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Dual Core CPU's for 2005
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Posted by: Ion Silverbolt
XBit Labs has an article up on Dual Core CPU's. The future of PC processors.
One of the major events of the upcoming year 2005 in the CPU market should inevitably be the release of the dual-core processor architecture. To cut the long story short, the idea behind dual-core CPUs is very simple. One processor physically based around a single semiconductor die will feature two equally functional processor cores.
In other words, it will be a dual-processor system packed into a single processor casing. Right now the processor developers consider this way of increasing the processors performance and functionality to be very promising. As a result, not only the two leading CPU developers, such as AMD and Intel, but also the VIA Company are planning to start introducing single-silicon dual-core CPUs in the upcoming year 2005.
Posted by: Ocean
when strained silicon reaches its Mhz limits, multiple cores will be the only way to increase cpu performance.
bout damn time. w00t
Posted by: xwxjncoxwx
Unless they start making it out of a different material or something... >< maybe like, bio-genetic materials or something sci-fi like that!
mmm new technology, Sounds expensive ><
Posted by: Sn0w
they will find something new to make processors in order to increase speed while keeping heat done....Dual core could be one way FOR now but no doubt they will find new materials
Posted by: IceBreaker
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Originally Posted by Ion Silverbolt
To cut the long story short, the idea behind dual-core CPUs is very simple. One processor physically based around a single semiconductor die will feature two equally functional processor cores.
In other words, it will be a dual-processor system packed into a single processor casing.
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...and with a dual price to match, no doubt..
I call on all single-wallet consumers to boycott this hell-$pawned abomination http://forum.presence-pc.com/icones/smilies/fou.gif
Posted by: Ion Silverbolt
As long as Intel and AMD keep getting in pssing matches over CPU prices, we win.
Posted by: REv9k
We hit the limits every few years. New processes just keep on getting invented. This probably won't be a problem for quite some time.
Posted by: TwiztidJuggalo
also we might have to pay more money for cooling too, since there's basically 2 processors in 1, that means double the heat in the same area as 1 processor. More heat to remove, more power to remove it with, possibly more money
-matt
Posted by: taco_fox
On page 5 it says the announced dual-core Opteron will have a heat dissipation of "only" 95W. That's pretty much what current high-end CPUs are running
I can't wait to see how huge a dual-core A64 will be. The current ones are already pretty damn big
Posted by: Null Actor
Dual core is going to rock, a lot. Especially for people who aren't familiar with how awesome dual processing machines are... I just hope that the chipsets are robust enough to match. If they are fighting for bus bandwidth, it's going to be totally useless.
That being said, the future of processors is diamond, not silicon.
Posted by: SKYHN
Whats the expected cost of these CPUs? My guess what would be at least what the top A64 FX and P4EE are at, or higher.
Posted by: Null Actor
Great detective skills, sherlock!
Posted by: SKYHN
Why did I get the feeling I would get that kind of reply.
If both companies plan to make dual core their new mainstream, thats a mistake. $1000 for a CPU, no thanks.
Posted by: Null Actor
Everything comes down, in time.
Posted by: SKYHN
Almost a year after the P4EE came out, its still around $900 so is the A64 FX. And those 2 types of chips are the direct competition for each other.
I just see prices going up, not down. Not too many years ago the only CPUs costing almost $1000 were server CPUs.
Posted by: armystud0911
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merc...uct_Code=120166
Thats one of the better priced ones, last week I saw HP selling the same CPU for 1K more.
Posted by: redwench
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Not too many years ago the only CPUs costing almost $1000 were server CPUs.
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i must live in another world. i seem to recall a fairly high end home computer costing around 5k 10 years ago. 1k cpus were the norm for the latest model.
Posted by: SKYHN
Thats 10 years ago. Over those years, they got cheaper. Now their getting more expensive again.
Were going back in time price-wise. I never saw any DESKTOP CPU cost over $500 to $600 at the most until the P4EE and A64 came out.
Posted by: redwench
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I never saw any DESKTOP CPU cost over $500 to $600 at the most until the P4EE and A64 came out.
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someone wasnt paying attention........
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardwa...u/pentium3_550/
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20020506/p4b-05.html
http://www.epinions.com/cmd-review-...-3A236694-prod1
Posted by: Ion Silverbolt
I remember the P2 450's being the best for a long time. They started out around 980$.
Posted by: SKYHN
The timeline Im speaking of is the past 5 years. That P3 @ 450 costing $700 is the very begining of that timeline. Look at the next link, 2100+ at around $300.
The TOP of the line is always expensive, im not disputing that. The point I was making is that both AMD and Intel are going to be making dualcore the mainstream product, and looking at how much of a horendous increase in price the P4 went to when you add "EE" to the end of it or "FX" to the A64, imagine those prices when you see and "X2" next to them. Were gonna see $2000 desktop CPUs in a year or less.
Posted by: redwench
the latest and greatest cpus have generally been released at close to $1000. as the technology matures, it goes down a bit when theyre just increasing clock speed or the like [this has been the case for the last couple of years]. the next redesign again comes out at around 1k though. whether the dual cores come out at 1k or 1300 or so depends on if the actual manufacturing costs are higher or not. id be surprised if it was 1500 or more, unless some other major change happened, like switching to diamond.
im predicting between 1100-1200 for the first out of the starting gate.
Posted by: SKYHN
The cache would have to double as well, but more than likely it will more than double. And thats the main reason the price on the "EE" is so much higher than the P4.
Im sure intel has dual core EE planned. Or something similar to it at least.
Posted by: Null Actor
EE and FX chips are not mainstream processors. They are outside the bounds of mainstream desktop computing and don't factor in to costs. They are for enthusiasts that like burning money.
Posted by: IceBreaker
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imagine those prices when you see and "X2" next to them.
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hehe - in this case, the 'x' would stand for 'PRICEx2' http://forum.presence-pc.com/images/perso/666%20.gif
Posted by: taco_fox
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I'm pretty sure that's what he was insinuating http://www.tacofox.net/stuff/tardscratch.gif
Posted by: SKYHN
True the 'EE' and 'FX' are enthusiast, but they sure dont promote them as that. The only place Ive ever seen that word with one of their advertisements is their own website in the description of the product. Everytime I see magazine adverts or whatever its always "Fastest CPU A64 FX!" or similar. The only time I dont see the enthusiast chips being advertised like crazy is in the Sempron and celeron ads. Its almost like everything inbetween doesnt exist.
Look at the BS intel does with the EE, saying how hardcore gamers use that chip. That was the biggest load since that chart via put out about their hyperion drivers.
Posted by: Null Actor
Meh. Those chips aren't even easy to get. The marketing you are seeing is probably the marketing aimed directly AT enthusiasts.
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