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Is it true??
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Posted by: Freak
I heard from a friend today that Bush Jr has decided to take a month off on vacation, but will still be addressing important issues that come up.
I didn't find anything on CNN.com about this.
If this is true then .....it will be wierd. Bush. wierd.
*shakes head*
Only in America.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Dubya probably just wants to do some soul-searching for a change...
Posted by: Kdr Kane
He's taking a "working vacation" in the 100+ heat down here.
Posted by: laborat
shouldn't matter much.. he is not running the country anyways...
Posted by: Null Actor
Hah... maybe he's taking the time to finish high school.
Posted by: JANNA
he is a college graduate....
clinton during his reaign of terror spent 4.3 months of each year on vacation
Posted by: Null Actor
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Originally posted by JANNA
he is a college graduate....
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Funny... He doesn't seem smart enough to finish college.
Chances are he was handed a degree cause of his daddy.
Posted by: Gerbilo
i don't like having a president that can be made fun of damnit.... well, looks like i will have to become dictator!!! 
GSA!!!
Posted by: AK47
"In America, anyone can be Pesident. That is the problem."
Geroge Carlin
Posted by: laborat
On rethinking my first comment which I believe to be true...
I should also state that :why? should anyone strive to fill one,
if not ,THE ,most powerful position on earth and NOT be able
to do what he Damn Well Pleases...besides he brings the black box with the Red Phone with him. Any one of us who was in the
same position(trading places) as Dubya and who says they would
work 24/7 for the good of the country is a liar.
Posted by: Chako
I have a question...I am puzzled at why Americans call this President Dubya? Is it a slang for his middle Initials W?
Posted by: Bishop
I think so.
I've saved myself a great deal of trouble by not giving a damn about the entire ordeal, so I may not be correct, but yes chako I think that's what it is.
Posted by: laborat
I believe the political cartoonist of DoonesBerry who coined the phrase for dubya's father...I think it was Dubya.. for him.. so a small d would be appropriate...
Posted by: Kdr Kane
His father calls him George W (Dubya). It's the Texas accent. Everyone else just picked up on it.
Posted by: uh...ok
http://www.jps.net/~tanis/pics/pope.jpg
'nuff said.
-uh...ok
Posted by: JANNA
wonder how all this bs about bush being stupid got started...
if i remember right from my life in texas it was anne richards a democrat who ran the state to being near dead to last in education and it was bush who turned that around and started texas headed back in the right direction. al gore and bill clinton were the ones accepting donations from foreign governments. clinton couldnt seem to understand the word "is". algore invented the internet. carter gave us double digit inflation and coined the term stagflation. kennedy nearly roasted the world in nuclear fire and gave us vietnam. fdr gaves us a bloated welfare state and doomed the folks in inner cities to poverty. ted kennedy is king of drowning folks and taxing his state into poverty. condit hides bodies really well. overall i think that anyone who pisses off the socialist nations in europe as good as bush does and makes the media as mad as bush does does has my vote of confidence and hands down for being smart.
this is america not europe if i wanted 55-60% of the money i make to go to the govt i would move to france. i dont want that socialist crap here. so i will vote for ANYONE that pisses the europeans off. heh
Posted by: Null Actor
We Canadians consider him stupid because one of Canada's best political satire shows (This hour has 22 minutes) has dubya on camera talking about canada's "Prime Minister Poutine".
I mean really, if you are going to run a country, you should at least know the names of the leaders of your neighbouring countries.
Posted by: Null Actor
By the way, in case you didn't know, Poutine is a food (fries, gravy, and cheese).
Posted by: Chako
Yeah that was hilarious. You should have seen his advisors try to stop him from talking, and it was all caught on tape!
Another one caught on tape:
"This is the transcript of an ACTUAL radio conversation of a US naval ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October 1995. Radio conversation released by the Chief of Naval Operations 10-10-95.
Americans: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a collision.
Canadians: Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.
Americans: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course.
Canadians: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course.
Americans: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS LINCOLN, THE SECOND LARGEST SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES' ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THREE DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS AND NUMEROUS SUPPORT VESSELS. I DEMAND THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH, THAT'S ONE FIVE DEGREES NORTH, OR COUNTER-MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THIS SHIP.
Canadians: This is a lighthouse. Your call."
Here is a nice farce site on those dastardly Canucks just to be fair. For all you Canadians who might get angry, check his links..
No! Canada.
One thing I have noticed, and I think it is healthy because humor makes the world turn (or at least makes all the tragedy more palatable) is this. Everyone likes to make fun of their government, their country, and their neighbors (no particular order implied).
Is this off topic...I don't think so for I see this thread sliding into another one of them "WE are greater then THEE" arguments.
Posted by: Bishop
ahh chako that joke is just too rare.
Posted by: redwench
omg. im ashamed to be an american
and i want to know, since this was off newfoundland, where us yanks get off telling canadians to get out of our way.
a lighthouse. omg. rotflmfao.
more chako, more 
Posted by: Darkdesire
Janna why of all places France?
Posted by: Chako
This Hour Has 22 Minutes made a satirical look at Americans called "Talking to Americans". You can read about it here.
I saw it on TV, and it was funny. Sorry Red...I don't have any more factual ones...which is a good thing!
However, here are some national pride jokes broken down by nationality.
National Pride humor
enjoy!
Posted by: Freak
Regardless of how you feel about gun laws you gotta love this!
I was listening to the radio the other day, and I heard one of the all-time best comeback lines in my life. Note: This is an exact replication of National Public Radio (NPR) interview between a female broadcaster, and US Army General Reinwald who was about to sponsor a Boy Scout Troop visiting his military installation....
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: So, General Reinwald, what things are you going to teach these young boys when they visit your base?
GENERAL REINWALD: We're going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery and shooting.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible, isn't it?
GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the rifle range.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle discipline before they even touch a firearm.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: But you're equipping them to become violent killers.
GENERAL REINWALD: Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not one, are you?
The radio went silent and the interview ended. And all I could think was...
Go Army !!!
Posted by: redwench
lol
rotflmfao
oh, freaky, you made my morning with that one.
more, people, more!
Posted by: Chako
ROFLMAO..that was a good one De Freak.
Posted by: AK47
Agreed! LOL!
Posted by: Bishop
heard it a while back ^_^
Posted by: Spider
cheese curds
Posted by: Bishop
NOTHING BUT LIES COME FORTH FROM YOUR MOUTH AND YOUR DOG IS SCREAMING IN PAIN
Posted by: Homer
lol, this is the coolest thread yet
heehee, "Prime Minister Jean Poutine".
My sister always mentions this when we're discussing how stupid Bush is while having dinner with the family
A while back, i was watching the CBC news, they mentioned that Bush broke every one of his promises made to the country, except for giving out that rebate cheques (which was if i remember correctly, a bad economic move).
Heehee, this one's a lil far fetched, but it could be true, (i haven't looked into it). According to my friend, US Presidents get assasinated every X yrs. Dubya's sitting in a yr multiple to X right now Lets keep our fingers crossed. j/k. God bless the moron.
Posted by: JANNA
i just picked a european socialist country at random there are lot and didnt want to name em all.
as for not knowing the leaders of the world.... clinton had no real better success and often greeted foreign leaders using the wrong names and titles. bush was just unlucky enough to be caught on tape. but i much prefer a leader that occasionally makes a social gaff than one that is delusional and thinks he invented the internet....
Posted by: Shalome
Here's what you were talking about, Homer. Got it off a scholarly website (www.snopes.com -- sister site being www.urbanlegends.com, both being fun sites to waste time and learn useless information at) dealing with debunking urban myths and legends. This one is marked as "probably false but un-debunkable." Enjoy...
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Legend: A death curse threatens U.S. Presidents elected in years evenly divisible by twenty.
Origins: With one exception, since 1840, U.S. Presidents who have been elected in years ending in zero have been killed or have died of natural causes while in office. And the one exception literally came within an inch of death.
It's hard to know what to make of such a sequence, but folks have certainly tried over the years. Such a string of presidential mortality is deemed too improbable to have occurred naturally, giving rise to rumors about a fatal Indian curse among those unwilling to recognize that chaos sometimes takes the form of coincidence. Randomness is disquieting; Indian curses are, in comparison, the lesser of the evils because they at least support the illusion that there is order in our universe. In an odd way, belief in Indian curses is comforting.
Died Under the "Curse"
1840 ... William Henry Harrison
1860 ... Abraham Lincoln
1880 ... James A. Garfield
1900 ... William McKinley
1920 ... Warren G. Harding
1940 ... Franklin D. Roosevelt
1960 ... John F. Kennedy
William Henry Harrison, who was elected in 1840, died at the age of 68 after foolishly delivering his inaugural address unprotected by an overcoat on a cold, drizzly day. Harrison spoke for an hour and 40 minutes, became ill, and died of pneumonia exactly one month later in April 1841.
Abraham Lincoln, first elected in 1860, was assassinated just after embarking on his second term in office in 1865.
James A. Garfield won the 1880 election. He was shot in the back in a Washington railroad station waiting room in July 1881 and died of his wounds in September 1881.
William McKinley was re-elected in 1900. In September 1901, after giving a speech at an exposition in Buffalo, he was shot while shaking hands with wellwishers. McKinley died of his wounds a little more than a week later.
Warren G. Harding, elected in 1920, expired of a stroke or heart attack in 1923. It was long rumored his wife had poisoned him.
Elected to an unprecedented third term in 1940, Franklin D. Roosevelt, suffered a massive cerebral hemorrhage and died shortly after being elected to an equally unprecedented fourth term in 1945.
John F. Kennedy was elected in 1960 and assassinated in 1963.
Ronald Reagan was elected in 1980 but managed to cheat the Grim Reaper by a matter of an inch, the distance by which a would-be assassin's bullet missed his heart in 1981.
The key to all this presidential demising possibly lies more within the realm of the stars than the rumored words of a dead Indian chief. Or at least so the astrologers would have us believe. According to Mark Dodich, an astrologer who has attempted to analyze the Curse of Tecumseh, the reason behind this force is one of "cosmic coincidence," not native American hexing. Dodich claims the curse's effects overlap with the alignment of Jupiter and Saturn, whose orbits have lined up every twenty years.
The 20-year pattern's one failure -- Reagan -- is explained by the sign the alignment of these two planets occurred under. Alignments under the earth signs (Taurus, Capricorn, and Virgo) have led to dead Presidents, but Reagan's term occurred under an air sign, accounting for his survival.
According to Dodich, year 2000's Jupiter-Saturn twinning once again occurs under the earth sign of Taurus, a phenomenon he says won't happen again for another 600 years. It thus marks the end of a deadly cycle. And if Dodich is right about this curse thing, it will sound the death knell for another President.
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-Shalome
Posted by: Null Actor
Ha! I wish someone would kill bush. Would be funny.
Any secret service agents reading this can blow me... I'm canadian :P
Posted by: Setsuna
They would just get the Canadian government to kill you. And if they didn't, all out war on Canada!!!
Posted by: laborat
Setsuna is right Nova.... some stuff you just think and never put it down on paper....right now I am sure you are now entered into some sort of subversive list and will be rousted out should something ever happen...Didn't you know the government here does internet searchs using certain KeyWords and Phrases that are threatening to National Security...Hell this whole site is probably being monitored now, just because you said that...At least we will have a good idea what happened when you suddenly turn up dead in a freak accident...I would like to say I am just kidding but Im not...
Posted by: Bishop
labo, this site has probally been monitored for a while now.
^_^
Posted by: Homer
Despite the fact that Nova's from Edmonton, he's got my full support on this one
Posted by: Spider
lol Shal, I was thinking about posting that, and reagan has alzheimers so he might as well have died from the curse.
Posted by: Freak
Everybody has to die some time ^_^.
Posted by: Ion Silverbolt
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Originally posted by laborat
Hell this whole site is probably being monitored now, just because you said that..
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Hey we could use more hits on the site..hehe
Controversy usually draws in people like a moth into the flame.
Posted by: Null Actor
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Originally posted by laborat
Setsuna is right Nova.... some stuff you just think and never put it down on paper....right now I am sure you are now entered into some sort of subversive list and will be rousted out should something ever happen...Didn't you know the government here does internet searchs using certain KeyWords and Phrases that are threatening to National Security...Hell this whole site is probably being monitored now, just because you said that...At least we will have a good idea what happened when you suddenly turn up dead in a freak accident...I would like to say I am just kidding but Im not...
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They can enter me in any lists they want. Anything that I say or write that might be in anyway condemning gets encrypted. I like PGP.
Posted by: JANNA
why are u so anti-bush nova?? he is by far a better president than al gore would have ever made. he is not stupid like clinton, he has picked extremely smart people for the positions they hold in his cabinet, and has done more int he first six months of his office to promote racial equality than the democrats did in the last 60 years. the democratic party as a whole had to be pulled kicking and screaming into modern times and Al Gores father even lead the charge to repeal the civil rights act of 1964 while Al Gore while he was governer of tennesse signed the bill making state holiday for the rebel flag. and dont even go to the kyoto thing or missile defense. since the canadian prime minister was one of the first to walk out on the kyoto accords. and our anti-missile program has been going since the mid-seventies its nothing new. the only thing that makes it new is that bush wants to put a bit more funding into the current program and since the media in america and worldwide is very anti-american anything that bush or any other conservative person does is going to be continually lied about in the media. take for instance this thing about bush not haveing any foreign policy sense. during one of the presidential debates the question was asked how would u go about getting rid of slobadon malosovich?? bush got to answer first and he said that he would ask the russians to get him to step down. gore then proceeded to make fun of him and so did the media. 2 days later the clinton/gore team asked the russian prime minister to get slobo to step down and they did...
Posted by: Chako
I think most Canadians dislike Bush Jr because he knows very little about the International scene. His father was a crappy President who’s only claim to fame was Dessert Storm (which was botched up horribly...take a look at the news...the US and Britain are still bombing Iraq...in other words...very little was accomplished). Furthermore, he got elected through lots of crap. That election should have been redone. Is he the proper elected official? I am surprised that the American population did not protest more loudly about that election. It goes to show you that the people had very little say on who runs your Country, but paid judges and officials (That was the biggest black eye the US ever received...and from their own hands no less). They are the ones with true power. He is viewed the world over as a little war monger like his father. Something he will have to work very hard to fix..if he cares.
As for Canada. He has very little regard for the Northern neighbors, finding more in common with the Southern one Mexico (that is fair). In retrospect, he has pissed off Canada way too many times in his short tenure, and yet thinks that Canada is his for the taking. He wants increased electrical power from Canada, and more water also (Good thing the Great Lakes States are in opposition to this anyway), But at the same time, has increased trade wars with steel and lumber to name a few. He may be popular in the US, but across the world...probably not
The world probably wouldn't care, but the US Govt has this problem with sticking its nose into everyone else’s business. Might explain why American tourist are loved the world over (even though they are not to blame)…and the smart ones incorporate Canadian flags on their backpacks.
Hope this answers a few of your questions Janna.
Oh by the way, if this comes off as being Anti American...furthest from the truth. I like the US...I just calles em as I sees em though.
Posted by: redwench
ill go with chako here, and im a yank
it remains to be seen what bush will actually do with his presidency. i didnt want either him or gore in office, but oh well. he may turn out to be a great president, but its far to early to tell yet. and i hope he does turn out to be great, but i have my doubts.
not that gore would have been the better choice 
Posted by: JANNA
so what ur saying is that our entire election should have been redone because Gore didnt want to follow the rules of the election?? from what i recall it wasnt bush's crew that was caught with sheafs of blank ballots and voting machines on their way to ballot counting facilities. the same ballot that was approved in florida was also used in california and Jesse the racist Jackson's home city. as i recall that ballot that was used in Florida was approved by the democrats and the republicans both with no dissenting votes since in florida both parties have equal say in the ballot creation. it wasnt until long after the results were known that Gore had an issue with the ballot in Florida which his campaign approved the use long before the election. so what im hearing is that our entire electoral system should be overturned and redone each time one side doesnt like the result??
contrary to popular belief bush is very good at international diplomacy.
as for iraq wasnt it clinton/gore that for the last 8 years refused to enforce the terms of surrender that hussein signed?? and only made a half hearted attempted at holding the iraqis to to them and only when it was conveinant to cover up his sexual scandals and illegal campaign finance activities. but saying that the iraqi war was mishandled is purely wrong since there was a lot more involved than bush sr simply taking over the capital of iraq and putting saddam in jail. the reasons behind a failed closure of the desert war was due more to the difficulties involved in geting eqypt and israel and the other arab states to continue hosting US troops which they would not do if the war in the desert was continued. the failure of the deert war to come to a conclusion in a sane manner was due more to the other countries Canada included not willing to press the war to a final end.
as for mexico vs canada mexico has more to offer to the US in both trade and labour than canada does.
Posted by: Kdr Kane
ROFL. Even though I'm from Texas, I love Canadians too. :P
So, don't shoot me!
Not to get into this debate too much. But, Bush still won the election in Florida. The newspapers and whoever finished the recount after the inauguration. It wasn't accepted very well by the liberal press. So, we will always continue hearing about how Bush stole the election and Gore won the "popular" vote. I hear it every weekend from George Stephanopoulos.
From most of what I am hearing on this board, it sounds like the people that don't like George Dubya didn't like Reagan or George Sr. either. No big surprises.
I almost get shivers every time I think about Gore being in office. Is there a single word you could believe from that man? He has a bit more integrity than Clinton. But, he deludes himself a lot.
Posted by: redwench
saying bush is good at international diplomacy is like saying a virgin is good at sex. aint nothin there to compare.
Posted by: AK47
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Originally posted by Nova Z
Ha! I wish someone would kill bush. Would be funny.
Any secret service agents reading this can blow me... I'm canadian :P
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you are also one dumb bastard. Who are you to wish death upon someone (especially "the leader of the free world"). That's a horrible thing to do. What the hell did he do to you? I'm sure it was nothing that was worthy of death.
Also, it might be time to drop the whole "tough guy" image. Yeah, the secret service agents can blow you? It doesnt matter what the hell you are- you cant threaten the president- no matter where you are. Its highly illegal to threaten the president or speak of his death.
Way to represent Canada
Posted by: Bishop
people do it all the time AK, it's beside the point.
another point, who is he to wish death upon someone with no cause?
I wish death upon imbeciles and morons, with no logical cause, only the fact that they cause my annoyance.
hey, maybe bush causes nova annoyance! or it could be something else.
Posted by: Null Actor
I didn't directly threaten him.
There is a difference.
And let me give the exact reason why I hate Bush so much.
I would have rather had Gore, who would have probably kept his destruction local to the united states, than Bush, who seems to be doing everything he can to ruin the rest of the world.
Posted by: Null Actor
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Originally posted by AK47
(especially "the leader of the free world")
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The only people who consider him the leader of the free world are americans.
Posted by: Chako
When the electoral process is in doubt..you bet. I could not believe you guys had so many problems. I understand that such a close race was unheard of in your history, and it showed some serious flaws in your system (not that any system is perfect...there is no such beast). If your Govt is smart, they should do a little more standardizing on the ballot forms,, make it the same right across the various States, etc. to eliminate such doubts the next time. The process should not be open to lawyers and politicians to nit pick the system, second guess the voters, etc. From what I heard on the TV, the Florida courts had fun, the Federal courts had fun, the lawyers had fun, the various parties had fun. It was a regular cracker barrel of fun, and everyone was stepping on everyone’s toes, and nobody knew who had jurisdiction. So yes, Janna, the US should have had a revote because the first one was an obvious screw up. Maybe not nation wide, but in Florida...yes. Would this have changed anything, probably not but voter confidence would be better, and possibly trust in the electoral process.
Just curious...why is the press liberal?
I liked Regan. He was interesting. 
Posted by: AK47
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Originally posted by Bishop
people do it all the time AK, it's beside the point.
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No, it is not beside the point. Im sure lots of people would want Bush dead. I'm sure people have uttered the words "I want to kill George bush". You know what? Most of those people have enough commmon sense to keep it private. Nova had to share his thoughts publicly. That is what is wrong- its illegal to talk about killing a president in public. ignorance
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Originally posted by Bishop
I wish death upon imbeciles and morons, with no logical cause, only the fact that they cause my annoyance.
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yeah- you do it in private. Plus- its not the president- there is a difference.
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Originally posted by Nova Z
I didn't directly threaten him.
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Then why did you feel it necessary to tell the secret service agents to blow you?
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Originally posted by Nova Z
I would have rather had Gore, who would have probably kept his destruction local to the united states, than Bush, who seems to be doing everything he can to ruin the rest of the world.
The only people who consider him the leader of the free world are americans.
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contradicting statements there. And all this "if gore was president" crap... thats just dumb. JANNA did it earlier saying how things are better with Bush as president instead of Gore. All this is based on what? their campaigns? If you believe a president sticks to what he says during his campaign- you are sorley missguided
Posted by: Canis Lupus
I'm not touching this discussion with a ten-foot pole ... I usually leave political discussions to politicians themselves - let them kill each other if they want...
I'm letting this thread continue, so let's all stay civil and keep the debate intellectual... and keep the name-calling at a minimum (unless it's targetted at Gore or Bush) ...
Posted by: Chako
Umm...I would wish no harm done to anyone, let alone a ruling head of a state, country, banana republic..whatever, however, saying such things are completely different then acting out on them. Nova is just venting some steam. Besides he is not an American and is not accountable to American laws. Regardless of what you think Ak, this is the way it is. Not that I excuse him his words...I myself would never say such a thing. I dislike Bush for many of the same reasons that Nova does. He is not that very popular north of your border. But I don't hate him..not even by a long shot.
I agree with Laggy...debate is healthy
Posted by: Swilo
http://www.opentechsupport.net/foru...tlockfolder.gif Thread closed.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by Swilo
Thread closed.
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Nice try ... but no...
Posted by: Bishop
ak, I do not do it privatly, I do it publicly.
and what is the difference between wishing the death of one person over another?
Who gives a **** if he's the president, he's still a person, president is just his job.
If it's illegal to say you want to kill someone, or want someone dead, what happens to the so called freedom america has?
if your exact words cause someone to attempt and suceed, then you should be held acountable, but simply stating it generally is no fault, just your opinion on the matter.
I've said it before and I'll say it many times in the future.
**** this country, I'm moving to sealand.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Uhm, where the hell is sealand?
Anyway, on the subject of killing someone, some high schools in the US now put students who threaten to kill their peers under detention and investigation... probably because of the recent school shootings....
Posted by: Kdr Kane
Being the advocate of freedom that I am, threatening anybody in any way, whether physical, lawsuit or mentally without provocation is against the law and should be. Harassment of any kind is also against the law.
Freedom does not give you the right to say or do absolutely anything you want.
And I apologize for saying the words "liberal press". My bad. I had to look back to make sure I actually wrote that phrase. I should have said "socialist press".
I am what I call a liberal conservative. I believe the government should stay out of the people's business and not impinge on their freedoms. I don't believe the government should be involved in any programs except those that improve the infrastructure of the land governed. And the government should provide protection of it's citizens from foreign and domestic enemies. I don't believe the goverment should be involved in any "sin-controls" such as tobacco, drugs or alcohol for adults.
And Nova Z, did you see how much PGP helped the mafia guy when the FBI decided to use Tempest technology and keyboard capture to get his passwords? My opinion on this particular situation is that it was totally illegal what the FBI did without a warrant.
I'm getting scared when I start reading AK47 and agreeing with him. 
Whew!
Posted by: AK47
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Originally posted by Bishop
ak, I do not do it privatly, I do it publicly.
and what is the difference between wishing the death of one person over another?
Who gives a **** if he's the president, he's still a person, president is just his job.
If it's illegal to say you want to kill someone, or want someone dead, what happens to the so called freedom america has?
if your exact words cause someone to attempt and suceed, then you should be held acountable, but simply stating it generally is no fault, just your opinion on the matter.
I've said it before and I'll say it many times in the future.
**** this country, I'm moving to sealand.
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Yeah, yeah, the US is so horrible. I dont think you can get this much freedom and wealth in any other country. By all means- move away.
On the topic of threatening others lives- it aint right, no matter who you do it to. Its illegal to threaten people- period. Of all the laws this country has- thats a pretty minor one. It just so happens that threatening the president is a bigger deal. Is that right? no- he is just a person. He was just like you and me before he was elected by the public, in a democratic election. But if you cant live without publically wishing him dead- perhaps it is time for you to leave this great country. Go live in a house made of mud in the deserts of Africa- with no running water and no actuall floors. Or perhaps in a country where you get arrested for spitting on the street. Yeah- things could be alot worse. Ungratefull is the term that comes to mind.
Posted by: AK47
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Originally posted by Chako
Nova is just venting some steam. Besides he is not an American and is not accountable to American laws. Regardless of what you think Ak, this is the way it is.
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It doesnt matter what he is. If a group of Iraqui terrorists went online and publically declared that they were going to kill the president of the united states- you can bet your ass they would be prosecuted. Just because Nova is Canadian doesnt mean he can threaten the president (whether he did or didnt isnt the point- I'm just sayin).
example- Nova goes insane and buys time on prime time TV. He appears infront of the entire world and says that he will murder the president. Yes, that is illegal- eventhough he is Canadian. Regardless of what you think, this is the way it is.
Posted by: Bishop
Honestly, I don't give a **** either way what happens.
I was just supporting nova's comment, you don't often see people who will come out and say what they feel.
Posted by: Null Actor
AK47: When you start to fear saying or thinking something out loud, that is when you know your freedom has been fully and truly compromised.
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I dont think you can get this much freedom and wealth in any other country. By all means- move away.
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Canada. 'Nuff said. Bish, you are welcome up here 
Kdr Kane: I seriously doubt what the mafia guy was very computer literate. There is no way someone could get a program on a secure system. The amount of damage they'd have to do would raise red flags anywhere, and anyone with a brain would catch it.
He was probably using windows 9x.
Posted by: Chako
If a group of Iraqis went online and publicly declare that they were going to kill the President...security would be beefed up and preventive actions would be enables such as to not allow such people into your Country. There is very little the US Govt can do about such things unless it goes onto their soil...then it falls under their jurisdiction. So don't give me that crap! Such things may stick to Americans for it might be breaking American laws...but foreigners do not apply unless it breaks International laws (A group of laws that various Countries around the world sign on and support). To the best of my knowledge, what Nova said did not contravene International laws...it wasn't nice... and I am positive he didn't mean it. He might be barred from going into the US the next time he visits, but that is about all.
This is my last post in this thread...I don't like the way this thing is morphing.
Posted by: AK47
Im done with this thread too.
Posted by: Null Actor
Quote:
Originally posted by Chako
...it wasn't nice... and I am positive he didn't mean it.
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I might mean it, I might not mean it. I'm not sure. I just know the world would be a better, safer, more peaceful world without him.
Posted by: Chako
Before I leave this thread for good, I noticed Swilo's deleted thread...was it something I said? If so, then I apologize.
Posted by: Null Actor
I think swilo was just trying to fool us all
Anyway, look what Bush has done so far (in less than a year):
-Decided that americans are allowed to waste as much energy and fuel as they want, because it's 'the american way'
-Aggravated china ( a communist state with very little to lose )
-Declined to join the kyoto pact with the lame excuse that it would 'hurt the american economy' to pollute less. (Americans are allowed to pollute the entire world, because it's 'the american way')
-Declined a biological weapons ban, because he felt it would 'comprimise national security' (Basically, he wants to experiment without fear of retribution)
-Limited the scientific ability to move forward with stem cell research, which would probably do more good than I could list in this post
-Started another arms race ( National Missile Defense anyone? )
Oh yeah, but I forgot. He gave every taxpaying american free money, so it's all okay.
The way I look at it is this: It's not a question of wether or not he can survive the next 3 years, it's wether or not we can survive him for the next three years.
Posted by: Null Actor
Oh yeah I forgot this one:
Refused to sign an embargo (or something like that) that would limit the spread of weapons in southern africa, because 'everyone should be allowed to own a gun'.
Posted by: Spider
Quote:
Originally posted by AK47
Yeah, yeah, the US is so horrible. I dont think you can get this much freedom and wealth in any other country. By all means- move away.
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There's always Canada.
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Oh someone already said that, guess I should have finished reading all the new posts before replying that lol
Posted by: AK47
ok spider... I put wealth in that statement for a reason.
also- to everyone- dont get me confused with a bush supporter. I dont like him one bit.
Posted by: AK47
Quote:
Originally posted by Nova Z
AK47: When you start to fear saying or thinking something out loud, that is when you know your freedom has been fully and truly compromised.
Refused to sign an embargo (or something like that) that would limit the spread of weapons in southern africa, because 'everyone should be allowed to own a gun'.
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Take away the right to own a gun and your freedom is truly compromised. Contradicting statements again. Nova- it looks like you only want freedom that is convienent for you. That is not freedom at all.
Posted by: Spider
I'm confused, is there a limit on how wealthy you can be in canada? lol
Posted by: Ion Silverbolt
I agree with everything Nova said. Bush is running not only this country down the toilet, but he's taking every other country with him.
So someone mouthed off about the President but what does it really hurt? You can't kill with a word. So what if he threatened the President? Most Americans probably agree we should have killed Sadaam Hussein. But do we look at it as bad? No because he's not American and has done some things that we didn't like.
Nova is Canadian, NOT American. Just because Bush isn't aiming guns at Canada doesn't mean he isn't doing them harm. On the contrary. I'm not even going to go into the list as Nova covered most of it.
As for killing, sure it's a despicable act, but wouldn't you kill a mad gunman holding people hostage to save the hostages? This is how people around the world may start to look at Bush if he doesn't quit trying to run the world into the mud.
As for the tax relief check, he can shove it up his ass. I got 375$ back only to have nearly that exact amount taken from my check the next week. All that money would have been better off paying the national debt off. Now our kids will still be paying that stupid thing off.
Posted by: Bishop
Exactly the point I believe nova was trying to make, and exactly the point I was supporting with my inane comments.
Posted by: Null Actor
Quote:
Originally posted by AK47
Take away the right to own a gun and your freedom is truly compromised. Contradicting statements again. Nova- it looks like you only want freedom that is convienent for you. That is not freedom at all.
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In the United States, if you were to walk in to a gun store and say "I need to buy a gun, there are some people I want to kill", would you be allowed to buy a gun?
This is the exact situation in southern africa. People go out and buy guns, not for their own protection, but so they can go and kill other people. That is the full intent. If this were the case in the good ol' US of A, would guns be so freely available? Yes? They sell guns to homicidal lunatics down there?
Freedom isn't the right to own 'stuff'. Freedom is the right to live how you want without fear of persecution. Guns don't affect that. You believe they do, but they don't.
What is the difference between owning a gun, and owning a nuke?
So why can't you own a nuke in the USA?
Posted by: AK47
Quote:
Originally posted by Nova Z
In the United States, if you were to walk in to a gun store and say "I need to buy a gun, there are some people I want to kill", would you be allowed to buy a gun?
This is the exact situation in southern africa. People go out and buy guns, not for their own protection, but so they can go and kill other people. That is the full intent. If this were the case in the good ol' US of A, would guns be so freely available? Yes? They sell guns to homicidal lunatics down there?
Freedom isn't the right to own 'stuff'. Freedom is the right to live how you want without fear of persecution. Guns don't affect that. You believe they do, but they don't.
What is the difference between owning a gun, and owning a nuke?
So why can't you own a nuke in the USA?
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First off- read our constitution. It states "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" This is a basic freedom that we were guaranteed by our founding fathers. The same is true with Freedom of speech. Speech was the first amendment and guns were the second. Take one away and the other will soon follow.
South Africa- alot is wrong there- has nothing to do with us.
why cant you own a nuke in the USA? cmon- think about it.
Posted by: Null Actor
I don't see a difference between owning a nuke, or owning a gun.
Oh, and by the way, are you saying you can buy a gun even if it's public knowledge that you were going to kill someone with it?
How about if you were going to buy it and kill, say, the president (since you have such a fixation on him)?
Would they refuse the sale of the gun there?
What's the limit? What's the point at which someone can't own a gun?
Posted by: AK47
Owning a nuke isnt in the constitution.
Im not saying that giving guns to people who are going to kill is good- Im against that. I was saying- pay attention now, this is the second time im saying this- owning a gun is a freedom- a right given to us by the constitution. So is freedom of speech. Once they take one of those rights away, the other is sure to follow. Never did I once condone the giving of guns to people who were planning on kiling other people.
Stop talking about killing the president. It makes you look like a total dolt and makes the whole rest of your post childish. You're making this personal when it sure as hell isnt. Its a discussion about rights.
Posted by: Null Actor
Do you still have a right to own a gun if you are going to kill someone with it?
Posted by: AK47
that is the question.
They do background checks on gun owners (or buyers). Does this work? No. People can get guns. They dont have to buy them from the store- they can get them from other places.
I do think it is fine for a man to legally purchase a gun for protecting his family. If the killer who just broke into your house has one, you should too.
The debate on guns is a big one. I am for guns. Rosie O'donnel is not. Whatever. Like everything in the world- guns arent perfect- and neither is the US constitution. But, I strongly believe that if either the first or second amendment is removed, the other will go too. .If having guns around in this country gives me the right to say just about whatever I want- I'm for that.
Ill take my chances with guns. (this coming from someone who is going to be a police officer)
People shooting off their mouths (no pun intended) and saying what they feel is usually what gets them shot- ironic
Posted by: Null Actor
See, the catch is that all the guns in southern africa are being used to kill other people... not for defense.
That is why they should be limited.
This is why I have a problem with Bush being a moron and not agreeing.
Personal freedom, whatever, argue that if you want. But if it's gonna save more lives than not, then I'm all for it.
Posted by: AK47
Lets not even start with S. Africa. That place is a total mess. If I lived there, I would sure as hell have a gun.
They actually have a product called the incinerator there. Basically, its a blowtorch with the barrel hiding under your car. When a car jacker approaches your car, you simply press a button and flames shoot up from underneath your car- scorching and oftenly killing the would be car jacker. This is legal there. South Africa is totally different from the US.
good lord- S. Africa is screwy. and for the last time- I dont support George Bush jr.
Posted by: laborat
I could sure use one of those thingys for some of my fall tail gate parties.. hang the porksteaks by string over the side window and push the button...now if I could just get the sauce to come out of my spray gun...
Posted by: TotalRecall
Blah, blah, blah. There's no point in arguing over something that none of us can change. Just let it be...
Posted by: Shalome
AK47, the spread of weapons in South Africa has very little to do with personal protection...
And Nova, you forgot to add that under this administration, the United States has been removed from the United Nations council on human rights.
The United States also cut funding to a multitude of international efforts to aid in reproductive services and healthcare for third-world medical facilities that provided pre- and post-natal care for women and children, offered birth control methods, and provided health screenings and education for men and women. Oh yeah, and these facilities sometimes performed abortions. Cut their funding, stat!
The United States, under this administration, has also refused to contribute to the effort to make AIDS drugs cheaper and more available, both in this country and abroad, when it is clear that people are dying because they cannot afford the exorbitant prices charged by the pharmaceutical companies.
And we still remain silent on the Taliban in Afghanistan. Look it up if you don't know what it is..
Everyone interested in politics should visit www.workingforchange.com. It's definately some outside-the-box news, including newswires from places other than America. It can really open your eyes to things...
- Shalome
Politics pisses me off. I'm gonna go have my first cigarette in 2 days. Damn this thread, making me smoke!
Posted by: Null Actor
Geez. I didn't know that stuff.
Man, that shit makes what I posted look minor.
The UN should totally enforce some shit on to the United States. If they don't, then they are just going to be overtaken and disbanded in Dubya's attempt to conquer the world.
Posted by: Bishop
I think nova just wants to work for UNATCO.
Posted by: Null Actor
LOL
Yep, I already have my JC Denton outfit...
Posted by: AK47
Sounds like the world is coming to an end. Its not. If it is- so be it.
I love the US- but the system of voting for our leader doesnt work. Its obvious. Half the people are unhappy with how the country is being run, the other half is fine with it. It seems like more people should be happy with it. Maybe not- I really dont care- just saying.
No matter who is president- some people will be happy, some wont. oh well. I'm neither. Im happily undecided.
Posted by: Shalome
Nah, it's not the end of the world. Politics is ALWAYS trying to send the world to hell in a handbasket. I'm just still young, naiive, and well-read enough to be pissed off about it.
- Shalome
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Amen, baby
Posted by: Null Actor
Quote:
Originally posted by Shalome
Nah, it's not the end of the world. Politics is ALWAYS trying to send the world to hell in a handbasket. I'm just still young, naiive, and well-read enough to be pissed off about it.
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Don't think it has anything to do with naivity, it's just that we are still young enough to hope that it will change. I'm sure there'll be a point when we just don't care anymore though. It's sad that that happens. That is the whole reason why nothing changes.
Posted by: Null Actor
Here is a good reason for Canadians to dislike the United States right now:
Recently the US Government imposed trade tariffs on soft lumber. Something on the order of 20%. So far it's caused over 10000 layoffs across Canada.
But Canada is fighting back.
Chretien has warned Dubya that if he doesn't remove the tariffs, we will cease selling the US power, gas, and coal.
Hope you Bush supporters like high fuel prices.....
Posted by: Ion Silverbolt
What a pile of BS. They charge Canada Tariffs but they endorse NAFTA? WTF?..I guess it's ok since they can get stuff cheaper from Mexico due to the 1$ an hour labor there.
Posted by: Chako
You got it Ion. Canada cannot compete with Mexico due to their very cheap labor. In fact most big companies have plants in Mexico for that reason. However, Mexico barely makes enough power for their own needs let alone export it to the US. I seriously hope it doesn't get out of hand. If there is a big trade war between Canada and the US, it won't be good for both our Nations. The US will be seriously hurt and so will Canada. In the past, cooperation and a little leeway for flexing of muscle and saving face was allowed in such disputes. Today, with Bush...it is not going to be pretty. He doesn't realize the seriousness and the ramifications of how closely meshed we are as trading partners. Since Europe is now a closed market, we depend on each other more and more. Mexico has increased its trade with its southern neighbors to lessen the trading impact with the USA in recent times. Canada cannot do such a thing. Like it or not, we are both in it together. Darn it, I broke my promise of not coming to this thread again.
To read up on what the CIA have compiled in their files of the world.
CIA World Fact Book
Posted by: Bishop
what, an american apologizing to canada?
what jo be smokin, yo.
Posted by: Null Actor
Bishop, don't post off topic and pointless posts in a serious thread. Start your own.
I've deleted your pointless and off topic posts that were after this last.
Posted by: Null Actor
Wow, that CIA 'Fact' book sure has a lot of wrong 'facts' about Canada.
But then again, it is the CIA. Maybe they are right and our whole country is just wrong. That's probably how they'd see it anyway.
Posted by: Null Actor
Ha! And not a word about the CIS.
I guess our guys are doing their job
Posted by: Bishop
fine fine, but you have to consider every post I make is pointless ^_^
Posted by: Shalome
Hey Nova, here's some more ammunition for ya: Today, the Prez announced the United States' intentions to withdraw from the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty. You know, the one about non-proliferation, etc, etc.
You know, working here on the key transportation command base for global troop movement, I'm thinking I need to seriously start looking at the commercial sector for a job. Yeah, defense sector has job security and great benefits and all.. but... I mean, if the s*** ever goes down... Heh.
-Shalome
Or maybe I should just move to Canada... hmm...
Posted by: Chako
I had written a long post for this spot, but when I reread it, it was filled more with emotions that I deemed not appropriate for these forums. I will, however state that Bush Jr is amazing. I am not surprised with anything he does anymore. Enough said.
Posted by: Chako
Just after writing the above post, I went outside to pick up the newspaper in the mailbox. Took a quick look at the front of the paper and found this.
By Juliet O’Neill
Southam Newspapers
MINISTER CALLS ON U.S. TO BE CONSISTENT ON TRADE ISSUES
Edmonton - Energy Minister Ralph Goodale says the United Sates is "dead wrong" to challenge Canada’s lumber exports and it is "offensive" for the Americans to expect free trade in energy but not practice it in lumber.
The minister’s tough words came a day after Prime Minister Jean Chretien said he had lectured President George Bush that the U.S. needs to be consistent in free trade, objecting that the Americans want Canada’s gas and oil but not its wood.
Chretien later toned down his remarks and ruled out retaliating on the lumber issue by withholding or taxing energy exports to the United States.
But the prime minister’s warning that the U.S. can’t say yes to Canada’s energy but no to its lumber exports, which he said he made to Bush in a phone call, appears to have had little impact in Washington.
The White House played down the significance of the conversation, saying it was one of many calls the president makes.
"The president spoke with the prime minister about the need to resolve this difficult issue between our tow countries." Fleischer said.
But Goodale turned up the heat on the issue again Wednesday, contrasting the U.S. hunger for Canadian energy with its treatment of Canadian softwood, which has been hit with a 19.3 per cent tariff.
You know what worries me is this. He is the only President to-date that has ignored Canada. He doesn't realize how closely meshed our nations are for export/import. He may think he is big, and God knows, Chretien is bending backwards to prevent a trade war and possible damage to CAN/US relationships, but if push comes to shove, he may be unpleasantly surprised at how much clout Canada does have. It all must stem from his lack of intelligence and poor advisors. It has to be. An intelligent man would not be playing these stupid games with a partner that has traditionally been good friends.
Posted by: Null Actor
If the US keeps doing this shit to Canada, they are going to find out just how much the rest of the world dislikes them. If all the UN countries back canada against the US, well...
I guess maybe the US will find out what it's like to be Cuba for a change.
Posted by: Null Actor
Is there any doubt left that Dubya is gearing up for war? He's pulled out of all the treaties, he's pissing off most of the world...
Like I said before... we're going to be lucky if we survive the next 4 years.
Posted by: AK47
The United States is not going to get involved in, or start, any kind of major war.
Posted by: Shalome
Read some Howard Zinn (political historian and excellent writer), AK47. We may not covertly do anything..
but then again, we aren't helping matters. Becoming isolationist (i.e. "I'm taking my ball and going HOME!") with global matters cannot help a 'superpower' like the United States in an increasingly international theatre. There is a balance that needs to be struck.. but this administration is not willing or able to consider it.
As the U.S. governmental face (i.e. the Prez) becomes more hostile (or if not hostile, at best disrespectful) to the wishes of the international community, the harder we fall in international standing. We may have the troops and the money, but not the respect or discipline required to be a true leader, politically.
The U.S is quickly becoming the 'teenager' of the world.. In governmental terms, we're young, relatively inexperienced, and self-obsessed. We think we know a lot, and we tell ourselves something along the lines of "the rest of the world can go f*** itself; they just don't understand; we know what's best for US.. they can't tell us what to do..." Sound familiar? It's the mantra of the adolescent, a mindset we have all fallen back on at one point or another (or are currently experiencing...).
You'll all have to excuse me now, as I must go watch South Park, BattleBots, and the Man Show for my daily dose of escapism. The Daily Show with John Stewart is the best widely-public news show out there. It's sad, in my opinion, that my best news-obtainment comes from a network called Comedy Central. Although, I guess you must possess a certain sense of humor to survive today's political arena in the U.S....
-Shalome
PS -- sorry 'bout the length of this rant. Did I ever mention I was once offered a job for a Denver-based political radio station?
Posted by: AK47
Well, I dont support many of the items being brought up in this thread. If all is true, yeah, Bush and his advisors are making some pretty tall mistakes. I havent watched the news in a long time, so I stay out of all the political issues. Im not educated on the subject, so I couldnt possibly offer any intellegent feedback. I will however stick to my statement about world wars. There just wont be any involving the US (or anyone for that matter). There may be minor wars going between smaller countries (bosnia or whatever), but we will never see a war the size of WWII again- never.
well, maybe when aliens land- but thats a whole thread in itself..
Posted by: Homer
Go Shalome!
Pissing off China with the spyplane was not a good idea. And then the arms deal with Taiwan? Jeepers, talk about stupid. The whole treaty with Taiwan was simply to prevent the spread of Communism, but China owns Taiwan whether or not America will accept that. Now that the spread of Communism isn't exactly a huge threat to USA, they should just drop the foney treaty.
Ahwell... I haven't really heard much on the news lately other than teen killings and drunk driving...
Posted by: Null Actor
Quote:
Originally posted by Shalome
It's sad, in my opinion, that my best news-obtainment comes from a network called Comedy Central.
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Dennis Miller is the only reliable source of news.
Posted by: redwench
yep. we have problems down here. the recent path of the current administration is beginning to disturb me. shal, you are right, were acting like 15 year olds, who think that yelling and fisticuffs can solve your problems and make others do what you want.
and this trade nonsense with canada has to stop. they are our largest trading partner, its silly to put tariffs on non luxury goods.
oh, AK, we are involved in a few wars. they are all minor, some are covert. but we are there. and yes, it appears as though bush is trying his damndest to get us into a serious armed conflict. as far as i can tell, he hasnt pissed of the australians yet, but im sure thats only a matter of time.
Posted by: TotalRecall
Why we? It's not we, it's them.
I take no responsibility for the actions of those losers that have the power.
Posted by: Bishop
not taking an action is some sort of philosophical crime or some such stupidity.
Posted by: Digitalphatman
I am still confused on how u could claim that Geroge bush stole...or didn't win the election and we should have had a recount.
If You actualy look at the final vote total in Florida, GW won the election. For people to complain that the United states Election process is messed up, its not they are just all upset cause the guy they picked lost. All Gore made this country look foolish by actin like a little kid who did not get his way. He mase a big deal about nothing considering the election was over for a while.
AND I am still confused on why ppl think he is such a bad president? What do we all think that Bubba (Bill Clinton) did a better job....lol, good one.
As for Kiyoto(probably spelled it wrong) Clinton sent that bill to the legislature years ago and it was shot down. They voted it out of existence. And how many other country's do u see jumping on the bandwagon. Noy many, why becuse they know it would destroy their economy!!!
Posted by: Null Actor
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Originally posted by Digitalphatman
I am still confused on how u could claim that Geroge bush stole...or didn't win the election and we should have had a recount.
If You actualy look at the final vote total in Florida, GW won the election. For people to complain that the United states Election process is messed up, its not they are just all upset cause the guy they picked lost. All Gore made this country look foolish by actin like a little kid who did not get his way. He mase a big deal about nothing considering the election was over for a while.
AND I am still confused on why ppl think he is such a bad president? What do we all think that Bubba (Bill Clinton) did a better job....lol, good one.
As for Kiyoto(probably spelled it wrong) Clinton sent that bill to the legislature years ago and it was shot down. They voted it out of existence. And how many other country's do u see jumping on the bandwagon. Noy many, why becuse they know it would destroy their economy!!!
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Actually, if you total up all the numbers of the popular vote, gore won by 500000 votes. You guys have a strange system though, where the popular vote doesn't really mean much.
Dubya has already exceded the amount of bad stuff Clinton did when it comes to the world politics scene.
And almost ALL the first world countries are part of kyoto, EXCEPT for the US. It won't 'destroy' any economy. All it asks is that people reduce their fossil fuel consumption, and lower pollution levels.
Posted by: CETORT
what's the popular vote have to do with anything? the U.S. is not a democracy ....
Posted by: AK47
arguing about which president was better... cmon now.
It sounds dumber than when 10 year olds defend their favorite video game system. You know what you people should do- admit that they both have good points and bad points. There really is nothing more irritating than hearing people go on and on about how Bill Clinton was so horrible. Same is true for Bush. The worst thing is all this "Bush is waaay worse than Clinton". Yeah, sure- you know. Get the hell out of here! He hasnt even been in office for a year!! Give him a year or two. Then you'll have lots of things you can rip on him for.
arguing about presidents- boring and pointless.
almost forgot- still talking about the election!!!!!!!!! jesus christ! get over it! I think I really need to hang myself- I fear all this "gore won" crap is really getting to me. Is he president? hell naw. did he have more votes? hell yeah. isnt that great -
All the people who complain about who won or who lost, are the exact same people who I guarantee have once uttered the phrase "life aint fair". assholes.
Posted by: redwench
everyone has said life isnt fair at one point. but i agree. arguing about the election is silly. if you dont like the electoral college system, then write to your elected representative and ask them to sponsor a constitutional amendment.
i, for one, dont like comparing presidents to each other. the situations are unique to each one, so its pointless. every president has done things i like, and things i dont like. i doubt that will stop anytime soon.
anyone who always agrees or disagrees with the powers that be is a little off. that means you are seeing them for what they represent, rather than what they really are.
Posted by: Digitalphatman
Yeah you are right....America is not a true democracy. Is is a Representative democracy. It was set up so the whims of the people in this country would not elect a fool to office(no i am not implying anything about Gore). They took the best of all the systems they had and this is what they came up with, which i don't think is too bad.
And second Gore may have won overall by those many votes but he still lost Florida. There fore losing the election.
Posted by: redwench
our form of government is offically called a republic
which is a form of representational democracy. ^^
Posted by: Chako
Found this at an interent news site.
Feds May Tap Social Security Funds
Updated: Mon, Aug 27 12:21 PM EDT
By CURT ANDERSON, AP Tax Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush's tax cut and the nation's economic downturn will force the government to take $9 billion out of Social Security this year to pay for other operations, breaking a bipartisan commitment in Congress, congressional analysts reported Monday.
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, offering a more pessimistic view of the government's finances than the Bush administration did last week, estimating the total budget surplus for the fiscal year that ends Sept. 30 at $153 billion - down $122 billion from its May estimate.
CBO says Social Security will be tapped for $9 billion in fiscal 2001. After a small non-Social Security surplus of $2 billion in fiscal 2002, CBO projects the government will use $18 billion out of the retirement program in 2003 and $3 billion in 2004.
Somehow, when I heard you guys where getting a tax cut, I just knew something was going to get hit.
Posted by: Kdr Kane
There is disagreement with those numbers. There is supposed to be a $1B surplus I heard this weekend.
Posted by: Shalome
Tax cut, my a**. I took home about $120 for every $180 I earned last year (which, by the way, was my weekly paycheck).. the other $60 going to taxes. Every week. I didn't get a darn cent back in this "tax relief" brouhaha. A man I know who brought home about $75,000 got $300 back.
Who do you think could have used more tax relief?
-Shalome
Posted by: TotalRecall
Taxes are just an excuse to pay politicians for doing nothing.
Posted by: Null Actor
Not really. Taxes do have a purpose. But there is no reason for exorbitant amounts.
Posted by: Ion Silverbolt
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Originally posted by Shalome
Tax cut, my a**. I took home about $120 for every $180 I earned last year (which, by the way, was my weekly paycheck).. the other $60 going to taxes. Every week. I didn't get a darn cent back in this "tax relief" brouhaha. A man I know who brought home about $75,000 got $300 back.
Who do you think could have used more tax relief?
-Shalome
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