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Manual O.C.
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Posted by: goranpaa
Hi all!
As I never have never O.C.:ed my P4 Northwood (C) 2.8. 800FSB HT. Or my Kingston Hyper X PC 3200 RAM manually. I wonder how this is done the best way? Considering the CPU and RAM I got?
I have always used the some kind of Auto O.C device when O.C:ing. But I begin to wonder if I can't squeeze out some more "juice" by doing this manually?
And I can't seem to get over 3.4 GiG Hz O.C. Using the "Auto O.C." Then I can't even get my rig to boot. And I have to lower the O.C. to 3.4 GiG Hz. It seems to be the limit for this kind of O.C:ing. So maybe a manual O.C. will do the trick? Or is it the darn ICH chip, that is hindering me?
I have heard somewhere, this chip could be limiting the O.C. in some way?
My O.C. "manual menue" looks like this:
Cpu External frequensy: (MHz) (200) This you can set to another figure. how much? for ....let's say 3.7 GigHz speed?
CPU VCore Voltage:
1.9500V
1.9250
1.9000
1.8750
1.8250
1.8000
down to 1.6000V
DDR Reference Voltage:
2.85V
2.75V
2.65V
2.55V
AUTO
DRAM Frequensy:
266 MHz
320
400
500
533
Hope this info is enough for you O.C. experts to help me out?
p.s. I also wonder how big the O.C. steps is, before you notice any real differense?
Is it like from 3.4 to 3.7 GiGhz or do you notice speed improvents already at 3.6 GigHz?
I have heard somewhere long ago, that you must O.C. in 400Hz steps to see any real difference? And I don't mean Benchmarking now. But in your everyday gaming and so on.
Posted by: Bix VT
first things first, in order to find out what you have to set to what in order to oc to 3.7ghz, you're going to need your multiplier. as long as your sig is still correct, your munlti should be 14. that means that at your current rate of 3.4ghz, your fsb is 242. that's pretty spiffy for an intel chip. now, if you want 3.7ghz, you'll have to bump that up to 264, which I doubt that you could do on a p4 with nothing but air cooling. however, if you want to try, I would try adding vcore in small amounts and see if that gets you anywhere. and of course leave your ram running at it's stock ddr400 for all of this, just so you can figure out the limit of the chip without worrying about your ram holding you back.
Posted by: goranpaa
Hi Bix!
Thanks for the ansver. And I have tried to make use of your tip. But it seems like I can't reach higher than 3.4 GigHz BoHooo!
And I can't seem to be able to change the "CPU External Frequensy" upwards. it is locked at 200MHz in the manual O.C. setting. I can only lower it. And just raising the VCore, won't improve stuff.
Guess it have to do with the mobo and the Intel chipssets?
So I guess I'm pretty much stuck at that speed with the stuff I got for the moment.
Kinda frustrating. Somewhat makes me wanna take my wallet and run for the lokal "PC Hardware pusher". Screaming. AMD HERE I COME!!! at the top of my lungs.
Posted by: Bix VT
yeah all of my overclocking experience has been on AMDs. sorry I can't be of more help. if you find a large amount of money sometime soon though, I hear the venice 3000+ is a nice chip to oc.
Posted by: Rayvix
AMD's are cheaper too.
Posted by: goranpaa
Well, when I got this Albatron "hybrid mobo", whas becase I found that I could'nt afford going PCI Express and get CPU,mobo and video card at the same time. If I could, I would have gone AMD right away.
There's nothing really bad about the Albatron mobo. It have served me well. But as Intel stuff seems to have some limitations. And as AMD stuff are better, when gaming and O.C.:ing, the choise is obvious.
Now I just wonder wich mobo I should get?
Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe, nForce4 SLI, MSI K8N Diamond, DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 SLI-D, nForce4 SL , Abit Fatal1ty AN8 SLI nForce4 SLI, EPoX EP-9NPA SLI,nForce4 SLI or Gigabyte GA-K8NXP-SLI, nForce4 SLI?
As for CPU, I have long ago decided for AMD 64 3000+
And thank you guys for your thoughts and help.
Posted by: Bix VT
it depends on what you want to do with it. if you want maximum overclocking potential, go with the DFI.
Posted by: goranpaa
Yeah, I have heard that the DFI is a very speedy mobo. I read some test of this SLI mobo. Where they called it "A mobo for mad overclockers". lol.
But I think it whas you? who earlier said, that the DFI:s is a kinda tricky mobos. Am I right here?
But if I'm misstaken here, I can think of considering the DFI.
Othervice, I heard good stuff about the MSI Diamond and the Gigabyte mobo. Though they are not the kind of "Speed monsters" DFI is.
Posted by: Bix VT
I personally wouldn't buy an MSI or Gigabyte after my experiences with them, but I hear very good things about them. I think mine were just bad apples.
but yeah, go DFI if you want it for overclocking. the two that I've had have been very good at what they were built for. and yes, they are very finicky, but if what you really want is a top-notch overclock, then I'd say it's worth it.
Posted by: goranpaa
Thanks Bix!
DFI it is then.
What do you think of this rig?
Case and PSU: The ones in my sig.
Mobo: DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 SLI-D
CPU: AMD 64. 3000+
RAM: 2X Corsair XMS3200C2 DDR-DIMM 512MB. 32Meg x 8, CAS 2-3-3-6-T1
Harddrives and stuff: my old HDD:s and dvd combo.
Video card: My Leadtek 6600GT + maybe another one
Or Gigabyte GeForce 7800GT 256MB DVI PCI-Express.
I know that the 7800GTX is faster and have 2 more pixel pipe lines. But there is always O.C. and for that price difference to 7800GTX, I can live without those 2 pipelines.
Here is some specs on the DFI mobo:
Specification
CPU
# AMD Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 / Sempron
# Socket 939
Chipset
# NVIDIA nForce4 SLI
- Supports NVIDIA SLI (Scalable Link Interface)
Front Side Bus
# 2000MT/s HyperTransport interface
Memory
# Four 184-pin DDR SDRAM DIMM sockets
# Supports dual channel (128-bit wide) memory interface
# Supports up to 4GB system memory
# Supports DDR266, DDR333 and DDR400 DDR SDRAM DIMM
SLI / Single VGA Mode
# SLI mode
- 2 SLI-ready graphics cards (use identical cards) on the PCI Express x16 slots.
- The graphics cards are connected via the SLI bridge.
- The bandwidth of each slot is x8; when the graphics cards are connected
via the SLI bridge, it runs at x16 bandwidth.
# Single VGA mode
- 1 PCI Express graphics card on the PCIE1 slot will run at x16 bandwidth.
- The other PCI Express x16 slot (PCIE4) will run at x2 bandwidth.
BIOS
# Award BIOS
# CMOS Reloaded
# CPU/DRAM overclocking
# CPU/DRAM/Chipset overvoltage
# 4Mbit flash memory
Power Management
# Supports ACPI STR (Suspend to RAM) function
# Wake-On-Events include:
- Wake-On-PS/2 Keyboard/Mouse
- Wake-On-USB Keyboard/Mouse
- Wake-On-LAN
- RTC timer to power-on the system
# AC power failure recovery
Hardware Monitor
# Monitors CPU/system/chipset temperature
# Monitors 12V/5V/3.3V/Vcore/Vbat/5Vsb/Vchipset/Vdram voltages
# Monitors the speed of the CPU fan, Fan 2 and chipset fan
# CPU Overheat Protection function monitors CPU temperature during system boot-up
Audio
# Karajan audio module
- Realtek ALC850 8-channel audio CODEC
- 6 audio jacks
- 1 CD-in connector
- 1 front audio connector
# S/PDIF-in/out interface
LAN
# Dual Gigabit LAN - Vitesse VSC8201 Gigabit Phy and Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit PCI
# Fully compliant to IEEE 802.3 (10BASE-T), 802.3u (100BASE-TX) and
802.3ab (1000BASE-T) standards
IDE
# nForce4 chip supports two IDE connectors that allows connecting up to four
UltraDMA 133Mbps hard drives
# NVIDIA RAID allows RAID arrays spanning across Serial ATA and Parallel ATA
# RAID 0, RAID 1 and RAID 0+1
Serial ATA with RAID
# Four Serial ATA ports supported by the nForce4 chip
- SATA speed up to 3Gb/s
- RAID 0, RAID 1 and RAID 0+1
- NVIDIA RAID allows RAID arrays spanning across Serial ATA and Parallel ATA
# Four Serial ATA ports supported by the Silicon Image Sil 3114 chip
- SATA speed up to 1.5Gb/s
- RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 0+1 and RAID 5
IEEE 1394
# VIA VT6307
# Supports two 100/200/400 Mb/sec ports
Rear Panel I/O Ports
# 1 mini-DIN-6 PS/2 mouse port
# 1 mini-DIN-6 PS/2 keyboard port
# 2 S/PDIF RCA jacks (S/PDIF-in and S/PDIF-out)
# Karajan audio module (6 audio jacks)
# 1 IEEE 1394 port
# 2 RJ45 LAN ports
# 6 USB 2.0/1.1 ports
I/O Connectors
# 2 connectors for 4 additional external USB 2.0/1.1 ports
# 1 connector for 1 external IEEE 1394 port
# 1 connector for 1 external serial port
# 1 front audio connector for external line-out and mic-in jacks (on the Karajan audio module)
# 1 CD-in internal audio connector (on the Karajan audio module)
# 1 S/PDIF connector for optical cable connection
# 1 IR connector
# 8 Serial ATA connectors
# 2 IDE connectors
# 1 floppy connector
# 1 24-pin ATX power connector
# 1 4-pin ATX 12V power connector
# 2 4-pin 5V/12V power connectors (FDD-type and HDD type)
# 1 front panel connector
# 5 fan connectors
# 4 diagnostic LEDs
# 1 diagnostic LED connector for external 4 diagnostic LEDs display
# EZ touch switches (power switch and reset switch)
Expansion Slots
# 2 PCI Express x16 slots
# 1 PCI Express x1 slot
# 1 PCI Express x4 slot
# 2 PCI slots
Features.
LANPARTY nF4 SLI-DR exclusive features
# SLi graphics card bridge
# Karajan Audio(Theater like7.1 /8ch supported)
# Dual Gigabit LAN
# nF4 chipset supported Serial ATA(3Gb/s)
# 100% Japanese Capacitors
# UV sensitive slots
# UV kits(Round Cables & Cable sleeving bundled)
# New FrontX panel
# PC Transpo
# EZ-on / EZ-touch onboard switch button
# RAID(with nVIDIA nVRAID)
# nVIDIA nTune(embedded overclocking solution)
# nVIDIA ActiveArmor
(Embedded hardware firewall & network solution)
# CMOS reloaded®
# All New Genie BIOS
I belive, that this will be a "speed of light rig". lol
Posted by: Bix VT
everything looks pretty nice, except for the ram. if you're going for PC3200, you'll want something with good timings and great overclocking chips. I reccomend this ram here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16820144341
it's rated up to 300mhz, and also has samsung TCCDs so you know it's a good overclocker. not to mention that it has a 1.5 cas. however, you'd have to check and make sure that this ram is compatable with that mobo, since DFI mobos are EXTREMELY picky about ram (and everything else)
Posted by: taco_fox
Hmm.. I need some new RAM too. I just burnt out my 2x512MB OCZ Value RAM that did 240MHz @ 2.0-2-2-5. Apparently it didn't like running at 3.5v for 6 months and now gives me errors in a few sectors at any speed. It was a good deal for $100, though.
I have the DFI NF4 Ultra-D and it's nowhere near as picky as the NFII Infinity was. The chipset gets a bit hot with the stock cooling (mine hovers around 50°C constantly), but it doesn't cause any instability. You shouldn't have any problems with the board.
You might want to consider a new PSU, too. All of the new motherboards including the Ultra-D are moving to the 24-pin connector format. Mine works fine with a Sparkle 530W 20-pin PSU, but a lot of people say you need a 24-pin PSU to keep stable voltages. You can probably give it a shot with your current PSU and if the voltages are unsatisfactory, pick up a new one.
Posted by: goranpaa
Ok. Thanks guys.
Taco, wich AMD:s have 24 pin?
Posted by: Ropeuse
Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe I just built a system with this board it was very nice I have alwas had good luck with Asus boards
Posted by: goranpaa
Hi!
Yes, I had only good experienses with Asus mobos too. But this time I feel I wanna try something new. So I will go for DFI.
Posted by: Bix VT
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Originally Posted by goranpaa
wich AMD:s have 24 pin?
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it seems like most of the PCI-E boards have a 24 pin. you can go with an adapter, but that will drop the +5 voltage to your motherboard by a little bit. if you don't plan on any hardcore overclock though, that shouldn't be a problem.
Posted by: goranpaa
O.K. thanks Bix!
And I dont think I will not O.C. that much. But still it's nice to know that you can IF you want to.
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