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Need help selecting CPU
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Posted by: Elfraj
Thanks for having this forum. This is my first post.
I'm having to make do with:
Motherboard Vendor Hsing Tech Enterprise
Chipset Model SiS730 CPU to PCI Bridge
Chipset Vendor Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS)
BIOS Model AMIBIOS 062710
BIOS Vendor American Megatrends Inc.
BIOS Id 62-0425-001437-00101111-071595-SiS730S-M810LR
BIOS Date 07/15/95, Release 04/25/2001 S
and a 800 Duron CPU.
Main purpose of system is 3d gaming.
What CPU upgrades would be compatible? (Sempron? Athlon?) My existing CPU is too slow for current games. My MB uses socket A. It has both PCI and AGP slots.
I want to go economy on this, but what is my range of choices?
I plan to build a nice system fairly soon .
Posted by: Ion Silverbolt
Your best bet IMO is to tough it out. If you really can't wait, a socket A vanilla Athlon might yield some helpful improvement and you could probably get one real cheap on Ebay.
My guess would be your board will only support up to a 1Ghz Socket A Athlon. To be sure, goto the SiS site and check the last BIOS available for the motherboard. It should state the maximum CPU supported in the release notes.
Posted by: Bix VT
yeah, in order to upgrade from that setup, you would most likely need a new motherboard, which would also probably require a new PSU, and of course the new cpu. this is assuming that you have a nice graphics card already.
upgrade cost (my best guess) $300 USD at least for a good system.
Posted by: Elfraj
I'm unable to find the info on their site. or American Megatrends or Hsing sites.
http://www.sis.com/index.html
BTW, what specs determine the MB/CPU compatibility? besides socket type
Posted by: goranpaa
The speed, for instance.
The mobo can just take a CPU with a certain max speed.
In my case for ex. the Asus P4P 800 SE, can take maxiumum 3.2 gigahz Pentium 4. 800hz front side bus speed, 478 socket.
But if you want to find out stuff about your own hardware, download SIS Sandra.
And use the information modules.
Posted by: Ion Silverbolt
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Originally Posted by Elfraj
I'm unable to find the info on their site. or American Megatrends or Hsing sites.
http://www.sis.com/index.html
BTW, what specs determine the MB/CPU compatibility? besides socket type |
Check the motherboard manual and see what multipliers are available on the motherboard. It will probably tell you right there what clockspeeds it can support.
Posted by: Bix VT
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Originally Posted by goranpaa
But if you want to find out stuff about your own hardware, download SIS Sandra.
And use the information modules.
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CPU-Z and CPUID are also very handy.
Posted by: Elfraj
I have Sandra, everest and diagnose and I still can't find the max clock speed allowed by the MB
..cough. noob.. coughr..>
I don't have a manual. The MB was made before Madonna reached puberty.
Diagnose
Motherboard Information
Motherboard Vendor Hsing Tech Enterprise
Chipset Model SiS730 CPU to PCI Bridge
Chipset Vendor Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS)
BIOS Model AMIBIOS 062710
BIOS Vendor American Megatrends Inc.
BIOS Id 62-0425-001437-00101111-071595-SiS730S-M810LR
BIOS Date 07/15/95, Release 04/25/2001 S
System Enclosure or Chassis
Manufacturer Uknown Chassis Manufacture
Chassis Type Desktop
Chassis Lock Present No
Version Version 1.00
Serial Number 1234567890
Asset Tag Number 0123ABC
Boot-up State Unknown
Power Supply State Unknown
Thermal State Unknown
Security Status Unknown
Processor Info (from BIOS)
Socket Designation Sockey-A
Processor Type Central Processor
Processor Family Other
Manufacturer AMD
Procesor ID 00000631-00000055
Supported Voltage(s) 3.3, 2.9 Volts
Current Voltage 3.3 Volts
External Clock 66 MHz
Maximum Speed 1200 MHz
Current Speed 800 MHz
Processor Status CPU Socket Populated, Status Enabled
Processor Upgrade LIF Socket
L1 Cache Handle $05
L2 Cache Handle $06
L3 Cache Handle N/A
_____________________________________________________________________
Everest
--------[ Motherboard ]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Motherboard Properties:
Motherboard ID 62-0425-001437-00101111-071595-SiS730S$M810LR_Release 04/25/2001 S
Motherboard Name PCChips M810LR
Front Side Bus Properties:
Bus Type DEC Alpha EV6
Bus Width 64-bit
Real Clock 100 MHz (DDR)
Effective Clock 200 MHz
Bandwidth 1600 MB/s
Motherboard Physical Info:
CPU Sockets/Slots 1
Expansion Slots 2 PCI, 1 AGP, 1 AMR
RAM Slots 2 DIMM
Integrated Devices Audio, Video, LAN
Form Factor Micro ATX
Motherboard Chipset SiS730S
Motherboard Manufacturer:
Company Name Elitegroup Computer Systems
Product Information http://www.pcchips.com.tw/PCCWeb/Pr...nuID=16&LanID=0
BIOS Download http://www.pcchips.com.tw/PCCWeb/Do...nuID=35&LanID=0
-Sandra
<<< Mainboard Information >>>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
< System Chassis >
Manufacturer: Uknown Chassis Manufacture
Type: Desktop
Can be locked: No
Version: Version 1.00
Serial Number: 1234567890
Asset Tag: 0123ABC
< Mainboard >
Manufacturer: Hsing Tech Enterprise
MP Support: No
System BIOS: 62-0425-001437-00101111-071595-SiS730S
< Memory Controller >
Error Detection Method: ECC
Error Correction Capability: 1-bit
Supported/Current Memory Inter:1-way / 1-way
Number of Memory Slots: 4
Maximum Installable Memory: 512MB
Maximum Module Size: 128MB
Supported STD/FPM/(B)EDO Speed:70ns, 60ns
Supported Memory Types: STD, FPM, EDO, Parity, ECC, SIMM
Supported Memory Voltages: +3.3V
< Physical/BIOS Memory Banks >
ROW-0 (RASL-2 RASL-10): 256MB DIMM SDRAM double-bank
ROW-1 (RASL-0 RASL-11): 256MB DIMM SDRAM single-bank
ROW-2: Empty
ROW-3: Empty
< Chipset 1 >
Model: Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) SiS730 CPU
to PCI Bridge
Bus(es): ISA AGP PCI USB i2c/SMBus
Front Side Bus Speed: 2x 100MHz (200MHz data rate)
Maximum FSB Speed / Max Memory:2x 100MHz / 1x 100MHz
Width: 64-bit
IO Queue Depth: 3 request(s)
< Logical/Chipset 1 Memory Banks >
Bank 0: 256MB SDRAM 3-3-3-6CL
Bank 1: 256MB SDRAM 3-3-3-6CL
Width: 64-bit
Power Save Mode: No
Fixed Hole Present: No
< Memory Module(s) >
Memory Module 1: 256MB 16x(16Mx8) SDRAM PC133U-333-542 (CL3 up
to 133MHz)
Memory Module 2: American Computer & Digital Components 256MB
8x(32Mx8) SDRAM PC133U-333-5412 (CL3 up to
133MHz) (CL2 up to 100MHz)
< USB Controller 2 >
Model: Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) SiS5597/8
Universal Serial Bus Controller
Version: 1.00
Interface: OHCI
Channels: 3
Supported Speed(s): Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled: No
< System SMBus Controller 1 >
Model: SiS 5595 Internal SMBus
Advanced TCO Mode Enabled: No
Slave Device Enabled: No
PEC Support: No
< Expansion Slot(s) >
PCI1 (1h): PCI 32-bit +3.3V Shared PME Full-Length
Available (Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS)
SiS PCI to ISA Bridge (LPC Bridge))
PCI2 (2h): PCI 32-bit +3.3V Shared PME Full-Length Used
(Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) Virtual PCI
to PCI Bridge)
PCI3 (3h): PCI 32-bit +3.3V Shared PME Full-Length
< Port Connector >
USB - Def: SSA SCSI - Mini Centronics / DB-25 pin male
< is selected for more information about the
Posted by: taco_fox
if Sandra is reading the board correctly (PCChips M810LR), it looks like it can support up to an Athlon XP Palomino 2100+, but will NOT support a Tbred of any speed
Posted by: Elfraj
Q1 How can I make sure the palomino 2100+ would work? $35-75 on Ebay.
Q2 what happens if I install it and it's not supported by the MB? Can I wreck the system? Or di I just waste time and $50?
Posted by: redwench
1. look at the label somewhere on the motherboard to verify that it is what sanda says. then visit the manufacturer's site and see exactly what processors are supported for your board. purchase a cpu that is supported. http://www.pcchipsusa.com/prod-m810lr-v80.asp
2. a is possible, b is more likely.
Posted by: Elfraj
I found the Manual. From 2001
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"This mainboard has a Socket- A CPU socket for AMD K7 processors...........processors currently supported by this MB.... Athlon 650MHz-1.2Ghz, FSB: 200 MHz."
There is nothing less than a FSB 266MHz CPU in the Athlon XP line available on NewEgg or Zipzoom. I may have to go to a salvage yard.
What happens if I use a CPU with a higher FSB speed? (Just curious!!)
Posted by: Bix VT
it would probably not boot.
Posted by: redwench
assuming everything else will work, it might also just run at the lower speed.
the manual is 4 years old, the site will be much more up to date on what is supported.
Posted by: Elfraj
What do you think? Found this digging around the Net. Correct socket, FSB speed and CPU speed .
ATHLON 1.2 GHZ (1200MHZ) SOCKET A (200Mhz BUS) 256K ON DIE FULL SPEED CACHE .18 MICRON OEM VERSION PULLS
(Purchase a fan to extend the warranty from 30 days to 1 year) AMDSKTB1200OEM Ships Same-1 Day $45.00
Technical Specifications
Description: Athlon Thunderbird - 1200 MHz 200MHz/256k - OEM
Thanks for hanging in there with me. This has become an educational exercise for me. I hope to be asking you about current system specs soon, since I'm planning to build a good gaming rig fairly soon.
Posted by: redwench
its really not much of an upgrade, anything below around 2000+ wouldnt be worth the bother.
but it should work fine.
Posted by: Elfraj
Thanks for the help Red!
Posted by: Bix VT
we'll be here whenever you decide to guild a gaming rig. there are plenty of guys around here that know how to do that on a budget 
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