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Posted by: TheeMon
ok i siged up on www.careerbuilder.com and then i get an email from these guys trying to give me a part time job... this is the 2nd email they sent me... wtf scam or no?
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Hello and sorry for this delay,
S&G Electronics is a UK company looking for people who will help us establish a
new distribution network of mobile phones in the US.
We have reached impressive sale volumes in Europe and now we are trying to
penetrate the US market, so we need agents to receive payments for our products
(wire transfers) and to forward the money back to us.
Tax for international money transfers made by legal entities (companies) in UK
is 25%, but tax for international money transfers made by private individuals is
only 7%, so it's less profitable to use trensfers between companies. By
transfering money through private individuals we'll save money, because of the
decreased tax.
The fact that we already have regular clients, despite that the US market is new
to us, also speaks for itself.
HOW MUCH WILL YOU EARN ? 7% FROM EACH SALE/RESALE OPERATION!
For instance: you receive $1000 : you'll withdraw the money from the bank
account, keep $70 for yourself and send the rest of the $930, minus the transfer
fee to us!
If possible please open a new bank account (we prefer Bank of America and Wells
Fargo). We will pay you the account open fee, from the first transfer.
It is very important for us that you understand that we are not asking for any
details of your bank account that can put you or your bank account at harm.
(We'll only ask you for your Account name, Account number, Routing number and
Bank address.)
The amounts sent to your account will be between $2000 and can go up to $10.000.
A wire transfer will be sent to you and if you prove to be a reliable employee
we'll send more wire transfers weekly.
You will work as an independent contractor right from your home.
YOU DO NOT NEED ANY CAPITAL TO START (only the account opening fee, whitch is
provided by us from our first transfer.)
IF YOU ARE INTERESTED, PLEASE LET ME KNOW YOUR FULL NAME AND ADDRESS AND I WILL
SEND YOU AN AGREEMENT TO READ AND SIGN AND THE JOB IS YOURS.
Best regards, Loren.
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Posted by: IceBreaker
http://forum.presence-pc.com/images/perso/loupiote.gif SCAM ALERT http://forum.presence-pc.com/images/perso/kryten.gif
At second glance however, I surmise it could be genuine... plus, a number of elements indicate that this letter was meant for you personally, and not part of some automated reply/broadcast system. But of course I advise caution - you could seek legal advice, if that is possible - perhaps even ring the ministry of labour (or whatever it's called in the US) and inquire...
Posted by: Bix VT
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Originally Posted by IceBreaker
ministry of labour (or whatever it's called in the US)
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ministry of labor, probably...
however, I'm inclined to believe this due to the fact that they are asking you to open up a new account and not use one that you already own. and the fact that it would be in a separate back, etc...
but always be wary. see if you can get a phone number to call this company personally and verify before you take any action on it.
Posted by: TheeMon
oh they gave me a phone number... and this is the 2nd email i got... they requested me personally from my resume... + i think they want a new bank account so i dont get my money mixed up with theres...
plus how i get ahold of ministery of labor? and wtf is that? edit: is that like the better busines burour?
Posted by: Bix VT
I doubt you'll need to get ahold of the ministry of labour, seeing as how the US doesn't have one.
Posted by: Andrew7689
Hello
Well, i went onto the career builder website and searched for that comapny, and to my surprise it does not exist, this looks like a scam to me, did the e-mail look as if it came from career builder, also the Tax did not look right to me, our sales tax in the United Kingdom is 17.5 %.
regards
Andrew
Posted by: IceBreaker
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Originally Posted by Bix VT
ministry of labor, probably... |
Yes - "u" guys tend to leave out the 'u' ^^
Anyways, I believe what we call 'ministry' over here in Europe is what you call 'department'. There must surely be some sort of Department of Labour (either at a State or Federal level, or both), that deals with state/federal employment law, etc. He could also contact the local trade union, perhaps they will be able to provide him with the proper information..
Posted by: 9:35
looks reliable to me
Posted by: Shalome
Thee, this sounds like a money laundering scheme.
I wouldn't go for it.
Google for "S&G Electronics." You get nothing. I doubt this is legit.
Posted by: IceBreaker
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Originally Posted by Shalome
Google for "S&G Electronics." You get nothing. I doubt this is legit.
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http://www.sg-photo.com/electronics.htm http://forum.presence-pc.com/images/perso/kryten.gif
I checked the url - the information therein apparently tallies with what Theemon posted - provided they also have overseas branches.
But of course what you said still holds - one can never be too heedful.
Posted by: Shalome
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Originally Posted by IceBreaker
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Not really. If you do the whois lookup, that's S & G Photographic of Philedelphia, PA. It's not a UK company. It's a small photography supply shop in Pennsylvania, with absolutely nothing to do with UK mobile phone distribution. 
Posted by: IceBreaker
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Originally Posted by Shalome
Not really. If you do the whois lookup, that's S & G Photographic of Philedelphia, PA. It's not a UK company. It's a small photography supply shop in Pennsylvania, with absolutely nothing to do with UK mobile phone distribution. |
Granted - but Google did return something
They still deal with 'various electronics', however. And if indeed this is some sort of subterfuge, it is doubtful they would use the name of an already existing company- and risk indictment for identity theft. Now that we know that a company by this name exists, Theemon can always phone & check it out
I don't know - it could still be legitimate: like I said, an overseas branch, perhaps.
Or a smokescreen for more suspicious & questionable activities ^^
Posted by: TheeMon
heres the link to there website http://www.sell-gsm.co.uk/ and heres both emails in there entireity...
and they gave me a number too(stated below) ill call tomarrow i guess... but wtf am i gonna say? hello you sent me emails about a job... am i laundering money?
Quote:
Hello and sorry for this delay,
S&G Electronics is a UK company looking for people who will help us establish a
new distribution network of mobile phones in the US.
We have reached impressive sale volumes in Europe and now we are trying to
penetrate the US market, so we need agents to receive payments for our products
(wire transfers) and to forward the money back to us.
Tax for international money transfers made by legal entities (companies) in UK
is 25%, but tax for international money transfers made by private individuals is
only 7%, so it's less profitable to use trensfers between companies. By
transfering money through private individuals we'll save money, because of the
decreased tax.
The fact that we already have regular clients, despite that the US market is new
to us, also speaks for itself.
HOW MUCH WILL YOU EARN ? 7% FROM EACH SALE/RESALE OPERATION!
For instance: you receive $1000 : you'll withdraw the money from the bank
account, keep $70 for yourself and send the rest of the $930, minus the transfer
fee to us!
If possible please open a new bank account (we prefer Bank of America and Wells
Fargo). We will pay you the account open fee, from the first transfer.
It is very important for us that you understand that we are not asking for any
details of your bank account that can put you or your bank account at harm.
(We'll only ask you for your Account name, Account number, Routing number and
Bank address.)
The amounts sent to your account will be between $2000 and can go up to $10.000.
A wire transfer will be sent to you and if you prove to be a reliable employee
we'll send more wire transfers weekly.
You will work as an independent contractor right from your home.
YOU DO NOT NEED ANY CAPITAL TO START (only the account opening fee, whitch is
provided by us from our first transfer.)
IF YOU ARE INTERESTED, PLEASE LET ME KNOW YOUR FULL NAME AND ADDRESS AND I WILL
SEND YOU AN AGREEMENT TO READ AND SIGN AND THE JOB IS YOURS.
Best regards, Loren.
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this is what i left off (i posted both because i know some ppl will be to lazy to read the first one and the 2nd one if there not together)
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S&G Electronics, London UK.
Phone: +(44)7005938446
Fax: +(44)7005800607
E-mail: sales@sell-gsm.co.uk
Website: http://www.sell-gsm.co.uk
We are open 7 days a week.
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"NOTICE: The information contained in this electronic mail transmission is
intended by S&G Electronics for the use of the named individual or
entity to which it is directed and may contain information that is
privileged or otherwise confidential. If you have received this electronic
mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without
copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the error by reply email
or by telephone (collect), so that the sender's address records can be
corrected."
Quoting Theemon thee <theemon@gmail.com>:
> i would like more information on this job as i am still very
> interested. i would like to know where i would be working at and who
> i can get ahold of to find out more information, i suppose i will call
> the phone number you listed monday if i dont hear from you before then
>
>
> On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:39:43 -0800, Theemon thee <theemon@gmail.com> wrote:
> > i would be interested in this job, email me back with more information
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 02:07:37 +0000, S&G Electronics
> > <sales@sell-gsm.co.uk> wrote:
> > > We have a job for you, please read below:
> > >
> > > We have seen your resume at www.careerbuilder.com and we may have a job
> for you.
> > >
> > > Please write me back and let me know if you are interested in a part-time
> job.
> > >
> > > I represent a European company - S&G Electronics - that is searching for
> a
> > > contact person to represent us in the U.S.
> > > You'll receive a minimum of $1000/month, and you will earn 7% from every
> deal
> > > that our company will conclude in U.S.
> > > You will not work more than 5hours/week.
> > >
> > > Please mail me back at: sales@sell-gsm.co.uk and sellgsm_uk@yahoo.com
> because
> > > our e-mail at www.sell-gsm.co.uk is under maintenance for the next 24
> hours, and
> > > let me know if you are interested in this job and if you want to find out
> more
> > > before you decide.
> > >
> > > You can also use this link to contact us: http://sell-gsm.co.uk/mail.php
> > >
> > > Regards, Loren Foster.
> > > -----------------------------------------
> > > S&G Electronics, London UK.
> > > Phone: +(44)7005938446
> > > Fax: +(44)7005800607
> > > E-mail: sales@sell-gsm.co.uk
> > > Website: http://www.sell-gsm.co.uk
> > > We are open 7 days a week.
> > > -----------------------------------------
> > >
> > > "NOTICE: The information contained in this electronic mail transmission
> is
> > > intended by S&G Electronics for the use of the named individual or
> > > entity to which it is directed and may contain information that is
> > > privileged or otherwise confidential. If you have received this
> electronic
> > > mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without
> > > copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the error by reply
> email
> > > or by telephone (collect), so that the sender's address records can be
> > > corrected."
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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Posted by: Shalome
Scam.
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois...=Sell-GSM.CO.UK
Domain Name:
sell-gsm.co.uk
Registrant:
lance kluger
Registrant's Address:
1122 maple ave.
#210
los angeles
CA
90015
US
Registered on: 05-Mar-2005
Renewal Date: 05-Mar-2007
Last updated: 13-Mar-2005
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1122 Maple Ave., Los Angeles, CA is the address of the Wilshire State Bank. The bank takes up the entire second floor, so #210 is not a valid number.
Basically, the web address was very, very recently registered to a fake address in Los Angeles, and probably with a fake name. The only Lance Kluger in the area seems to be the head of a property management company who sits on the LA Fashion District Improvement board.
Posted by: TheeMon
yeay i got my first realistic sounding scam...
but hows this scam work?
Posted by: Shalome
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Originally Posted by TheeMon
yeay i got my first realistic sounding scam...
but hows this scam work?
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It may not necessarily be a scam that involves making money for anyone. If someone has your name, your bank account name, account number, bank routing number and
bank address, they can use your account for pretty much whatever they want.
Say they deposit $5000 via wire transfer, then you take your cut and wire them back their share. You might have just laundered money from a drug or weapons deal. At the very least, you've helped subvert international tax laws (corporations are not allowed to avoid paying taxes in the way they propose, by making wire transfers between individuals). Your participation in a scheme like this could land you in some serious trouble with various international authorities.
Posted by: Shalome
Also, the company's supposed London address doesn't exist. "W1S 5LE" is not a valid UK postcode.
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/
Posted by: Shalome
So I Googled the company's London Phone number and guess what comes up.
http://iran.tradexpro.com/default.c...a_mobile_phones
An Iranian business-to-business website. This is the same business description as the business that contacted you, but it gives a different company name, a different contact name, a different London address.. but the same phone number and fax number.
Dude, run far away from this one.
Okay, I'm done obsessing over this one now.
Posted by: TheeMon
lol thx shal 
oh i will keep away... it sucks though kuz that sounded like a good 2nd job
Posted by: Bishop
You could try it anyways and demand a bigger cut.
What are they going to do, tell the FBI that you're refusing to return their illbegotten money?
Posted by: Andrew7689
Hello
Well, if you still not convinced then try these address.
The first address is the United Kingdom Business Directory Known as YELLOW PAGES
www.yell.com
And the next one is another Business Directoty, Known as Thomson Directory
www.thomsonlocal.com
These directory websites cover the whole of Uited Kingdom, to my surprise this company is not found in either, although Dover Street does exist in London
Regards
Andrew
Posted by: guzel
Shalome, TheeMon and all others,
I registered in the forum to say you thanks! I received exactly the same e-mail mail today and was about to open an account. It indeed sucks, to learn it's scum, but it' would be really worse if I hadn't googled for S&G Electronics. That's how I found you.
Do you think it's possible to turn in the person to FBI or whatever organization is dealing with it?
Posted by: TheeMon
SEEEE!!!! i told you my useless info would help others one day!!!!!
Posted by: Bishop
That's no moon, it's a space station.
Posted by: thanks3976
Hey, much like guzol or whoever, I registered just to say thanks. This thread gave me the information I needed to convince myself that this thing was a scam.
Thanks to all.
Posted by: TheeMon
hehehehehehehe yet another person
Posted by: fordbaby
Help Me!!!!!!!!!
I give their my bank account information before I saw what you guys talked above. And the guy told me he will transfer the money to my account very soon. What should I do? Stop the account or inform FBI? Please help me!
Posted by: Shalome
Close your account, open a new one. I wouldn't bother contacting the FBI -- I doubt you'll get anywhere since nothing actually happened to you.
Posted by: IceBreaker
He could wait till he gets the money before terminating the account - after all he wasn't supposed to know it was illegal... http://forum.presence-pc.com/images/perso/666%20.gif
Posted by: Bix VT
hay guyz, I have a super great idea! lets piss off an international crime syndicate by taking thier money!!1 kthxbyez
Posted by: IceBreaker
Oh no! Who's afraid of the Big Bad Wolf? 
Posted by: TheeMon
they wont actually give this guy any money, i think(key word is think) after they get his bank account info they steal his idetenty or something
Posted by: vcatania
Hello All,
I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who has investigated this scam. I sent an email responding to their opportunity and then realized it was probably too good to be true. So, I tried looking up their company information and found a web page. At this point I felt everything was alright, but then I saw this link right below the company page and checked it out. Thanks again.
Posted by: uh...ok
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Originally Posted by TheeMon
SEEEE!!!! i told you my useless info would help others one day!!!!!
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And another one. 
Posted by: TheeMon
see i contribute to this site in the weirdest ways 
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