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FF7 vs FF8
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Posted by: quiksilver87
is FF8 better than FF7?? I loved FF7!! but didnt play FF8
Posted by: Daniel
It's diffrent, i'm not sure about better tho. I had better graphics, and I prefered the story/plot in 8, but 7 has the better combat/magic system.
They both have their merits and faults.
Posted by: quiksilver87
Thats cool...From what i heard 7 owns 8...Wow i loved the plot in 7...imagine how good it would be in 8!!
Posted by: Daniel
FF8 is the only game that ever made me (almost) cry... That's how powerful story it is.
I say almost because I was holding it back (cos i'm a man, uurrgghh), but i could have very easily let the water works flow.
Incadently, it was tears of sorrow, but very fast turned to tears of joy.
*cough* anyway, manly thoughts.. sex, cars, women.. uurrgghh 
Posted by: Gunslinger
In my humble opinion, Final Fantasy 7 had about the weakest story of any of the games in that franchise. It started off very well, but in my reckoning it seems that all the writers quit after they wrote the death of Aeris; and Square hired a highly-trained team of English 101 students to finish the job.
The story in Final Fantasy 8 was brilliant start-to-finish; hands down the best writing I've ever encountered in a video game. The delivery was superb.
Posted by: quiksilver87
Wow....Damnnn i should get that game...seems nice...Does it have the same gameplay as 7 and freedom of doing whatever you want in the game?
"I say almost because I was holding it back (cos i'm a man, uurrgghh), but i could have very easily let the water works flow."
Take it easy there buddy...
Posted by: Gunslinger
Uh, the gameplay in Final Fantasy 8 is nothing like that in FF7, or any other FF game for that matter. Most people don't seem to like it. Combat feels different. Emphasis in character aptitude is placed on something entirely different than you are probably used to.
Again, most people did nothing but bitch about that game, so, try it at risk of being disappointed, I guess. Personally, I love it.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
I liked the battle system in FF8 better than FF7, but that's just a preference ... most FF7 fans got used to just getting materia and slapping it onto their equipment, in FF8 you have to "draw" your magic and then junction it - more complicated and certainly more tedious for those who got used to the simplistic materia system ... people say FF8 sucked coz it wasn't "exactly" like FF7. Each had their own merits, but I still liked FF8 better ... I liked the FF7 story mainly because of Cloud's backstory, but the ending was not very satisfying and there was no sense of closure, unlike FF8.
So if you play FF8 expecting something like FF7, you'll be disappointed. In my observation, those who played FF7 before FF8 usually don't like FF8, and vice versa...
FF8 still had the best ending among all playstation FF's I played
Posted by: Spider
FF9 wins the prize..!
It was Square's revival of the original Final Fantasy's character types.
And that sold me on the game. I look at it as a remake of the original. Only with a real story. Many of the same characters from 1 have roles in 9. It was a ploy to sell it to us "old G's"
Goddamn I eat that shit up.
Posted by: Gunslinger
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Originally posted by Canis Lupus
FF8 still had the best ending among all playstation FF's I played
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Agreed, and perhaps one of the best endings of any game I have ever completed.
Posted by: AltronHGX
I agree full heartedly with laggu and gunslinger.
FF7 was an amazing game, but IMO FF8 ran loops around it....damn..I stil need to play it again while I'm still 17 
One thing FF8 lacked was minigames..FF7 had tons of crap such as the bike chase, the sub battle, and even the attempt at an RTs..lol...
FF8's card game owned all of it IMO 
Posted by: Scorpius
Like Canis said, if you play ff8 first, you wont like ff7 so much, and vice versa. Well that happened to me
I was maybe a little dissapointed by graphic. But still, ff8 had way better story line; i had a feeling ff7 got out of story, formed some crosroads in the story road....
Posted by: Radiator
I first played FF8 and then FF7 but I liked FF7 better. I liked the story in FF7 more cause in FF8 you're more like a hitman. I mean they keep telling you where to go and who to kill. the graphics were better in FF8 though. The junction system wasn't really great imo. i mean junctioning 300 times and then you most of the time can't use it or it will affect your stats.
Posted by: Ocean
new ff7 movie. ooh aah
http://media1.ffadventchildren.com/...c_hq_subbed.avi
Posted by: SKYHN
Ive liked every Final Fantasy, but FF7 is my favorite(followed by Tactics). FF8 would be 3rd. There wasnt really anything I didnt like in it, I just liked it FF7 better(It 'wow'ed me more).
SPOILER: (highlight to read)
When that sunavabitch Seifer killed Odin, I almost broke my TV.
Posted by: Superfly3176
MY FF9 broke the first disc that movie when u get out of the forest and everything turns to stone it would freeze right there. Made me damn mad, I wanted to play that game again.
Posted by: Ack1027
When I first saw this thread and was about to click it, I said. ' Are you shitting me? '
After reading all the posts in this thread I went on to say ' Wow, you MUST be shitting me '
People people people. What is wrong with you? Final Fantasy 7 is without a doubt better than Final Fantasy 8 in almost all aspects. I played FF8 first so the bias of playing which game first definitely does not apply to me. Final Fantasy 8 is to me [ A person who's played Ffs 2-10 ] the worst Final Fantasy ever. It shouldn't even be called that. It should just be called 8. Because it's not worthy of the title Final Fantasy. I'm one of those people who takes these games to extremes during summer breaks or when I first buy the game, I try to complete everything 100%. I've succeded in most of them. Excluding 9 I just had to put that game away. It totally was a complete disaster compared to the old FF's that contained the job systems.
The things I grade a FF by are Story, Originality, Re-playability, Longevity of impact after, and most importantly Gameplay.
Graphics to me do not matter. To me a real gamer does not consider Graphics when looking at a game. Yes I understand to some degree graphics can be rated. Let's take some classic examples.
Tetris, no matter how good the graphics of this game, no one will care for it. They just want the basics or GAMEPLAY of tetris.
Mario, No matter how good you make the graphics, people still are in love with the jump and bash action and the STORY of saving the princess.
In conclusion, To me anyone that uses graphics as a game rating option, their opinion is completely useless. Now I understand that to a certain degree graphics are important, like no one wants to play the 16-bit graphics games anymore unless you have some other aspect of the game that is INCREDIBLE. Like Duckhunt ^_^ The replayability is godlike.
Final Fantasy 7 is considered as one of the best games ever. Final Fantasy 8 on the other hand is not. This is the first place I've seen more FF8 fans than FF7 fans.
The character development is insanely better than FF8. Each character has a realistic background and the intertwined stories are also amazing. The hidden love story is more subtle than that of FF8 therefore I consider it much better as it is not one of the games main focuses.
To Daniel: The only possible explanation of why you could cry after FF8 is because you had some personal experience that was similar. There is no way that I can see anyone crying because of FF8's storyline.
The Materia system is genious, I'm sure that no other FF game has come close to the pure customizeability of the Materia System. The drawing system pissed me off when the end result of it came to LionHeart, one of the cheapest thigns I've ever seen, and you hardly had to work for it compared to the ultra-godlike weapons and magics in other FFs.
If you're going to pit two FF's against each other, pit FF6 and FF7 those to me are the best FF's and also my top two RPGs of all time.
Posted by: Gunslinger
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Originally posted by Ack1027
What is wrong with you?
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To answer that, it would seem that I prefer an alluring story to a base one, characters that are dynamic to ones that are static, and mechanics that are imaginative as opposed to those that are nearly an identical recycling of the previous game.
Call me crazy, I guess.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
I dunno, FF8 was still a better gaming experience for me But I am sure that many FF7 fans will not care for my opinion - obviously
Nothing's changed in that department though ... FF8 is still the best for me, hehe...
Posted by: uh...ok
I'm still eager to play FF8 ... the first time I played it, I got through half of disc 1 and stopped. Second time I tried again and got through to disc 2.
The gameplay is a bit tedious IMO, due to the fact that drawing magic takes forever ... I'm tempted to play it through with some cheat that lets you draw 99 at once or something, so I don't waste my time or fall asleep doing that.
That or just play through it without trying to maximize everything - that's something I have a nasty habit of doing. I really want to see the whole story... and the music's awesome too.
Though hands down I like FF7 best... good point about the story sucking after Aerith though, and the lack of real closure.
Posted by: Scorpius
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Originally posted by Ack1027
When I first saw this thread and was about to click it, I said. ' Are you shitting me? '
After reading all the posts in this thread I went on to say ' Wow, you MUST be shitting me '
People people people. What is wrong with you? Final Fantasy 7 is without a doubt better than Final Fantasy 8 in almost all aspects. I played FF8 first so the bias of playing which game first definitely does not apply to me. Final Fantasy 8 is to me [ A person who's played Ffs 2-10 ] the worst Final Fantasy ever. It shouldn't even be called that. It should just be called 8. Because it's not worthy of the title Final Fantasy. I'm one of those people who takes these games to extremes during summer breaks or when I first buy the game, I try to complete everything 100%. I've succeded in most of them. Excluding 9 I just had to put that game away. It totally was a complete disaster compared to the old FF's that contained the job systems.
The things I grade a FF by are Story, Originality, Re-playability, Longevity of impact after, and most importantly Gameplay.
Graphics to me do not matter. To me a real gamer does not consider Graphics when looking at a game. Yes I understand to some degree graphics can be rated. Let's take some classic examples.
Tetris, no matter how good the graphics of this game, no one will care for it. They just want the basics or GAMEPLAY of tetris.
Mario, No matter how good you make the graphics, people still are in love with the jump and bash action and the STORY of saving the princess.
In conclusion, To me anyone that uses graphics as a game rating option, their opinion is completely useless. Now I understand that to a certain degree graphics are important, like no one wants to play the 16-bit graphics games anymore unless you have some other aspect of the game that is INCREDIBLE. Like Duckhunt ^_^ The replayability is godlike.
Final Fantasy 7 is considered as one of the best games ever. Final Fantasy 8 on the other hand is not. This is the first place I've seen more FF8 fans than FF7 fans.
The character development is insanely better than FF8. Each character has a realistic background and the intertwined stories are also amazing. The hidden love story is more subtle than that of FF8 therefore I consider it much better as it is not one of the games main focuses.
To Daniel: The only possible explanation of why you could cry after FF8 is because you had some personal experience that was similar. There is no way that I can see anyone crying because of FF8's storyline.
The Materia system is genious, I'm sure that no other FF game has come close to the pure customizeability of the Materia System. The drawing system pissed me off when the end result of it came to LionHeart, one of the cheapest thigns I've ever seen, and you hardly had to work for it compared to the ultra-godlike weapons and magics in other FFs.
If you're going to pit two FF's against each other, pit FF6 and FF7 those to me are the best FF's and also my top two RPGs of all time.
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Now YOU shitting me. Theres no need we all thing same as you do. Besides FF7 got its glory cause graphic were cool at that time.
As for story i belive it lost its line. Ending is nothing worth a look.
And as for materia and draw sistem,; you say you find some materia only on some special monsters. Same is with GFs in 8, you can only draw it on special monsters; and later on near the final battle, but theres only for looks beacuse you got no use of a gf which does not like you. Oh and, you also need to draw magic in ff8, and again if you miss to draw from some boss you missed that magic.
FF7 came out all alone that year, no other big games were made. As for FF8, it had some rivals.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by uh...ok
The gameplay is a bit tedious IMO, due to the fact that drawing magic takes forever ... I'm tempted to play it through with some cheat that lets you draw 99 at once or something, so I don't waste my time or fall asleep doing that.
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Do what I did ... I was watching a DVD on another set while I was drawing, hehehe ... I think that is the single deterrant to players who tried FF8 (especially those who want it to be like FF7, where you just slap materia on equipment like putting post-its on a wall). I think it's only overly tedious if you're impatient, much like players who cannot stand Xenosaga coz of the 20-to-30-minute cutscenes and therefore say it sucks, even though it obviously doesn't
As for story, FF7 just ran out of steam after Aerith's death (but I am sure people here have said that enough), and the ending (and yes, that includes the epilogue) made me stare at the TV afterwards and say "uhm ... okay ... that's it?" I didn't feel anything for Cloud and company in the end. The ending seemed rushed and amputated.
I heard comments from some FF7 fans (not from this forum) that we actually have to use our "imagination" as to how the game ended... I say "that's effing ridiculous" ... 90% of the time you play the game so you can see what happens in the end... if you don't see how it ends, but instead you have to come up with theories as to how it ended, then that sucks beyond measure.
I don't really mind the graphics on FF7 much - I played Xenogears which had noticeably worse graphics by comparison, but infinitely better story and combat system than FF7, so that's not a contention as to why I like FF8 more than FF7. I believe the whole is larger than the sum of its parts, and when I finished playing FF8, I said "damn, what a finale, what a game" as opposed to what I said about FF7 when I finally finished it.
But I had a lot of fun playing both, no question about that ... I just had more satisfaction at the end of the day when I played FF8
Posted by: SKYHN
I want to see a combo of the original system from FF(where you learn spells/skills, but without paying for them) and the materia system from FF7. The materia would give you just bonuses to stats and not actual spells/skills.
Posted by: Ack1027
Oh ho ho, you just wait till Advent Children comes out. Then you can BEGIN to say something about ' Story '
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Gunblades? Seriously, Come on.
Posted by: Ack1027
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
To answer that, it would seem that I prefer an alluring story to a base one, characters that are dynamic to ones that are static, and mechanics that are imaginative as opposed to those that are nearly an identical recycling of the previous game.
Call me crazy, I guess.
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Yeah you're right slinger, Sephiroth is definitely static. I mean hell, all the millions of people that consider him one of the best RPG characters ever made are wrong, they must be. And yes, saving the world from a sorceress is much much more alluring than the ancient history of a doomed race showing itself in the form of evil. I also have to agree with you that the materia system along with the chocobo raising/racing and mini-games have been used in EVERY final fantasy before FF7, therefore it's so damn identical.
My apologies.
Posted by: Gunslinger
hahahaha
Posted by: Tecil
I only played about half way through VII before my save game was corrupted and I was so pissed I never played it again. I bought VIII but never played it.
Looks like VII took the win at GameFAQs best game of all time poll.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/spr04_bracket.html
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Oh ho ho, you just wait till Advent Children comes out. Then you can BEGIN to say something about ' Story '
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Yes, any game that requires a movie to make sense of it is indeed great 
IMHO, Sepiroth is overrated (dunno, probably because of that costume he has that gives pre-pubescent boys wet dreams) He was just the badass character of the times (driven by the hype of FF7, no less) - more well-rounded villains have come before and after him ... you played Xenosaga? Albedo from that game has more character than Sepiroth
FF7 being the first playstation final fantasy has a lot to do with its overwhelming popularity ... that's all
Posted by: RAcastClarke
FF6 was IMO one of the best FF's out there, though I only played up to FF7. Seemed okay. Gotta love 6 though.
Crystal Chronicles sucks. DO NOT BUY IT. It's a disgrace to the franchise.
Posted by: SKYHN
They damn well better have a new Tactics game for console soon. I had read they were skipping it for PS2, because development only started on it early last year, and that it would be a launch title for PS3. But I want one now! Its been too long since the last one.
Posted by: Gunslinger
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Yeah, I've been following that poll, and the more I followed it, the more irritating it was. If you must compare every game ever made in every genre ever conceived (which is an exercise in futility), then I don't see how FF7 wins the best game of all time (I don't see how any FF wins it, for that matter).
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FF7 being the first playstation final fantasy has a lot to do with its overwhelming popularity ... that's all
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Quoted for truth.
Posted by: uh...ok
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Originally posted by Canis Lupus
Do what I did ... I was watching a DVD on another set while I was drawing, hehehe ... I think that is the single deterrant to players who tried FF8 (especially those who want it to be like FF7, where you just slap materia on equipment like putting post-its on a wall). I think it's only overly tedious if you're impatient, much like players who cannot stand Xenosaga coz of the 20-to-30-minute cutscenes and therefore say it sucks, even though it obviously doesn't
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The difference between a cutscene and drawing is that one requires you to be actively paying attention to follow it (the cutscene, not the drawing) unless you choose NOT to pay attention to it (which is just as viable an option for some people) whereas the other is just a rote pressing of a combination of buttons every 2 seconds, and you do NOT have the choice of just ditching it for 20-30 minutes. Some parts of FF7 I found were tedious too - leveling up materia isn't that fun, but it does beat drawing magic because it's actually remotely interesting (because you're actually fighting battles, vs. "fighting" one battle forever).
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As for story, FF7 just ran out of steam after Aerith's death (but I am sure people here have said that enough), and the ending (and yes, that includes the epilogue) made me stare at the TV afterwards and say "uhm ... okay ... that's it?" I didn't feel anything for Cloud and company in the end. The ending seemed rushed and amputated.
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Well put, that accurately describes my own experience with the ending (after sitting through 20 minutes of a W-Summoned Quadra-Magic'd Bahamut ZERO) - I was left desiring a lot more from the ending than what I got. I'm almost certain that any other game's ending could be better. (Of course I'm exaggerating, no need to cite counterexamples  ).
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I don't really mind the graphics on FF7 much - I played Xenogears which had noticeably worse graphics by comparison, but infinitely better story and combat system than FF7, so that's not a contention as to why I like FF8 more than FF7. I believe the whole is larger than the sum of its parts, and when I finished playing FF8, I said "damn, what a finale, what a game" as opposed to what I said about FF7 when I finally finished it.
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While FF7 was certainly missing the "damn, what a finale, what a game" thing for me, I still consider it the best simply because I can remember so many good experiences playing it. Every now and then I would remember playing a certain part of the game, or talk about it with some friends and be like, "Damn, those were the days." It's certainly a separate measure of a game's worth, and of course one is not necessarily greater than the other.
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FF7 being the first playstation final fantasy has a lot to do with its overwhelming popularity ... that's all
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That's true, and it got the most publicity out of all the Final Fantasy's. In fact, it was one of the first video games to have such a large PR campaign, and with the cinematic approach to the commercials. Which just gives it an even more epic feeling.
For me, it was the first Final Fantasy game I'd ever played - and in fact, it's the only "FF-style" (is there a name for it?) RPG game that I've played through its entirety. I have a feeling that as much as I love RPGs, I lack the patience and the time to complete them (or even half of them) - and my perfectionist attitutude towards playing these games doesn't help either. Thus my somewhat misguided attitude, "If you've played one, you've played it all."
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Yeah, I've been following that poll, and the more I followed it, the more irritating it was. If you must compare every game ever made in every genre ever conceived (which is an exercise in futility), then I don't see how FF7 wins the best game of all time (I don't see how any FF wins it, for that matter).
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Yeah, it's kinda convenient how they had FF7 and Xenogears in the same preliminary division, and FF7 (being more popular) obviously winning out
No console RPG comes close to Xenogears, and definitely not the Final Fantasy series - not by a long shot
Posted by: Tecil
The thing I thought that was retarded about the GameFAQs poll was all the game forums banding together to vote for their favorite games when they came up. I kept seeing threads on the various boards I frequent about going to GameFAQs and voting for this game or that game.
Like Gunny said, it really needed to be broken down into genres, and then maybe take the winners of the various genres against each other for shits and giggles.
Posted by: Scorpius
If we already at FF; anyone playing the online version? Any good? (need to know from first hand)
Posted by: Ack1027
Any four year old would realize that the only reason Squaresoft would pick up on such an old project is because of the magnitude of fan support and the greatness of the game.
Mmm, when's the last time you ever heard about anything coming from FF8?
Okay, yeah about Albedo, if you had a vote about who people liked better Albedo Vs Sephiroth I would guarantee money that people would say Sephiroth.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by Ack1027
Any four year old would realize that the only reason Squaresoft would pick up on such an old project is because of the magnitude of fan support and the greatness of the game.
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I guess that means four-year-olds know more than us? Nice try at an insult, but I won't bite - we know better
So you admit that Square is trying to cash in on FF7's still ongoing popularity... It's all about money, nothing to do with greatness. So which part was I wrong on that aspect?
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Okay, yeah about Albedo, if you had a vote about who people liked better Albedo Vs Sephiroth I would guarantee money that people would say Sephiroth.
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Then again, more people have played FF7, released in the mid-90s, as opposed to those who played Xenosaga, released only two years ago, I think ... so the poll would be ridiculous, and naturally biased in your favor (which is how you like it)
If you determine the "greatness" of a game merely by the number of sales it got, then we are obviously arguing the wrong sides of the spectrum ... and one that I won't argue any further, as it will be moot - especially with that avatar of yours - you can never accept that FF7 isn't great, it would be unbearable!
Contrary to public belief, FF7 isn't the greatest RPG ever made, no matter what the cult says - it's a fun game, but that's it
Posted by: Soulis6
Ok i've been reading all of this and this is bugging the hell out of me.
First let me say i've never, ever, ever heard of so many people really liking FF8. I am a huge fan of all the final fantasys (except the more recent ones) and 8 was by far the worst.
FF7 is and always will be the best. It has everything, great story, albeit a rather vauge ending, excellent music (I've never heard better in a game), great characters, and awsome materia system. Granted its not the only really good FF out there. FF6 comes really close and following behind that is FF tactics.
FF8 was a mess. I thought i was watching a damn soap opera there partway through the game. And there is no way to describe the awarkdness of the combat system. It felt so plain and boring. The only real appeal is the graphics, which although they are better in general then 7, they lack the overall fantastic art style that made 7 so memerable. The only character even with a bit of depth was siefer(SP). I am not a nut thinking this either. I recall several years ago after FF9 came out what several editors of PS magazine had picked for their favorate RPGS of all time. Not one listed FF8 and one even had listed FF1-7, FF9.
FF9 was an excellent game with one of the best RPG endings ever. FFX was decent, even if your main character looked (and talked) like a fairy. X-2 was a disgrace to all FF games, and male gamers everywhere frankly. And last but not least FFXI completely sucked. Just like every other MMORPG out there where you spend hours leveling up your guy just to do something cool. The graphics are very nice however.
FFXII has potential, being made by the same creator as FF tactics and being set in the same world, but only time will tell....
As for Xenosaga, the scenes are great and it has an excellent story, but honestly i found myself extremly board with the fighting system in it. Several other minor things bugged me about it (such as how the characters without mechs are a complete waste of space), but the card game was one of the most addicting mini games ever. It didnt help that i lost my memory card with the saved game on it near the end of the game 
I will most likely get the sequel though, as long as they improve on the system.
So to set things right, FF7 isnt the greatest game ever made, or even the greatest RPG, but it pretty damn close and it definatly goes in the top 3.
PS. Yea gamefaqs really should have split that up into groups for different genres. It would have been more accurate and more entertaining.
Posted by: uh...ok
Soulis6, in the end, these discussions are all just sharing of opinions... and claiming any one game to be the best or the worst of anything without leaving room for disagreement is a dangerous thing to do. Your views are clearly different from a lot of those posting here and many others who aren't - and I'm sure they don't mind - so it shouldn't really bug you that other peoples' opinions differ from yours as well.
Besides, to a lot of people, your claim that FFXI sucks already invalidates the rest of your opinions to them. FFXI is crack, and I know more than plenty of victims/addicts to attest to that.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
I never disagreed about FF7 being a great game and all ... it just didn't make that big of an impression on me as it did many other people - the same way Counterstrike doesn't tickle my fancy, but I absolutely love Quake 3 Arena, which many abhor.
You can't have every gamer agree that one single game is the greatest game of all time - if you think that, then you are living in your own final fantasy
It's all about taste, I guess ... I am not telling anyone that they're stupid or retarded to think FF7 is the best FF (or RPG) to ever hit the console - I'm just saying I don't share their opinion, and therefore I am stating why I can't really debate much with one who uses a sephiroth avatar and one who uses a sephiroth signature - that's pretty much a moot point, lol ... but insulting people just coz they don't like your favorite game as much as you do is just childish - any four-year-old would probably know that, too
Think of it this way - if you can't bear the fact that someone thinks your favorite game is not that great, then imagine how that person can't understand why a simple "fun" game could be considered the greatest game of all time by many people Empathy, please...
Posted by: Ack1027
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Ok i've been reading all of this and this is bugging the hell out of me.
First let me say i've never, ever, ever heard of so many people really liking FF8. I am a huge fan of all the final fantasys (except the more recent ones) and 8 was by far the worst.
FF7 is and always will be the best. It has everything, great story, albeit a rather vauge ending, excellent music (I've never heard better in a game), great characters, and awsome materia system. Granted its not the only really good FF out there. FF6 comes really close and following behind that is FF tactics.
FF8 was a mess. I thought i was watching a damn soap opera there partway through the game. And there is no way to describe the awarkdness of the combat system. It felt so plain and boring. The only real appeal is the graphics, which although they are better in general then 7, they lack the overall fantastic art style that made 7 so memerable. The only character even with a bit of depth was siefer(SP). I am not a nut thinking this either. I recall several years ago after FF9 came out what several editors of PS magazine had picked for their favorate RPGS of all time. Not one listed FF8 and one even had listed FF1-7, FF9.
FF9 was an excellent game with one of the best RPG endings ever. FFX was decent, even if your main character looked (and talked) like a fairy. X-2 was a disgrace to all FF games, and male gamers everywhere frankly. And last but not least FFXI completely sucked. Just like every other MMORPG out there where you spend hours leveling up your guy just to do something cool. The graphics are very nice however.
FFXII has potential, being made by the same creator as FF tactics and being set in the same world, but only time will tell....
As for Xenosaga, the scenes are great and it has an excellent story, but honestly i found myself extremly board with the fighting system in it. Several other minor things bugged me about it (such as how the characters without mechs are a complete waste of space), but the card game was one of the most addicting mini games ever. It didnt help that i lost my memory card with the saved game on it near the end of the game
I will most likely get the sequel though, as long as they improve on the system.
So to set things right, FF7 isnt the greatest game ever made, or even the greatest RPG, but it pretty damn close and it definatly goes in the top 3.
PS. Yea gamefaqs really should have split that up into groups for different genres. It would have been more accurate and more entertaining.
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Wow I could not have agreed with you more, seriously this is well put. I applaud you.
Um, as for the avatar, it's just an avatar okay? Just because you have a pawprint doesn't mean I will go ahead and assume that you think that, that particular animal is your favorite and owns all other animals.
I picked the Sephiroth avatar because frankly, to me, out of the selection here at OTS, that's the only one that really struck me as one I'd like to use.
I explained before how I rate games and you can plainly see it is not based on the sales. But sales do say something, if something doesn't appeal to a large crowd, there won't be any sales. It's kinda like a fad, everyone will buy it because their friends play it and it's popular, but FF7 isn't like that, it has the selling power of a Fad but has the legendary game within, which so many gamers have found.
Of course we all have opinions but I state mine firmly because it's apt to the FACT that more people like FF7 over FF8.
Canis: I guess that means four-year-olds know more than us? Nice try at an insult, but I won't bite - we know better
Um, no? Who's us? What I was trying to say was that even little kids know that people dedicated to doing things do it for the greatness and the money that MAY come along is a bonus. I'm not insulting anyone mmkay? I'm just counter-debating your argument.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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I explained before how I rate games and you can plainly see it is not based on the sales. But sales do say something, if something doesn't appeal to a large crowd, there won't be any sales. It's kinda like a fad, everyone will buy it because their friends play it and it's popular, but FF7 isn't like that, it has the selling power of a Fad but has the legendary game within, which so many gamers have found.
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Yeah, I guess the Deer Hunter series was pretty great and legendary ... just look at the sales!
http://pc.ign.com/articles/066/066581p1.html
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What I was trying to say was that even little kids know that people dedicated to doing things do it for the greatness and the money that MAY come along is a bonus.
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LOL, you're kidding right? I don't know how there are four-year-olds like those where you live, but please don't justify such a ludicrous exaggeration as fact
I don't even know a five-year-old who knows how to "spell" dedication, much less know the meaning of it - pretty smart kids in your neck of the woods, eh?
All businesses and companies work and operate to make money. That's a fact. If they did not foresee an FF7 movie earning a profit, they won't make it, plain and simple. Chalk it up to the huge FF7 cult - more money in Square-Enix's coffers ... they're not sentimental, nostalgic gamers, they're businessmen Making money is always the first priority. WHy did they not make an FF8 movie? Coz the larger FF7 crowd won't watch it and maybe boycott it (judging from most of their opinions about FF8) ... less money in doing that movie. This is the company trying to earn back what they lost in the first FF movie, by making a movie out of the Final Fantasy game with the largest fanbase. Dedicated? Bullshit - that's just nice marketing ... it's all about money
Anyway, FF7 rocks for you, FF8 rocks for me. You can't convince me that FF7 is better coz I believe FF8 is better, and vice versa. I believe FF8 has better music overall, better atmosphere, more heart, more character, and more mood. FF7 is darker, more urgent, and except for Cloud's backstory, which I admit is uber cool, there is really very few things in the story that is that memorable (well, of course, except for the death of Aerith, and they probably should've ended the game there). It also has the most annoying music in a game that I ever heard (Gold Saucer theme) ... more annoying than the worldmap music of FF8, phew... But these are all just my opinions, and opinions aren't facts ... it's the same way I treat other people's opinions. We're all good
Posted by: Ack1027
One of the reasons I think they are making Advent Children is because they thought they would make a huge profit with FF: The spirits within, but as we all know they failed horribly so they are going with something dependable like FF7's storyline. They know more than any other FF, 7 is the one people would like to see a movie too. This means yes they are out to do it for the money.
But hey, you're right it is for money, but I'm willing to bet there are at least a few employees who do it because they love the game.
Btw Square-Enix and Squaresoft are totally different.
Square-Enix = The gayest company I've seen in quite some time.
Squaresoft = 1337 company.
It's just a shame that Enix is in charge of Advent Children.
Posted by: AltronHGX
What has Square-Enix done to jade you so much?
Posted by: Outlaw
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Btw Square-Enix and Squaresoft are totally different.
Square-Enix = The gayest company I've seen in quite some time.
Squaresoft = 1337 company.
It's just a shame that Enix is in charge of Advent Children.
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I don't think the regular Squaresoft exists anymore (Squaresoft merged with Enix to become Square-Enix), so it would be pretty hard for them to work on advent children.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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they are going with something dependable like FF7's storyline.
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It has nothing to do with the storyline, it has everything to do with the fanbase Most people are not gonna go watch it because of the storyline, they are gonna watch it coz *gasp* Cloud and Sephiroth are in it... ka-ching!
Posted by: uh...ok
You mean, Aerith isn't gonna be in it? That'd be the only reason I'd watch it. Or Red XIII.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
I'm only going by the trailer, of course, since it didn't reveal any type of storyline anyway
Posted by: Ack1027
The fanbase was created because people like the storyline, if people didn't like the storyline, there would be no *fans* And because Cloud and Sephiroth originally appeared in FF7 as opposed to some other game/movie it's fair to say that they are part of the storyline and not a gimmick.
Posted by: Ack1027
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What has Square-Enix done to jade you so much?
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Oh, I don't know...
Perhaps it was creating FFX-2. Yeah something like that.
Posted by: Ack1027
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You mean, Aerith isn't gonna be in it? That'd be the only reason I'd watch it. Or Red XIII.
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Aerith is in a flashback, shown in the trailer, and it's highly probable Red will be in the game because well, if you waited till after the credits [ like a good boy ] after you beat FF7 they showed the little clip of Red. I won't spoil it for you if you haven't seen it, so go go go.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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The fanbase was created because people like the storyline, if people didn't like the storyline, there would be no *fans* And because Cloud and Sephiroth originally appeared in FF7 as opposed to some other game/movie it's fair to say that they are part of the storyline and not a gimmick.
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Honestly, if I were to make money, I won't look at how good the story is, but how big the fanbase is ... just coz you say the fanbase was created coz of the storyline, does not mean that Square-Enix created the Advent Children because of that storyline - it's because of the huge fanbase... as I said, ka-ching
I mean, Square-Enix could release any CG movie with a crap story, with Cloud and company as main characters, and FF7 fans would still be dying to watch it ... prove me wrong
Posted by: Soulis6
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Your views are clearly different from a lot of those posting here and many others who aren't - and I'm sure they don't mind - so it shouldn't really bug you that other peoples' opinions differ from yours as well.
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Actually it wasent the fact that people have other opinions that was bugging me, it was just that FF7-vouchers were being outnumbered. I just thought i would help them out. All of that is of my own opinion, i never intended to say that everyone thinks thats how it is, just many people.
As for FFXII, i wasent saying that people dont find it additicing, its just that it is very much identical to every single other MMORPG out there. Sure they are fun and additicing for a little while, but after that time the game becomes boring and rarely becomes thought of as a good game. Of course there are some people out there who cant get enough of those kind of games and play them for days on end. I call them crack fiends.....
Posted by: Ack1027
Well we both can't prove the other wrong because they won't make a crap story with Cloud and company as main characters. My opinion would be that the *sales* would be much lower if they had a crappy story with Cloud and company as opposed to maybe just Cloud and 2 other characters and a good story. I think Square-Enix knows that if they don't carry on the good storyline of FF7 in Advent Children then they will ultimately fail and not get the money they expect.
FF7 fans would still watch a crap story with Cloud and company but a large majority would not even think about seeing it because of the crap story [ Similar to the Matrix Trilogy ]. There would be more fans watching if it was a good story with Cloud and company which I think Square Enix knows.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Of course, we still don't know if it's a good story or not, since we both haven't watched it ... but I am sure FF7 fans will run and watch it regardless of bad reviews ... what do you think?
Posted by: Ack1027
From the trailers we can tell to a certain extent that it is already the story that FF7 fans have come to love. It takes place after the original story therefore is connected and at least starts off right, plus we know there will be plenty of flashbacks that are now in badass graphics, which alot of people look for since it's just a CG movie, not another RPG sequel.
I don't know many people who read reviews for stuff like that, I mean look at where the reviews are coming from. Sites that don't seem to know wtf they are doing.
But yes, on the flipside, the majority of people will watch it even if their friends watch it first and tell them it's horrible. Maybe out of respect for the game or curiousity, or even as you said, just to see Cloud and Sephiroth.
Anyway, in the end it's a celebration of the greatest RPG of all time [ My opinion of course ] so we should all enjoy =^ O^=
Posted by: Soulis6
well said
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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so we should all enjoy =^ O^=
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I wholeheartedly agree with that part
Posted by: Bodweiser
FF7 in my opinion was much better than FF8, although 8 would come second. 8 didn't have enough character growth, was short, not as much side quests, not enough backstory, smaller world (not literally) and - one thing I loved about FF7 was the boss music, it was the only FF with the best battle system and actually gave me the urge to beat Demons Gate around that ****ing face of his with a barge pole... god I hated him - and Carry Armour... what a sod! But yea, FF8 comes next for me with the exception of FF6 - love that too... All 3 are very nostalgic and great games - 7 first though. And Advent Children will see the return of some great characters!
And Final Fantasy 7: Before Crisis, not quite too sure on what this is yet, but it still has Turks in it...
I loved the unclosed ending of FF7 - left me wishing for a sequel for 7 years *rolls eyes*... and the fact that so many things were taken from the game because they didn't have enough time to put it all in, like the resurrection of Aeris - they just left her ghost in the church and took the man in the pipe out, who played a crucial role in her resurrection.
Posted by: Nfested
I liked FF7 better, because I had more fun playing it. Personally, I enjoyed FF7's music better than FF8's organ/choir-ish music. To be fair, FF8 came out on the same day the Dreamcast launched (9/9/99), which stole some of its steam away - and vice versa.
Anyways, does anyone know how any of the Zelda games did on the GameFaqs polls?
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