a complete and utter lie.... my cousin's SBC in his racecar turns 10k rpms every weekend... yes a Chevy Pushrod Engine with carburators.
Disadvantages? Well for one thing putting the cams in the heads requires a ton of room... and this makes the exterior dimension of the engine grow...... look for pics of a 5.0 comparison vs a 4.6l SOHC. Because of having the Cams in the head, it requires some changes in head design that will hurt low end torque output. CC design, Air and fuel flow, intake runner length.... etc etc... all added up will in most cases hurt low end torque output. As far as complexity goes.... its not a high tech technology like everyone states... infact it has been around almost as long as the pushrod engine....IMO it is a much simpler engine design because it will have less moving parts.
Pushrod motor advantages? Well it is dirt cheap to build any pushrod motor....with the exception of Mopars. The engines are typically much smaller than their OHC cousins (again 5.0 vs 4.6L). Generally depending on the engine confguration.... the power curve will hit lower in the rev range (thank you torque), and will be less peaky in nature (honda). Oh yeah and they are dirt cheap to build.
Disadvantages? Well to get these guys to turn higher RPMS it will require a little bit more money. In a OHC engine you have basically your rotating bottom end to worry about, valve springs and thats about it. In a Pushrod engine you have a few more parts than that in mind when you want to rev high. First and foremost you have to have an extremely strong engine block. Second your pushrods have to be extremely strong. Then you have to worry about having strong lifters. Then you have to worry about rocker arms. Then you have to ensure that the valve retainers and springs will be up for the high revving..... or you will endup floating a valve... smacking a piston with it... and destroying your engine. So you can see where it might get expensive making these things turn higher rpms.
Pushrod motors are closing the Gap
Well now there are multivalve designs for Pushrod engines... and building materials are getting cheaper... so now you see LS1/2's turning 6500 rpms. And they are still lighter engines!
AS far as which is better? I dunno it's hard to say. they both have their strengths, and they both have their weaknesses... and for the most part they balance out. No one pushrod engine is better than all OHC engines... and vice versa. I like to look at racing for my reference point...because racing will have all of the cutting edge technology. In the ALMS and Le Mans series for roughly the past decade two pushrod cars have been dominating their classes... the Vipers and the Vettes. It seems to me that right now the Pushrod powered cars have an edge on their OHC competitors, which are porsches, ferraris, and a slew of other cars that are almost all OHC cars. In drag racing....especially in the Mustang world... the 5.0 and pushrod based engines wipe the floor with modular (OHC) mustangs. If F1 were and endurance race... you wouldnt see those cars turning those revs...they are the top fuel equivalent of the turning race world. One race and they require a rebuild so I wouldnt be too impressed with them, although what they do is amazing.....they are an extreme case... and a better baseline for comparison would be something from the endurance world...such as Le Mans.
Am I biased.... you bet I am..... I am a Corvette fanatic after all.....but I tried to back it all up with facts.
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I must fix one thing.... I just couldnt let my statement that "One pushrod engine isnt better than all OHC engines and vice versa"..... it's blasphemy and I must take it back. LS1 Ownz all!
Posted by: Spork Lover
Gerb..... oh yeah and to say that the Lt1 is not so different from an LS1 is blasphemy. The LS1 is a revolution in pushrod engine design. They incorporated small things into the design that were drug over from nascar that made the engine magical! 14 degree heads, small crankcase ventilation holes drilled into the block to help venting crankcase pressure which acts as a resitance to revs....the heads were revolutionary because they flowed just as well as OHC heads.... and they outflowed the LT1 heads by far, ignition coil packs instead of distributor, etc etc...... Take it back!!!! I would never say that a ITR engine is the same as a base civic.... lol!!!!
Oh and for the record... the LT1 sucks. The fundamentals are the same... the basic design is there... but the LS1 is lightyears ahead and was the first true full redesign of the chevy pushrod platform v8.
Posted by: Gerbilo
Yeah, i'm not saying that they are very similar(LT1 and LS1) but the LS1 built on what the LT1 was and luckily GM learned from the LT1.
Yeah, the ITR motor isn't very much like base civics merely because of the cam difference. All civics in the US(excluding the SI) are SOHC(D-series). All Integras in the US are DOHC(B-series). The base Integra motor however is very similar to the ITR haha, same block atleast.
around the world shit is different though, There are more B-series Civics and even D-series Integras(fuel economy mules)
oh well.. hrmm.. what are we going to talk about now?
Posted by: Bix VT
I think that you just used up your alloted OTS bandwidth for the next 2 months there sporky.
Posted by: Spork Lover
We can talk about how crappy of a design rotary engines are
Bix...that was a crapload of info to digest..... Im surprised I typed it all.
Posted by: Bix VT
lets start with the pros and cons of a rotary engine.
I'll start.
pro: small size.
Posted by: Gerbilo
pro: Less moving parts
Posted by: Bobaroo
pro: Displacement++
Posted by: Bix VT
con: labor costs
Posted by: Gerbilo
con: gas mileage
Posted by: Spork Lover
con: durability
con: low end power
con: peakier in nature than even a honda!
Posted by: Hambones
con: temperature levels
Pro: Always in sweet lookin' cars
Posted by: Bobaroo
Con: Burns Oil (atleat RX8)
Posted by: Gerbilo
pro: low weight
Posted by: Bix VT
con: bad seals
Posted by: Superfly3176
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I actually heard that in like newer RX-7's and such the engine is very reliable because theres not as many parts and the 1993-95 rx7's pull 255, thats what they are meant to and unless you give they HP+++ they are supposed to be very reliable.
Second thing if weight matters that much (I truely do not believe that 300 lbs means anything.) Whats Porsche's excuse? a 911 turbo rwd pulls 477 HP and 457 ft/lb of torque. And that car can handle and excellerate better than almost all cars on the road. It also weighs 3131 Lbs. So the corvette weighs 50 lbs more and is only a few inches longer.
Posted by: Bix VT
from most of the comparisons I have read, the 996 turbo and the C5 Z06 are a fairly even match. even with the Porsche's extra numbers.
Posted by: Superfly3176
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from most of the comparisons I have read, the 996 turbo and the C5 Z06 are a fairly even match. even with the Porsche's extra numbers.
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I was refering to the 911 turbo @ 477 bhp. And was talking overall performance Handling braking etc. The cars review are very smooth turning and never darty. I guess Porsche is the exception being 3100lbs. vs vette 3179.
All I'm trying to get at is just because 1 car weighs more than another doesnt mean it cant turn. I bet the the V8 in the 928 model has rather good handling.
Posted by: Bix VT
that's true, look at BMW...
however, as a general rule, if you take a good handling car and make it light it will become a better handling car.
Posted by: Spork Lover
Wankel use in aircrafts has been banned by the FAA... that should tell you something about the reliability. It would be an ideal engine for prop planes in theory because its soooo light and how high it revs..... but the way the engine actually seals its combustion chamber is of poor design dooms the engine.
You can have a heavy good handling car..... but you will always know that its a heavy car in the way it feels when it steers. You wont get the on rails feeling from a heavy car.....so in short... yes a corvette is a good handling car.... its even light in the high end sports car world... but it will never feel as good as a Lotus Elise when it turns.
Posted by: EMU
My new ride (my xmas gift to me :-))
Ford Falcon XR8 Utility 260 Boss
Posted by: EMU
weird.. no pics *frown*
Posted by: Bix VT
so I'm assuming you live in the outback? since we can't get any aussie or euro spec fords over here in the US 
Posted by: EMU
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Yeah m8, "Shoo Roo's" (electronic bullbars) are a VERY smart idea here :0)
It way sucks the juice and @ 80-100 cents per litre ($3.60 to $4.50 a Gallon) its still worth it (yes i am a petrol head)
http://www.ford.com.au/falcon/ute/u.../1024_768_4.jpg
http://www.ford.com.au/falcon/ute/u.../1024_768_3.jpg
http://www.ford.com.au/falcon/ute/u.../1024_768_2.jpg
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the 2004 El Ranchero? http://www.tacofox.net/stuff/redface.gif 
Posted by: Superfly3176
CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06
Vehicle type: front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 2-passenger, 2-door coupe
Estimated base price: $62,500
Engine type: pushrod 16-valve V-8, aluminum block and heads, port fuel injection
Displacement: 428 cu in, 7008cc
Power (SAE net): 500 bhp @ 6200 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 475 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm
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Transmission: 6-speed manual
Wheelbase: 105.7 in
Length/width/height: 174.6/75.6/49.1 in
Curb weight: 3150 lb
Manufacturer's performance ratings:
Zero to 60 mph: 3.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 7.7 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 11.7 sec @ 127 mph
Projected fuel economy (C/D est):
EPA city driving: 16 mpg
EPA highway driving: 22 mpg
The 427 is back. Beats out the viper in every straight line test. Read it in car and driver last night.
Posted by: Spork Lover
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CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06
Vehicle type: front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 2-passenger, 2-door coupe
Estimated base price: $62,500
Engine type: pushrod 16-valve V-8, aluminum block and heads, port fuel injection
Displacement: 428 cu in, 7008cc
Power (SAE net): 500 bhp @ 6200 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 475 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm
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Transmission: 6-speed manual
Wheelbase: 105.7 in
Length/width/height: 174.6/75.6/49.1 in
Curb weight: 3150 lb
Manufacturer's performance ratings:
Zero to 60 mph: 3.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 7.7 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 11.7 sec @ 127 mph
Projected fuel economy (C/D est):
EPA city driving: 16 mpg
EPA highway driving: 22 mpg
The 427 is back. Beats out the viper in every straight line test. Read it in car and driver last night.
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Just want to paste this in from previous posts concerning the Viper vs the Ford GT
TEST DATA (bold = won, left is viper, right is GT, taken from your own source)
Acceleration, sec
0-30 mph 1.7 1.7
0-40 mph 2.4 2.3
0-50 mph 3.0 2.9
0-60 mph 3.9 3.6
0-70 mph 4.8 4.7
0-80 mph 5.8 5.6
0-90 mph 7.0 6.5
0-100 mph 8.4 8.1
1/4 mile, sec @ mph 11.77 @ 123.63 11.78 @ 124.31
Braking, 60-0 mph, ft 97 111
600-ft slalom, mph 70.4 71.5
Bix I told you the C6 Z06 is the Shizzle. They all post the same ET's...but look at the trap speeds. The Corvette will walk away from these cars. Im still scared about the Viper though..... the Coupe should be bringing some serious game...especially if it gets the GTS or ACR treatment. Gerb I hope you are going to be ready to molest this car with me at the Autoshow!
Posted by: Gerbilo
they'll have the doors locked  but we can still get to the tail pipes!!
Posted by: Superfly3176
the ls7's top speed is 200 mph, the viper 190, and the gt40 is 175 (I believe)
Posted by: Bix VT
I definately have huge respect for all 427s. Especially the 427 twin turbo from Lingenfelter. 
Posted by: Spork Lover
Motor Trend confirmed the Ford GT to be a 200mph car.... I think it was something like 201.
Bix... dont forget the 427 in the C5-r.... which is loosely what this Ls7 is based off of Big displacement kicks asp.
Posted by: Bobaroo
The Z06 will be 52k....WTF! So cheap!
http://www.bgdailynews.com/articles...columnists.html
Posted by: Spork Lover
they must have made a mistake. regular C6's without navigation cost more than that.... and the last gen Z06's cost more than that.
Posted by: Superfly3176
I've been reading on the 2007 camaro what is known about it and the 5.3litre will pull about 350 (expected) horsepower. This is from an SS package, a few years after that the Z28 will come out and have more power than the SS?
Am i seeing something wrong here? I thought the ss was the pinnacle of HP.
Posted by: Superfly3176
Okay I found this on the internet today. An I1.8 rx-4, turbo'd and super'd http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/565513
Posted by: Spork Lover
Back in the old days the SS was little more than an appearance package... z28 was part of the VIN number, and that denoted the big powerful V8. Even in the 4th gen camaros the SS package was little more than an appearance package.
The Pinnacle of Chevy power was the ZL1's, or the Dana Chevrolet modified cars.
Posted by: Gerbilo
the 5.3 will just be a reworked 5300 that they use in all their trucks.
Posted by: Bix VT
lol nice. that's definately an RX-4 with a force fed 4 all right. nicely done, made it look kind of like a boss 429.
Posted by: Gerbilo
SR20DET i beleive
Posted by: Bobaroo
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SR20DET i beleive
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DORIFTOOO!!!!1
Posted by: Gerbilo
we did some dori dori sledding tonite hahaha
Posted by: Bix VT
have you guys seen the movie "gran dorifto"? GT3 drifting movie, pretty good, although I must say I've done much better around the laguna seca bend than they did.
Posted by: Gerbilo
i've seen a GT3 drifting movie
Posted by: Bix VT
well I googled it and I couldn't find anywhere that you can watch it without registering on a GT3 forum so...
sorry
awesome movie though
Posted by: Gerbilo
the one i have is from england or something, i'll send it to ya if i ever get back on my computer.
Posted by: Bix VT
I doubt it then...I'll have to DL it and see if I cant link it to you from somewhere like 86ed
someone who's webspace actually works 
Posted by: Gerbilo
yeah, i no longer have any webspace, i really need to get my computer back up and running as well, it's been a month
Posted by: Bix VT
you're getting lazy like thee over there jim...
Posted by: Gerbilo
tell me about it. It also doesn't help that i'm rarely home. I'm home between school and work and then after i come home at like 4am
Posted by: Spork Lover
wooohoooooo
http://www.chicagoautoshow.com/
Posted by: Gerbilo
holy crap, 42% larger
Posted by: Bix VT
I wish I lived in Chicagotown...
Posted by: Gerbilo
Marko's Supra is definitely getting slower
yeah, and last time he ran was at Byron and he ran an 8.45 while putting down 1200whp... i wonder what he will run now?
Yeah, that's at Sound Performance, right near my house
Posted by: Bobaroo
Supras are dynoqueens!!!
Posted by: Gerbilo
he drives to and from the track, it's not a trailer queen. a 7second street car
Posted by: Bobaroo
But Supras are still dynoqueens.
Put up great dyno slips and have great RWHP, but don't run great times.
But that is still indeed a fast car.
Posted by: Bix VT
supras are awesome. unfortunately there aren't too many around here for sale...
Posted by: Bobaroo
Overrated++
Posted by: Gerbilo
that car is a fast car, 8.45 on street tires with a full interior, daily driven. that was also this fall, as i've stated, he's making much more power now
Posted by: Superfly3176
Supras are overrated. At stock they have the nice 155mph governor and from what i understand a stock supra can go much faster than 155 but the governor.
Anyway i got my car today, a 2000 Chevy Malibu my daddy gave it to me. Yay.
Posted by: Gerbilo
every car from germany has a 155mph governor as well... many other cars also....
it doesn't seem to be stopping people either.
Posted by: Superfly3176
Mustangs governor at 185 not like you'll ever get a stock mustang going that fast. Its so you dont blow the engine do to rpms.
Posted by: Gerbilo
well... my car doesn't have a governor, so ... hah
Posted by: Spork Lover
Yeah Supras are definitely hyped up. LS1 cars are more worthy of the Hype than a supra. Supra's cant get out of the hole for crap..... and it goes back to that one argument I have about small displacement high power engines.... they are always going to be peaky by nature and Supras fit the bill.
I still lvoe the cars though! and I would die to have one... even though I know that they are hyped.
My car isnt governed either.... my cars top speed isnt drag limited either...stock it has enough nuts to push it all the way to 163mph.... where the car runs out of gears.....
Posted by: Gerbilo
just something about those high boost cars that is nuts, they can be calm and docile at low rpm while at high they can be a screaming beast
Posted by: Bix VT
yeah, but you have to be able to tune them so all the boost doesn't hit all at the same time or you're just gonna spin your tires. that's why I prefer a big block V8 with a couple of smaller turbos instead of a 2.0 4 cyl with a turbo as big as it is.
Posted by: Bobaroo
Supras get huge turbos witch then causes huge turbo lag
Posted by: Bix VT
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exactly.
Posted by: Pepsi-Man[OTS]
yeah just went to a meet for the website im on for cars... got some sweet ass pics:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...an/Image051.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...an/Image042.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...an/DSCI0026.jpg
and then i got mine...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...an/DSCI0006.jpg
Posted by: Pepsi-Man[OTS]
i wouldnt mind either of those evos!!!! and there was an ek there with a k20 engine and turbo, he was blowing cars away, like a prelude with nos. he didnt even try and he kick ed his ass
there was a nice silver supra there also suppose to be pushing over 600 horses
Posted by: Spork Lover
Supras dont have huge turbos..... they have two small turbos. It's easy to tune a turbo setup so that boost doesnt hit all at once....people rarely take the time to do it though.
The UPS man was nice.... P33r the neon.
http://webpages.charter.net/sporksa...fe/CIMG1279.JPG
With the WGA adjusted right this combo alone is good for LS1 like 1/4mi times with a good driver.... so I should be able to break into the 15's.
Posted by: Gerbilo
right sporky hahaha
pepsi, i only see 1 evo!
it's a winter death land here in Chicago, but the integra seems to be a snow monster, passing SUVs like it's nothing! lol rediculous out, almost lost it a coupla times but I survived
Posted by: Gerbilo
A slow 7g civic sleeper
Posted by: Gerbilo
One of the MWIR guys from right near my house
no, that tach isn't lying, all motor! haha
Posted by: Bix VT
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yeah there's one evo and a Lancer OZ
Posted by: Spork Lover
http://www.theracesite.com/index.cf...rm_article=8664
Posted by: Gerbilo
Ricky, Nick, and I found this in the parking lot when we were going to go drifting
Posted by: Bix VT
I wish we were getting snow like that...I want to drift so much.
Posted by: Gerbilo
Marko's car being dynoed again
Posted by: Pepsi-Man[OTS]
there were more evos but i only posted one
Posted by: NoMaD
Has anybody seen the Ford GR1? It looks kinda like an Aston Martin to me.
Posted by: Gerbilo
not yet, but we need to get this thread going again!!
Posted by: marioze53
http://www.moller.com/skycar/
http://www.moller.com/test/
My dream car
Posted by: Superfly3176
That skycar is nice i read about it awhile ago. No stop signs, speed limits.
Posted by: NoMaD
http://img218.exs.cx/img218/848/0409shelbygr1h27kq.jpg
http://img218.exs.cx/img218/1662/fordgr112ka.jpg
I read a little about it when I got my last issue of Motor Trend.
Posted by: Bix VT
I was always more impressed with the GT, honestly. but then, I thought that they should have put the GT90 into productions for about 250k. I guess the new "Cobra" would be a good viper fighter, but come on. the thing is fugly.
Posted by: Superfly3176
The new cobra is nice. I personally like the styling its sleek.
Posted by: Gerbilo
bah, the GT90 was crap, the new cobra rules, but pictured above is again, crap!
Posted by: Bix VT
GT90 was crap?
what you say??
dude the GT90 would have dominated everything else then, and it would still be dominating everything else now. it would take on the enzo and spank it. who knows, if only it had come out, it might have made Ferrari think about using a turbo...the enzo could have come out with over 800hp!
ah, if only...
Posted by: Merlinmsk
ok guys listen to this one. my dad and i bought a truck for me to drive and we went all out on it to fix it up. took us almost a year to get it looking good and running again.
What I Drive:
1972 Chevy C-10
Straight 6-cylinder engine at 250hp
3-speed manual on the column
15 mpg
What We did to it:
Sandblasted:
Frame
Bed
Cab
Hood
Bench seat
Doors
Various other parts
Replaced gas tank from behind the seat to underneath the bed
Reupholstered the benchseat
New Radiator
New Hoses
Redid all wiring
Painted it ourselves
Roll-on bedliner(blows)
New tires
Power brakes(found an original brake booster on e-Bay)
Shoulder harness seat belts(instead of lap-belts)
Installed an overflow tank(for radiator)
New rubber for doors and windows
Chrome Mirrors
Chrome Door trim
New Windshield
And various other small things.
I will provide pictures soon, maybe tomorrow.
Posted by: Superfly3176
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dude the GT90 would have dominated everything else then, and it would still be dominating everything else now. it would take on the enzo and spank it. who knows, if only it had come out, it might have made Ferrari think about using a turbo...the enzo could have come out with over 800hp!
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Corvette LS7 427 7.0 litre - 65,000(with options. Est) 500hp
Posted by: Merlinmsk
ok, i took a pic of my truck for all to see, hope you like it!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...sk/DSC00639.jpg
Posted by: taco_fox
That's a pretty nice truck. My brother used to have an old Chevy Scottsdale
Posted by: Merlinmsk
I got a dude who parks beside me at school, and he nicknamed my truck "The Tank" because its mostly a rolling mass of steel. also, my AP Environmental Science class was doing air quality testing, and I suggested to test my trucks exhaust. Sadly enough, the results pretty much mean its a danger to every living thing!. 5% Carbon Monoxide, 12% Carbon Dioxide, and 10,000ppm of Hydrocarbons(1% fuel). So yeah, I'm wasting gas...
Posted by: Bix VT
I should get mine tested...I think I'm burning oil at higher RPMs
Posted by: Spork Lover
Tune the carb
Posted by: Bix VT
it's a '97...so yeah it's definately EFI.
Posted by: Merlinmsk
yeah, i guess i should take my truck to work one day and let one of the guys have a look at it.
Posted by: Spork Lover
Bix I was talkin to Merlin... your problem is a piston ring problem, called blow by if you have correctly identified your problem. Only way to fix it is to replace piston rings.
Posted by: Pepsi-Man[OTS]
eeehhhh
Posted by: Bix VT
beautiful. I'm poor.
oh well I guess I'll have to keep my lead foot in control until I get some fundage then.
but just in case I'm identifying it wrong, here are the symptoms: after about 4.5k RPM I see visible smoke behind my car in first gear (by the top of second I can't see it due to speed) and when I'm perticularly aggressive with the throttle between oil changes, I have to add some at about 2000 miles because I start to get a knock. however, I've been going light on the throttle recently, and the last oil change went fine. I didn't need to add any oil at 2000.
oh, and the problem got better when I added my WAI.
Posted by: Gerbilo
it could also be bad valve seals or a bent valve
Posted by: Bix VT
I don't think it's a bent valve, there are no bad noises whatsoever until my oil gets down past below where the dipstick can even pick it up, at which point I get the knock.
I'm assuming that it's not a bent valve. I hope not anyway.
Posted by: Gerbilo
bad rings or bad valve steal possible then. Get a compression test done.
Posted by: Spork Lover
Bent valve would be a harder one to believe. There would be noises associated with it, and it wouldnt be at higher rpms like bix said, it would happen all the time..... at higher rpms the cylinder pressures can be phenominal....which is why I think piston rings.
Posted by: Bix VT
lol well by higher rpm I mean 6k...I'm not a honda over here 
Posted by: Gerbilo
get a compression test!
if you are low then it's blowby, if you are flat even and not low, it could be a valve seal.
Posted by: Bix VT
yeah I will...when I get the money
just had to replace the front rotors because they were warped beyond belief, and now a wheel bearing has got to be replaced. lol stupid guy at the mr tire said it was the tranny...right. I know a wheel bearing when I hear one.
Posted by: Gerbilo
hey sporky!
just wondering, do the GTP 3800s use all the same components as the non SC 3800s?
also, autoshow the 18th and I might go earlier as well.
Posted by: Spork Lover
No. the internals are forged on the SC3800 II, the head design is different (direct injection of fuel into CC), and the pistons are low compression pistons.
Trannies on the cars are different as well.
Posted by: Gerbilo
alright, one of the fools in my autotech class is about to have a very rough running GTP hahaha.
Posted by: Bix VT
OMG
I was just the passenger in an SRT-4 for 5 minutes. that's all it took for me to love that car. the whooshing sound and the AMAZING seats...omg
:drool:
edit: I have driven a WRX, and just being a PASSENGER in the SRT was better. the whoosh was way more awesome (probably because of the consederable extra boost being fed the SRT as opposed to the WRX)
Posted by: AK47
Either of you guys make it to the autoshow yet? I wanted to head home for it, but I decided against that.
My dad said it was really nice... expanding it made it alot less congested. His favorite part was the international trucks display. 
Posted by: Gerbilo
Yeah, I went up there yesterday, it was pretty damn cool as always. It seemed they added a few cool things, the Dodge test track wasn't worth waiting for, but if you've never been offroading the Jeep one seemed like it could be cool. It had some "craigesque inclines" haha.
Posted by: ronni50
Hello what I drive is a Holden (GMH) Barina or Opel Combo van 1996, it has heaps of leg room for me 200cms tall and lots of room in back a small car by Australian standards.
about 20 miles to the gallon
Posted by: NoMaD
NEVAR!!1!11
*bump*
Posted by: Bix VT
GT4 OMG
I need to hook up my digital camera to my TV and take some screen shots...omg.
gerb, have you noticed how easy it is to drift?
Posted by: Gerbilo
yeah, my friend sold my 350z race car for a grand national, that ******* haha
Posted by: Bix VT
I like the new stage 5 turbo option and the custom suspension options as well...but the autosave is pissing me off.
Posted by: Bobaroo
My friend just sold his 1990 300zx auto and his parents bought him a 2004 350z 6spd
....spoiled ass.....
Posted by: Bix VT
...that's jacked up.
they should buy me a car.
Posted by: Pepsi-Man[OTS]
parked at the local bowling alley 0.0
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...an/Image027.jpg
Posted by: AK47
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Why the hell would you waste time bowling when you could be driving that
Posted by: Pepsi-Man[OTS]
ahaha
Posted by: Gerbilo
lol, alex, dude, there is an S55 and Bentley Continental at COD for some ****in reason.
Posted by: Bix VT
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that is a VERY good question. I'd go to my local track and run like 50 laps myself.
but then I never was too great at bowling.
Posted by: Gerbilo
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that is a VERY good question. I'd go to my local track and run like 50 laps myself.
but then I never was too great at bowling.
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lol, he's hood rich and he can't afford to goto the track... damn road courses are expensive
Posted by: Bix VT
guess he shouldve bought a C6 and used the extra dough to add some performance and do some track runs.
even after that he'd still have about 50k left over
Posted by: Gerbilo
w00t, the strip opens in a month!
Posted by: AK47
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lol, alex, dude, there is an S55 and Bentley Continental at COD for some ****in reason.
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Thats too weird
Posted by: NoMaD
Hooray for speeding tickets! The other day my friend received a phone call from his mother which informed him of his father having to head to the hospital due to a heart attack. Upon hanging up he proceeded to get into his truck and head down there. While traveling down Highway 60 he just so happened to pass a police cruiser at about 103 M.P.H. I'm pretty sure you can figure out the rest. I was amazed that my friends truck could go that fast. Its a 93 Chevy Silverado 5 Speed with a 4.3L V-6. But all my amazement went right out the window when he showed me the ticket. 103 M.P.H. in a 45 >.<
EDIT: And his father is doing fine now
Posted by: Bobaroo
Man the cop gave him a ticket for that? Most cops would i know would let me how of it, if I had to go to the hospital ASAP
Posted by: Bix VT
that's pretty cold.
Posted by: Gerbilo
Yeah.. I was racing an IS300 on I294 because i'm dumb and my friend was trying to keep up w/ me..
I was at 120... he was trying to keep up... all of a sudden I see a cop get him... 103 in a 55
The cop asked him "so... why did your friend you were following not stop when I pulled you both over?"
phew for me....
dumb none the less.
Posted by: Bix VT
lucky. does it happen to you a lot that right after you slow down from going at least 20 over the limit you see a cop? that happens to me a lot...it's like an omen or something.
Posted by: Gerbilo
yeah, lucky coincidence, it's happened before, always a big "phew"
Posted by: Spork Lover
its warming up... time to turn up the boost and wreak havoc on the Lou!!!
Any of you guys playing GT4 yet?
Posted by: Bix VT
of course we are. my favorite car so far is the M5. I did that test on nuremburgring (I-A, was it?) and almost crapped myself at how fast I was going.
Posted by: NoMaD
Cars are cool until you get into a wreck >.<. Yesterday I was on my way back from town traveling Highway 60 when it happend to me. I popped over a hill at about 60 MPH and there was this guy just stopped in the middle of the road. Well, I hit the brakes but no good, going downhill at about 60 in a 93 Taurus (my Grand Prix is borked ATM) and the brakes just don't work too good. Well, the brakes lock up for about 30 or so feet so I ease up on them but I'm still not gonna stop in time so I try to swerve to the right and I almost made it. I clipped the guy's rear end and get launched over a bank and I see roof top (I was about eye level with the roof of a building). Well the seat belt saved my a trip through the windshield when the car landed and started bouncing thankfully. I bounced I think 6 times total before coming to a stop. I don't remeber the air bag going off but it apparently happend during the initial impact. Because the air bag had gone off there was that dust floating around and a burning smell in the car. I said "OH SHIT" and try to get out but the drivers side won't open so I come busting out of the passenger side door and ran for about 30 feet or so before I realized I was injured. I almost passed out from the pain . The guys that work there come running over to me and helped me lay down on the tail gate of some guys truck. I had etreme pain in my chest and shoulder and was unable to think clearly nor breath without effort. It took the cops 15 minutes to get there and call the ambulance (the cops have to make the call when they get there in some cases which is very gay IMO). One of the guys starts cussing the cops because it took them so long :P. The paramedics get there and check me out as well as the three people from the car I hit. The others were fine but I needed to visit the hospital. About this time my grandparents show up and come running over to me. I was in a lot of pain but I could tell nothing was broken so I signed the refusal of treatment paper and head to the hospital with my grandparents. I get there and find out that I have internal bruising, strained muscles, and torn muscles in my chest plus a spasmed muscle in my neck. I can walk around okay but if I do anything involving muscles above the waste it is extremely painful. It hurts to even breathe, and coughing brings me to my knees, thank god I don't have to sneeze >.<. I got some Darvocet N-100 for the pain plus some muscle relaxers. I should be okay to start doing more physically active things in about a week, and I have to see an Insurance Adjuster tomorrow. I didn't quite see what happend to either of the cars but I am quite certain that the Taurus is totaled (It's my mom's old car anyway so not too big of a loss as it wasn't really used for anything but a spare). Scariest thing that has ever happened to me, I am glad I was able to walk away.
Posted by: Bix VT
holy crap dude!
glad you made it...
Posted by: NoMaD
I can't help but think I might have actually stopped if I was in my Grand Prix. That former Taurus didn't exactly have the best brakes on it . It could have been much worse as this particular section of highway has no speed limit, and its not uncommon for people to blast over that hill at 80+. Thank god nobody was behind me.
Posted by: Bobaroo
That was long and I am to lazy to read...any cliffs? 
I want to get a new car this summer or sometime in my sophomore year. I would really like to have one up here at school with me.
My top two choices are a WRX and a TC
Posted by: Bix VT
get a WRX, they are awesome in the snow and the larger diplacement allows for better future upgrades
and the cliffs notes are as follows:
he went over a hill @ 60ish. there was a moron parked in the road. he went flying and crashing all over the place. he thought the car was on fire so he ran out. the cops were late. he's injured, but getting better. the Taurus has bad brakes.
Posted by: Bobaroo
Yea WRX would be nice but the TC is around 16k, WRX 23k...we'll see
Posted by: Bix VT
I suppose moneywise the TC is better, but the WRX is just more awesome in every way.
of course, you could just sell everything you own and buy an Evo.
Posted by: Whatsthis
I know absolutly nothing about cars...other than some company brands..
Posted by: Spork Lover
TC actually has a bigger enging than a WRX. An WRXs are hideous on the inside... and the seats are the suck.
I put money down on one yesterday. It's a second car
Supposedly going to be delivered in 4 weeks...... On thursday there is a silver one coming to the local Scion dealership... I was told I have first dibs on it if I want silver instead of Blue.
I don't think I want an AWD car..... Evo's are sweet... so are WRXs... but If I stray from my current path it will be for a RWD power house... like a 03 cobra.
Posted by: Bobaroo
Yea the WRX interior is really nothing special, although the new ones are getting better. I like the STI interior though
Posted by: Bix VT
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oh my bad I was thinking of the STi...
I agree with the cobra idea though...hopefully the new cobra will live up to the challenge of the new vette.
I gotta say though, I'm extremely impressed with the new Z06. that is a sharp car.
Posted by: Gerbilo
My friend has a new tC and I am rather impressed with it. Of course it's not that fast, but it's swank as hell inside and out plus it's a Toyota so it will last forever and get great gas mileage. The aftermarket community is starting to embrace it as well which is going to give it a lot of potential. Too bad Toyota doesn't build a 2.4l like Honda
OH yes, Sporky, I drove an SRT-4 the other day... very interesting... wasn't as cool as I thought, but not bad. My friend's turbo civic is still a shitload cooler haha.
Posted by: Spork Lover
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OH yes, Sporky, I drove an SRT-4 the other day... very interesting... wasn't as cool as I thought, but not bad. My friend's turbo civic is still a shitload cooler haha.
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Take it back!!!!!!!! SRTs are the coolest ever!!!!
SRt stock seats are so awesome! Except the ones with side air bags.... they dont have the big bolsters. That SRT must have been stock You have to drive one that can melt the rubber in 2nd gear......like mine!
some new pics for you guys.... I cleaned and tuned a little bit over the weekend.....
http://webpages.charter.net/sporksa.../BoostGuage.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/sporksa...fe/CIMG1471.jpg
Posted by: Bobaroo
TC is slower then my Zx2....boooo!
Posted by: Gerbilo
hehehe, the only other turbo car i've ridden in lately was my friends civic, so that is what i was comparing it to. The SRT on stock boost doesn't really feel all that special, my friends civic on the other hand is quick til about 4k(LS swap torque) and then the turbo spools and it takes off and screams like a "raped ape" which is the cars name. My friend nick's civic is interesting too. Semi-stripped 92 CX(down under 2000lbs) w/ an LS swap w/ I/E and a stage 2 clutch. Since it's only ~1900lbs it handles like a fly
Posted by: Bix VT
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I agree 100%. I'm surprised they would offer seats that good from a factory car, normally you have to spend an extra wad of cash on aftermarket seats to hold you that well, and then the upholstery doesn't match.
Posted by: Spork Lover
News:
Dodge is releasing ACR edition SRT-4's. I might trade mine in for one! ACR Neons are famous around grass roots racing organizations.... such as SCCA
Posted by: Bix VT
hmm...SRT + ACR...I hope they keep the price under 25k, that thing will straight-up awesome.
Posted by: Gerbilo
i'd like to see that seeing how the current SRT-4s handle like balls. Props to it if it can out handle my car...
Posted by: Bix VT
hey when are you gonna finally put a header and exhaust on that piece of yours jim?
Posted by: Gerbilo
Still not sure whether I am going allmota or boost... if i'm going boost, a header is pointless
next upgrade is ITR rear sway bar and Beaks rear lower tie bar. Also i'm in need of new brakes, so PowerSlot rotors and Hawk HP+ pads
Posted by: Bix VT
handling before motor, eh? sounds like a plan.
Posted by: Gerbilo
I'm surprised this Civic can even turn the dyno....
tehslow!
Posted by: Bix VT
thats gotta be like 10k rpm...
Posted by: demon_horse
Can't actually drive just yet, taking lessons soon, but I can still post one of my dream cars...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...schumif2004.jpg
IMO it was better than the current 2005 model... bloody unnecessary rule changes.
Posted by: Bix VT
lol lets not get into the whole F1 issue...
Posted by: Spork Lover
Cheese frog is an interesting fellow... he should stick to finding hotties and taking their pics....
On another note.... Oh Noes
Posted by: Gerbilo
why ya doin that sporky?
Posted by: Bix VT
I second that question.
Posted by: Spork Lover
I got a wild hair up my ass.... Im thinking about growing a mullet.
Posted by: Gerbilo
you bought an F-body?
Posted by: Bix VT
or maybe the entire series of McGuyver?
Posted by: Gerbilo
I :heart: MacGuyver
Posted by: Spork Lover
Close... one will be replacing the SRT though.
Or I may be talked into a Rotary project car..... but that would turn me into a damn mechanic.
Posted by: Bix VT
you must mean a C6.
Posted by: Gerbilo
WHAT IS IT!?
I gotta order my brake stuff today I think.. even though I'm installing it myself it's gonna be like $500... sheeeesh. I also wanna get a new clutch.. not gonna try that one myself, so unfortunately it's gonna be hella expensive
Posted by: Spork Lover
Before
http://www.tyrexx.com/GLD/Tyrexx%20...Other%20(9).JPG
After
http://www.tyrexx.com/GLD/Tyrexx%20...ther%20(23).JPG
The Story.... right Click and Save
Posted by: Gerbilo
AHAHAHAHAHAH, you were at GLD for that? A shitload of ppl I know were there, but I decided to change my oil and miss the whole NAWZZ fueled explosion... damnit! haha
Posted by: Bix VT
of all the ways to wreck a car, racing is the best.
Posted by: Gerbilo
but vin diesel wasn't there to yell "NAWWZZZ" so him and paul walker could just out of the way!
Posted by: Gerbilo
More nitrous fun presents:
How to remove an intake off a Cobra without any tools!
Posted by: Bix VT
that can't be cheap...I wonder how big of a shot he used.
Posted by: Pepsi-Man[OTS]
loving this convert CRX
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...si-man/bimg.jpg
Posted by: Gerbilo
RICE! ermm... what?
the GSR got hit today, assholes! hopefully I will have a new bumper from insurance though... brakes were ordered today too w00
and I walked my friend in his new Alero that he thought was fast haha
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