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Posted by: TheeMon
well as you all know most of us are straped for cash... and i was thinking maybey we could all get together and build a money makeing web page... and split the money or use the money to finanace thingys like this e3/ots meeting... now about this money idea the only thing i can really think that we can make money on is porn (ive got a sick mind)... now i cant think of anything else right now but im shure all you smart ppl out there can figure out a few more ways ta make money online to do all this stuff...
and f.y.i. ive got the porn we would need and if we deside on something else thats fine to... well i think thats it cyaz
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Well, the best way to make money is to get a decent education and then get a job ... no money-making scheme on the web can ever beat that.
If you're thinking of a "get rich quick" website, it won't happen - those kinds of sites don't exist. Take it from someone who has tried it. The only way you can make money on a website is to offer products or services that people will pay for - forget ad banners and commission links, those earn nickels and dimes, not even enough to pay for the site's hosting expenses.
Unless there is an actual product or service that you want to sell on the website, the website won't amount to much. As I said, no such thing as a half-assed money-making website. In fact, when putting up a website, you tend to LOSE money rather than gain it in the early goings (paying for hosting and domain, paying for advertising, etc). Even people with a great business strategy fold up after a couple of years being online due to the high cost of maintenance, advertising and content development.
It's a great idea to come together and start a money-making website, but the only problem will be "how do we make money?"
As for porn, yeah, it's too easy to make money with porn. But what people don't know about putting a porn site is that they are entirely HARDER to maintain, because the risk of credit card fraud is hundredfold compared to usual e-commerce websites, not to mention leaked passwords to restricted sections of the site. And to maintain a massive database in porn sites, you would need more advanced server-side scripting than what is usually used in most e-commerce sites.
Thus, I go back full circle to my first statement - the best way to earn money is to get a decent education and get a good job. Websites can be a source for residual income, just don't expect a lottery...
Posted by: TheeMon
btw i havent slept in 3 days so it sounds like a pretty good idea to me... if i sleep tonight then ill heck out my birght idea in the morn... and it was just a sugjestion i just wanted to do stuff w/o worrying about my no cash flow problem hehe cyaz
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Hehe, no problem ... just sharing my own views since you asked for ideas 
Posted by: JANNA
if ur gonna make money in porn all ya gotta do is move to the bible belt of america or any other extremely religous area and open ur shop within 4-6 blocks of the largest church.... with a central religous location the rental rate for religous folks is very high. but at any rate thats probably the best way to make money with porn....
Posted by: Gunslinger
*blank stare*
Right. Anyway. Porn. Sure, whatever floats your boat man.
Gotta like laggy's logic. I make money during the summer building networks for people and putting together PC's and such. I really no formal education in the matter, but you gotta have skills. One time I did a job for $200 and it took me around 5 hours. That's $40 an hour. Try and make $40 per hour on a porn site. I'll bet you can't do it.
Sorry. I just felt the need to shift the focus of this thread to a legitimate business practice.
Adn I'm still waiting to hear back from CETORT about E3. Anyone know if he's working tonight?
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Hehe GS, good point, altho formal education isn't always considered "decent" education, and vice versa.
Five years ago, I graduated college with an English and Communication degree, but here I am dabbling with computers and web publishing. No formal training in computers whatsoever.
Of course, imagine what I would be doing now if I "had" formal computer education Then again, I guess I'll never know 
Posted by: Gunslinger
Well, who says you can't go back and get a formal education. With your current level of knowledge and experience, you should be able to brease through all the crap and get to the good stuff. The only downside to going back for that education is a shitload of math, but if you're dabbling in computers you're probably proficient in mathematics. I'm starting college next fall, and I'm doube majoring in Computer Science and Music Performance. I'm able to do this in 4 years because I will already have a lot of shit out of the way by the time I get there. Anyway. Enough about me. You can go back if you want to. Hell you live in LA. A BS in CS can get you a job at Blizzard, not to mention the countless other computer and IT employers in your area.
In some degrees, a formal education. An MCSE is good. Actually, it sucks. But despite this fact, employers, being the nimrods that they are, still fork over large amounts of money for applicants who have one. But some certifications are good and can get you a decent job just by riding the certification. A BS is always best though. Who says you can't go back and get one?
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Hehe, thought about that, but time and money is not on my side, and formal education always costs money and takes up a huge chunk of time that I can spend working 
Not that I'm totally dropping the idea of going back to school altogether, but at this point in time, it's stil a pipe dream (unless I can get an employer who can pay me 65-70 grand a year and allow me to work only 25-30 hours a week )
Anyway, who knows... maybe I'll get lucky... maybe we'll ALL get lucky 
Posted by: Null Actor
You guys missed janna's point.
Open a porn shop in a religious neighborhood, and they might pay you money to go away
Posted by: JANNA
errr nova that wasnt my point heh. my point was u gotta go into business where the customers are.... hehehe
Posted by: TotalRecall
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and f.y.i. ive got the porn we would need and if we deside on something else thats fine to... well i think thats it cyaz
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Theemon, not to be rude, but aren't you twelve? Somewhat young to be in the porno buisness (or even looking at it, for that matter), I believe.
I suppose your parents don't know about this, eh? Well, I guess it's everyone's personal preference, so excuse me for opening my mouth.
Mem, I need one of those muzzels you seem to use.
[ March 29, 2001: Message edited by: TotalRecall ]
Posted by: TheeMon
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Originally posted by Gunslinger:
*blank stare*
Right. Anyway. Porn. Sure, whatever floats your boat man.
Gotta like laggy's logic. I make money during the summer building networks for people and putting together PC's and such. I really no formal education in the matter, but you gotta have skills. One time I did a job for $200 and it took me around 5 hours. That's $40 an hour. Try and make $40 per hour on a porn site. I'll bet you can't do it.
Sorry. I just felt the need to shift the focus of this thread to a legitimate business practice.
Adn I'm still waiting to hear back from CETORT about E3. Anyone know if he's working tonight?
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gs hehe ive made 30 bucks for 2 mins work of work hehe but thats not the point...
Posted by: TheeMon
what i ment and that most of u arent geting is we should have like a ots bank or money geting schkeem (<<<cant spell it even close)
we need to find a way to make money as a whole and some1 like laggy keep hold of it and pay for all the sht we wanna do... e3 t-shirts etc... you get my point ... i think hehe cyaz
Posted by: TheeMon
well i ment online and for all of us as a whole hehe but good idea hehehe
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Hehe TheeMon, I appreciate the thought ... it would be great if there was an OTS bank, as you put it, or some sort of pork barrel that we can use for our expenses.
Unfortunately, it's not so realistic (and don't treat this as me shooting down your ideas again). OTS.Net is not an e-commerce site, but neither is it a non-profit organization (otherwise, I would have made it opentechsupport.org ). Earning money using this site is highly unlikely, and it wasn't the reason I put it up in the first place.
So how is OTS.Net earning revenue? Well, it isn't - not in a blatant kind of way. I use my own money to pay for hosting expenses, as well as any other expenses the site may incur. This is why the OTS staff is a group of volunteers, who agree to help me out on this worthy cause without any monetary returns. Technically, OTS.Net is my site, but generally it's the people's site, coz they are the ones who make it worth the money I put into it.
See those buttons on the lower left? That's my only attempt at earning any kind of revenue - a commission-based affiliate program. But as I said before, it's just nickels and dimes - I'll be lucky if I earn even $10 on them, hehehe.
So does this mean OTS.Net will never earn any kind of considerable revenue? Well, I'm not gonna say that To me, the future looks bright for OpenTechSupport.Net, and anything might happen. In a year, we could be selling OTS merchandise, software, hardware or even cheese puff fizzie recipes, who knows. Right now, we take it one day at a time. As long as I have money to pay for hosting, OTS.Net will continue to exist - and as much as I can avoid it, I would not put full ad banners on any part of the site ... except maybe the OTS Tech Store, where it belongs, hehehe
So anyway, back to the money discussion, I understand your desire to make money TheeMon - it's a desire shared by a LOT of people, including me. I just wish it was easier to make it a reality, but we're not in a perfect world so ....
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Oh, and to TR: Amazon.Com was started as a business gamble a few years ago, which they hoped would pay off in the long run. It was a pretty risky gamble, and for a while it seemed to work, but eventually the gamble is not paying off, and they're slowly decaying. Not to discourage people who have Amazon.Com stocks, but I am sure you people knew that t was a risky proposition to begin with, hehehe
Other DotCom businesses are also dropping like flies, one-by-one. The main thing to remember here (especially for those who plan to put up a dotcom business or a startup) is that you do NOT earn money in the first year or two. You spend and spend and spend trying to establish your site, you make some risky moves, and sometimes you may even have to play dirty. The Web is a big jungle, and Darwin's theory applies perfectly to it.
People think Buy.Com is in good standing. But some of them don't know that Buy.Com just laid off hundreds of workers a couple of months ago. They, too, are experiencing the dotcom shakedown. The tech stocks are at a BIG slump this year, and companies are folding or getting bought out. Startup companies are becoming "Fold-up" companies even before they can actually establish themselves.
It's a messy thing to start a business on the Internet. Lotsa risks involved, and you gotta have a lot of capital. In the end, the sites that last the longest on the Internet are hobby sites. Prove me wrong if you like, hehhee
Posted by: TotalRecall
Thanks for ignoring my post, but I don't believe funding is a problem here at OTS.net.
Hardware reviews are the most expensive thing I can think of, and it would be nice to have a few more of those. I don't see how we can make money witout offering something physical that people want.
Selling hardware for example, many stores on Pricewatch or those such as Buy.com only make a small percentage more than what they pay for them, and it's hard to run a buisness as a side job to keeping this site up and working. I heard that Amazon.com had just broken even recently. Think about it...Amazon.com, one of the largest online stores, and it has only broke even after its years in buisness?
If you can come up with something, more power to you, but I just don't see this going anywhere.
Posted by: AK47
Hey TheeMon, Go mow some lawns if you want to make some money.
Posted by: Gerbilo
yeah really, you are 12..... just wait till you get in Jr.High, then High school..... wooooweee... those are a real blast ack!
Posted by: Xenomoff
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In the end, the sites that last the longest on the Internet are hobby sites.
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and this site !!! err this is not a hobby site right?  but still, this site !!! 
Posted by: TheeMon
first of all laggy i didnt mean that we should get "paid" or anything i just ment ahh hell i dunno but i think itd b nice to find someway to bring cash to this situashion even if it is only a hundered or so or whatever ... just so when we wanna do anyother e3 thingy none of us have to pay 4 it... and so u aint gotta pay to host this site... and gerb i am in highschool heeh and im not really 12 but like most of u i dont wanna give out personal info so put it like this im between 12-18 hehe and in highschool hehe cyaz
Posted by: uh...ok
Actually TheeMon, most of us here are comfortable with sharing our ages and such, and I'm sure a lot of us have a pretty good idea of each other's ages. I can't say so for myself because despite the many years I've been around, I've never been deeply involved (I wonder why) with anything.
I do recall a post in the TG forums awhile back with my age on it hehe...
-uh...ok
Posted by: MK
uh...ok = 13
Posted by: Gerbilo
Multiple ppl thought I was like 20-25 from just talking to them online and stuff..... but, as my B.net profile will tell you! i'm really <2
Posted by: TheeMon
well i dont really like posting personal info anywhere - safty precaution i guess but thats just me P hehe cyaz
Posted by: Chako
Gerbilo, seeing that the max age for a hamster is around 2 1/2 years, that would make you very wise
Chako
Dreissena polymorpha
Posted by: uh...ok
Yeah his beard is like 20x the size of his tail...
And MK you're um... wrong.
-uh...ok
Edit: Although I do sometimes wish I was still 13, because despite all the sh!t I went through back then... at least I wasn't as jolted from my naivete as I am now.
[ April 03, 2001: Message edited by: uh...ok ]
Posted by: Gerbilo
Nah, I shaved my ZZTop beard off when RedM shaved his off.
Posted by: Spider
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Originally posted by Canis Lupus:
The Web is a big jungle, and Darwin's theory applies perfectly to it.
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nonononono
wallace's theory not darwin's
[ April 05, 2001: Message edited by: spider ]
Posted by: Gerbilo
Were not learning bout that in science.... were learning about the Grand Unified Theory of Physics.... someones gotta find it...
you know what E=MC2 means?
when you approach the speed of light, your mass will turn to energy.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
I remember this one movie with Tim Robbins and Walter Matthau... Matthau was playing Einstein...
Robbins: Aren't you Albert Einstein?
Matthau: Yes, that's me...
Robbins: God, I knew it! You're the famous physicist! E=mc2, right?
Matthau: I hope so!
Posted by: Chako
Ah relativistic energy Gerbilo!
E=mc^2 where mc^2 is the rest energy of the particle E. Einstein's famous E=mc^2 was designed for "rest energy". For relativistic energy, he devised a lesser known equation
E=K+mc^2=(mc^2)/square root(1-u^2/c^2). He postulated that absolute, uniform motion cannot be detected, furthermore that the speed of light is independent of the motion of the source. Another general rule for his theory is that every observer measures the same value for the speed of light (a constant 2.997 924 58x10^8m/s)He based his work on Newtonian physics which worked on frames of reference dealing with constant velocity relative to an inertial reference....Ack...I get carried away with science...sorry
Chako
Dreissena polymorpha
Posted by: Gerbilo
lol, you knew that outta your head?
E(energy),m(mass),c(speed of light, 3X10^8m/s)
hehe,
Posted by: Chako
<------ Science Teacher
Posted by: Gerbilo
what level?
Posted by: Chako
I am a highschool teacher Gerbilo. I am primarily a biology teacher with a very good knowledge of physics and chemistry. My second teachable is geography. You just happend to hit on a narrow physics subject I have always found exciting and very interesting. And yes no matter how pathetic it may seem, the speed of light is a # I know by heart.
Posted by: uh...ok
Speed of light is... 3.00 x 10^8... as Gerb said... right?
-uh...ok
Posted by: Chako
The actual value is 2.997 924 58x10^8m/s. That is with no rounding off. Most people will round it off to 3.0x10^8m/s because it is an easier number to remember. Gerbilo is right and so am I
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