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Something I didn't know before.
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Posted by: Chako
I was doing my random meandering over the digital highway when I stumbled over this. Truth be known, I almost didn't read it due to the topic.
(<----thought I knew enough about the subject to ignore it)
Well, it came as a surprise that there are 2 official US flags (if the guy is correct about this). News to me....
http://iresist.com/cbg/hornswog.html
By the way...is he correct in stating that the civil war was never officially terminated? Wasn't there an official signing to end it between the South and North?
Posted by: Shalome
Fill me in on what that site says. The base's firewall/proxy blocks it as "hate speech."
Posted by: -Memnoch-
Copied from http://iresist.com/cbg/hornswog.html
Which Flag is Which?
by Richard McDonald
The people of the United States actually have two national flags: one for our military government and another for the civil. Each one has fifty stars in its canton and thirteen red and white stripes, but there are several important differences.
Although most Americans think of the Stars and Stripes (above left) as their only flag, it is actually for military affairs only. The other one, meant by its makers for wider use (peacetime), has vertical stripes with blue stars on a white field (above right). You can see this design, which bears civil jurisdiction, in the U.S. Coast Guard and Customs flags, but their service insignias replace the fifty stars.
I first learned of the separate, civil flag when I was reading Nathaniel Hawthorne's The Scarlet Letter, published in 1850. The introduction, titled "The Custom House," includes this description:
From the loftiest point of its roof, during precisely three and a half hours of each forenoon, floats or droops, in breeze or calm, the banner of the republic; but with the thirteen stripes turned vertically, instead of horizontally, and thus indicating that a civil, and not a military post of Uncle Sam's government, is here established.
It took me two years of digging before I found a picture that matched what he was describing: my second clue was an original Illuminated History of North America (1860). If this runs against your beliefs, look up those two references.
History book publishers contribute to the public's miseducation by always picturing the flag in military settings, creating the impression that the one with horizontal stripes is the only one there is. They don't actually lie; they just tell half the truth. For example, the "first American flag" they show Betsy Ross sewing at George Washington's request, was for the Revolution - of course it was military.
The U.S. government hasn't flown the civil flag since the Civil War, as that war is still going on. Peace has never been declared, nor have hostilities against the people ended. The government is still operating under quasi-military rule.
You movie buffs may recall this: In the old Westerns, "Old Glory" has her stripes running sideways and a military yellow fringe. Most of these films are historically accurate about that; their stories usually took place in the territories still under military law and not yet states. Before WWII, no U.S. flag, civil or military, flew within the forty-eight states (except in federal settings); only state flags did. Since then, the U.S. government seems to have decided the supposedly sovereign states are its territories too, so it asserts its military power over them under the "law of the flag."
Today the U.S. military flag appears alongside, or in place of, the state flags in nearly all locations within the states. All of the state courts and even the municipal ones now openly display it. This should have raised serious questions from many citizens long ago, but we've been educated to listen and believe what we are told, not to ask questions, or think or search for the truth.
Posted by: redwench
ok, the man is a moron. he may or may not have the facts correct, im not going to look it up. but his interpretations sound like those of a disturbed mind.
Posted by: Shalome
THAT is what's blocked as HATE SPEECH?!?!?!?
Posted by: Gunslinger
It's not hate speech really. My guess would be that it is blocked because of the mention of "sovereign" and "states" in the same sentence. The true definition of "state" is a "sovereing body". However, we do not truly have states, because the states of this country do not have sovereignty. For this reason, it is probably blocked. In a Confederacy, the states are sovereign over their own domain. I would say this is why it is blocked, because it may be seen to suggest a revolutionary idea, in the support of a confederacy and a second flag.
That is kind of vague, I know, but I see nothing else which would warrant possible censure.
Posted by: Gunslinger
He is correct about one thing, though. A "preace treaty" was never signed at the end of the Civil War - merely a signed declaration of Surrender by General Lee at Appomatox. However, it seems fundamentally unnecessary for a peace treaty when the enemy has been reintegrated into the Union. So, his point is moot.
Posted by: Fink
i dont think n e of that is true.... i think that guy just wanted to look smart to everyone.
Posted by: Fink
sorry bout the sig. i forgot i did that and im messing with my color... its not going to well
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Fixed your sig ... check the code and see how it's done 
Posted by: Gunslinger
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Originally posted by The-Fink
i dont think n e of that is true.... i think that guy just wanted to look smart to everyone.
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Well, as I mentioned, some of it IS true.
Posted by: Chako
Hmmm...I get a completely different slant from what he is saying. He is not proposing that the States should or are sovereign...just that the US has 2 official flags. 1 for military and 1 for civil government. Did some further digging and found some more info on this interesting topic. I found the site where the first guy got his stuff from. This site might make more sense.
http://www.barefootsworld.net/uscivilflag.html
and
http://www.civil-liberties.com/page...of_the_flag.htm
Guess its true...interesting piece of trivia if you ask me.
Posted by: Kdr Kane
I differ in my opinion. Most of the subjects on that site are "angry". And they are specifically angry and inflammatory at the U.S. Government. The statements run along the same lines as people that say the federal government is not authorized to collect income taxes. He believes the federal government is still operating under quasi-military rule.
As to the flag issue. There is a nice article on it here. It did fall out of favor after the Civil War. But, as with all things capitalistic, it was more expensive than the military flag because there was less demand for it.
As for ending the Civil War, there was a formal and written surrender. What else do you need? Nobody formally recognised the Confederacy as a nation. To imply the war is still going on is a bit infantile.
Posted by: Chako
Yes Kane, however the reason why I posted it was that I found it interesting..not due to their political slant or views...My only focus was the second flag.
For the record..I already posted that link. :P
Posted by: Fink
ty laggy hehe. i was a little off
Posted by: Fink
hey!!! my sig. changed already?!?!?! cool i didnt know it did that 
Posted by: AK47
the south will rise again!
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