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New interesting CPU cooler
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Posted by: goranpaa
Hi all!
I found this new cooler from Vapochill, that seems to be an interesting one.
Vapochill is known for their Phase change liquid cooling cases and aggregates.
And this micro cooler, is using a similar technique.
There are 3 models of it:
VapoChill Micro Ultra Low Noise
VapoChill Micro High End
VapoChill Micro Extreme Performance
Here is some info:
The VapoChill Micro™ CPU coolers are characterized by hermetically sealed gas/liquid chambers exploiting the most effective cooling principle available: phase change cooling. This creates one of the most effective CPU cooling solutions in the mainstream market. By extracting heat from the CPU, a closed sealed fluid will evaporate and reach the top of the heatpipes. The gaseous form will then be colled by an efficient fan and radiator and turn into a solid fluid form again where as it will hit the bottom of the CPU cooler once more. The recirculation of the coolant is based on gravity. In other words, no mechanical parts and bascially unlimited reliability. This circular process will go on and on and keep the CPU temperature cool at all times - even at a low noise level
Here is a review of the Low noise version:
http://www.burnoutpc.com/modules/wf...p?articleid=213
Posted by: Bix VT
hmm...very interesting idea. I wonder how well they compare to water cooling side by side...
Posted by: Superfly3176
Hrrmmm. I have a Swiftech though and its a pain to install. Plus I dont think that think would fit in my case with my 92mm blowing in.
Posted by: goranpaa
Hi Bix!
Well, as far as I know, the Phase change freon cooling of the bigger Vapochills, is very good. I saw some review of the Vapochill "Light year" cooling aggregate, and they overclocked a Pentium Extreme to 5 GigHz with good temps.
So maybe this little bugger will at least be a threat to the Thermalrights?
Pity though, that they dont say what CFM the included fan is?
Would be interesting, to see what this cooler can do with an YS Tech FD1293259B-2N 92mm. 58.5 CFM. Or to make it look even more neat: Thermaltake 92mm LED Smart Fan - A2017 24.6~78.7CFM . You can lock this fan at full throttle, with a jumper.
Posted by: goranpaa
Hi Superfly!
If you have a Swiftech. Then, you have a very nice cooler anyway.
Posted by: goranpaa
Here is a test from the Vapochill Forum. Thermalright XP 90 v.s. Vapochill Micro Extreme:
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I have been testing the Extreme on my FX55 for the past few days
So is anyone interested in the temps ?
Desktop for 30mins to record idle temps.
Full 32mb Super PI run used to record load temps.
Here goes :-
XP90 with Artic Silver 5 and Panaflo 90mm Fan (2500rpm).
13 x 200 = 2600 @ 1.400v (Stock Speed)
Idle CPU = 40 Deg C
Idle SYS = 30 Deg C
Load CPU = 48 Deg C
Load SYS = 37 Deg C
14 x 200 = 2800 @ 1.550v (OC Speed)
Idle CPU = 43 Deg C
Idle SYS = 31 Deg C
Load CPU = 58 Deg C
Load SYS = 40 Deg C
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VapoChill Mirco Extreme with Stock Goop and Fan (856 RPM to 3750 RPM).
Running with fan at 2550 RPM
13 x 200 = 2600 @ 1.400v (Stock Speed)
Idle CPU = 35 Deg C
Idle SYS = 30 Deg C
Load CPU = 45 Deg C
Load SYS = 31 Deg C
14 x 200 = 2800 @ 1.550v (OC Speed)
Idle CPU = 40 Deg C
Idle SYS = 30 Deg C
Load CPU = 51 Deg C
Load SYS = 32 Deg C
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Just out of interest I set the Extreme fan to full speed and did a 32mb Super PI run.
14 x 200 = 2800 @ 1.550v (OC Speed)
Load CPU = 49 Deg C
Load SYS = 30 Deg C
As the fan is LOUD at 3750 RPM im going to stick with 2550 RPM 24/7 as its near silent and the cooling is very nice.
Thats all folks,
SpaceMonkey #
I will add more test results for the Vapochill Micro. when I get my extreme edition the 19th.
goranpaa
Posted by: Bix VT
impressive...I shall definately consider that cooler. I bet you could lower it 1-2 more degrees if you used AS5 with it, and probably more if you used a 120mm fan with a shroud...
Posted by: goranpaa
Yes, I will try it out with both the orginal goo and the AC 5.
I 'm pretty sure the Vapocill fan is a Thermaltake "Silent Cat" 90mm 52,5 CFM fan.
So If you slap on a YS-TECH 92X25MM 4-PIN CASE FAN 66.3CFM 40DBA
Or PANAFLO 90X25MM FBA09A12H1BX HYDRO WAVE BEARING FAN 56.8CFM 35.0DBA. Why not a Vantec Tornardo? And slow it to a RPM, where it pushes about 80 - 90 CFM? At that speed, it should be quiet enough. Don't you think?
But your idea about a 120mm + shroud is very interesting too. There are some very nice high CFM 120mm:s that's still quiet.
Posted by: Bix VT
I would probably use this one, as it pushes a lot of air and has a shockingly low dBA rating: http://www.svc.com/a1927-14.html
although, if you want all-out performance, I'd say go with this one: http://www.svc.com/fba12g12u.html
the 92mm tornado may flow 4 more cfm of air, but I'd take the 120 with a shroud to get rid of the dead zone, and also because it's about 10dBA quieter.
however, I bet if you put a fan controller with the panaflo fan, you could probably get about the same performance/noise level as the thermaltake at similar speeds, but still have the extra punch of 115 cfm available whenever you need it.
Posted by: goranpaa
That Thermaltake Thunderblade is really impressive , if you get 78 CFM at 21 DbA!!! And The LED:s will add a nice touch to the cooler. I think I will go for that fan myself.
And I have read about that super Panaflo before, and it also seems great. Pity there is no retailer in Sweden who seems interested in importing the Panaflos.
I wonder what temps the Vapochill Micro, will get with one of those fans ? Must be very near water cooling.
I think that it should be possible to quiet down the fan even more. By adding a Vantec silicone vibration damper on the fan.
Posted by: quiksilver87
I showed you guys the Thermaltake thunderbalde a while ago when i had that huge thread about building my pc. I actually got it. And i didnt really check whether it is that quite or not because I had to isolate the noise. I am sure the fan is NOT 21 dba. the manufacturers do lie. Reviews at newegg confirm this.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16811999138
Posted by: quiksilver87
That cooler looks very cool btw...
Posted by: Bix VT
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Originally Posted by quiksilver87
That cooler looks very cool btw...
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pun intended?
that sucks about the thermaltake 120 though, I had been looking forward to it...ah well. noise doesn't really bother me, I'm just looking for a high performance 120 that has LEDs. that 220cfm delta is looking real attractive though...
Posted by: quiksilver87
lol...no pun intended. I didnt even notice that...for some reason.
I also thought that fan was too good to be true. 220cfm delta? haha...aka blowdryer?
I think that TT is still a good choice. I mean it isnt really that loud but isnt so quiet either. Bust out a dremel and mod your case to fit a couple of them. Thats the fun part..
Posted by: Bix VT
problem is I'm no good with a dremel...but yeah, here's a link to the 220cfm delta: http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/de12tfexhisp.html
sidewinder also carries 190, 150 and 140cfm versions of it as well, but just look at the power that thing sucks down! I'm not even sure my fan controller could handle that...
Posted by: goranpaa
Amazing fans! And I guess, if you can make the fan controller to magage that power, You will have a fan noise that is tolerable and still get quite a tornardo (excuse the pun. Lol could'nt help myself!)
Posted by: quiksilver87
lol... that is one huge fan. 65dba! thats louder than the vantec tornado. yeah it consumes 30W of power! that is insane. But im sure ur PSU can handle it. Not sure about the fan controller though.
Im not a big fan of "controlling" power...I usually like to run things at max power. I dunno why its just something...But, in this case I wouldn't mind controlling that fan. Im just scared that it would be a waste because you might as well get a less powerfull fan. Because there is no way you can run that thing on max power.
So ur no good with a dremel...huh....well, neither am I. But i sill think it would be pretty fun and useful to mod ur case. U can put the fans where they really need to be placed.
Check out where OPC mods 2 holes for 2 fans. Those are 2 120mm fans btw. Right next to the CPU and GPU...where all the o/cing is happening...
http://overdrivepc.com/gaming/index.htm
Posted by: Bix VT
it turns out that the most powerful fan controller on the market only puts out 20w per channel, and that 220cfm fan requires 30. however, this fan here: http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/de12ff.html still moves 150cfm, and you can use most fan controllers with it, since it only consumes 12w.
Posted by: goranpaa
That is amazing! It moves near 152 CFM and is still 3 DbA more quiet than the Vantec Tornardo 92mm that is 119 CFM. That is a really interesting fan!
Thanks for the tip.
Wonder what that Delta could accomplish with the Vapochill Micro?
Posted by: goranpaa
Yesterday, I recieved my Vapochill Micro Extreme Edt.
So I removed the orginal white thermal goo, that comes with the cooler pre applied. And replaced it with AS 5.
The day before that, I did some tests in 20,3 C Room temp. with the Thermalright XP 90 and the 90mm Sunon. 52 CFM fan.
CPU Idle: 37 C
Load 42 C
Case Idle: 34 C
Load 38 C
1 hour Sandra 2005 Burn in test CPU usage 95% Room temp 21, 2 C. CPU core power: Minimum: 94W. Average: 96W. Max: 106 W.
CPU : 46C
Case: 39C
Vapochill Micro, Extreme Edt. With Arctic Silver 5
21 .3 C room temp.
CPU idle 35 C
Load 46 C
1 hour Sandra Burn in test
CPU 48 C
Case 38 C
Then I replaced the Rather noisy Vapochill Fan (The only thing I know about it, is that it is 90 MM and 3700 RPM.)
With The Sunon 90mm 52 CFM. 3000 RPM. 35 DbA fan.
Room temp 20,7 C
Cpu idle 35C
Load 42C
Case idle 33C
Load 37C
1 hour Sandra 2005 Burn in test
CPU : 46 C
Case : 38 C
Comments:
Have in mind, when I tested this cooler. It had freshly applied AS 5. So in a couple of weeks or so, when the AS 5 have settled. I can probably have a temp drop 2 to 3 C.
So now it would be interesting to see what the Vapochill could do with an even higher CFM fan?
And it seems to be as good as the Thermaright XP 90 for a much better price. And providing you swap the rather noisy orginal fan for something better. like an Enermax, Panaflo or Sunon fan for ex. I also noticed that it seems, due to the Vapochill Micro architecture. It is good at cooling the mobo.
One thing that I would like to see is a more stable fan duct. This plastic duct is rather flimsy. But seem to work. But I bet you can reduce noise, by adding a Vantec silicone fan vibration damper. And it would have been very nice If Asetek had included a 120 mm fan duct also. This, as the most powerful fans but still able to be quiet enough, is 120 mm. That is, if you does'nt count in the new 120 mm, super power Deltas. lol.
All temperature readings, whas from Motherboard monitor 5
EDIT:
I unfortunaly? Have to edit my test about the Extreme orginal fan.
I redid the test today with this fan.
I discovered this Specs for the Extreme Edt. fan at Asetek home. That made me think I must have made a bad mounting of the Cooler, when I tested it with the orginal fan yesterday.
Extreme fan specs:
Bearing Type: Sleeve
Rated Current: 0.5 Amp.
Rated Speed: 3800 RPM
Air flow: 73.656 CFM
Life expectancy: 31000 hours
Then I started wondering, why my Sunon 53 CFM fan could possibly be able to outperform a 73.6 CFM fan?
So today I took out the cooler. Cleaned the cooler and CPU troughout and replaced the Sunon with the orginal Extreme fan again. And made really, REALLY sure the cooler whas correctly seated.
NOW I got other temps, with this fan!
Room temp 21,6
CPU: idle 35 C
Load 40 C
Case: Idle 32 C
Load 36 C
1 hour Sandra Burn in test : CPU 45 C
Case : 38C
But I still think this fan is noisy at full throttle. But why should'nt it at 3700 RPM?
Posted by: goranpaa
Here is the specs for the fans of all 3 editions of Vapoochill Micro according to Asetec home:
Low Noise Edt:
Brand: Panaflo
Bearing Type: Hydro wave Bearing
Input Current: 0.2 Amp.
Rated Speed: 2350 RPM
Air flow: 17.657 CFM
Life expectancy: 50000 hours
High End Edt:
Bearing Type: Sleeve
Rated Current: 0.55 Amp.
Rated Speed: 3800 RPM
Air flow: 67.0 CFM
Life expectancy: 31000 hour
Extreme Edt:
Bearing Type: Sleeve
Rated Current: 0.5 Amp.
Rated Speed: 3800 RPM
Air flow: 73.656 CFM
Life expectancy: 31000 hours
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