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Paws & Claws
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Posted by: IceBreaker
Are you a "cat person" or a "dog person"? Vote & express your support for our four-footed friends! http://www.opentechsupport.net/foru...cons/icon20.gif
Posted by: Blackknight
I just love the overall friendlyness and size of dogs. Cats are only friendly to those who feed them.
Posted by: Cettie
I like both. We live out in the country and have 4 dogs, 12+ cats, chickens and guinea fowl. At some point we'll probably add sheep and cows to our menagerie.
Posted by: The-AoD
Both are coo' wif meh. heh
Posted by: IceBreaker
 Quote:
Originally posted by Cettie
I like both. We live out in the country and have 4 dogs, 12+ cats, chickens and guinea fowl. At some point we'll probably add sheep and cows to our menagerie.
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Wouldn't mind living in the countryside - the air, pollution-free (for now at least  )...
As for running a farm heh, why not...
but I'd never be able to dispatch any of the livestock - even though IMO killing for food is one of the only 2 reasons that makes killing an animal justifiable - the other being of course defence..
I voted "woof-woof" I like both cats & dogs (animals, generally speaking) but I don't have any special preference for cats, though I do prefer wildcats over their domestic brethren..
My olde favourite: the British Bulldog - alien to fear & a true warrior at heart 
Posted by: AK47
Irwin R. Schiester > The British Bulldog
Posted by: Bunmiadefisayo
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Originally posted by AK47
Irwin R. Schiester > The British Bulldog
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 isnt he dead?
Posted by: Gerbilo
LOL... yes... he is...
I like cats better BTW... Probably cause my cats are badass,... too many of them are retarded and prissy annoying little things... but you can ask AK... my cats rule 
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Voted "I like neither" since there was no "Other" option Had bad experiences with pets - one dog I had to put down with an air rifle coz it was on its way to rabid kingdom. I prolly won't ever go out and get a pet ever again, unless I happen to move in with someone who already has one...
Oh and yeah, dog meat tastes like chicken (no, it wasn't the same dog)
Posted by: TheeMon
wheres fish? i want fish, and mod if u do add it take 1 away from dogs and put in fish :P
i put dogs because i like dogs better then cats, but i like fish bestest
Posted by: C-Money
I voted "I've eaten cat meat - tastes like rabbit "
I don't know about cat, but rabbit stew is quite tasty... mmm...
Just be sure to spit out all those BB's. Hehe. 
Posted by: 9:35
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Originally posted by TheeMon
wheres fish? i want fish, and mod if u do add it take 1 away from dogs and put in fish :P
i put dogs because i like dogs better then cats, but i like fish bestest
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When I was in school, I learned that fish don't have paws or claws. What did you learn?
Posted by: Gerbilo
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Originally posted by 9:35
When I was in school, I learned that fish don't have paws or claws. What did you learn?
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I think it's best to never ask him that question
Posted by: compukeith
I voted Cats since my cat Molly is a bitch so some, but is always waiting for me to get home (screams if she can't find me also).
Odd that Canis doesn't really prefer dogs (or is it just me?)
Posted by: armystud0911
I voted both since I have had great experiances with cats and dogs. Our cats have always been very lovable because they are outdoor and really give us attention (within their bounds of dignity of course). Our dogs, well we had a Siberian Husky that was the most gentle, timid, lovable creature on earth, so naturally I had great experiances. I love pets!
Posted by: IceBreaker
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Originally posted by TheeMon
wheres fish? i want fish [...] i like fish bestest
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?!! Well do you prefer catfish or dogfish? http://forum.presence-pc.com/images/perso/666%20.gif
Posted by: Bunmiadefisayo
OMG Canis actually SHOT his own dog!!! Man how cool is that. We had an Alsatian once that i wished i coukld just shoot 'cause the bastard was such a...bastard Always biting folks and crapping all over the place, it was so disgusting.
Posted by: armystud0911
that is a kinda cruel remark, didn't you ever see Old Yeller? A friend of mine accidentally shot his own cat mistaking it for a squirrel (don't ask me how) but he was crushed. Its kinda hard not to laugh though and yet feel sad. Ooh another funny cat story, another friend of mine had a cat that got run over one winter (that part isn't funny) but since the ground was frozen and he was lazy, he put the cat in a plastic bag and threw it in the freezer, his whole family knew it was there and never did anything about it for over two years. Its not like he forgot it was in there or anything either cuz we always drilled him about it.
Posted by: redwench
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Originally posted by armystud0911
A friend of mine accidentally shot his own cat mistaking it for a squirrel (don't ask me how) but he was crushed.
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that would be someone that should own neither a pet nor a gun.
Posted by: armystud0911
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Originally posted by redwench
that would be someone that should own neither a pet nor a gun.
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At the time no, he was 7
Posted by: IceBreaker
Quote:
Originally posted by armystud0911
At the time no, he was 7
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In that case what Redwench said applies to the parents
Posted by: Oldcrocd
Dunno I love the forums, I nearly chocked with laughter with Icebreakere and his fish....
I come on line at odd times and if I need cheering up I know I will get a good laugh scanning through the latest write ups. Thanks guys.
Posted by: Bix VT
I like cats: they tend to have more dignity.
Posted by: IceBreaker
Dog - man's best friend http://fileforums.com/images/smilies/cool.gif
Posted by: Bix VT
Loyal? Yes. But are they civilized? No. They drool and they stink. They crap all over your lawn and they bark. They make annoying noise when they walk.
Just a few of my reasons for owning a cat.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Women who have cats as pets are high maintenance... women who have dogs as pets are... well... good luck getting booty calls on some of them...
Posted by: Bix VT
...are you suggesting zoophiles?
Posted by: Gerbilo
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Originally posted by Canis Lupus
Women who have cats as pets are high maintenance... women who have dogs as pets are... well... good luck getting booty calls on some of them...
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I'm really wondering how many beer commercials have been made about a woman and her pet... I swear i've seen tons....
Posted by: INeedHelp
dogs, i have a 3 month old german shepherd and a 4 month old collie
Posted by: redwench
Quote:
Originally posted by Canis Lupus
Women who have cats as pets are high maintenance
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indeed?
Posted by: IceBreaker
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Originally posted by Bix VT
They drool and they stink. They crap all over your lawn and they bark. They make annoying noise when they walk.
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- Er...dogs usually love water - cats HATE it & lick themselves!!! Now I doubt you do the same (you'd have to be quite flexible anyways ) so IMNSHO dogs are a tad cleaner..
- Dogs can easily be trained to relieve themselves where it is appropriate - it only depends on the master. Cats on the other hand do as they please.
- Ever heard a cat - or worse, a cat chorus - meow during the middle of the night (more than simple meowing actually) ? Especially cats in heat?? Enough to make anyone loose their mind if you ask me..
Just a few of my reasons for owning a dog instead
Posted by: Gerbilo
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Originally posted by IceBreaker
IMNSHO dogs are a tad cleaner..
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anyone who has a cat can tell you that they are freakishly clean....
Posted by: SpecOpsHoov
I voted for both.
I've got an English Springer Spaniel who I swear is the dumbest dog I've ever seen next to my girlfriend's. He trots crooked, and is just plain retarded, which is why we love him so much.
My girlfriend's got a Shitzu with a messed up jaw, so some of it's teeth are constantly sticking out. That dog will get you out of a bad mood quick - the thing looks like a retarded Ewok.
Other than that, some cats can be cool but they seem like they're higher maintenance than a dog at times.
Posted by: armystud0911
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Originally posted by Canis Lupus
Women who have cats as pets are high maintenance
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I beg to differ there, I know a lot girls who are anything but high maintenence who have cats.
BTW Paris Hilton- prolly the most high maintenence girl ever has a dog.
Posted by: armystud0911
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Originally posted by IceBreaker
- Er...dogs usually love water - cats HATE it & lick themselves!!! Now I doubt you do the same (you'd have to be quite flexible anyways ) so IMNSHO dogs are a tad cleaner..
- Dogs can easily be trained to relieve themselves where it is appropriate - it only depends on the master. Cats on the other hand do as they please.
- Ever heard a cat - or worse, a cat chorus - meow during the middle of the night (more than simple meowing actually) ? Especially cats in heat?? Enough to make anyone loose their mind if you ask me..
Just a few of my reasons for owning a dog instead
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My roommate has 13 cats and still says that ONE little dog is more annoying and he even likes dogs.
Posted by: IceBreaker
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Originally posted by armystud0911
I beg to differ there, I know a lot girls who are anything but high maintenence who have cats.
BTW Paris Hilton- prolly the most high maintenence girl ever has a dog.
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On the other hand, I have known a couple of girls who had (or whose parents had) dogs - this didn't make the girl "inaccessible" in any way - in fact when the master trusts her dog's instinct and when the dog & I get along, then the dog actually makes things easier for me!
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Originally posted by Gerbilo
anyone who has a cat can tell you that they are freakishly clean....
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Yes - the enzymes in the cat's saliva can mask the cat's stench - to a point
Posted by: Fury451
dawgs rule !
hey aint it possible to add a 'i prefer hotdogs' option ?  maybe i should start a fastfood poll or sometin
Posted by: TheeMon
no dont!
fyi i just got a babie dalmation, to replace the one i lost last year...
i dont really want another dog, but shes soo cute
Posted by: Radiator
I don't really like dogs. at least cats don't lick you, "push" you and you won't have to walk it every day a million times. or three times...
Posted by: Bix VT
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Originally posted by IceBreaker
- Er...dogs usually love water - cats HATE it & lick themselves!!! Now I doubt you do the same (you'd have to be quite flexible anyways ) so IMNSHO dogs are a tad cleaner..
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I have met countless cats and don't remember one of them stinking...dogs however, I'm very surprised when I meet one that doesn't stink: it's a rare thing. Cats clean themselves quite often. How often do dogs go swimming? 5 times per day? I don't think so...and my cat cleans herself quite a bit more than 5 times per day...
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Originally posted by IceBreaker
- Dogs can easily be trained to relieve themselves where it is appropriate - it only depends on the master. Cats on the other hand do as they please.
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I don't know what kinds of cats you meet over there in France, but here in the good ol' USA, we train our cats to go in a small box located somewhere secluded. I have honestly never met a domesticated cat that didn't use a "cat box". Last time I checked, dogs tend to go on my lawn, my neighbors lawns, and generally wherever they feel like it. My cat even gets annoyed when she's walked in on when doing her "business". A human trait, no?
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Originally posted by IceBreaker
- Ever heard a cat - or worse, a cat chorus - meow during the middle of the night (more than simple meowing actually) ? Especially cats in heat?? Enough to make anyone loose their mind if you ask me..
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Yes I have. It's very annoying. However, I think a dog barking in the middle of the night is even more annoying.
Just a few of my reasons for owning a cat...
Posted by: redwench
cat in heat: 2 days once or twice a year
dogs barking: 365 days a year
guess who wins?
Posted by: SpecOpsHoov
Dogs who aren't trained go wherever they please and bark whenever they want.
When my dog needs to use the bathroom, he barks and whimpers to let us know. We let him out, he goes straight to the woods in the backyard, does his thing and then everyone's happy because there's nothing to clean up.
When he barks, all it takes is a little bit of discipline to make him stop.
I agree that cats are cleaner, but from what I've seen that appears to apply mainly to domestic ones. My neighbor's cats are always outside, always in the woods, and who knows what they may bring in to the house after a long day of rolling around in the brush.
Posted by: Bix VT
My grandparents have 7 cats, all of which spend at least 8 hours outside. None of them smell, but they do tend to get nasty clumps of hair that you have to cut off of them...but then even dogs who stay inside all the time (except to go to the bathroom) still smell bad about 50% of the time. And there are few things that smell worse than a wet dog...
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Originally posted by redwench
cat in heat: 2 days once or twice a year
dogs barking: 365 days a year
guess who wins?
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Thank you. Thank you. *bows*
Posted by: IceBreaker
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Originally posted by Bix VT
I don't know what kinds of cats you meet over there in France, but here in the good ol' USA, we train our cats to go in a small box located somewhere secluded. I have honestly never met a domesticated cat that didn't use a "cat box". Last time I checked, dogs tend to go on my lawn, my neighbors lawns, and generally wherever they feel like it.
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Well now I know what kind of dogs you can meet where you live - "last time I checked", as you say, dogs can easily be trained, and their being obedient only helps to that end..
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Originally posted by Bix VT
Cats clean themselves quite often. How often do dogs go swimming? 5 times per day? I don't think so...and my cat cleans herself quite a bit more than 5 times per day...
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Yes, but HOW do cats “clean” themselves? They LICK themselves remember? I don’t know about you, but I favour “good ol’ “ water (...)
Cats HATE WATER – need I say more?
And cats do need a bath on a regular basis – trust me on this one..
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Originally posted by Bix VT
However, I think a dog barking in the middle of the night is even more annoying.
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Um...the problem is that unlike dogs, cats simply DON'T STOP - once they start their racket they can keep this up the whole night!  http://forum.presence-pc.com/images/mad.gif
And Redwench>
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Originally posted by Redwench
cat in heat: 2 days once or twice a year
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?!!http://forum.hardware.fr/images/perso/rofl.gif
er…we’re talking about domestic cats here, not wildcats, remember?
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Originally posted by Bix VT
My cat even gets annoyed when she's walked in on when doing her "business". A human trait, no?
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Yes – and cats get annoyed for the slightest reason, and won’t hesitate to claw you – also a human trait perhaps?
btw. not all human traits are positive
Posted by: fl_techboy
What no ferrets?
Posted by: IceBreaker
No - but thx for the dog vote http://www.fintoys.net/yabb/yabbima...es/thumbsup.gif
Posted by: redwench
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yes, what planet do the cats in frace come from? over here, they go into heat around late feb, and if they dont become pregnant or lose the litter, again in april. about 2 days each time.
now, if youre refering to indoor cats, only breeders of pedigreed cats should even be allowing them to go into heat. and there arent a whole lot of those around.
Posted by: IceBreaker
Quote:
Originally posted by redwench
yes, what planet do the cats in frace come from?
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The Solar System, 3rd planet...wait a minute, that's Earth
All I can tell you is, male cats ('tomcats' as som call them?) certainly don't have a fixed yearly schedule when it comes to wailing through the night with their cacophony of catcalls.
Also, female cats can stay in heat for up to 2 or 3 weeks, not 2 or 3 days as you stated http://forum.hardware.fr/images/nono.gif
Posted by: Bix VT
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Originally posted by IceBreaker
All I can tell you is...
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http://forum.presence-pc.com/images/perso/666%20.gif
Maybe you should just stop there...
Posted by: IceBreaker
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But of course! After you m8!!
Posted by: Oldcrocd
Yes, but HOW do cats “clean” themselves? They LICK themselves remember? I don’t know about you, but I favour “good ol’ “ water (...)
Cats HATE WATER – need I say more?
And cats do need a bath on a regular basis – trust me on this one..
Wrong sir, cats I have owned, and present one love water. Put a fish pond in and watch them go in. My present one comes in the shower with me(Maybe cos shes a female) Regularly goes in the sink drinking out of the flowing water from the tap and paddles in the sink. The bird bath is also a magnet for her. She drinks about half a tumbler of water a day over about three sessions. When she comes in from rain, which she loves she will wash or after a shower.
Watch a Tiger or lion swimming in water they do not hate it. I don't know where you got this quaint untruth that tcats hate water, the don't they love it, and all cats drink it.
Posted by: IceBreaker
Yessir, wildcats love water, this I pointed out earlier in the thread - we're talking about domestic cats here
Of course, all mammals need to drink water to survive - but when it comes to cats, the mouth is probably the only outer part of their body where water is tolerated
If your cat truly likes to take even an occasional dip, that would be the first time I ever heard of such a thing - on the other hand you even get dogs that don't like water (though not to the point of fearing it like most cats do), I guess every rule has its exceptions...
I remember as kids we used to tease the cats with our water pistols - watching them run like hell after getting squirted...
...good times http://forum.hardware.fr/images/ange.gif
Posted by: Gerbilo
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Originally posted by fl_techboy
What no ferrets?
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They are just pointy kitties
Posted by: Bix VT
I beg to differ Jim...they are far more mischevious.
Posted by: TheeMon
ferrets are just poo flinging kitties
Posted by: Bix VT
Not to mention they smell a LOT worse...man, my ex gf had one and it stunk something FIERCE! Very funny animal though. It died 
Posted by: redwench
er.....those arent the toms you hear calling sweetie.
Posted by: IceBreaker
I take back what I said earlier - cats can also be easily trained; all it takes is patience and affection...
...along with the proper equipment:
http://www.echois.com/downloadables.../tabby_tote.jpg
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Posted by: Bix VT
Not cool man. We're trying to have a friendly argument and you have to bring animal cruelty into it. You don't see any of us suggesting the only way to get a dog to stop barking is to shoot it.
Big loss of respect on this one.
Posted by: IceBreaker
?!! this was supposed to be a funny pic - man, some reactions can be...illogical at times...
...don't see what's "unfriendly" or "cruel" about it all the more so than this device doesn't exist anyways & the pic is a fake, in case you thought otherwise ts ts
Posted by: Gerbilo
lol, weird invention right there... i wonder if they have an extra heavy duty one for my cats lol.
Posted by: Bix VT
I know it's a fake but it's still animal cruelty.
Like I said, I didn't say anything like "the only good dog is a dead dog" mostly because it's not true. That ad was a bit extreme.
Posted by: IceBreaker
Ahem! Take a good look at the (fake) ad: the thing is not supposed to kill the cat - it's only a means of transport
Besides IF you were right, IF this pic was "extreme", other members would surely have said the same and the mods or admins would have promptly removed the pic/post, which they didn't
I find this "ad" quite funny IMO, and apparently so do other members, and no one else has decried it so far - however, you & everyone else are free to post all the black humour pics you want as long as it's fictitious
Posted by: Bix VT
Perhaps it would not be so funny had I suggested ramming a spear up your rear end...
Posted by: armystud0911
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Originally quoted by GERBILLO!
anyone who has cats can tell you that they are freakishly clean
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Quote:
Originally posted by IceBreaker
Yes - the enzymes in the cat's saliva can mask the cat's stench - to a point
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Hey Ice, I'd appreciate it if you kept MY quotes and gerbillos apart dude 
Posted by: IceBreaker
Bix> no (if they made such devices for humans)...
...but that would have been offtopic anyways (...)
Damn, now should I remove the pic before any other members complain about it too.. 
Armystud> ???? Whoops... but who did I misquote??? *confused* 
EDIT: OK it was Gerbilo's quote that I mistook for one of yours - sorry m8 (post edited)
Posted by: Oldcrocd
Hey Ice, Over this side of the pond we only have wild cats in Scotland and they are very very rare. I AM TALKING ABOUT DOMESTIC CATS. Mind you I am only talking in my experience, that is 58 years, so not long by many standards. I had my first cat when aged 5. All of them loved water. Just ask anyone who has a fish pond what problems they have with cats and why they place netting over the pond! Mind you over your side of the pond you do have a lot of funny thing hehe (Bush)!
Posted by: Fury451
yeah ice remove the pic i mean , its like , wrong u know
JUS KIDDING man keep it lol i'll copy it on my hard drive
hey but were going offtopic here
ok about dogs n cats
i think cats can be trained jus like any other animal
ok maybe its harder cos they dont obey like dogs and aint as smart but u gotta use the same method : reward 'em with FOOD it always works
how d'you think they train all these animals (dogs cats mice birds ...) in the movies ?
Posted by: Bix VT
They're smarter than dogs: they know how to get fed and pampered without doing all of the work.
Posted by: Gerbilo
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Originally posted by armystud0911
Hey Ice, I'd appreciate it if you kept MY quotes and gerbillos apart dude
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And i'd appreciate it if you spelled my name properly!
Posted by: IceBreaker
If a cat can fend for himself, this is due to INSTINCT only - otherwise, what you're saying would imply that cats, rats & even insects are smarter than, say, 6 year-old kids!!!
1) Imagine a situation where the master gets a heart-attack (or anything else that causes him to fall unconscious). There are 2 possibilities:
- If the master owns a dog, the latter will seek outside help (yes this HAS happened, on countless occasions ) The dog usually distrusts strangers, but in this specific situation it KNOWS that outside help is the only thing that can save its master
- if the master owns a cat, the cat will either do nothing, or EAT the master (instincts take over - sorry m8)
2) Can you give me an example of a housecat saving a human life (master or other) ??
My parents used to own a dog - a she-dog of unusual strength btw (perhaps because she was half-wolf and because of the way she was looked after - no commercial dogfood, everything was prepared by hand - and the dog lived to the ripe old age of 18, a feat for a relatively large dog).
Now she had her own kennel - which had a door with a lock, the key was always left in the lock and when she was out my parents would lock the door (& leave the key in). Now you may not believe this, but she learnt...to turn the key & open the door - without ANY training - she caught on merely by WATCHING my parents turn the key & pull the door open!!! Get it? She learnt by mere OBSERVATION!!!!!! No instinct; no training...a uncanningly human trait, don't you think?
Now do you really think a cat could achieve anything even remotely similar to what I just related?
Posted by: redwench
yup. i had a cat that used to open any door in the house that had a lever knob. drove me nuts.
Posted by: IceBreaker
Indeed - this IS remotely similar..
Posted by: Bix VT
I have actually had a cat save the life of one of my close reletives: my grandfather had a stroke and his cat opened the door by himself (it was barely ajar, the cat didn't turn the nob) and went to his next door neighbor and brought him over.
there's your cat story. I will concede however, that a dog is at least 10 times more likely to rescue someone. Although size is a factor...
Posted by: IceBreaker
"Size is a factor"...don't be so sure about that - heroic dog deeds are not peculiar to the german shepherd or the St Bernard only (except on-screen). Even the little westie or yorkshire is known to have saved lives on more than one occasion. Of course, small dogs do have a louder bark, thus can easily attract attention
But as for the cat, how exactly did it "bring the neighbour over" - are you sure it was not the cat's mere presence that caught the neighbour's attention? Are you sure the cat really sought help and tried to alarm the neighbour specifically?
Posted by: Bix VT
I'm pretty sure...this neighbor and this cat had a good relationship. He spent about as much time at this neighbor's house as he did at my grandfather's.
Posted by: IceBreaker
Heh, I can't imagine a cat "calling for help" - if that is true, I guess he must have followed the neighbour/stood in front of the window & kept meowing AT the guy till (and ONLY till) the latter showed up?
If so, not only is that cat an exception, but a hero as well - hope his owner rewarded him with a nice big fish..
Oldcrocd>
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Originally posted by Oldcrocd
Mind you over your side of the pond you do have a lot of funny thing hehe (Bush)!
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Negative, I don't live in the US, so no such critters over here, thank goodness for that - on the other hand, our own (conservative) leaders aren't much better
Posted by: Bix VT
Unfortunately the dog my grandfather's other neighbors owned dug under the fence and attacted the cat, breaking his neck and paralizing him about 2 weeks after he had saved my grandfather.
Posted by: IceBreaker
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Posted by: Bix VT
I swear to you I speak the truth. I know most dogs are not like that, this perticular dog had to be put down do to it's violent nature (it was a Rottweiler, btw)
Posted by: IceBreaker
IMO either it was rabid, or it was raised to be like that - who knows what its master put it through - even humans can be "brainwashed", don't forget..
Posted by: Bix VT
Honestly I think they said it had something to do with a brain disease...it wasn't always like that, it used to be able to play with it's owner's 5 year old daughter just fine.
Posted by: redwench
rabid? good lord, incidents of rabies are extraordinarily rare.
Posted by: IceBreaker
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Originally posted by Bix VT
Honestly I think they said it had something to do with a brain disease...it wasn't always like that, it used to be able to play with it's owner's 5 year old daughter just fine.
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The rabies virus does affect the brain, plus it has an insidiously long incubation period and is also one of the very rare virii that can affect just about any type of mammal (from chipmunk to man). I guess there are other pet diseases that also affect behaviour (for dogs, canine parvovirus perhaps http://www.opentechsupport.net/foru...icons/icon5.gif)
Posted by: Fury451
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Originally posted by Bix VT
I swear to you I speak the truth. I know most dogs are not like that, this perticular dog had to be put down do to it's violent nature (it was a Rottweiler, btw)
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rottweilers n pittbulls i know that a lot of people like 2 buy them jus to train them to fight and they beat them till the dawg goes crazy man this sorta thing pisses me off like , sometimes the owner can be a real sonofa##### they oughta throw them in jail and beat em till you couldnt tell em from a dead coyote
Posted by: Muggle_Man
Hey man!!! i'm an animal person!!! I don't discriminate!!!
......I voted both,even though I have a Ferret too, and have never had a dog, just cats...
Posted by: Bix VT
Ferrets are funny little critters...a lot of people dislike them and I don't understand why...
Posted by: redwench
they reek?
Posted by: Bix VT
Odors can be masked...
Besides, the benefits most certainly outweigh the aroma.
Posted by: IceBreaker
Ferrets are a VERY valuable asset in rabbit-hunting: they are simply introduced into a rabbit's hole to drive it out - rabbits fear them to death and will leave their holes & scamper away at the first sight of them - all the hunter has to do is then pick them off with his rifle and voila, rabbit stew. Feel sorry for them but then again if the rabbit is eaten I guess there is no wrong in that..
Posted by: covenantazkiker
i voted dogs-or paws if you prefer. ironic may it seems but i also happen to have eaten a dog meat some forgotten years ago and it sure does taste good! not sure taste like chicken though cause the meat is much denser. not sure if its adobo or asuzena!
cat meat? hmm.. i dont think so! (though there's some "urban cooking legend" that street-peddled siopao sometimes have it as an alternative ingredient!)-MEOW!!
Posted by: Oldcrocd
Must agree had dog and pretty good cooked Malay style, certainly not like chicken though. Cat well yes in Hong Kong, New Territories had that and its just like rabbit, still very tasty. But I still like cats walking about on all fours best.
Posted by: Spider
I prefer cats to dogs. You have to earn a cat's affection. A dog is stupid enough to love anyone, feed them or pet them and they like you. With cats it's a bit more complex than that.
Posted by: Bix VT
Thank you spider, another great point!
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Originally posted by Spider
You have to earn a cat's affection. A dog is stupid enough to love anyone, feed them or pet them and they like you. With cats it's a bit more complex than that.
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I challenge anyone on this forum to put it better.
Posted by: TheeMon
a dog can protect you, whats a cat gonna do? (a norml cat not a freaking super ninja cat)
Posted by: Bix VT
cat + gun = better than dog. dog + gun = dog attacks thief and you shoot dog by mistake.
doh
Posted by: IceBreaker
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Originally posted by Spider
I prefer cats to dogs. You have to earn a cat's affection. A dog is stupid enough to love anyone, feed them or pet them and they like you. With cats it's a bit more complex than that.
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No, with cats it's actually FAR simpler - you CANNOT earn its affection, in fact this notion appears alien to cats (domestic ones at least). Hell, sometimes they don't even seem to tell the difference between their masters and total strangers! 
And yes, don't count on them for help in case you're in danger; a dog - even a cat-sized dog - will risk his life to save his master's. I challenge anyone to cite a similar example where a cat was involved instead
Posted by: redwench
and what is so great about a pet being stupid? and no, humans are not cats' masters. we are simply comfort providers.
and mine are quite affectionate, even after theyve been fed.
Posted by: IceBreaker
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and what is so great about a pet being stupid?
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You mean, the cat? Bah, nothing great - just funny - funny enough to keep them as pets too, come to think of it
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and no, humans are not cats' masters. we are simply comfort providers.
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Seen in this light, of course - even fish & snakes make great pets (...)
Posted by: redwench
some people think so.
Posted by: IceBreaker
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Originally posted by redwench
some people think so.
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Oh, but so do I - my point was, there are pets...and pets
Posted by: Bix VT
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Originally posted by IceBreaker
there are pets...and pets
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Wow. I must applaud you for your most excellent argument. That has got to be, by far, the most deep and mentally stimulating argument I have ever seen. http://www.computerpannen.com/cwm/cwm/3dlil/nonono2.gif
Seriously though, you asked to have an instance sited where the cat saved his owner's life...I've given you one. So stop using that argument.
Dogs: great if you plan on almost dying every day. Cats: great if you want to have to earn your pets affection instead of it just being given to you.
It's the same principle as, say, getting a PC. Dogs are like Dells: simple to maintain. Cats are like the system that you build yourself: harder to maintain but more rewarding.
IMO
Posted by: IceBreaker
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Glad you understood it (for you did, right? )
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Seriously though, you asked to have an instance sited where the cat saved his owner's life...I've given you one. So stop using that argument.
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Yes, one instance (and even then, you weren't sure if the cat really meant to alert the neighbour specifically, or just meowed before the window) - amongst dogs, such cases are commonplace
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Dogs: great if you plan on almost dying every day.
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http://forum.hardware.fr/images/hum.gif um...how exactly? Dogs save lives - are you sure you're not mixing up dogs & cats?
If I were, say, a burglar - I'd prefer, when breaking into a house, to come face to face with a cat rather than a dog (even a small one such as, say, a york - these little fellows can make quite a lot of noise when aroused & alarmed hehe..)
And in the same way, wouldn't you prefer to have a dog - even a small one - by your side in such a situation?
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Cats: great if you want to have to earn your pets affection instead of it just being given to you. [...] cats are [...] more rewarding
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Like I said before, there is no "affection" (in the sense, 'friendship') to be expected from a housecat - a perfect stranger will get just as much attention from a cat as his owner, no matter how much the latter pampers him
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It's the same principle as, say, getting a PC. Dogs are like Dells: simple to maintain. Cats are like the system that you build yourself: harder to maintain
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Really? Dogs require FAR more attention & are, IMOO, a tad harder to maintain, for unlike their brethren the wolves, and unlike cats, they are unable to hunt, and depend entirely on their masters for their subsistence - on the other hand, you know very well that cats can fend for themselves, which is why their owners let them out, on their own, the entire day...
Cats, like fish etc... are the ideal pets for people who are too busy (students, working class...) to spend the time it takes to attend to a pet such as the dog.
Posted by: Oldcrocd
And yes, don't count on them for help in case you're in danger; a dog - even a cat-sized dog - will risk his life to save his master's. I challenge anyone to cite a similar example where a cat was involved instead [/B][/QUOTE]Ice, sorry but yes I can sort of quote an example..
When I lived in Australia (about 10 years) in a country district I had a tom cat, bit arrogant who used to sit out the front, a neighbour two houses away had an Alsation. Well one day the dog got out and came bounding along the road into my yard, not particularly at me (I would not have hesitated to shoot it) but more at the cat barking and such and then went in with the mouth to get hold of the cat, who hadn't moved until this point. When the cat did move he latched onto the muzzle of the dog claws extended and biting. The barking changed to whining and as the dog pulled away with blood streaming down his muzzle and part of his nose missing. The cat in quiet repose resumed the previous position apparently unconcerned by the whole incident.
So this does sort of fit your need for an example.
Following on from Redwench, it is the cat who gives affection and is dominant from the outset, they will pick who they will befriend or not. We might think we 'own' them but with the few that have been abandoned and taken up residence with me, they actually pick you!
Posted by: Oldcrocd
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Originally posted by IceBreaker
Cats, like fish etc... are the ideal pets for people who are too busy (students, working class...) to spend the time it takes to attend to a pet such as the dog. [/B]
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Ice, please explain 'working class' I thought I read many moons ago that you worked for a living [therefore working class]- is that what you mean by 'working class' or is a just a derogatory remark at blue collar workers?
Posted by: armystud0911
I have never seen cats like ours before, but I'd have to say that ours really do like just about anyone, as a matter of fact they are more people loving than many dogs I have seen. I do agree that for the most part, there is no question at all which animal is more loyal but I have an interesting case.
Posted by: redwench
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Originally posted by IceBreaker
a perfect stranger will get just as much attention from a cat as his owner, no matter how much the latter pampers him
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now that is simply incorrect for the most part. most cats will have nothing to do with strangers, they glare balefully at them. unless that is the attention to which you were referring?
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Really? Dogs require FAR more attention & are, IMOO, a tad harder to maintain, for unlike their brethren the wolves, and unlike cats, they are unable to hunt, and depend entirely on their masters for their subsistence - on the other hand, you know very well that cats can fend for themselves, which is why their owners let them out, on their own, the entire day...
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i see. so your idea of a great pet is one that is enslaved and cannot take care of itself? at least i know that a cat associates with me because it chooses to.
Posted by: IceBreaker
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Originally posted by Oldcrocd
Ice, please explain 'working class' I thought I read many moons ago that you worked for a living [therefore working class]- is that what you mean by 'working class' or is a just a derogatory remark at blue collar workers?
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Er, I simply meant "those who work", you know, have a job - work, get paid in return,... Salesmen, Junior executives, CEOs, quantum physicists, blue/white/pink (is there such a thing? ) collar, etc...
btw I'm still a student..
What made you think it was "derogatory"?? http://forum.hardware.fr/images/hum.gif
And to get back ontopic, the "example" you cited is merely that of a cat acting in self-defence (...)
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now that is simply incorrect for the most part. most cats will have nothing to do with strangers, they glare balefully at them. unless that is the attention to which you were referring?
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WRONG dear - a friend of mine - a college classmate - owns a cat, a she-cat - calls it Ocean and treats it like it were his only kid, heh - and he also prefers cats to dogs. I can tell you one thing, I haven't seen any difference between the cat's attitude towards its owner & towards strangers. It will just as likely cast an evil, "baleful" look at you as it will at its owner when it's in a bad mood (or for some other more unfathomable reason). Or it will rub against your leg, or against it owner's, or against the couch or whatever is at reach, when it feels like it. And yes, it has already scratched its owner (only twice, though), but the latter doesn't seem to mind, though it does hurt & burn terribly, from what he said
Of course, this is but one example. AFAIK cats will treat their owners & strangers in the same way - either look down on them if they feel sulky, or show some degree of affection if they feel like it..
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i see. so your idea of a great pet is one that is enslaved and cannot take care of itself? at least i know that a cat associates with me because it chooses to.
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*damnit, you're making me quote myself* No, I said:
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Really? Dogs require FAR more attention & are, IMOO, a tad harder to maintain, for unlike their brethren the wolves, and unlike cats, they are unable to hunt, and depend entirely on their masters for their subsistence - on the other hand, you know very well that cats can fend for themselves, which is why their owners let them out, on their own, the entire day...
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Where does "slavery" come into play? I merely pointed out that dogs are much harder to mainain than cats, unlike what Bix stated.
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Following on from Redwench, it is the cat who gives affection and is dominant from the outset, they will pick who they will befriend or not. We might think we 'own' them but with the few that have been abandoned and taken up residence with me, they actually pick you!
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Here here - now who's the owner & who's the pet? http://www.fintoys.net/yabb/yabbimages/smilies/grin.gif
And following on from...myself, it is my opinion that a housecat is NOBODY's friend, not even his owner's (or should I say "host"?), no matter how well he's treated & how much care & attention the owner lavishes upon him. It may show affection & "befriend" you, yet it is not your friend http://www.fintoys.net/yabb/yabbima...ilies/wink2.gif
But you are right - we may think that we own them, but we don't - the upshot of this is that we can tame them, but we can't domesticate them..
Posted by: Spider
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Originally posted by IceBreaker
Like I said before, there is no "affection" (in the sense, 'friendship') to be expected from a housecat - a perfect stranger will get just as much attention from a cat as his owner, no matter how much the latter pampers him
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You either have 1) never owned a cat or 2) never earned ones love and affection. You can argue this as much as you want. But it won't matter, because it's not provable on either of our parts. I, however, find your statement biased, unknowledgable and perhaps stupid. This is my opinion and no amount of retorts will change it.
Dogs are great, yes. I love animals of all kinds. Even if they are scavengers who eat their own feces
But the fact of the matter is, there is no better between the two.
You argue that a dog can save your life. Sure why not, it's great to have a life to throw infront of your own. But if I had a dog, I wouldn't want him to do that. I'd rather he sat curled up on the bed while I get out my .44 Taurus or some similar hand-cannon.
In my experience dogs give their love freely and without question to anyone willing to give them attention. With the cat I own and have had in the past it's harder than that. Sure they like anyone who is willing to feed them. Just like every mammal on the planet, even humans. That doesn't mean they love you for it. Affection is given in turn with how much you give. If you have a cat that's just there as a token pet, just for a pet, your cat isn't going to care about you anymore than your friends who come over. Like you said.
Anyway, this is turning into an essay, I'm going to go practice my drums.
I look forward to reading your ever unchanging retort.
Posted by: IceBreaker
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This is my opinion and no amount of retorts will change it.
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I look forward to reading your ever unchanging retort.
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Here here - look who's talking..
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Sure why not, it's great to have a life to throw infront of your own. But if I had a dog, I wouldn't want him to do that. I'd rather he sat curled up on the bed while I get out my .44 Taurus or some similar hand-cannon.
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Um...just because some pets can and will save your life doesn't mean their foremost purpose is to be used as soldiers - where did I claim that? We're talking about household pets here remember?
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In my experience dogs give their love freely and without question to anyone willing to give them attention.
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Find the contradiction - spider got entangled in its own web, more like http://forum.presence-pc.com/images...20le%20loup.gif
Posted by: Oldcrocd
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Originally posted by IceBreaker
Er, I simply meant "those who work", you know, have a job - work, get paid in return,... Salesmen, Junior executives, CEOs, quantum physicists, blue/white/pink (is there such a thing? ) collar, etc...
btw I'm still a student..
What made you think it was "derogatory"?? [img]
Would 25 years lecturing to students at eight universities count?
It is not for me to teach you what is in my mind or what single author to read, it is for me to make you use your brain and reach your own conclusions, hence before attaining your degree(s) you are required to write a thesis or dissertation and sometimes both. I am just very glad that I found this site for I have learnt that some of the brighter students who can think, frequent these forums.
When you see different sudents from fresher to end product it is gratifying to now again find a few who will question what is said. When I seem to have trouble keeping a group awake (I should say here, when I used to as I don't anymore) I place before them the biggest load of rubbish I can think off and see what happens.
I am known for controversy and making statements that invokes arguement of principal and accepted doctrine, this way students can not only latch onto my knowledge but gain and expand on their own from original thought and their own research.
But you are right - we may think that we own them, but we don't - the upshot of this is that we can tame them, but we can't domesticate them..
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Just slightly incorrect I would say 'We can domesticate them but we cannot tame them' [Think you will probably agree that one!]
Posted by: IceBreaker
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Just slightly incorrect I would say 'We can domesticate them but we cannot tame them' [Think you will probably agree that one!]
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No no, I meant "can tame, cannot domesticate"
(domesticated => tame, the opposite is false)
Posted by: Muggle_Man
Wenchy, only the male Ferrets smell really badly...your feeling kind of egative today aren't u...
Posted by: redwench
NEVAR!!!!!!!
and i see nothing wrong with spidars statement
Posted by: Fury451
ferrets rule!
but can they b trained ?
Posted by: Muggle_Man
Yes Fury, they can be trained. They can be litter trained, they have to be trained not to bite and scream, they can learn a couple of tricks, but they're kinda like cats, so sometimes they refuse to learn tricks, and then bite you for even thinking of the idea.
Posted by: Oldcrocd
Excuse me for butting in on ferrets. My nephew is a Warrenner, if you know what that is, otherwise for the ignorant, he catches vermin, namely and mainly rabbits.
Before that he was a game keeper. Now this man and his father use ferrets extensively in their work. Yes they can be trained a lot more than any cat. They are trained from an early age by reward for going down rabbit holes and other vermin and chasing them out or bringing them out. Yes they do have leads on them but this is mainly because they might eat the quarry and curl up and have a snooze, remember these are working animals and have to earn their keep.
Just thought you might like to know a little about ferrets!
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