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Big mistake and im sorry
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Posted by: Bunmiadefisayo
It really saddened me to see that the Red fan club thread was closed, then again its probably better since any mroe comments posted by some ppls would have been inappropriate . Honestly my intentions were not to start a "stalker club" or whatnot, i wasnt even seriosu when i did taht. I was merely joking. I know it may have caused offence to Red and/or other people and this is not what i meant to od.
In any case thanks to Armystud, Ice, Bix, Racast and Thee who didnt take my comments in the wrong way and post unsuitable things on the thread. Honetly, if those guys had been the only ones commenting, it probably wouldnt hae been closed since they known how to keep stuff clean (and Ice would have steered it in another direction  )
Lastly, whatever people think, it is NOT as a result of Red being a woman that i did that. What did her being a woman have to do with anything? Pfft!
Posted by: IceBreaker
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Originally posted by Bunmiadefisayo
In any case thanks to Armystud, Ice, Bix, Racast and Thee who didnt take my comments in the wrong way and post unsuitable things on the thread.
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You left out Redwench http://forum.presence-pc.com/images/perso/ddr555.gif
Posted by: redwench
the unsuitable things i could post would make laggys fur stand on end.
Posted by: RAcastClarke
You're plenty welcome, bud.
Posted by: Bunmiadefisayo
Well thats all the reassurance i needed, thanks 
Posted by: RAcastClarke
Listen bud, you had a good idea going, it just got out of hand...
It's okay, I would have probably done the same thing at one point too, I'm not exactly the brightest bulb in the warehouse...
Posted by: Bix VT
*round of applause for Flanders*
I would have started such a thread a while ago but I figured something like this would happen...
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Uhm ... I found the idea of <insert member name here> day a "spammy" thread - and an avatar-changing routine even more so. When I asked that all things about it be ceased, there was nothing else to talk about in the topic, except open it up to more trolling, sarcastic replies from the usual clueless peanut gallery, and other things we wouldn't like to happen... hence I closed it... do you want me to reopen it just so you can apologize for posting it, and in the process let the clueless peanut gallery take potshots at you? I didn't think so I don't see the problem, or the big deal ... no biggie to me
The comments that followed mine had nothing to do with the topic closure. I actually should've closed it sooner, as soon as I issued the "suggestion" but silly me
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by Bunmiadefisayo
In any case thanks to Armystud, Ice, Bix, Racast and Thee who didnt take my comments in the wrong way and post unsuitable things on the thread. Honetly, if those guys had been the only ones commenting, it probably wouldnt hae been closed
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I highly doubt that
If I allowed a topic to go on like that, what would stop a Canis Lupus Day or a Null Actor Day or maybe even a *gasp* TheeMon Day or an Altron Day... Before you know it, someone's gonna suggest a member of the week thread (oh, and anyone who posts a topic like that would be suspended until 2005)...
But I guess you get what I'm saying
Posted by: armystud0911
gotta love laggy
Posted by: taco_fox
clueless peanut gallery 
Posted by: Canis Lupus
I forgot to mention that it is not wrong to admire a fellow member - I'm all for it, and it's great to see admiration between peers. But I'm just implying that, with a glaring majority of members being cynics, posting those types of topics would hurt the person you admire more than help them...
*steps off soapbox and plays with his legos*
Posted by: ZLRAC
I would've never changed my Avatar. In honor though here's one of my favorite songs...
Red, red wine, go to my head,
Make me forget that I
Still need her so.
Red, red wine, it's up to you.
All I can do, I've done;
But mem'ries won't go.
No, mem'ries won't go.
I'd have thought that with time
Thoughts of her would leave my head.
I was wrong, and I find
Just one thing makes me forget.
Red, red wine, stay close to me.
Don't let me be alone;
It's tearing apart
My blue, blue heart.
I'd have thought that with time
Thoughts of her would leave my head.
I was wrong, and I find
Just one thing makes me forget.
Red, red wine, stay close to me.
Don't let me be alone;
It's tearing apart
My blue, blue heart.
-UB40
Carl Z
http://ymail.flamingtext.com/ymail/...90672_20969.gif
Posted by: RAcastClarke
...I thought it was a good idea...
Posted by: Bix VT
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Originally posted by Canis Lupus
Before you know it, someone's gonna suggest a member of the week thread (oh, and anyone who posts a topic like that would be suspended until 2005)...
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I'm tempted to start such a thread just to see if you would follow through on that threat...
Posted by: ZLRAC
Bix VT, you know how Canis is... your mere suggestion of that might get you suspended 'til next month. Wait, that's only two more days.
http://ymail.flamingtext.com/ymail/...97986_32558.gif
Posted by: Bix VT
Well then, I might start such a thread on on December 29th of this year...http://forum.presence-pc.com/images/perso/666%20.gif
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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The last person who 'asked' to be banned "was" banned, no questions asked ... think about that
And when I said "until 2005", that doesn't mean you get unbanned on January 1st maybe it means December 31st (or 32'rdeth)
Posted by: Bix VT
Not asking to be banned, just posting some "food for thought" as it were...
I honestly have no intention of getting myself banned.
Posted by: armystud0911
hey laggy do you determine members by emails or IP's? Is it possible that a previously banned member is out here posing as n00b?
Posted by: redwench
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Originally posted by armystud0911
hey laggy do you determine members by emails or IP's?
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yes 
Posted by: armystud0911
So my roommate couldn't join on my computer?
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by armystud0911
Is it possible that a previously banned member is out here posing as n00b?
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there have already been a few who have done it before ... some of them have been so stupid that they call attention to themselves and get themselves banned again ... others keep a low profile and try not to cause any trouble ... as long as they don't cause trouble or admit to having been "banned" before, I have no problems with "posers" - it's like trying to pretend to know them again for the first time, until they **** up again and get banned
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Originally posted by armystud0911
So my roommate couldn't join on my computer?
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Your roommate can "join" and "post" if he wants on your computer - it's your computer But if he causes trouble, I ban the IP address/IP range he posts on (if that includes yours, tough luck)
Posted by: Zoncide
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Originally posted by Canis Lupus
there have already been a few who have done it before ... some of them have been so stupid that they call attention to themselves and get themselves banned again ... others keep a low profile and try not to cause any trouble ... as long as they don't cause trouble or admit to having been "banned" before, I have no problems with "posers" - it's like trying to pretend to know them again for the first time, until they **** up again and get banned
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Oh, really?
Posted by: armystud0911
lol, how did you screw your last account up man? Your aiming to mess this one up REALLY fast!
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by Canis Lupus
some of them have been so stupid that they call attention to themselves and get themselves banned again
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Originally posted by Zoncide
Oh, really?
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Case in point
he was initially suspended until OTS's 4th year anniversary on Tuesday ... now he's perma-banned for using sarcasm as a smurf post, lol
And no more amount of grovelling and pleading can reinstate his account - he was under probation already...
Now where were we, lol ...
Posted by: armystud0911
Oh yeah I noticed that anniversary, did you do anything special laggy?
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by armystud0911
Oh yeah I noticed that anniversary, did you do anything special laggy?
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nope
Posted by: TheeMon
bix, i thought about it too, but i didnt wanna tempt laggy... heh
Posted by: Blackknight
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Originally posted by TheeMon
bix, i thought about it too, but i didnt wanna tempt laggy... heh
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Been there done that.
Posted by: TheeMon
me too... me too...
Posted by: laborat
What this all comes down to, and Laggy/Canis is saying, is that on any site, you have to have certain rules. These rules make no allowances for the majority or the minority, the integrity of the site comes first.
The majority of the posters or lurkers who frequent OTS are here for tech info or online community involvement, and to that end anyone who affects, spams, harasses, or in anyway turns off people who come to OTS for help or a sense of online belonging is going to be banned.
The minority of the posters or lurkers who frequent OTS are always on the edge of rule breaking, testing the limits and Laggy/Canis's patience and to that end (see above). I personally find it hard to believe that anyone who can use a computer could be so stupid as to think that their agendas take precedence over Laggy/Canis's. Being a real member of OTS is a priviledge not a right. Many who have come here and actually read the archives, and gained the knowledge that is available on this site and others, have gone on to become moderators with Canis's Blessing for we are always short of tech help. Most didn't stop there but went on to bigger and better things like good paying jobs, their own sites, accredidation and degrees. We are here to help and that is OTS's main focus.
Those who think we are an entertainment channel strictly for them should go elsewhere. You really want to help then follow the rules. If you don't know what the rules are then ask.
Anyone who just used common sense will have no problem here. Common sense example: If you don't know the answer then don't post anything. I for one, think that people who consistantly derail threads should be banned.
I am certainly not against humor of any kind but the level of sarcasm on this site is noteworthy. I confess I am one the offenders mainly because the level of posts over the years has gone from mature to somewhere before preschool in most instances.The behavior I am guilty of involves personal observations on posters.
I think everyone should consider what it is that they really want others to think of them. If you put on your best face and your best behavior then you have a good chance of both respect and friendship. If you really want to be thought of as an idiot or clown and act accordingly then be prepared to being banned or suspended from OTS.
Posted by: ZLRAC
Well said Laborat!
http://ymail.flamingtext.com/ymail/...97986_32558.gif
Posted by: Bix VT
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Originally posted by laborat
Being a real member of OTS is a priviledge not a right.
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I couldn't agree with you more. And a valuable one at that.
Posted by: Bunmiadefisayo
<sigh>
WTF??? When did i reach Freakdom?
Posted by: chaosisreality
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Originally posted by laborat
I think everyone should consider what it is that they really want others to think of them. If you put on your best face and your best behavior then you have a good chance of both respect and friendship. If you really want to be thought of as an idiot or clown and act accordingly then be prepared to being banned or suspended from OTS.
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I disagree. OTS has come a long way from being just a basic tech support site, having off-topic/hijacked threads in the Off-topic forum is not a bad thing. While I do agree there should be some standard to rules, do you honestly want a forum that only consists of Introduction/Birthday threads and "What's your favorite (Insert subject here)" posts?
It's understood that Canis wishes for a forum with orderly threads and discussions, but he and you have to take the opposite perspective as well. Unless it's in a thread that would (a) be locked as the content violates a strict forum rule (warez, porn, etc.) or (b) in which that sarcasm would help the poster to achieve a better understanding of his problem, tech threads are not often/never derailed, hijacked, whatever the terminology it is you wish to use. That follows my point: The threads that seem to be causing your alleged problem are General/Off-topic posts, and in no way seem to be affecting the "newbies" that come to OTS for questions.
There is a fine line between having a forum of total chaos (A good example could possibly be Genmay), and having a strict forum where the only regs would be those who visit to help the ones with tech problems/needs. As I implied, OTS is a variance on that comparison. We have a tech support oriented goal (the majority of the sub-forums being somehow tech related with the exception of Polls and Discussion forums), in which people who try to regulate these forums will help others with their problems, and in their time between that just casually post in what would be a discussion forum. There is a limit to what boundaries you can cross when discussing "off-topic" ideas, but why set that limit so low you're unable to discuss freely?
I wrote this up as a rebuttal, but I realized when I was done that it doesn't matter. This is Canis's site and forum, he's going to do what he thinks to be best in any situation. Whatever though, I'll post it and see what your responses are.
Posted by: Bunmiadefisayo
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Originally posted by chaosisreality
It's understood that Canis wishes for a forum with orderly threads and discussions, but he and you have to take the opposite perspective as well. Unless it's in a thread that would (a) be locked as the content violates a strict forum rule (warez, porn, etc.) or (b) in which that sarcasm would help the poster to achieve a better understanding of his problem, tech threads are not often/never derailed, hijacked, whatever the terminology it is you wish to use. That follows my point: The threads that seem to be causing your alleged problem are General/Off-topic posts, and in no way seem to be affecting the "newbies" that come to OTS for questions.
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Finally! Someone has the balls to stand up to Laborat at last. I always wanted to do it but was fraid that i may be breaking one or more rules.
I also like that fact that it come from someone who is a veteran here in OTS. You also said that Canis wanted a forum with orderly discussions and whatnot...isnt that what he has already! I mean sometimes we may have threads that are not according to rules, but those are taken care of as quickly as they are posted.
In any case kudos to you bro, i appreciate the fact that you disagree with Laborat (whom i agree with on many other issues). If anyone takes offence to Chaosisreality's post and mine, too bad. I appreciate when ppl speak thier minds.
Posted by: Bobaroo
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Originally posted by Canis Lupus
there have already been a few who have done it before ... some of them have been so stupid that they call attention to themselves and get themselves banned again ... others keep a low profile and try not to cause any trouble ... as long as they don't cause trouble or admit to having been "banned" before, I have no problems with "posers" - it's like trying to pretend to know them again for the first time, until they **** up again and get banned
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Oh god...those memories...
So whos the member of the week?
Posted by: uh...ok
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Originally posted by Bunmiadefisayo
Finally! Someone has the balls to stand up to Laborat at last. I always wanted to do it but was fraid that i may be breaking one or more rules.
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I don't think it's a matter of "balls", as you put it, as just that Labo's posts tend to be:
a) non-inflammatory in the sense that they don't generate argument
b) correct
Where exactly did you "always want to do it"? Granted you follow the rules of the forum and that you make coherent posts, you are always free to speak up in argument against the posts of any member here.
Posted by: IceBreaker
When is "off-topic"..."off-topic"...or "off-off-topic" - that's the question http://forum.presence-pc.com/images...20le%20loup.gif
Posted by: Bunmiadefisayo
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Originally posted by uh...ok
I don't think it's a matter of "balls", as you put it, as just that Labo's posts tend to be:
a) non-inflammatory in the sense that they don't generate argument
b) correct
Where exactly did you "always want to do it"? Granted you follow the rules of the forum and that you make coherent posts, you are always free to speak up in argument against the posts of any member here.
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I never said his posts were inflamnatory and wrong, quite the opposite; they are very sterile and clean, lacking in the normal courtesies that other people tend to put in their posts a.k.a smilies which can help to at least distinguish moods. he tends to just come into the middle of a thread and post something that we are all supposed to accept as the right thing just because...
but then again he has probably been at thsi site from the start and who the **** am i, a noob, to come and upset the order of site?
Posted by: laborat
"Finally! Someone has the balls to stand up to Laborat at last. I always wanted to do it but was fraid that i may be breaking one or more rules. "
--Bunmiadefisayo
First off, Bun --can I call you Bun? I am only a columnist. I am not a moderator, have no priviledges of a moderator or administrator that I know of, in short...I see no rules you could possibly break by disagreeing with anything I say. My opinion is my own as witnessed by the big disclaimer above my column heading.
It is true that Canis/Laggy and I are old friends from way way back in web time. I have yet (I hope) to presume on that friendship in any way in retaliation with anything anyone has said or done. Actions speak louder than words and people I often take to task are idiots in training and don't last long here. but not at my urging or doing. We talk, Canis/Laggy and I but it is usually about my website he is working on.
In the beginning, I was a columist at the-group, another offshoot of Battlenet OTS where most of us oldsters met via Diablo Wun. When Laggy/Canis was putting his site together he asked me if I would do a column for him as well. I said yes, after clearing it with wargy. So I started writing here. It has not been a consistant relationship with OTS as health issues to numerous to mention have prevented me from being here all the time.
But it is true I am loyal to the spirit in which the site was originally conceived and look severely askance at anyone who tests the rules. It's not that I don't understand or remember the mischeiviousness of my youth or yours, it is more of wanting to help maintain an image of OTS that Laggy/Canis has tried to present to the www.
Too many times over the years here, I have seen efforts both here and at the-group in turning sites into personal clubs or fiefdoms or even (gasp!) clans. Elitism of any kind rubs me the wrong way and I have felt that Laggy/Canis has done extremely well in managing his site through the politics that can erupt at any time. In my view, We both share similar opinons toward rules and the web, and for that he has my loyalty.
I have tried hard to confine my remarks to my columns but have failed. The climate of the times, the hard issues facing all of us make silence impossible. Yes, I will continue to give my viewpoint and anyone is free to disagree with it. Since I am almost 58 now, I realize a lot of my views will be alien to a lot of the younger posters. But trust me, I have had plenty of time to formulate my views while at the same time gathering fact from fiction in the world around me. I try to temper my cynicism with hope for I feel without hope those forces I fight will win and it is a hard time ahead for all of us.
So don't ever be afraid to say what you think about what I say. One of us might learn something if the debate or rebuttal is serious. Just don't take threads in any forum and derail them just because you can...lots of the posts I have seen and commented on, could have been handled on ICQ or Messenger or even as a private message on this board.
I suppose I am saying that you should think before you type, your fingers are constantly playing jokes on your brain just to make you look like an idiot, so review what you have said before you submit reply to be sure you actually want to say what has been written. An idiocy check is more important than SpellCheck in my opinion.
Posted by: taco_fox
I think most people don't debate with laborat because of his doctoral-thesis length posts. Case in point: above
Posted by: Bunmiadefisayo
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Originally posted by laborat
I suppose I am saying that you should think before you type, your fingers are constantly playing jokes on your brain just to make you look like an idiot, so review what you have said before you submit reply to be sure you actually want to say what has been written. An idiocy check is more important than SpellCheck in my opinion.
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Well i never!!! An idiocy check eh? Fine, i always knew techies were arrogant and not so patient with those whom they feel are not as well verse as they are but thsi takes the proverbial cake . I am assuming (and hoping) that you are going to check up on this and i hope you can recommend an adequate Idiocy Test since it is clear, in your opinion, that i am lacking certain thought processes that will enabkle me to escape from being labelled an idiot.
Then again i may be purposely misunderstanding your comments to suit my onw needs eh? After all i AM only 19 and have clearly not developed to the level beyond idiocy.
Nothing more to say then, whatever i say will obviously be viewed as mere incoherent babbling. i defer to you on this then
Oh and you can most definitely call me Bun!
Posted by: TheeMon
2nd'ed taco also(if your like me) after the first few lines you just skip down to shorter posts (sorry labo)
Posted by: Bix VT
I find reading labo's posts to be a daunting task when first faced with it. But then you read it and you think, "wow, he really couldn't have shorted that at all. It was all pertinent information."
But I must admit that, in my opinion, taco still holds the record the the best picture ever posted on OTS:
http://www.tacofox.net/stuff/postcliffnotes.jpeg
Posted by: redwench
funny, i have no problem disagreeing with laborat when i actually do.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Well, ain't this an animated discussion ... it reminds me of the time when ... hell, it reminds me of what happens every year in this site for as long as I can remember - members citing how a site should be run ... anyway, I digress...
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Originally posted by chaosisreality
I disagree. OTS has come a long way from being just a basic tech support site, having off-topic/hijacked threads in the Off-topic forum is not a bad thing. While I do agree there should be some standard to rules, do you honestly want a forum that only consists of Introduction/Birthday threads and "What's your favorite (Insert subject here)" posts?
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Yes, the peanut gallery always thinks they know what is right for a site. To them, a topic isn't a topic until it goes offtopic, because they can't keep interested and talk about one thing at a time. Reminds you of A.D.D.? Having your topics "hijacked" is a bad thing, because whoever hijacked it is not respecting your topic and has decided for himself or herself that your topic is not worthy to be discussed and tries to introduce a new one so that your present topic will die. Maybe you are used to posts where the only topic worth discussing is "how much beer you guzzled today" or "hey, let's post this site's most stupid threads here" but thankfully, I haven't sunk that low yet.
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Originally posted by chaosisreality
It's understood that Canis wishes for a forum with orderly threads and discussions, but he and you have to take the opposite perspective as well. Unless it's in a thread that would (a) be locked as the content violates a strict forum rule (warez, porn, etc.) or (b) in which that sarcasm would help the poster to achieve a better understanding of his problem, tech threads are not often/never derailed, hijacked, whatever the terminology it is you wish to use. That follows my point: The threads that seem to be causing your alleged problem are General/Off-topic posts, and in no way seem to be affecting the "newbies" that come to OTS for questions.
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Let me get one thing clear here - this whole forum is our concern. Just because our focus is technical support doesn't mean we will allow people to run over other people in other non-tech related forums. We determine a person's usefulness with their posts in tech-related topics, and we determine a person's attitude in his posts in non-tech related topics. One determines knowledge, the other determines attitude, I don't know how they moderate in your end of the woods, but I don't see how we should disregard other forum categories just because we're a "tech support" site... otherwise, we would just nuke the off topic forums and ban anyone who goes off topic... but then again, we're not sadists as you would like us to think. As Laborat has said, topics in the off topic forum have degenerated into sarcasm, cynicism and an active attempt to insult newcomers. How can you encourage newcomers to join the community when so-called "old members" are doing their best to make it as uncomfortable as possible to discuss.
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Originally posted by chaosisreality
There is a fine line between having a forum of total chaos (A good example could possibly be Genmay), and having a strict forum where the only regs would be those who visit to help the ones with tech problems/needs. As I implied, OTS is a variance on that comparison. We have a tech support oriented goal (the majority of the sub-forums being somehow tech related with the exception of Polls and Discussion forums), in which people who try to regulate these forums will help others with their problems, and in their time between that just casually post in what would be a discussion forum. There is a limit to what boundaries you can cross when discussing "off-topic" ideas, but why set that limit so low you're unable to discuss freely?
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Define "discuss freely" - does your definition of discussing freely include insulting people, using sarcasm, hijacking topics and derailing threads with inane topics? Most of the time, people who whine about their inability to "discuss freely" are the ones who try to flame members or try to run their mouths off. This isn't the liberal free speech site, buddy. This isn't genmay. This isn't SOJPLZ. This isn't 86ed. The reason why sites like those exist is because their owners deemed that flaming and discussing inane things are worth talking about (no offense)... but we consider these sites very beneficial because it helps cut down on those posts here in OTS. A place for people to stretch themselves, insult each other and moon each other to relieve the stress they allegedly get from OTS, so to speak... I have no problems with that. Discussing freely in OTS has never been a problem, it's just that people's definition of "discussing freely" has been flawed to begin with,
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Originally posted by chaosisreality
I wrote this up as a rebuttal, but I realized when I was done that it doesn't matter. This is Canis's site and forum, he's going to do what he thinks to be best in any situation. Whatever though, I'll post it and see what your responses are.
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I am not the only one who enforces the peace here. I've got 4 moderators who all do their jobs and keeping the peace. Your rebuttal (against laborat, I am sure) is really misdirected. You're trying to say that laborat is wrong in saying that using common sense when you post will not get you in trouble? The off-topic forums were put here because it allows people to discuss things not related to technical support or gaming. That doesn't mean that they can run with their mouths just coz they regard the off topic forum as a "non essential" component to the site's goals. Lemme tell you one thing though ... there have been more people suspended and/or banned because of their actions in the Off topic forum than anywhere else. What someone does in the site gets noticed, regardless of whether he engages in tech or non-tech related activities.
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Originally posted by Bunmiadefisayo
Finally! Someone has the balls to stand up to Laborat at last. I always wanted to do it but was fraid that i may be breaking one or more rules.
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I don't get this "I am afraid to speak up because I might break the rules" alibi. If you use good judgement, common sense and respect in your posts, why would you break the rules? Or does "speaking up" in your definition always entail the need to flame and insult someone?
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Originally posted by Bunmiadefisayo
I also like that fact that it come from someone who is a veteran here in OTS. You also said that Canis wanted a forum with orderly discussions and whatnot...isnt that what he has already! I mean sometimes we may have threads that are not according to rules, but those are taken care of as quickly as they are posted.
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Lots of "so-called veterans" have objected to our way of doing things here. That doesn't really make a difference. Laborat has been here since the site's early days, when 100 hits a day was cause for jubilation. He has seen the site grow, he has seen the site change, and he has helped it along the way. He knows what he is talking about more than ayone who has registered in the last year or two. It's been a trend when people who have only been here a year claim to know what the site has gone through... they really have no idea...
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Originally posted by IceBreaker
When is "off-topic"..."off-topic"...or "off-off-topic" - that's the question
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Oh, just in case you didn't understand my PM to you (which you claimed you did), read it again ... but I'm quoting it for you, just in case you missed it:
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As Tecil explained, you can start something off topic, but that doesn't give you the permission to talk about whatever you want to talk about in that particular topic ... for example, if someone posts a topic about cars, does that give you the permission to suddenly talk about dogs in that topic? Or suddenly engage in a chat with someone that is totally UNRELATED to the topic of cars? I am sure even you are smart enough to know that an offtopic topic doesn't mean you can just derail someone else's subject with the lame excuse that you can talk about ANYTHING because it's an offtopic forum ... use some common sense, man...
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Oh, and you replied "I get what you're saying, man" ... but obviously you don't ... so read it again.
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Originally posted by taco_fox
I think most people don't debate with laborat because of his doctoral-thesis length posts.
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Well, then it must be laborat's shortcoming, not yours, eh? Welcome to the A.D.D. generation.
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Originally posted by Bunmiadefisayo
Then again i may be purposely misunderstanding your comments to suit my onw needs eh?
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Yes you are ... don't get too caught up in your own motives that you fail to see reason staring you in the face.
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And I guess these kinds of posts would count as "discussing freely" eh? I guess this would be a better one for those who find problems with Laborat's posts:
http://media.wiley.com/product_data.../0764540432.jpg
But, omg, like it makes a difference, people who need it wouldn't have read up to this point anyway...
I'm not claiming the OTS system is the perfect system, but it has worked for us and this is why we are still here after 4 years. Respect for the community is paramount, and the less you think about your own motives and what YOU want, the better it is for the community.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
And as I said, this is an argument brought up almost every year because some members who are new to the system feel that it is too strict - or some old members try to relive an argument they lost from the previous year - but it has always been this way. Granted there may be times when we could go over the top, but it depends on the circumstances... sometimes you only have one troublemaker, and sometimes you have 3 troublemakers who have about 7-10 lemmings behind them... we have dealt with it the same everytime - tell it as it is, and sometimes those troublemakers leave. Sometimes their lemmings join them. Sometimes they said they'll leave but keep coming back (dunno why)... and yet others have started their own sites, saying that they'll allow discussions there that were not allowed in OTS ... no problems there, I even help them out It's just a case of been there, done that.
So I am just treating this as another time of the year when people join up and complain about alleged injustices. It always coincides with summer (probably the heat). But no biggie, it all simmers off and people go about their business as usual - until next year when a bunch of new members rise up once again...
Posted by: taco_fox
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Well, then it must be laborat's shortcoming, not yours, eh?
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yah
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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yah
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The first step to solving a problem is admitting you have one...
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try it, it works - my 5-year-old niece said so
Posted by: taco_fox
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Oh, I can read just fine. It's just that I don't particularly enjoy sifting through paragraphs of fluff in order to find the point of the post. Here's a pic for you~
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(ps, click on it)
Posted by: Canis Lupus
I guess you're just used to one line replies like in genmay ... I won't hold that against you
(click on it if you want)
Posted by: AOTY2KB
I respect laborat for his well reasearched responses. Sure, there long and boring at times, but they're very thorough. I don't debate much with him as he is a wise old man, who not too often needs to be stood corrected.
Posted by: taco_fox
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(click on it if you want)
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Right back at ya
Posted by: Bix VT
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If I might quote the point I was trying to make in my post:
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I find reading labo's posts to be a daunting task when first faced with it. But then you read it and you think, "wow, he really couldn't have shorted that at all. It was all pertinent information."
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For anyone who wants the "cliffs notes": laborat's posts are long but good. I enjoy them.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
it's good that you made your post short so that taco can understand it  Cheers, sorry for the misunderstanding...
Posted by: Bix VT
absolutely no problem at all, I must admit I'm relieved...being on an admin's bad side is not my idea of fun.
Posted by: Bunmiadefisayo
As Laborat has said, topics in the off topic forum have degenerated into sarcasm, cynicism and an active attempt to insult newcomers. How can you encourage newcomers to join the community when so-called "old members" are doing their best to make it as uncomfortable as possible to discuss.
-Canis Lupus
Firstly i am surprised that canis himself decided to add to this, this suggests that SOMEONE tattle-taled. In any case i still dont see any threads that support the above satement. Maybe they have been removed before we could see them? I am not even arguing with anyoen over how thsi site is run...on the contrary i take thsi site for granted. I just assume that everything will be hony-dory when i log on and find that there are no inane threads posted.
Hells Bells! Canis Himself
Posted by: IceBreaker
NO post is ever too long - no matter how long http://forum.presence-pc.com/images.../omforever2.gif
(suits me heh )
Say, how do you guys make those "click-images" in your posts??? [img] only displays a "non-link" pic & [url] only allows text-links, and AFAIK the 2 tags cannot be combined http://www.opentechsupport.net/foru...icons/icon5.gif
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Firstly i am surprised that canis himself decided to add to this, this suggests that SOMEONE tattle-taled. In any case i still dont see any threads that support the above satement. Maybe they have been removed before we could see them? I am not even arguing with anyoen over how thsi site is run...on the contrary i take thsi site for granted. I just assume that everything will be hony-dory when i log on and find that there are no inane threads posted.
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Tattle-tale? I dunno, it seems obvious enough that some old members tend to be territorial and try to "make their mark" on newcomer posts... I can see that a mile away everytime an old member posts a sarcastic remark
And you can thank the moderators for the seeming lack of "offending" posts ... they do their jobs well, but even they can't be online 24 hours a day, so some posts get through the cracks.
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Hit the quote button on those posts and see how it's done
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it's good that you made your post short so that taco can understand it Cheers, sorry for the misunderstanding...
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Posted by: chaosisreality
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Yes, the peanut gallery always thinks they know what is right for a site. To them, a topic isn't a topic until it goes offtopic, because they can't keep interested and talk about one thing at a time. Reminds you of A.D.D.? Having your topics "hijacked" is a bad thing, because whoever hijacked it is not respecting your topic and has decided for himself or herself that your topic is not worthy to be discussed and tries to introduce a new one so that your present topic will die.
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If all you do to hijack a thread is post "This thread is now about camels" to change the subject, wheereas the origional topic involves speakers, then you are correct in that would be blatant hijacking. Deviating from the topic just a tiny bit is not such a horrible thing, it leads to interesting and enlightening discussions. The problem being is that at some point, the topic strays so far from the original that someone (original poster or mods/admins) notice and delete the named posts, or lock the thread.
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Maybe you are used to posts where the only topic worth discussing is "how much beer you guzzled today" but thankfully, I haven't sunk that low yet.
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Hey, you haven't even visited that forum yet, so you can't really knock it (but it would be great if you registered and posted, so go ahead )
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Let me get one thing clear here - this whole forum is our concern. Just because our focus is technical support doesn't mean we will allow people to run over other people in other non-tech related forums. We determine a person's usefulness with their posts in tech-related topics, and we determine a person's attitude in his posts in non-tech related topics. One determines knowledge, the other determines attitude, I don't know how they moderate in your end of the woods, but I don't see how we should disregard other forum categories just because we're a "tech support" site... otherwise, we would just nuke the off topic forums and ban anyone who goes off topic... but then again, we're not sadists as you would like us to think. As Laborat has said, topics in the off topic forum have degenerated into sarcasm, cynicism and an active attempt to insult newcomers. How can you encourage newcomers to join the community when so-called "old members" are doing their best to make it as uncomfortable as possible to discuss.
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"...An active attempt to insult newcomers"? Of all the threads I've seen in atleast the timespan of a year, sarcasm/cynicism was nearly never aimed towards newcomers, but usually generically towards idiots. I don't mean people who are confused with their problem, but just plain stubborn and idiotic. In those cases, the end result seems to occasionally be that the named member that was at the recieving end of the sarcasm would either post a nice good bye thread, or do a "I'm so pissed off that I'm going to rant for a bit, and then request that I be removed from the memberlist/guides removed" post/thread. I can think of 2 cases off of the top of my head that fell under those two catagories, and both were seasoned veterans that either couldn't take the sarcasm, or got extremely angry that they were proven wrong and decided to take the cheap route out. If you can present a case where a fresh, clear from the water newbie came to OTS and on the first post was flamed/at the point of cynicism (and was not summarily deserving of it), I will retract this last paragraph with an apology, and sing a song about Canis being correct and right.
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Define "discuss freely" - does your definition of discussing freely include insulting people, using sarcasm, hijacking topics and derailing threads with inane topics? Most of the time, people who whine about their inability to "discuss freely" are the ones who try to flame members or try to run their mouths off. This isn't the liberal free speech site, buddy. This isn't genmay. This isn't SOJPLZ. This isn't 86ed. The reason why sites like those exist is because their owners deemed that flaming and discussing inane things are worth talking about (no offense)... but we consider these sites very beneficial because it helps cut down on those posts here in OTS. A place for people to stretch themselves, insult each other and moon each other to relieve the stress they allegedly get from OTS, so to speak... I have no problems with that. Discussing freely in OTS has never been a problem, it's just that people's definition of "discussing freely" has been flawed to begin with,
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To some extent, yes it does. Using cynical/sarcastic remarks is a part of life and the flow of posting. If it weren't for the off-color remarks made in the General forum, the posts would either be "Hey, I'm planting flowers outside, why doesn't OTS help me pick them out?" type threads, or the common "Sup guys, I burned a copy of WIII: TFT off of (insert some junky sharing program here), who wants to buy a copy of it?" threads that are usually locked in a timely fashion.
I know this isn't SOJPLZ/86ed/GenMay, and I certainly do not wish to see OTS become those forums, but you need to understand that all of those forums are related. You could consider Rants and Raves a more controlled version of the Pit, General/Offtopic almost like General Mayhem (except for the sex, shens, and drama), as well as a few other comparisons that could easily be made (but whatever, I'm tired, and you're getting the drift of this.) I'm not saying to totally remove the rules here and let this forum become a big chaotic free-for-all, just that some of the instances in which you/Laborat are implying are incorrect. Try looking at things from "the peanut galleries" perspective at the different threads that were hijacked/derailed.
By the way, stop using 86ed as one of your bashing examples, it really isn't that bad. Try posting there first.
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Your rebuttal (against laborat, I am sure) is really misdirected. You're trying to say that laborat is wrong in saying that using common sense when you post will not get you in trouble? The off-topic forums were put here because it allows people to discuss things not related to technical support or gaming. That doesn't mean that they can run with their mouths just coz they regard the off topic forum as a "non essential" component to the site's goals. Lemme tell you one thing though ... there have been more people suspended and/or banned because of their actions in the Off topic forum than anywhere else. What someone does in the site gets noticed, regardless of whether he engages in tech or non-tech related activities.
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Not against Laborat, but the whole "All who destroy the integrity of this site should be banned" idealism he's carrying on his shoulders. I won't go into it again, I'm sure that it's been completly responded to above.
There's a difference between running your mouth, and using sarcasm to make a point. Right now, I'm responding to you civil manner. Running my mouth would be in the form of a "OMG HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT YOU FASCIST **** *** ****, etc." type response, which is not typically the mode of communication your named "peanut gallery" uses.
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Laborat has been here since the site's early days, when 100 hits a day was cause for jubilation. He has seen the site grow, he has seen the site change, and he has helped it along the way. He knows what he is talking about more than ayone who has registered in the last year or two. It's been a trend when people who have only been here a year claim to know what the site has gone through... they really have no idea...
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That does not make the things he says correct.
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Oh look, would that be sarcasm used to make a point?
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Originally posted by Canis Lupus
I'm not claiming the OTS system is the perfect system, but it has worked for us and this is why we are still here after 4 years. Respect for the community is paramount, and the less you think about your own motives and what YOU want, the better it is for the community.
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I'm not flaming or disrespecting you, but in my honest opinion, that has to by the most idiotic and un-thought out response you have come up with, to my knowledge. "Don't make waves for the good of the community"? If people had not ever spoken out or questioned authority, the United States would still be a colony under Great Britian, Germany would still be controlled by Hitler and the Nazi, and Russia would still be communistic. Try rephrasing your statement.
I'm tired, and apologize sincerely for any spelling mistakes.
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And as I said, this is an argument brought up almost every year because some members who are new to the system feel that it is too strict - or some old members try to relive an argument they lost from the previous year - but it has always been this way. Granted there may be times when we could go over the top, but it depends on the circumstances... sometimes you only have one troublemaker, and sometimes you have 3 troublemakers who have about 7-10 lemmings behind them... we have dealt with it the same everytime - tell it as it is, and sometimes those troublemakers leave. Sometimes their lemmings join them. Sometimes they said they'll leave but keep coming back (dunno why)... and yet others have started their own sites, saying that they'll allow discussions there that were not allowed in OTS ... no problems there, I even help them out It's just a case of been there, done that.
So I am just treating this as another time of the year when people join up and complain about alleged injustices. It always coincides with summer (probably the heat). But no biggie, it all simmers off and people go about their business as usual - until next year when a bunch of new members rise up once again...
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Wrong. No one cares about the "redwench fan club" thread, beacuse it was a stupid idea to begin with. This discussion stemmed from Laborat's response, and attributed to those ideas.
You want to look at it from the same things you said in an above post? Considering that this discussion is far from the origional post, it seems that Laborat hijacked the thread with his post.
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I guess you're just used to one line replies like in genmay ... I won't hold that against you
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Try going to the Pit one day.
Posted by: RAcastClarke
Holy crap...longest posts I have ever seen. Didn't read a single one.
Blahbitdy blah blah.
We have our opinions and we're entitled to them. I'm not gonna say a word on this, I'm just gonna watch..and not read.
Honestly, that's just ridiculous...
Posted by: AltronHGX
Come on, why is everyone attacking eachother in this thread? Isn't this a huge example of thread derailing?
http://www.darkintellect.com/altron/h34rt.gif
ps: Cheers
Posted by: ZLRAC
I think both Laborat and Chaosisreality were right in what they posted. They each brought up good points.
Aside from the off-topic, general, or miscellaneous stuff, if anyone asked me about this site here is what I would have to tell them. If you are a member and you click on 'latest forum posts', you will undoubtedly see a thread about a problem that you will have a solution or suggestion for and you can post it. And if you have a question, you can post it and eventually get your solution. I think that even if there were 50% more off-topic, general, or miscellaneous stuff; this would still hold true.
The last company I worked for would have meetings all the time. Some of them were even meeting about meetings. Kind of reminds me of this... a thread about a threads.
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Posted by: ZLRAC
IceBreaker, this is just a guess, but if I were to try it, I would click on [url] in 'post a reply', then in the part where you put the text, do... [img]website for picture[/img].
/me reminds himself never to get in an arguement w/ Chaosisreality
[img]http://ymail.flamingtext.com/ymail/2004/05/30/flamingtext_com_1085897986_32558.gif[img]
Posted by: ZLRAC
oh, the part you can't see in the above post was [i m g]website for picture[/i m g] Of course you would do the 'img' w/ out the spaces.
Posted by: Bunmiadefisayo
Ok everyone, thats enough. We have agreed on a few basic things here and we should stick to that;
1) the "Redwench fan Club" thread was a waste of time ( not necessarily a stupid idea as Mr Chaos so kindly said above) I was tired and bored and OTS isn't a place you should post stuff when you are tired and bored.
2) Laborat DID hijack the thread since i apologized and that was supposed to be the end of that. But Michael Corleone wold agree with me about Laborat hijacking the thread, after all " i was out and they pull me back in."
3) Idiocy is not tolerated here, neither is very direct sarcasm. We can only have shades of the two but not the full blown thing
Finally, done bun cant be undone (Stephen king Insomnia, a great book). I have apologized and said that from now on i wont post useless stuff anymore. My siganture says it all.
Good Night
Posted by: RAcastClarke
Rock on, buddy.
I'm with ya.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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If all you do to hijack a thread is post "This thread is now about camels" to change the subject, wheereas the origional topic involves speakers, then you are correct in that would be blatant hijacking. Deviating from the topic just a tiny bit is not such a horrible thing, it leads to interesting and enlightening discussions. The problem being is that at some point, the topic strays so far from the original that someone (original poster or mods/admins) notice and delete the named posts, or lock the thread.
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We usually say "stay on topic please" before we do anything ... and usually it goes back ... but at times when it doesn't, then it gets closed. Were we wrong?
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Hey, you haven't even visited that forum yet, so you can't really knock it (but it would be great if you registered and posted, so go ahead )
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I have visited it, but I haven't registered ... having that and SOJPLZ to visit seemed redundant
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"...An active attempt to insult newcomers"? Of all the threads I've seen in atleast the timespan of a year, sarcasm/cynicism was nearly never aimed towards newcomers, but usually generically towards idiots. I don't mean people who are confused with their problem, but just plain stubborn and idiotic. In those cases, the end result seems to occasionally be that the named member that was at the recieving end of the sarcasm would either post a nice good bye thread, or do a "I'm so pissed off that I'm going to rant for a bit, and then request that I be removed from the memberlist/guides removed" post/thread. I can think of 2 cases off of the top of my head that fell under those two catagories, and both were seasoned veterans that either couldn't take the sarcasm, or got extremely angry that they were proven wrong and decided to take the cheap route out. If you can present a case where a fresh, clear from the water newbie came to OTS and on the first post was flamed/at the point of cynicism (and was not summarily deserving of it), I will retract this last paragraph with an apology, and sing a song about Canis being correct and right.
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Okay, say I find all "your" comments stupid and unrealized ... does that give me the go signal to insult you? Even when the rules expressly say NO FLAMING? You know, this whole trend on sarcasm is really pretty amusing at times... someone posts something, and you can almost guarantee that someone will be posting something sarcastic, regardless of whether it's a new member or not. Maybe that's normal to you, but it really annoys the hell out of me when I can't look at one topic in the Off Topic forum without the "peanut gallery" trying to diss off the poster by issuing those sarcastic remarks... if not flaming, it's flame-baiting. As that behavior normal nowadays? Maybe I'm more behind the times than I thought.
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hahaha, you defeated your own reasons for rebuttal ... so you think that anyone who deserves flaming NEEDS to be flamed and therefore is DESERVING of it? I guess your argument ends there, because the no flaming rule supercedes all your inane reasons as to why any person is worthy to be flamed, newbie or not.
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To some extent, yes it does. Using cynical/sarcastic remarks is a part of life and the flow of posting. If it weren't for the off-color remarks made in the General forum, the posts would either be "Hey, I'm planting flowers outside, why doesn't OTS help me pick them out?" type threads, or the common "Sup guys, I burned a copy of WIII: TFT off of (insert some junky sharing program here), who wants to buy a copy of it?" threads that are usually locked in a timely fashion.
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As opposed to the really thought-provoking topics in the other forums you visit? Stop justifying the behavior and admit that you 1.) like to flame 2.) like to be sarcastic and 3.) like to degrade people. It's easier that way, and your alibis won't looks so ridiculous. Maybe you do it for fun, or maybe you actually think it's normal, but stop justifying it as universally acceptable.
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I know this isn't SOJPLZ/86ed/GenMay, and I certainly do not wish to see OTS become those forums, but you need to understand that all of those forums are related. You could consider Rants and Raves a more controlled version of the Pit, General/Offtopic almost like General Mayhem (except for the sex, shens, and drama), as well as a few other comparisons that could easily be made (but whatever, I'm tired, and you're getting the drift of this.) I'm not saying to totally remove the rules here and let this forum become a big chaotic free-for-all, just that some of the instances in which you/Laborat are implying are incorrect. Try looking at things from "the peanut galleries" perspective at the different threads that were hijacked/derailed.
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Why don't you give us a perspective of the peanut gallery, since you seem enamored by them. All I see are the same people who post one-liners meant to incite aggressive behavior or insult other members while making themselves look good, maybe crack a joke at a member's expense. So please, give us an insight into the mind of the peanut galery and give me a justification for this behavior.
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By the way, stop using 86ed as one of your bashing examples, it really isn't that bad. Try posting there first.
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I don't think I bashed 86ed, or SOJPLZ, or any other forum. I'm telling you what topics are there. Am I wrong?
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Not against Laborat, but the whole "All who destroy the integrity of this site should be banned" idealism he's carrying on his shoulders. I won't go into it again, I'm sure that it's been completly responded to above.
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As someone mentioned before, those who take Laborat too seriously have worse problems than mere disagreement...
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There's a difference between running your mouth, and using sarcasm to make a point. Right now, I'm responding to you civil manner. Running my mouth would be in the form of a "OMG HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT YOU FASCIST **** *** ****, etc." type response, which is not typically the mode of communication your named "peanut gallery" uses.
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You have a narrow understanding of "running your mouth" but I'll forgive that. Using sarcasm to make a point can only go as far as the intention. There is a fine line between using sarcasm to state a point and using sarcasm to downright insult someone.
For example, me and you:
YOU: Hey, I wish Kerry would win.
ME: Yeah, and we all wish we have a million dollars, but that's too much to hope, is it?
YOU: Hey, I wish Kerry would win.
ME: Judging from what you look like, I hope that isn't the only thing you wished for...
See the difference? If you don't, then my apologies...
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That does not make the things he says correct.
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Where did I say he was wrong or correct? I'm stating that he knows what he's talking about, and it's not just a spew of words from someone who assumes to know something but actually doesn't. Whether it's right or wrong is irrelevant - it was an opinion.
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Oh look, would that be sarcasm used to make a point?
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Yeah, did I do it like the peanut gallery does? Am I 1337 enough?
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I'm not flaming or disrespecting you, but in my honest opinion, that has to by the most idiotic and un-thought out response you have come up with, to my knowledge. "Don't make waves for the good of the community"? If people had not ever spoken out or questioned authority, the United States would still be a colony under Great Britian, Germany would still be controlled by Hitler and the Nazi, and Russia would still be communistic. Try rephrasing your statement.
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Yeah, you remind me of those other members who waved the banner of freedom of speech because they thought it applies everywhere. Let's get this straight - you registered here by hitting "I Agree" to a set of rules. It is assumed that you read those rules, and will follow them. So if you happen to go against those rules, you get punished. Your complaints will be inconsquential since you turned back on your word to follow rules.
OTS is not the United States. It is not Great Britain. It is not Germany. If you think it is, then you need to rethink your reasons for joining forums on the Internet. If you think that you have a right to always question authority in any website you visit, then that would be the most ridiculous, idiotic thinking I've ever heard. You are here because you asked to be here, via registration and confirmation. Hence you follow the house rules. You don't go into a Chinese restaurant and demand a double cheeseburger just because you feel you have a right to it, because it's a free country, and customer is always right, and because there's freedom of speech, and because blah blah blah. Your own perception of what OTS is supposed to be is amusingly disjointed and melodramatic. Quite an opinion for one who has not been posting as much as when he did when he first registered (maybe coz of the decline in sarcastic topics, I dunno).
The people who have demanded that they be free to do what they want have all threatened me, through PM or email, that they'll leave coz the site does not cater to their "style" of posting. I don't get kneepads and ask them to stay. I tell them that, since they were free to register, they are also free to leave. And some of them did. I have no problems with that. You cannot please everybody, and I don't intend to.
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Wrong. No one cares about the "redwench fan club" thread, beacuse it was a stupid idea to begin with. This discussion stemmed from Laborat's response, and attributed to those ideas.
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No, this topic stemmed from things prior to that, and Laborat's post only intensified it. If you're gonna be on a campaign to keep track of every derailed post, every off topic post in every off topic topic, then you have more problems going on than just anxiety over mispelling, buddy.
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You want to look at it from the same things you said in an above post? Considering that this discussion is far from the origional post, it seems that Laborat hijacked the thread with his post.
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And I can say the same for you for making the focus of this discussion on me rather than Laborat ... but really, do we need to rape the details just to support a creaky little argument about which came first, the chicken or the egg?
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Try going to the Pit one day.
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Oh, is that supposed to be a 1337 place where people are hardcore and is the seat of attention deficiency? Sure, is it a place or a link?
Anyway, I can go on all week defending OTS and what not, but I won't... there will always be people who think they know how a site is supposed to be run. Maybe they do, maybe they don't ... but I encourage them to do what others have done and CREATE their own sites and make them grow, instead of engaging in circular rhetorics about how badly a site is run and how they think it should be run, and run better ... use the Suggestions/Feedback forum if you have some constructive criticism to share...
This is my last comment on this topic, as it is obviously being turned into another OTS management-bashing thread ... I'll leave it to the moderators if they wanna close it or not... Good day
Posted by: ZLRAC
OTS management is great, no need for bashing. At first I thought Laborat and Chaosisreality were both right. Now my favor swings toward Laborat and Canis. I think I need to repeat what I said before, 'a thread about threads.' Ridiculous, I'm going to have to make me another big alcoholic drink. I also think Chaosisreality should start his/her own forum since he/she knows everything about forums. Canis this is the second funniest sentence I've seen you post this month...
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Posted by: TheeMon
wow you guys really go outa control dont you? this thread used to be about a dude who wanted to say sorry :P
Posted by: uh...ok
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To some extent, yes it does. Using cynical/sarcastic remarks is a part of life and the flow of posting. If it weren't for the off-color remarks made in the General forum, the posts would either be "Hey, I'm planting flowers outside, why doesn't OTS help me pick them out?" type threads, or the common "Sup guys, I burned a copy of WIII: TFT off of (insert some junky sharing program here), who wants to buy a copy of it?" threads that are usually locked in a timely fashion.
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Believe it or not, there used to be a time when the General/Off-Topic forum used to be almost entirely composed of interesting and colorful threads WITHOUT any need for sarcasm, cynicism, or so-called "thread hi-jacking". Perhaps I didn't know better back then to see it when it occurred, but I'm guessing that many people will probably say the same thing.
There was never a need to reprimand so-called "idiots" in any way, shape or form, so it never happened. The forum, in my opinion, was much more pleasant to read and partake in, mostly due to the better atmosphere (read: less cynical and hostile towards fellow members) and more threads with substance.
Though that has long since changed (and I guess that's one of the reasons why I no longer read most of the threads in this particular forum anymore), and not many people were here to experience the time, it doesn't necessarily mean that the only way to keep this forum "colorful and interesting" these days is by using the "peanut gallery's" brand of sarcasm and cynicism. Though times have changed, it is only the result of a change in the attitudes of many members here - which is something that every one of us actually has control over.
Posted by: Spider
Damnit.
I completely missed this years unsuccessful coup d'état.
Ah well, someone give me a heads up next year.
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