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Anarchist's Cookbook
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Posted by: AOTY2KB
What are your thoughts on the knowledge available in the Anarchist's Cookbook? Should it be banned for allowing people too much freedom to knowledge that leads to harm? Is it just good reading or really a legal terrorist's manual. Explain.
Posted by: Xoncide
books don't kill people, ideas kill people.
Posted by: AOTY2KB
Was 9:35's post deleted by one of the moderators? I got a message saying he had a view on the book.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
It wasn't a view about the book, trust me 
Posted by: armystud0911
I think that this book should be kept away from children and even young adults, however even though this will not contribute anything positive to society, I stand behind the first amendment.
I feel bad for that author though, man I would hate to think that I wrote that book a while ago and oppose it now!
Posted by: laborat
Having strong anarchal tendencies, I have to say that true knowledge in any form, especially those forms of knowledge that tend to be suppressed by the ones in power for fear it might lead to a lessening of their power, are those keys to freeing oneself from this media matrix we call the twentys.
So. Is the Anarchist's Cookbook true knowledge? It certainly contains stuff that people in power fear getting in the hands of the general populace. Is it a terrorist manifesto? Well, why's and how-tos don't necessarily make the Anarchist Cookbook lethal. People have to read, with intent, with STRONG intent, and then follow (by trial and error I might add) the steps necessary to create whatever chaos they believe revenge justifies them.
But would they get it through a book? doubtful. I suspect some long retired republican tech writer for microsoft wrote the Cookbook anonymously in between courses at M.I.T. and is laughing his way through retirement at all the money the book is making for him and his publisher.
Is the book even Anarchal? Well, it does offer the foolish a fool's chance at both wisdom and self empowerment, but the odds of success are worse than winning a state run lottery. You think getting into the NFL is hard, breaking into international terrorism is damn near impossible unless you have a government behind you. and the retirement benefits sucketh goats. unless you write a book.
Posted by: redwench
when i was in college, one of my professors told the class how to make mustard gas 
i think people's behavior should be legislated, not ideas. the only reason to remove that "book" from availability would be if something it said was harmless wasnt. as long as its factual, i see no reason to do anything about it.
Posted by: AOTY2KB
The book has been recently banned in Canada and for a while by the US.
As for the digital copy available on the website, I have no clue where we stand.
Posted by: N.W.A_Kid
Hey, they passed the concealed weapons law in ohio, why not let us have the anarchy cookbook too?
Whether it's banned or not is not going to stop people from getting their hands (or eyes if you wish) on it. It's up to the reader to do what they want with the information. I personally wouldn't use anything in it, and again, it was stated earlier that empowerment with the book is pretty slim.
Posted by: AOTY2KB
Seeing in the poll few know what this book is, here is the web link.
http://www.anarchist-cookbook.com/
Posted by: Tecil
That thing has been around for years. There are always people selling copies at the gun shows. 90% of the information in it is inaccurate. not true, or out of date. If you did actually try any of it, you'd most likely end up loosing life or limb.
Posted by: AOTY2KB
Thst is if all you wanted to do was read the explosives section. The McDonalds prank or survival techniques might be of some value...
You must remember these guys claim there selling US NAVY SEALS Manuals etc.
Posted by: INeedHelp
wait... i thought you can still get that book at your local book store...
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/bo...974458902&itm=1
Posted by: AOTY2KB
One of my close friends father's works for Canada Customs. He told me not to propagate the fact I have access or am reading the book as that's the quick way to make it to the top of the terrorist watch list. When he found it in someone's luggage (post 9/11) he ended up running a search on it as to his best knowledge it was legal. Of course by this time it was banned up north.
Posted by: Bix VT
I don't see any reason for it to be banned. As laborat said, you would have to have tendancies toward anarchy in the first place, as well as the motivation to act before you could become dangerous...and even if this book weren't around, there are plenty of other places for people to find out how to do the things listed in the book...
Posted by: IceBreaker
I was about to bring up one of B.Franklin's famous quotes, but it is already in Redwench's signature 
However the following is also well suited:
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it"
- Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: TheeMon
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Originally posted by N.W.A_Kid
Hey, they passed the concealed weapons law in ohio
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exactly, and did i forget to mention i live in ohio now :evilgrin:
Posted by: IceBreaker
I'm curious to know who voted for answer n°1......
Posted by: AltronHGX
I did..what does it matter?
Posted by: Xoncide
If means you disagreed with icebreaker, and therefore are inherently wrong.
Posted by: AOTY2KB
Why did you vote like Bush, Altron?
Posted by: redwench
kill the altron!
Posted by: AOTY2KB
No need to be physical, we'll just torture him like we're torturing Ice with words lol. Jokes aside, I'd like to know why he stands by that POV, like so few of us do.
Posted by: AltronHGX
Well, I didn't actually vote the first option--then I thought about it, and it actually makes sense....for example I was reading an article on censorship and they were speaking of how cures to heart diseases may never be made public--such info reveals the strain that causes the infection and could then be used for horrific things.......
At the same time I don't think that "there ought to be limits on freedom of speech" is an accurate depiction of why I choose to think this way.
Oh well http://www.darkintellect.com/altron/gay.gif
edit: I want to say right out that this sort of thing shouldn't be "limited" unless it contains shit about biological warfare. That crap freaks me the **** out 
Guess it has to do with my life-long phobia of mold..
Posted by: Xoncide
i didnt vote because all options are obviously slanted towards "teh cookie bok is good" and that doesn't express my view.
Posted by: AOTY2KB
The options above where basically NO
YES
UNSURE
If your opinion differs from the rest of us I would gladly wish to listen in, after all that is why this poll was made.
As for the "Limit to free speech" part, it was just a Bushism I wished to incorporate.
BTW Altron, to the best of my knowledge, it does not contain material about bio-warfare. I would not be surprised if there are websites and IRC Channels dedicated to the cause.
Posted by: AltronHGX
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Originally posted by AOTY2KB
BTW Altron, to the best of my knowledge, it does not contain material about bio-warfare.
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then they can do what the **** they want.
just don't get me sick
Posted by: Xoncide
"There ought to be limits to free speech," and the Cookbook is one of those things that should remain under wraps.
connation there is 
Posted by: IceBreaker
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Originally posted by AOTY2KB
No need to be physical, we'll just torture him like we're torturing Ice with words lol.
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Now who's torturing who? http://forum.presence-pc.com/images/perso/xam.gif
Posted by: AltronHGX
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Posted by: N.W.A_Kid
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Originally posted by TheeMon
exactly, and did i forget to mention i live in ohio now :evilgrin:
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are you at least 21 though? I believe you have be to 21 in Ohio. 
I'm thinking of taking the course myself.
Posted by: AOTY2KB
mind filling me in plz???
Posted by: BooRadley
No books should be banned.
You start playing that stuff, and you never know what's going to be banned next. Hell, the Bible tells you specifically how to involk God's terrible wrath to smite entire enemy populations. I'd say that's a hell of a lot more destructive than a potato-based silencer that will probably blow up in your face the first time you try to fire through it. Besides, silencers and exploding potatoes are both pretty cool. :P
That touches on the moral aspect from the, "Don't be like Hitler, don't burn books," point of argument (though there are many others), but then there's the actual implimentation. Were you around when a Federal Court tried to ban the code for De-CSS? Not only was that highly unconstitutional, it was also completely impossible to enforce.
Unless you want an authoritarian state, don't jump on the book burning bandwagon.
Posted by: AOTY2KB
Harry Potter 1
Book Burners 0
lol 
Posted by: TwiztidJuggalo
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Books dont kill people, ideas kill people.
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i disagree. i think PEOPLE kill people, everyone has ideas, it's just who has enough self-control to limit their action
-matt
Posted by: AOTY2KB
Quiet isn't it?
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