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Possible New Computer ??
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Posted by: Military
Okay guys ... These are the specs for a new computer I would like to purchase ... I was wondering if these parts will all work together .. what else I need and if they are good? Btw I want to overclock the processor so I got 1 GB of name brand memory ... lemme know what u think ... all advice is welcomed thx guys!!
Hard Drive
Name- Western Digital 80GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model WD800JD, OEM Drive Only
Price- $67
Website- http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-135-106&depa=1
Processor
Name- AMD Mobile Athlon XP 2400+, 266 MHz FSB, 512K L2 Cache Processor, 35 Watt- OEM
Price- $84
Website- http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-103-439&depa=1
Mother Board
Name- ABIT "NF7-S" nForce2 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU -RETAIL
Price- $82.90
Website- http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-127-166&depa=1
Video Card
Name- SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9800 PRO Video Card, 128MB DDR, 256-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP -BULK -OEM
Price- $189
Website- http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-102-268&depa=1
CD-Rom
Name- Rosewill 52x32x52x16 CD-RW Black Combo Drive, Model C523216B, Retail
Price- $35
Website- http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProdu...-190-003&depa=0
Heatsink
Name- THERMALRIGHT XP-90 ALUMINUM HEATPIPE HEATSINK FOR INTEL/AMD
Price- $37.99
Website- http://svc.com/xp-90-21.html
Thermal Paste
Name- ARCTIC SILVER 5 THERMAL COMPOUND - 3.5 GRAM TUBE
Price- $5.99
Website- http://store.yahoo.com/svcompucycle/arsi5hiplsit.html
Computer Case
Name- ANTEC Performance Plus Case with 430W Power Supply, Model "PLUS1080AMG" -RETAIL
Price- $114
Website- http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-129-115&depa=1
Floppy Drive
Name- SONY Black 1.44MB 3.5inch Floppy Disk Drive, Model MPF920
Price- $6.99
Website- http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-103-116&depa=0
Memory
Name- pqi TURBO Series Dual Channel Platinum Kit 184-Pin 1GB(512MB x 2) DDR PC-3200 - OEM
Price- $247.25
Website- http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-141-148&depa=0
TOTAL- $ Shipping and Handling - $
Total with shipping and handling- $
-Mil
Posted by: shadow4060
Hay i dont work here but i know a thang or two about cpu's I have a grate cpu and it has a few of the thangs that you are looking at like the radeon 9600 PRO(This thang will run everything no prob)good luk.
Posted by: zorg
I think that all looks fine, Although I might ask if there is a reason you aer steering clear of the AMD64 processor? I think you can buy a bit of a smaller cpu and then clock it? Just wondering, but rest of it looks good. Although I am a asus mobo man myself 
Posted by: Bix VT
You won't be able to overclock very far at all using that ram, you will need HyperX or a high clocked ram or both. I'd reccomend PC4000, that way you're sure that your ram won't be the limiting factor in your system (not with a non-mobile Barton anyway)
Oh, and I agree with the A64 statement...I have one and it's faster than any P4 I have ever used.
However, if you are going to be doing gaming, I would reccomend a better video card than the 9600. You'll probably be very pleased with the 9800PRO on sale at Newegg...less than $200 (USD) and it'll run anything you throw at it.
Posted by: Military
okay, i updated the specs lemme know what u think now .. I can't go to expensive though =)
Posted by: Bix VT
looks like a great overclocking rig except that cpu won't fit on that motherboard...
and also, you may want to drop the extra $35 or so on an aftermarket hsf...you will notice a HUGE difference.
Posted by: Military
would this MB work ?
Mother Board
Name- ASUS "K8N" NVIDIA nForce3 Chipset Motherboard For AMD Socket 754 CPU -RETAIL
Price- $89
Website- http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-131-512&depa=1
or
Mother Board #2
Name- ABIT "KV8 Pro" K8T800 Pro Chipset Motherboard for AMD Athlon64 CPU -RETAIL
Price- $96
Website- http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProdu...-127-178&depa=1
and does HSF mean heatsink / fan ? and how could i drop 35?
Posted by: quiksilver87
yes it means heatsink fan...he doesnt mean drop the money as in take it off he means....drop it on the HSF!(I think...)...if you are going to o/c you should definitely go with a better HSF than the stock! search around in newegg or svc.com or somewhere for one that is compatible with your CPU....I think both of those motherboards you linked are compatible from what the reviews have said...
Here is a HSF you can get for overclocking you cpu...it is compatible with your cpu!
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-106-038&depa=1
This one comes with its own fan and fan controller!
30$(+ shipping)...you might want to get some Arcrtic silver 5 thermal paste(lowers cpu temps by a lot) also....around 10$(shipping included)...look it up at newegg.com
Ummm one more thing about your case that you are getting
it is a ripoff from where you have it linked too....try newegg. Its PSU doesnt seem to also be very good...
If you have questions about overclocking...you can visit extremeoverclocking.com . They are very knowledgeable about what HSF to get when it comes to overclocking...They might say that the venus 12 isnt good compared to other heatsinks but it is the best for its PRICE!
Posted by: Bix VT
I personally have that HSF on my A64 3200+, it works great! I love it. And yeah, when I said drop $35 on a different hsf I meant spend an extra $35...but apparently they lowered their prices at Newegg since I bought mine...and yes, definately get some AS5 as well if you plan on overclocking, as it will lower your temps by at least 5C.
Both of those motherboards are from good manufacturers, but I don't have any experience with either of them. I have the DFI mobo with the 250gb chipset, and it's really sweet, I mean this board has more overclocking options than any other board I have ever used. However, I also hear good things about the epox 754 board...
Posted by: redwench
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Originally Posted by quiksilver87
Ummm one more thing about your case that you are getting
it is a ripoff from where you have it linked too....try newegg. Its PSU doesnt seem to also be very good...
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of course, i linked the site for investigative purposes. make sure you research your models and prices at other sites. PSU is undersized (the antec sites spec page was down), youll need a case with a 350W or more supply. although ive never heard anyone accuse antec of putting out lousy power supplies........
for the same price, heres one that has the 350W supply and the cooling slots for overclocking. but its exterior drive bays are limited, so count carefully 
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-129-125&depa=1
Posted by: Bix VT
I wouldn't reccomend that case for overclocking, not enough cooling. I'd suggest something with at least 2 rear, 1 side, 1 front fan. I currently have 2 side fans and 2 rear fans pushing a total of 128cfm of air, it keeps my case at the same temp as the room.
Posted by: redwench
it might not be ideal, but 3 rear slots and 2 front ones can move enough air to cool just fine. if more cooling than that is needed, youll need a server tower.
my ugly ass case has no cooling issues. probably overkill for you though, not to mention out of your price range 
Posted by: Bix VT
planning on burning 6 copies of one cd at once?
The reason I suggest side fans is because then you get the cold airflow right where you need it: along the video card and cpu. not to mention the nb.
Posted by: Military
okay, this is the latest post on the new computer specs !!!! Please tell me what u think !!! i must know?!?! thx =D
Posted by: redwench
nope 
actually, i have my junk in every other bay. one of the hard drives is also in an outside bay, for cooling. the real purpose is that i can install and uninstall hardware relatively easily without touching anything else.
i know the purpose for side fans, and i do agree. but its not the end of the world as long as the total air flow is good enough, and the case/ps is about half the cost of a lian-li with an antec ps.
although, why are we trying to get him to overclock a 64 3000? he can just run it at stock and itll be idle most of the time. overclocking a 2400/266 fsb made sense, but not a 64 bit 3000/400 fsb
Posted by: Bix VT
because overclocking anything is a good idea, you get more for your money that way. Plus, might as well be an A64, that way you get the blazing speeds.
It all looks good except for two things: the gfx card and the case. The case doesnt have enough cooling, and the graphics card...you would get better frame rates out of a 9800PRO, plus it's about $5 cheaper at Newegg. here's a link to a nice one: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-102-268&depa=1
the only thing is, you'll have to wait until Newegg gets them in stock again...but trust me, it's worth it.
Posted by: redwench
eh, hes got a budget. he can definitely hit it if he doesnt overclock. but the high end ram and larger case are going to shoot that cost up, heatsink isnt that much.
Posted by: Bix VT
ram is the big one, certainly. you don't need a huge case, just one with enough cooling...I got mine for $25 on ebay, then bought the PSU separately.
Posted by: taco_fox
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Originally Posted by Bix VT
because overclocking anything is a good idea, you get more for your money that way.
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Perhaps you didn't notice this, but everyone is recommending buying more expensive equipment for the sole purpose of overclocking  . Overclocking really stopped being about saving money quite a while ago
Posted by: Military
what case do u guys recommend link plz?
Posted by: Military
okay, i updated my specs yet once more ..... i had to go w/ something cheaper ... tell me what u think about this ... i need to know what case i should use / and how many / which fans i should get alone w/ if the case has a psu if that's good enuff for it ... and if it doesn't which one should i get .. thx
i was wondering if this case would be sufficient http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-129-115&depa=1
Posted by: redwench
the only concern there would be to make sure the power supply is an antec, which it is. looks like it comes with a side and 2 rear, with room for another couple in the front.
check the specs on antecs site: http://www.antec-inc.com/Detail.bok...total=14&no=136
if thats affordable for you, certainly will do very well.
Posted by: Ion Silverbolt
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Originally Posted by redwench
it might not be ideal, but 3 rear slots and 2 front ones can move enough air to cool just fine. if more cooling than that is needed, youll need a server tower.
my ugly ass case has no cooling issues. probably overkill for you though, not to mention out of your price range |
Holy crap. What do you power that with? A warp core generator? :P
Posted by: Bix VT
that antec case looks perfect. It'll give plenty of cooling, and a 430watt antec PSU will be able to handle just about any overclock you can throw at it. Very good PSU, I had one myself for quite a while, very stable voltages.
Posted by: redwench
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Holy crap. What do you power that with? A warp core generator? :P
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current has a 350W [hey, its over 4 years old], new one will have an 480 truepower.
Posted by: quiksilver87
ok...I dont know why you switched back to the other processor...get the 64-bit...if your into gaming which i presume because of the graphics card....
Your graphics card is the best card on the market today for cost to performance ratio...IMO...very good choice!
you can save 5$ on your Arctic silver right here:
http://store.yahoo.com/svcompucycle/arsi5hiplsit.html
And redwench i remember reading somewhere that only the truepower was the only top of the line PSU from antec....i dunno im not liking that case....it doesnt seem have any good things to it.....
It isnt very cheap...not very good cooling....not very good PSU....not to mention not very nice looking(IMO.... )
crazy heatsink...not sure if it will fit your CPU though! may have to double check on that...if you go with the socket 754 64-bit....id try the xp-90
http://svc.com/xp-90-21.html
couldnt find it on newegg...
edit: holy crap....i didnt see the second page to the thread...im so stupid.!!!!
Posted by: quiksilver87
the case NEW case looks fine....the power supply is a true power....look at the photo! VERY nice cooling....you want to buy 2 extra fans since it fits 5!
Posted by: redwench
afaik, all antec power supplies are of good quality. most users wont need the features found in their better models like smartpower and truepower, although theyre nice to have. i have no problems recommending the cheapest ps antec makes to someone on a budget, although the one we were refering to is not
Posted by: Bix VT
the 430 should be sufficient for just about any user as long as you dont go crazy with high cfm fans and 12 optical drives...
Posted by: Military
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKAY ........... lol a new update on the specs ... i went back to this processor cuz you can overclock it like crazy i hear, also... i need something cheaper and i updated the thermal paste / heatsink that i hope will fit / uhhhhhh and that should be it ... btw ... what kinda fans should i get? link ?
Posted by: Bix VT
hahahaha! yeah I had that same cpu, it will go as far as you can cool it. it's
I love it.
Posted by: redwench
i wouldnt worry so much about overclocking your cpu if youre buying a 64 bit. it wont be necessary for some time. focus your money on stuff you wont be upgrading for at least 2 years, particularly if youve never build a computer before. ocing comes after youre familiar with the hardware and how it performs.
oh, dont forget to check prices elsewhere. newegg has good ones, but sometimes you can get better deals on sale or whatnot.
Posted by: Military
what sites can i look under for better prices?
Posted by: Ion Silverbolt
http://froogle.google.com
Search an item there. You'll get prices on the item from several different vendors.
Posted by: Bix VT
I usually just use Newegg because they are reliable, give you the cpu stepping so you're sure you are gettign axactly what you want, and they ship fast and reliably.
Posted by: Military
okay, i froogled everything and there are sites where i can get everything like 2 dollars off everything but newegg is the most reliable so i figure i'll just go w/ newegg i'd only save like $10 neways ... but for the memory ... pqi TURBO Series Dual Channel Platinum Kit 184-Pin 1GB(512MB x 2) DDR PC-3200 - OEM there are 2 diff ones a huge price difference ... the one pqi has a cas latency of 2-2-2-5 and it's $247 and the other is 2.5-3-3-7 and it's only $166 ... i was wondering if i should save like $80 and go w/ the $166 pqi ... should i do that ? or no?
Posted by: redwench
you cant seem to decide if youre going to overclock, or save money. you wont be able to do both and get reasonable performance. youre going to have to pick one. if you overclock, youre really going to have to get the low latency dimms.
Posted by: Bix VT
Not to mention if you want a decent fsb overclock, you will really need a higher clock speed out of your ram. I would reccomend PC4000, or, at the VERY least, PC3700.
Posted by: redwench
has he switched cpus again? i dont think the 266 is going to overclock beyond the 3200 ram.
Posted by: taco_fox
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has he switched cpus again? i dont think the 266 is going to overclock beyond the 3200 ram.
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the default FSB on a CPU has very little to do with determining the maximum FSB overclock. I also have a 266 chip, but it goes up to 480-500
Posted by: Bix VT
very true, my XP-m 2400 went to a nice 233fsb, and the inly reason I didn't go further is my ram was limiting my fsb.
and taco, I'm really hoping that your 480-500 numbers are the fsb and not the sys bus...because that would be unreal.
Posted by: taco_fox
240-250MHz doubled
Posted by: Military
i am .. really really really confused right now ........... what should i do????
Posted by: FadedMaster
Mil it looks like you won't be able to overclock, you don't know enough anyways, and I'll admit it, neither do I. I don't wanna mess around with overclocking. You should just go with saving money.
Posted by: Military
i have no ****ing idea what to do .....................
Posted by: armystud0911
Don't loose heart, I would highly recommend that you get the 64 bit cpu, 9800 pro and maybe this ram http://www.newegg.com/app/viewprodu...-145-440&DEPA=0 corsair is very nice. As for the case, just surf around for one that has moderate cooling, (side fans are good) but you can really go cheap if you need to I used this one http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-156-019&depa=1 and it cools really well if put some fans in front. Then you can just get a separate power supply, this one looks good http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-103-907&depa=0 and now you have saved $70 bucks in the case department and $100 in memory.
BTW, it would be nice to get a budget so we can better guage what to get.
Posted by: Bix VT
Overclocking is very easy, all you have to do is turn up the fsb in the bios. more advanced stuff like the vcore and ratios come later.
Posted by: redwench
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Overclocking is very easy, all you have to do is turn up the fsb in the bios.
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no one said it was difficult. just not particularly cost effective unless you already have a chip and motherboard lying around that you dont care if it burns up
Posted by: quiksilver87
some people dont really think there is much of a risk! IM sure BIX cares about his geforce 6800 ultra and his CPU....
Posted by: redwench
if you know what youre doing, there is a small risk. if you dont know what youre doing, the risk increases quite dramatically. and i am sure bix has cooked at least one component over the years ^^
Posted by: quiksilver87
thats true...and thats why i am NOT o/cing!!!!
Posted by: Bix VT
hehehe, lets not go into the stuff that I've fried...
good times...
btw I have never overclocked my 6800 or my A64...they haven't been stable enoguh yet.
and military: you should listen to both sides of the argument and decide which is right for you...the risk involved is moderate at most if you read up on it enough, but be warned, overclocking takes a great deal of research to do properly.
Posted by: Military
i don't have the experience nor the money to take the risk of overclocking .. that why i'm choosing to go w/ cpu that is decent / cheap / fast .... you can see it under 'The Final Produc'
Posted by: quiksilver87
ahh ok...i get you...if so go for it man! If you are really interested in doing some crazy o/cing i would advise extremeoverclocking.com! but for now stick with some minor o/cing...
That proc would do just fine for you then....just be real careful! it still costs money!
Posted by: redwench
of course, if you go with a 64, you can overclock later when you get more experience working with it and more money to play around
Posted by: armystud0911
exactly, with the 64, your out of the box clock speed is about what the maximum speed you will get out of the 2400. You'd have to OC it about 25% in order to reach the stardard, speed of the 64 bit. Plus, you will bottleneck your 9800Pros performance with a 2400, even OC'd! Example, I ran my 6800 on my dual 2.00GHZ Xeon system and got 28fps on farcry, with my AMD 2500 barton (OC'd to 3400), I got 35fps and on my roommates Athlon 64 3400 I got 40.5. A 6800's bottleneck speed is over 4GHz, and the 9800Pro's is about at LEAST 3.2. Thats a huge performance increase.
Posted by: Bix VT
the 2400 will overclock until armageddon, but the A64 will kick some serious booty. I've had both, and they are very different. it's like the difference between a ferrari and a caddy. both have huge merit, but to different people.
Posted by: redwench
dunno, id say the 2400 is a bit old now, at least if youre going to build a system around it. youd have to oc the system close to 40% to beat the stock speed of the 64 3000 overall, because of the huge fsb difference. which is certainly doable, but doesnt leave much room for going further. now, if you had a 2400 or an nforce2 board lying around, it would probably be worth doing.
Posted by: taco_fox
I'm pretty suprised how many people on this site overclock. I used to be the only one who would give advice
Posted by: redwench
you still are
well, at least with the specific stuff. suggesting components is quite different from telling them how to do it ^^
Posted by: Bix VT
but my point was this: the 2400 mobile is for the people that want to see how far they can take a chip, the people who overclock more for fun than function. while the A64 is for people who want straight-up speed, whether or not you overclock.
Posted by: quiksilver87
hence, it comes down to the question....
what it the MAIN purpose of the pc??? Gaming?? o/cing???
if you want both...i would suggest the A64!
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