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The Debates
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Posted by: Ocean
anyone think it is odd that the bush campaign is saying bush is a shitty debater and kerry is awesome at it. and the kerry campaign says constantly that bush has won every debate in his life.
last time around, everyone was saying bush only won the debate because the bush campaign set the bar so so low for him.
i hope kerry sets the stage by first saying: terrorism is bad, america should stand up for freedom, saddam was bad, terrorists are evil. freedom is good. those who died whould be honored. 9-11 was a tragedy. no one is arguing otherwise on any of these points, these are not the policies being contested. hence, these should not be the answers to the questions.
alot more poetic though
i hope global approval rating of bush comes into play.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
I'm looking forward to the debate ... should be pretty insightful... Bush won the last presidential debate coz Gore's mannerisms did him in...
Expect to hear the words "war on terror" from Bush several times during the course of that debate ... it always seems to hypnotize most Americans into believing anything 
Posted by: SKYHN
I thought he said we cant win the War on Terror?
Posted by: Canis Lupus
We'll find out if he elaborates on that during the debate...
Posted by: Bunmiadefisayo
As much as i hate to say it, i have a very strong suspicion that Bush may win. You'd all be surprised at the number of people i have come across, who honestly beleive that they are safer becasue of Bush. I will admit that Bush does come off as slightly sterner than kerry, but we should all wait until after the debate shouldnt we?
Posted by: justinious
I have a problem with the word "debate" being applied to this situation. Lou Dobbs on CNN more accurately described this event as a "Presidential Presentation". A "commitee", of RNC and DNC members, sat down earlier and made up the questions being posed. Kerry and Bush then recieved the questions that will be posed, and were able to decide thier answers. Whether or not they obey the "rules" set down remains to be seen, but I'm expecting canned answers and a shitload of my-spin-is-better-than-yours rhetoric.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
And we all know which of the candidates has made a killing with "canned" responses 
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Originally Posted by Bunmiadefisayo
As much as i hate to say it, i have a very strong suspicion that Bush may win.
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would not be the first time that most of the American people got duped into voting for the wrong person ... Nixon, anyone?
I am not a crook!
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Here's a nice debate question, best if answered by Bush:
"Do you think America is headed for the events that transpired in 1984?
Chances are, Bush might just answer it with, "Yes, that was a very good year for me..."
Posted by: Bunmiadefisayo
 omg yeah i can see him as answering that way, the dirty bugger .
But seriously, i just want this set of elections to be over. I am curious to see what teh media will be doing one month after the elections. Another high-profile murder maybe?
Posted by: IceBreaker
A pity Clinton couldn't run instead of Kerry - a man of his education & charisma would have torn Bush to shreds like the lion rends the antilope
Posted by: 9:35
You people who think Bush still has a chance of winning need to slow down a bit. Kerry is a trained political bulldog. He realizes the fact that Americans dont have much of an attention span, and he's reserving all his ammunition for the very last month when he will completely dominate Bush.
Remember the Democratic Primaries? No one gave Kerry a serious thought about winning. Then, out of ****ing no where, Kerry systematically defeated every last one of his opponents and emerged the victor.
People are slowly seeing how much of a disaster Iraq is becoming, and Bush will be pressured tonight on Iraq policies. I can't wait for him to continue with the "we're making progress in Iraq" rhetoric, because more and more of the public are discovering thats just not true.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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I am curious to see what teh media will be doing one month after the elections. Another high-profile murder maybe?
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Michael Jackson trial, most likely ... or an announcement that we have decided to fight the war on terror in Iran or Syria 
Posted by: AltronHGX
"We need to be on the constant offense" -Bush
http://www.tacofox.net/stuff/tardscratch.gif
Posted by: Gunslinger
Make your time.
Posted by: 9:35
I like how Bush pretty much ran out of material 2/3rds of the way through and basically repeated the same few phrases over and over. "Mixes messages," or "mexages," so on and so forth.
Keep in mind that the Iraqi war is Bush's strong suit, and by no means did Bush win this debate. The next two debates will also swing in Kerry's favor.
Also, I have lost any respect for Rudy Giuliani from his comments about the debates. What a ditz 
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Haha, the pissed look on Bush's face was priceless... Kerry got to him, especially when he mentioned Bush's dad - and Kerry won this debate
Too bad the flipflop argument that Bush banked his entire debate on isn't gonna work as well in the next two...
Posted by: AK47
Does anyone here really feel strongly positive for Kerry?
I'll be voting for him, but he truly doesnt do it for me. Banking on his Vietnam record was a joke when thats all he babbled on about for a solid month or so. Not an impressive individual.
I'm voting for change... not Kerry.
Posted by: 9:35
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Does anyone here really feel strongly positive for Kerry?
I'll be voting for him, but he truly doesnt do it for me. Banking on his Vietnam record was a joke when thats all he babbled on about for a solid month or so. Not an impressive individual.
I'm voting for change... not Kerry.
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I'm voting more for Edwards than for Kerry.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Does anyone here really feel strongly positive for Kerry?
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I don't agree with everything he does and wants to do, but I agree on more things he wants to do for the country than what Bush has done (and plans to continue) for the US.
Given a choice between someone who wants to do half of what I agree with and someone who does almost everything wrong in my book, I'd go for the former. And yes, with the current state of things in the US, change is good.
Posted by: AK47
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Given a choice between someone who wants to do half of what I agree with and someone who does almost everything wrong in my book, I'd go for the former.
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Yeah, I guess thats what it boils down to. Can't get a perfect candidate.... I would like a little more charisma in the man who I'm choosing to run the country though.
Ah well. Lesser of two evils.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Don't miss the debate between Cheney and Edwards on the 5th ... that one's gonna be a doozy ... if we're lucky, Cheney will embarrass himself enough to infect Bush's campaign - that is if he doesn't fake a heart attack first
Posted by: IceBreaker
Unfair advantage for Bush! I hear junior got the last word - if so that will definitely give him a headstart over his rival http://www.touslessmileys.com/modul...ge.php/1766.gif
Posted by: laborat
I am trying real hard to find some noticeable difference between Kerry and Bush. All I see is a Rich president guy running against a Richer senate guy. Do either of them really give a rat's ass about the poor and hungry in this country? affordable health care for seniors?
Whoever wins will still be forced to spend billions if not trillions to extract us from Iraq. That doesn't really win the war on terror and most guys in the know figure we will find a face saving way to leave and then wring our hands and bemoan the fact of failure because our version of democracy didn't work and the region falls into civil war pitting one sect against another. None of this by the way will ever make its way back into our system to help our people out here in america who are out of work, disabled, sick, poor, disenfranchised, and mentally ill.
All I have seen from our military and national guard units that are over there is enough to make me realize they would have no chance at restabilizing our country should we (the people) rise up and revolt against corporate tyranny. It's not like we don't have legitimate grievances. We had our economy under control. Things were running smoothly till shrub-like bushy decided to become the Duke of the Middle East. Blame that one on his daddy and his vice-president, Cheney. Other than an unpopular war, name one thing that Bush will be remembered for...take your time there must be something, should be something,...okay then, something his Wife, Laura will be remembered for...
Posted by: Bunmiadefisayo
Anyone see the John Stweart show on Comedy Central. Freaking hilarious it was.
Posted by: Ocean
ill watch it when i get home tonight.
Posted by: IceBreaker
Laborat> Why expect the contenders to debate over issues which they know are the least of most voters' worries? Social welfare is of little concern to the candidates...for the simple reason that it is of little concern to the people. 'tis sad but true
Posted by: NyGulkuk
Last night was a foreign policy debate, hopefully the next ones will deal with where the candidates stand on domestic issues like health care, the homeless and other poor people.
Posted by: Bunmiadefisayo
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN???? (Icebreaker i mean)
In other unrelated news, i am surprised that Bush came off as bumbling as he did. After all they were given the questions beforehand and were supposed to have prepared answers.
Posted by: Cheese
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I'm voting for change... not Kerry.
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Agreed.
Of course as long as Mayor Daley is running Chicago, we should be confident that Illinois will vote Democrat. Vote early, vote often.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Bush's cue cards probably only contained two things: "flipflopper" and "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time" ...
Posted by: 9:35
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Bush's cue cards probably only contained two things: "flipflopper" and "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time" ...
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Bush can't afford to call Kerry a 'flip flopper,' which is why he never has and never will.
Oh, and in case anyone cares about numbers:
CNN / GALLUP POLL ON WHO WON DEBATE
Kerry: 53
Bush: 37
CBS POLL ON WHO WON DEBATE:
Kerry: 44
Bush: 26
Tie: 30
ABC POLL ON WHO WON DEBATE:
Kerry: 45
Bush: 36
Tie: 17
Posted by: Canis Lupus
well, diehard Bushies are unaffected, diehard Kerriers are unaffected ... it's the swing voters they're trying to get anyway... although with Bush insistently reminding everyone of 9/11 and how Iraq is really connected to terrorists no matter what the commission says, some frail minds might be coerced
Posted by: 9:35
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well, diehard Bushies are unaffected, diehard Kerriers are unaffected ... it's the swing voters they're trying to get anyway...
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i seriously do not understand the stubbornness of people that feel they have some kind of obligation to defend the president, even when he's clearly wrong on so many things... it shouldn't be a partisan issue, it should be a common sense issue.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
It seems very interesting that almost all independent online polls show Kerry gaining the upperhand in the debates ... or maybe I'm not looking in the right sites, y'know, the ones Reps visit
Posted by: Shalome
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It seems very interesting that almost all independent online polls show Kerry gaining the upperhand in the debates ... or maybe I'm not looking in the right sites, y'know, the ones Reps visit |
Well, all major news outlets are proclaiming Kerry the winner. Some say "by a slim margin," others say "by a wide margin," but no one is saying Bush won.
This includes the Drudge Report, the National Review, the New York Post, and other conservative outlets. Even Fox News commentators chokingly admitted that Kerry won last night, until they received their new set of Republican talking points to spin the debate with.
From the National Review, bastion of conservative punditry:
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Don’t shoot the messenger... ’cause this assessment’s grim. I thought Kerry did very, very well; and I thought Bush did poorly — much worse than he is capable of doing. Listen: If I were just a normal guy — not Joe Political Junkie — I would vote for Kerry. On the basis of that debate, I would. If I were just a normal, fairly conservative, war-supporting guy: I would vote for Kerry. On the basis of that debate.
And I promise you that no one wants this president reelected more than I. I think that he may want it less.
Let me phrase one more time what I wish to say: If I didn't know anything — were a political naïf, being introduced to the two candidates for the first time — I would vote for Kerry. Based on that infernal debate.
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From the New York Post:
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Kerry seemed far better prepared than Bush, ready to counter the president's points while Bush often repeated himself and at times seemed at a loss for words or defensive. The president even audibly sighed at times.
By the time the debate was over, it seemed clear that Kerry had given himself a new lease on life and guaranteed that the campaign has a long way to run.
Kerry was rated the clear winner in a CNN/Gallup poll immediately after the debate. It found that 53 percent said Kerry won the debate, compared with 37 percent who gave the nod to Bush.
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From CNN:
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In a CNN/USA Today/Gallup survey of 615 registered voters who watched the debate, most said Kerry did the better job and almost half said the debate made them think more favorably of Kerry.
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From ABC:
http://ybean.com/shalome/boards_stuff/ABCdebate.GIF
From The BBC:
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Early reaction from TV voter panels suggests that Mr Kerry had the better of the exchanges, but the debate did not immediately change voters' minds.
BBC Washington correspondent Justin Webb reports that everyone agrees that no knock-out blow was delivered - but it is generally felt that Senator Kerry performed above expectations and President Bush was slightly off his best form.
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http://ybean.com/shalome/boards_stuff/debate.jpg
From MSNBC:
http://ybean.com/shalome/boards_stuff/msnbc.jpg
From Fox News: Kerry Leaves Good Impression on Undecided
Posted by: Shalome
Aaaaaaaand for a totally biased source and (and one of the many reasons I love living in California, Governator or no...):
LA Times Poll:
http://ybean.com/shalome/boards_stuff/latimes.jpg
Posted by: Ocean
republicans are voting for the man, not the ideas, or the intelligence, or the record.
republicans think that a great cheerleader equates a winning coach.
Posted by: Gunslinger
Republicans think?
*chuckle*
Posted by: NyGulkuk
A REVEALING DEBATE
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"AMERICANS NEEDED the clash of ideas they heard Thursday night from President Bush and John Kerry. In their reasoned, substantive debate on foreign policy and national security, Bush and Kerry did something that is indispensable in a mature democracy: They made themselves accountable to the public.
Kerry won the debate primarily because he was able to describe in clear terms the avoidable blunders Bush has made in Iraq, in the campaign against Osama bin Laden, in permitting North Korea to reprocess the plutonium for several nuclear weapons, and in pursing policies that have divided America's allies and united its enemies.
Bush was unable to produce convincing responses to Kerry's criticism not because the president lacks verbal dexterity but because there is no good answer to give. There is no credible way to explain what Kerry correctly called Bush's error of invading Iraq "without a plan to win the peace."
When Kerry cited Bush's foolish disregard for the warning the Army chief of staff, General Eric Shinseki, gave in public about the needed troop levels for Iraq -- and when Kerry alluded to the administration's vindictive early retirement of the general -- Bush had no explanation to offer, nowhere to hide."
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Posted by: TheeMon
after this is all said and done can someone gimme cliff notez plz?
Posted by: Gunslinger
Getting someone else to do your research for you again?
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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after this is all said and done can someone gimme cliff notez plz?
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You should really make the effort to be proactive in your quest for the "right" candidate ... the mentality of having someone else think and analyze for them is why Bush has suckered so many Americans ...
Watch the debate for yourself and decide:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/...storyId=4055740
If you can't decide after watching that debate, watch the next two ... if after that you still can't decide, ask your mother who she'll vote for ... then vote the opposite side, haha...
Posted by: TheeMon
all the stuff takes too long and is boring as ****... i cant listen to them, hell i can barely stand to have them on the tv for however long it takes to switch threw the 10+ channels that shit is on...
i wanna be informed and vote n shit but i just wanna know what all there for w/o having to listen to the stupid people, there old and one looks like a monkey 
Posted by: AltronHGX
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all the stuff takes too long and is boring as ****...
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Since you obviously don't care enough to learn about THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE RUNNING OUR COUNTRY, I suggest not voting in the first place. You don't need to.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
well, I'm afraid even a "gist" of what each candidate stands for might be too long for you to read, Thee
If you want an oversimplified way to look at it:
If you are happy with how America is seen and run right now, and you don't want anything to change in the slightest, and actually want more of the same, go vote for Bush.
If you have a feeling of dissatisfaction with how America is seen and run right now, and want something done with it, vote for change, vote for Kerry.
Simple enough?
Posted by: Shalome
Okay, Thee, I tell you what.
I'm voting for John Kerry. I could tell you why, but you'd be really, really bored by it or you wouldn't know what I'm talking about because you don't follow politics or world issues.
Here's some (extremely simplified) reasons why I believe you shouldn't vote for George Bush.- George Bush wants to make things better for rich people and big companies that already have a lot of money.
- He is taking money away from public schools and making them worse.
- He is making it easier for companies to pollute the environment.
- The rest of the world doesn't like him.
- He is very religious and wants public funding of religious schools, organized prayer in public schools, and he wants to make it so women can't get abortions even if they need them for medical reasons.
- He is holding back some kinds of medical research because his religion doesn't believe in it.
- He wants your tax dollars to fund church programs (which is illegal under the Constitution).
- He wants to make it easier for the government to spy on US citizens.
- He wants to make it easier for the police to search you and your stuff.
- He supports long jail sentences for minor drug violations.
Oh, and George Bush will never legalize marijuana, which I know is a big deal to you, TheeMon..
Posted by: 9:35
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i wanna be informed and vote n shi
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CLEARLY YOU DONT
Thats like saying "I want to make a hamburger, but I don't want to use a grill and I don't want to buy any meat or even a bun cause those are expensive but BOY AM I HUNGRY!"
Posted by: 9:35
Oh, and to counter Shalome, here are some reasons why you shouldn't vote for John Kerry:- He may or may not have deserved one out of his five war medals, depending on whether you believe some HONEST American veterans who never served with him, or the LIBERAL SCUMBAGS who hung out with him in Vietnam
- He is running against the President of the United States, which means he isn't very patriotic for not trusting the president
- His wife came from Africa
- He will be the first French president
- John Kerry looks French
- FREEDOM FRIES
Posted by: Canis Lupus
you forgot two points:
- mixed messages x 25 times
- wrong war, wrong place, wrong time x 10 times
those were essentially the crux of Bush's entire argument in the last debate, with sighs and an open mouth (for 5-10 seconds) thrown into the mix...
Expect more of the same in the next two ... he'll try hard to link "war on terror" in all of those debates - hell, he'll probably link anti-abortion laws to the war on terror, just you see
Posted by: 9:35
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you forgot two points:
- mixed messages x 25 times
- wrong war, wrong place, wrong time x 10 times
those were essentially the crux of Bush's entire argument in the last debate, with sighs and an open mouth (for 5-10 seconds) thrown into the mix...
Expect more of the same in the next two ... he'll try hard to link "war on terror" in all of those debates - hell, he'll probably link anti-abortion laws to the war on terror, just you see |
I'm not expecting anything from Geroge Bush over the next two debates, especially the town hall debate. Unscripted answers don't work well with Dubya.
Posted by: Ocean
thee, if you live in ohio. vote for kerry.
one uninformed kerry voter is insignificant compared to the millions of uninformed bush voters.
(oh, and the date for ohioan voter registration is monday oct 4th)
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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thee, if you live in ohio. vote for kerry.
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yeah, after Ohio has lost more than 200,000 jobs since Bush took office and has an unemployment rate of more than 6 percent under his reign, I would think it's time for a change...
Posted by: TheeMon
i wouldnt mind reading it all if it were all nice and neat(bulleted n sht) laggy but i cant stand listening to them on tv...
+++ shal its not THAT big of a deal, just one thing that actually affects me...
++ good thing to know ocean
Posted by: marioze53
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You should really make the effort to be proactive in your quest for the "right" candidate ... the mentality of having someone else think and analyze for them is why Bush has suckered so many Americans ...
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In other words vote Kerry?
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Oh, and to counter Shalome, here are some reasons why you shouldn't vote for John Kerry:
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Upon first glance, I almost thought you were being sincere.
After watching the debate, I was more confused about foreign policy than ever before. Bush had always been portrayed as reluctant to act in agreement with the UN (ie Iraq). Whereas Kerry has stressed the need to get other countries involved in military coalitions. Yet, when it comes to the issue of Korea, they seemed to switch sides. It was Bush who supported talks with China and Russia to pursuade Korea to dissarm (or at the very least stop pursuing WMD's) whereas Kerry seemed less interested in international opinion. If anything, they seem to have rather similar foreign policies yet disagree on where those particular policies apply. Based on what I saw on thursday, IMO the only real difference between Bush and Kerry (save studdering) were the applications of the same policy.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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In other words vote Kerry?
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In other words, those who don't question the issues and make the effort to analyze them tend to stay with any incumbent without actually knowing why... it's called lazy votes...
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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After watching the debate, I was more confused about foreign policy than ever before. Bush had always been portrayed as reluctant to act in agreement with the UN (ie Iraq). Whereas Kerry has stressed the need to get other countries involved in military coalitions. Yet, when it comes to the issue of Korea, they seemed to switch sides. It was Bush who supported talks with China and Russia to pursuade Korea to dissarm (or at the very least stop pursuing WMD's) whereas Kerry seemed less interested in international opinion.
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That's because Bush wants other people to handle North Korea since he's intent on pursuing the Iraqi occupation for the long term ... it's no more an effort to get other nations involved than it is to let other people handle things he doesn't want to handle himself.
Let's face it. Bush hates extended efforts at diplomacy coz he's so bad at it. He wants the so-called "multilateral" approach to North Korea because he wants other countries to handle it, and if it fails, he can claim that the US has nothing to do with the failure. The bilateral talks that were in place before his tenure in office has actually slowed down North Korea's nuclear proliferation and kept it in check. As soon as he took office, he decided to refuse to talk with North Korea anymore and decided to let other people handle it. How can you demand a country disarm itself yet refuse to talk to them directly, and instead have other people do the dirty work, while you concentrate on a country that is a lesser threat? And it's not that those multilateral talks are working either - North Korea has more WMDs than before...
If someone demands that you stop doing something, yet doesn't want to talk to you directly coz he's too busy, and instead tells an acquaintance of yours to talk to you instead, how would you feel?
In as much as Bush repeatedly accused Kerry of "mixed messages" in his confused diatribes during the debate, both candidates are guilty of it. But Bush is so busy at repeatedly pointing out how bad his opponent's position(s) is that he failed to really clarify his own position regarding international policy, aside from "working hard" and "we're gonna win this"... several times...
This is the incumbent who started off the next day by accusing his opponent of wanting other countries to make the decisions of this country's military. If you're bent on attacking a country on a PRE-EMPTIVE strike, a country that did not attack you, one that you only suspected of having WMDs, then you SHOULD get international approval. The US should not be above international law, where it can invade any country it suspects as the "enemy" without consulting other nations.
If the US wants to do what it wants regardless of what its allies think, it would be better to get out of the United Nations, dissolve all treaties, and build our own Roman Empire...
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Well, at least we have one theory on Bush's pauses during the debate
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=3562
Would probably be a good thing to check Cheney on the 5th, hehe...
Posted by: oderus1671
heres my take on things. i feel that kerry is another "run of the mill" politician. hes very well spoken, is fast with answers, but bush seems to be more "human", not sounding like a political machine. i am happy with bush, and im glad that bush was in office on 9/11 than gore. bush did what he could with what he had. if gore was pres, he would try to give bin laden a hug and then tell the US that he attacked because they are oppressed and throw some money at him.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
We respect your take. It's very descriptive of many people who support Bush, to accept all the mistakes he made, and will make in the future, coz he's "human" Bush is a politician too, y'know. He's not an innocent old man with the whole world against him - he led America to war, and lied about why he did it.
As for the Gore comment, I agree. He was almost as incompetent as Bush. Although I wouldn't agree about the whole "Bin Laden" hugging thing ... that would be a Republican ad.
But Gore was four years ago, and Gore isn't running against Bush right now. I suggest you get an updated ballot
Posted by: NyGulkuk
All of my son's friends who have been serving in Iraq say they are voting for Kerry...
Of course they aren't officers, they're the ones in the line of fire.
Posted by: IceBreaker
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yes - so much so in fact that as governor of Texas he would sign off death warrants even when there was sufficient evidence to clear the convict of all guilt. You're right, that's very human (...)
Not to mention Bush cutting on social welfare to fund tax cuts for the wealthy. "Robin Hood" of the 21st century, perhaps. Very "compassionate" (one of junior's favourite words, yet he seems to ignore the meaning) If that is being human, then better vote for a "political machine", I say..
By the way, here's an interesting article I found concerning the slippery slope that Human Rights have been sliding down ever since the december 2000 coup d'etat - every innocent citizen should feel directly concerned ;-) The story goes back quite a few years ago (in fact, it all started before junior came into power) but towards the end of the article we see how the Bush administration played a key part in the scandal; The article dates back to december 2002 & the case wasn't over at this time. More recent articles can be found regarding the outcome. In the end, the victim lost the case & the Bush administration prevailed *surprise*...
I highlighted the key words
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Something to cheer up the gloomy topic
Here's something funny from Andy Borowitz entitled "Sneak Preview! The Cheney-Edwards Debate":
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PLANNING for the 2004 vice presidential debate is already under way. In an attempt to level the playing field, Senator John Edwards's image will be digitally altered to make him 40 percent less "hot looking," and Vice President Dick Cheney will be on a five-second delay. Finally, each man has submitted a wish list of questions to ask the other during the high-stakes face-off.
QUESTIONS FOR DICK CHENEY
1. Former Senator Alfonse D'Amato has suggested President Bush dump you from the ticket. What's your response to him, in two words?
2. If Halliburton and the Carlyle Group both invited you to the movies on the same night, who would you go with?
3. Over the past four years, how many days would you say you spent above ground?
4. Describe in detail your favorite high-impact aerobics routine.
5. Didn't "Fahrenheit 9/11" totally rock?
6. Exactly when did you remove Kenneth Lay from your online buddy list?
7. If there really are no plans to reinstitute the draft, why did you just request a sixth deferment?
8. Is it true that you wept during Darth Vader's death scene?
9. If anything happened to you while serving a second term, would George Bush be fit to be president?
10. Here's something I've always wondered: Does the other side of your mouth work?
QUESTIONS FOR JOHN EDWARDS
1. Who made the final out in the 1954 World Series?
2. What do you have that Dick Gephardt doesn't have, besides eyebrows?
3. Agree/disagree with the following statement: "Litigators are opportunistic leeches who are sucking the lifeblood from our nation's economy."
4. On average, how many times a day do you check yourself out in shiny surfaces?
5. Is it true that your son, Jack, said of Senator Kerry, "Daddy, please don't make me play with that weird old guy anymore"?
6. On the night Neil Armstrong stepped onto the moon, which pajamas were you wearing, the ones with the cowboys or the ones with the ducks?
7. What's your secret to remaining fully conscious when Senator Kerry is speaking?
8. What's Malibu Barbie really like?
9. If, as you say, there are two Americas, which one is your vacation home in?
10. Do you have any idea how late it is? This is a school night.
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Posted by: laborat
Another attempt at humor with this topic. At a Chili Fest in Lupus over the weekend, one of the groups playing did the most amazing satire of Bush I have heard yet. The song itself was to "Deep in the Heart of Texas" but used the words, "Sleezy little, Cheezy little, Weasel from Texas. It was hilarious and earned the group a rousing standing ovation from the crowd. Soon as I get the words I will post them here for all to see, and perhaps sing themselves if the opportunity presents itself. I certainly will be learning the song and performing it.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
I think the vice presidential debate was a LOT better and more insightful than the first presidential debate ... if there's ever any doubt as to who is really running the country, Bush or Cheney, that debate should show it (hehe j/k). Cheney presented more revealing and articulate answers as to the administration's positions, and even though I don't agree with most of them, they were clearer and more informative than what we got from Bush.
I think the debate was a draw, as both candidates try to skirt really tough questions.
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