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Dual CPUs: AMD and Intel Head to Head
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Posted by: TotalRecall
Ace's Hardware has put up a comparison between two AMD 1200 MPs and two Pentium 4 1700 Xeons testing the processors in programs such as Maya, 3DStudio Max, Cinema 4D, Truespace, Microstation, AutoCad 2000, video and MP3 encoding, SceinceMark, and Visual C++. Here's a snip:
Let us be honest here, even at 1.7 GHz, the Pentium 4 Xeon has a hard time competing with the much cheaper 1.2 GHz Athlon MP. SSE and hardware-prefetch used to make the Pentium 4 1.5 GHz slightly faster in some benchmarks, but now that the Athlon is also equipped with these weapons, the Intel chips can only beat AMD's latest in the MP3 and video encoding benchmarks where it is able to flex its powerful 3.2 GB/s DRDRAM memory interface.
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Posted by: qualico
I'm glad to be the first one to respond here.
Let me tell you folks...
AMD has proven itself yet again.
Thank the powers that be.
Posted by: Ion Silverbolt
Performance doesn't mean squat in this case. The Intel platform is more stable at this point. It will take a considerable amount of time before any company seeking high-end servers will consider an AMD platform. Tyan is a top vendor when it comes to Dual CPU boards and their board has some incompatabilities at this point. (Although they can be worked around).
If I were to guess, I would say it will take another year before AMD will be considered by many top companies. By that time, the Hammer will be here on yet another platform.
It's going to be difficult for AMD in this market as long as Intel can keep fooling people into thinking Mhz is everything. Even when they do work the kinks out, most people and companies stereotype anything AMD as less stable or incompatible.
Posted by: Kdr Kane
Big companies are simply not going to buy AMD servers unless they are made by Compaq or IBM. It will be a loooong time before that will happen.
Posted by: qualico
Sorry, have to totally disagree on that.
The size of the company should not matter.
Its the size of the budget.
Further, I find AMD far more stable then pentium.
Even when overclocked!
Lastly, If its stability you want, then underclock the AMD and it still kicks their best Xeon.
Posted by: Kdr Kane
I work for a large company (extra large actually). And I am one of the people that help decide which computers we buy.
There is an old saying "You can't go wrong if you buy IBM". That stands mostly true today. I don't particularly care for a lot of their stuff. We only use Compaq servers. It's for reliability reasons. Changing vendors is a big deal.
There is a difference between obstinate and realistic. Who's gonna put their job on the line because they said the AMD's are better? For a little speed? It doesn't happen in big business. When you start to understand this, it's the difference between being a player and a manager. Money is wasted in too many other places in business. This isn't the place to scrimp.
Think about it. There is a real reason why Compaq and IBM don't use AMD CPU's for servers. It's because of their customers.
I laughed at the part about underclocking the CPU. Do you think I would recommend underclocking a CPU to insure stability? In a business environment?
Now, why you may feel that I am being manipulated by politics, it's true. You aren't selling out just because it isn't optimized to 100%. There is always a different opinion out there. You have to reach a middle ground. So safe and conservative are best.
Perception and Presentation are everything in business.
Posted by: Ion Silverbolt
Kane is right, the AMD760MP boards are plenty stable enough to make nice high-end servers to those who don't have a problem keeping it updated.
The problem is, a lot of companies have a lot of PC's to maintain. They are not going to "Gamble" on something for the promise it might work faster. Stability is everything. Although we know it's a good platform, no one is going to risk their job over it. At least not yet.
Posted by: Ion Silverbolt
I looked up the exact problems of the Tyan board. All the ones I saw have been fixed with BIOS updates and firmware updates for the onboard SCSI controller.
The only real drawback of it now is the special power supply needed at this time. And the newer boards take care of that.
Posted by: qualico
Being the consultant for companies large and small, it has been my experience that Compaq and IBM give nothing but headaches.
No more stable than anything out there.
I use to sell the top end stuff.
On a lark I thought I'd try the lower end.
It worked.
It worked better.
and It cost better!
Now I quiver in fear when I have to troubleshoot anything with an HP, Compaq or IBM lable.
Humbly, however, thats just me and my little end of the world.
Certainly, don't want to suggest that my experience is the end all.
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