|
|
 |
|
|
Pages: 1
G4 powerbook and the internet
(Click here to view the original thread with full colors/images)
Posted by: BooRadley
I just got a new G4 Powerbook as a long-term loaner from work. One of the super-cool, metal, wide screen ones. Does anyone have any tips or tricks to share? I used to tech Mac OS, but I quit back right when OS 9 came out, so I'm kind of out of the loop.
Also, I'm going to get a wireless router. Should I get an Airport, or just get something normal?
Posted by: matt.modica
I know nothing about apple stuff...
As for the router, I don't know what an airport router is, but if its a router for airports, then don't get it.
Posted by: trekpsycho
 Quote:
|
Originally Posted by matt.modica
I know nothing about apple stuff...
As for the router, I don't know what an airport router is, but if its a router for airports, then don't get it.
|
Apple Airport Router
Posted by: uh...ok
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by matt.modica
I know nothing about apple stuff...
|
Okay, so what was the point of your post? Seriously, why the heck did you reply to his post?
Quote:
|
As for the router, I don't know what an airport router is, but if its a router for airports, then don't get it.
|
Oh man, I don't even know if this makes it even better or worse. But at least it's going to make people laugh, even though they'd be laughing *at* you.
Alright, now back to the thread... Congrats, and welcome to the dark side, BooRadley. You'll find it to be quite awesome.  First of all, for your Airport question... you'll probably get slightly better performance from an Airport router, but ultimately, I don't think it matters much. At home, we have a Netgear and my 12" Powerbook connects just fine.
I don't think there's any real user advice anyone can give you though - simply because it's totally a personal taste thing. For example, I could tell you to learn all about UNIX so you can take full advantage of the fact that MacOS actually has a real shell. But I know people who get by just fine without ever touching the terminal.
But a few things I *can* tell you is what software you should immediately be looking for, and second, that you'll find that most of the software you'll need are either already included with the OS or are free and/or open source. With that said, here are a couple of open source and freeware programs that I'm using on my Powerbook that I think everyone should have.
QuickSilver - No Mac user should *not* use this. For any reason whatsoever. 
Adium - The best IM client ever made.
USBOverdrive - If you have a 12-button mouse for your laptop like me. (Or even any number of buttons that OS X does not by default support.)
The only thing MacOS doesn't have up to par with Windows is ACDSee. There is an ACDSee version for Mac, but it's kind of crappy. And I don't like iPhoto, so instead I use CocoViewX, which is pretty good too.
If you use LaTeX, there's a really nice Mac TeX editor called TeXShop (google for it) ... Speaking of editors, there's also a cool one called SubEtha Edit that has some nifty thing with concurrent editing over the network. And a bunch of other really cool editors as well, even though OS X's built in TextEdit is pretty nice in its own right (kicks Notepad and Wordpad's ass - they're not even in the same league).
It's probably better, though, for you to just ask "I need a program that does X", and then figure out where to go from there.
Oh, I did think of a couple of random tips:
- Use Expose to its fullest... though I guess if you got a 17" it probably won't matter so much.
- Most, if not all programs have a basic set of overlapping hotkeys. For example, Apple+Q always quits, Apple+H always hides, Apple+, almost always puts you on the pref page. (Last one is especially useful.) Apple+w closes windows or browser tabs ... and in Safari, if you want to switch between tabs, the hotkey is Apple+Shift+L/R arrow. You can also use L/R arrows to navigate your Alt-Tab bar, and I think your mouse works there too...
- If you plan on doing any kind of development on your Powerbook, make sure you check out Apple Developer Connection for Mac-specific software toolchains, compilers, etc. There's lots of stuff there that you'll find useful, and all of it is free.
Posted by: BooRadley
Excellent info. THanks!
For what it's worth, I got a Linksys wireless router and it's working just fine. One of the main reasons I got them to get me a powerbook instead of a Dell laptop is because of the shell. I told them I need it to test scripts on before moving them to production machines, but I made that crap up. I just wanted the spiffy machine
Posted by: gam3r
Roflmao apple.
Posted by: redwench
i know nothing about macs, but felt the need to post. that is all.
Posted by: uh...ok
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by gam3r
Roflmao apple.
|
Ah the sound of ignorance and stupidity.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by BooRadley
One of the main reasons I got them to get me a powerbook instead of a Dell laptop is because of the shell. I told them I need it to test scripts on before moving them to production machines, but I made that crap up. I just wanted the spiffy machine |
Hahaha, awesome. Though to be honest, they could simply have told you to put Linux on a cheap-o Dell and that would have served your alleged purpose just as well.
Posted by: gam3r
You're an idiot. Any computer made by apple is horrible. The only good use their computers have is video editing and maybe a few other things. Other than that apple made computer are incompatible with so much stuff. Its a pain. They are especially horrible for gaming, which i like to do. Go away.
Posted by: uh...ok
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by gam3r
You're an idiot. Any computer made by apple is horrible. The only good use their computers have is video editing and maybe a few other things. Other than that apple made computer are incompatible with so much stuff. Its a pain. They are especially horrible for gaming, which i like to do. Go away.
|
Just because they're not built for gaming - or rather, just because not a lot of game developers make them for Mac (and mostly because they're not mainstream) - doesn't mean every computer made by Apple is horrible.
You're making some rather uninformed comments - and it really shows how little you know or understand about computers and how they work. Have you ever used an Apple before? In fact, have you ever really used a computer to do something other than play games? I suspect not.
I know plenty of people - both here at OTS and offline - who are stuck with Windows, who would like to switch to Linux or to a Mac, but don't simply on the grounds of gaming. And I respect that, because I consider myself a gamer (a casual one, at least) and have a Windows machine as well (I'm writing this post on my Windows desktop, for example).
But before a gamer, I am a student, and in a year or two, I'll be working as a developer. And for those purposes, having a computer whose purpose main *isn't* to play games is more important.
A lot of people complain that Linux is too hard to use, and for the most part, I concur. That's the beauty of using a Mac - it's got all the usability of Windows (and a lot more, since OS X is by far superior to Windows when it comes to usability), plus the flexibility of being able to do all the low level configuration and development that Linux allows you to do (since OS X is built on top of UNIX).
Now let's hear you say something to back your comments up that are grounded on real facts, rather than an uninformed, mass-minded opinion.
Posted by: uh...ok
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by redwench
i know nothing about macs, but felt the need to post. that is all.
|
<3 redwench. 
Oh, and I finally found the article I was looking for: http://paulgraham.com/mac.html
For those too lazy to click on the link, here's the first paragraph as a teaser:
Quote:
|
All the best hackers I know are gradually switching to Macs. My friend Robert said his whole research group at MIT recently bought themselves Powerbooks. These guys are not the graphic designers and grandmas who were buying Macs at Apple's low point in the mid 1990s. They're about as hardcore OS hackers as you can get.
|
This is an awesome article by Paul Graham (which was slashdotted back in March) talking about a phenomenon that I've been seeing over the past few years among those in my peers who I consider to be much smarter than me (and I didn't get to jump onto the bandwagon until I tried out an RCC iBook for a term one year and a few months ago).
I just realized, too, that the "my friend Robert" he's talking about is Robert Morris, who happens to be my OS professor , and his group is PDOS here in CSAIL.
Posted by: BooRadley
http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/m...macforunix.html
I found that. I thought my company had locked down the root account, but it turns out it's just like that by default with the Mac. (Probably a good idea, too.) Now that I can open that account, I can do everything I need and still have a cool GUI.
Posted by: matt.modica
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by uh...ok
Oh man, I don't even know if this makes it even better or worse. But at least it's going to make people laugh, even though they'd be laughing *at* you.
|
I don't care if you laugh at me for not knowing anything about apple (see, I just proved my point).
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by gam3r
Any computer made by apple is horrible.
|
Thank you!!! I mentioned in another post that you can get an equally good IBM computer for about $1000 less. Thats how bad they are. And they don't even come with monitors or keyboards or mice or printers or speakers that come with IBM desktop systems most of the time.
Posted by: uh...ok
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by BooRadley
http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/m...macforunix.html
I found that. I thought my company had locked down the root account, but it turns out it's just like that by default with the Mac. (Probably a good idea, too.) Now that I can open that account, I can do everything I need and still have a cool GUI.
|
Hmm, I think the easier way to access root than from what they suggest is to just use "sudo su".
I find myself rarely needing root access, though.
Posted by: uh...ok
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by matt.modica
Thank you!!! I mentioned in another post that you can get an equally good IBM computer for about $1000 less. Thats how bad they are. And they don't even come with monitors or keyboards or mice or printers or speakers that come with IBM desktop systems most of the time.
|
You're thanking him for putting down a system he doesn't even know or understand? Well, I guess since you're doing the same thing...
In the other thread I already addressed what you wrote. By the way, please stop referring to PCs as "IBM computers" - they're not the same thing. Before you make another post like this, please actually *read* what I've written on either thread and then proceed to comment. Read the article I linked in an earlier post on this thread. If you open your mind just a little bit, you might actually learn something.
This place never ceases to amaze me. There's such an amazing tech support staff around here that's so willing to help, but it's always spoiled by a few who constantly give out bad advice or make uninformed comments and continue to spread misinformation among the those who don't know better to distinguish fact from fiction. What's sad is that one of the reasons those few exist is because they themselves are a victim of others doing the same thing.
I beg you all: please educate yourselves in areas you don't understand before you attempt to either give advice or make blanket statements such as "X sucks" without any reasonable grounds. And before you post, please ask yourself, "Will my post add any value whatsoever to this thread?" If the answer is no, then it's a perfect opportunity to exercise a little self-control.
And Matt, for Christ's sake, I'm going to ask this again: start reading what people write before you make any more posts. I was going to remind you about this in another thread, but held back before because I thought it would be rude, but now I see that it's necessary: http://www.opentechsupport.net/foru...ead.php?t=38459
I can't believe I'm actually trying to make somebody learn from TheeMon.
Posted by: redwench
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by uh...ok
I can't believe I'm actually trying to make somebody learn from TheeMon.
|
youve descended to the depths now. were all doomed.
Posted by: BooRadley
They're actually nice. It's a full blown Unix system with Apple's interface built into an X11 system. It's pretty bad-ass. It's kind of like running Linux on Sparc hardware, except it's cool as hell. The keyboard and display automatically adjust brightness based on ambiant room lighting
Posted by: matt.modica
I'm sorry if that sounded a little to put down -ish, but I've just had really bad experiences with macs. And do you ever read the sale fliers from best buy and circuit city and compusa and stapples and officemax and office deopt? They have macs for like $2000 where you just get the computer and then you look on the next page and they have a pc for $1000 that has the same specs but just a different dual core processor and come with a different opperating system (duh). But the best part is that the pc's come with a monitor and a keyboard and a mouse and a printer and speakers. I will try to look around on the web for proof. And when I mean specs, I don't just mean clock speed, I mean optical drive, amount of ram, hard disk capacity, and so on.
Posted by: uh...ok
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by matt.modica
I'm sorry if that sounded a little to put down -ish, but I've just had really bad experiences with macs. And do you ever read the sale fliers from best buy and circuit city and compusa and stapples and officemax and office deopt? They have macs for like $2000 where you just get the computer and then you look on the next page and they have a pc for $1000 that has the same specs but just a different dual core processor and come with a different opperating system (duh). But the best part is that the pc's come with a monitor and a keyboard and a mouse and a printer and speakers. I will try to look around on the web for proof. And when I mean specs, I don't just mean clock speed, I mean optical drive, amount of ram, hard disk capacity, and so on.
|
What are these bad experiences you speak of? You still haven't given any concrete reasons besides the pricetag on why "Apples suck". All you've been doing is repeating, over and over again, about the fact that Apples are more expensive than PCs with similar specs.
And you don't need to give me any proof of that. I've already said multiple times that the pricetag is justified because you're paying for quality. You're paying for a better architecture, a better designed machine, quality parts, and a superior OS. Does a Mercedes or a BMW suck because it costs double the price of a cheap Honda Civic? I don't even need to go so far with the analogy. By your line of reasoning, IBM computers suck because they usually cost double the price of a machine with similar specs. Go shop around for IBM brand computers. Are you going to start saying that IBM sucks too?
By the way, any computer you buy from those places you listed at "cheap prices" are probably total, utter crap. They run on the most proprietary pieces of shit for hardware that could ever touch the face of the earth. I've not seen a single one of those machines last for more than a year without needing a complete overhaul of some sort somewhere in between, and they're usually riddled with problems on the way there. I wouldn't be caught dead buying a machine from any of those places. Stop trying to compare prices between e-Machines to Apples. And you keep mentioning that those computers come with monitors, keyboards, mice, printers, speakers... but you neglect to mention the fact that those are the most generic parts you could possibly get, whose total combined value isn't even worth a fraction of what you're paying for for the machine. If anything, it just shows how easily sold you are by such cheap marketing tactics.
Is AOL better than whatever ISP you're using because it comes with its own free browser, free e-mail client, and best of all, 5000000 free hours? Did you get the complimentary T-shirt? Apple doesn't include T-shirts in their package, omgwtf they must suck.
I get the impression that you still haven't really bothered to actually READ any of my posts, nor the article I linked in this thread. I could ask you to do so again, but since all you're going to do is gloss over this post as well, what's the point?
On a final note, I don't appreciate you trying to bring this discussion onto other threads. You can be more mature than that (can't you?). The purpose of these forums is to help people in need, not for you to flaunt your uninformed opinions.
Posted by: DemonBob
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by uh...ok
What are these bad experiences you speak of? You still haven't given any concrete reasons besides the pricetag on why "Apples suck". All you've been doing is repeating, over and over again, about the fact that Apples are more expensive than PCs with similar specs.
And you don't need to give me any proof of that. I've already said multiple times that the pricetag is justified because you're paying for quality. You're paying for a better architecture, a better designed machine, quality parts, and a superior OS. Does a Mercedes or a BMW suck because it costs double the price of a cheap Honda Civic? I don't even need to go so far with the analogy. By your line of reasoning, IBM computers suck because they usually cost double the price of a machine with similar specs. Go shop around for IBM brand computers. Are you going to start saying that IBM sucks too?
By the way, any computer you buy from those places you listed at "cheap prices" are probably total, utter crap. They run on the most proprietary pieces of shit for hardware that could ever touch the face of the earth. I've not seen a single one of those machines last for more than a year without needing a complete overhaul of some sort somewhere in between, and they're usually riddled with problems on the way there. I wouldn't be caught dead buying a machine from any of those places. Stop trying to compare e-Machines to Apples. And you keep mentioning that those computers come with monitors, keyboards, mice, printers, speakers... but you neglect to mention the fact that those are the most generic parts you could possibly get, whose total combined value isn't even worth a fraction of what you're paying for for the machine. If anything, it just shows how easily sold you are by such cheap marketing tactics.
Is AOL better than whatever ISP you're using because it comes with its own free browser, free e-mail client, and best of all, 5000000 free hours? Did you get the complimentary T-shirt? Apple doesn't include T-shirts in their package, omgwtf they must suck.
I get the impression that you still haven't really bothered to actually READ any of my posts, nor the article I linked in this thread. I could ask you to do so again, but since all you're going to do is gloss over this post as well, what's the point?
On a final note, I don't appreciate you trying to bring this discussion onto other threads. You can be more mature than that (can't you?). The purpose of these forums is to help people in need, not for you to flaunt your uninformed opinions. |
Very well said.
I've rarely used a mac, mainly because i can't afford them. But being that I work in a datacenter. I use them from time to time. And I find that they are easy to use, and can do almost anything a windows machine can do. Except for gaming that is. But this is probally due that I use nothing but FreeBSD anymore anyways so i am accustomed to getting around a terminal. Not to mention I agree that the X11 interface for the OS, is eye candy/
The bottom line is. Every computer, every OS has their, has their pro's and con's. But before you start downing them, list other pro's and con's or problems you've hand besides nagging on price.
Just to clarify, I use Windows, Unix, Novell, and a few other OS's throughout the day, and I use to shudder at the thought of using an Apple PC, or any form of UNIX. But working at a datacenter, you come to realize the pro's and con's for all the different type of systems
Some Pro's: Disputable
Mac's = Very good at Video Editing, Image Manipulation, and various other tasks.
PC w/Windows = Great Desktop, server systems are ok as long as you keep them up to date. No big features, have to have GUI.
PC w/UNIX/Linux = Great Server for web, secure because hackers are busy attacking windows, can run without GUI save resources, Can run Win32 applications with Wine if need be.
PC w/Novell = Even though it's not widely used anymore, Novell's AD, file system, and permissions system for their server, is beyond anything Windows has IMHO, again can run without GUI to save resources, once you set it up, you hardly ever have to touch the machine again, Since you can manipulate it from a windows machine.
Some Con's: Disputable
Mac's = Can't run games...not that big of a con really. (I've not used mac's enough to reconized any more con's)
PC w/Windows = Virus's and Spyware prone, attack prone. MS is slow to respond to some threats, crash a lot, and complain a lot. Resource hogs...
PC w/Unix/Unix = Hard to Install for beginners. Can have hardware conflicts, and limited hardware support, due to manufactures creating drivers for the bigger consumer base. A.I.E.a Windows.
PC w/Novell = The permissions system for their AD is daunting at first. Again, Hardware conflicts, for reason stated above.
These are just some. I repeat Some pro's and con's, and because i am at work at the moment i can't elaborate more. But i am sure Uh...Ok can.
Oh and if you explain the problems you we're having with Apple systems, maybe Uh...ok might be able to explain why that was occurring...(hmm what a thought), instead of complaing about prices.
Posted by: BooRadley
Apple has always had better hardware and a more stable OS. A big part of the reason is that the OS is made specifically for the hardware. Trying to compare an Apple to a PC in the desktop market is like trying to compare a 9000 class HP server or a Sparc server to a Linux box in the server market. The proprietary systems are going to be better, mostly because they were written specifically for the hardware they're running on, while Linux and windows are written to run on whatever you happen to throw together. That's a hell of a lot of overhead.
The one thing that always kept me from a Mac, again, is the price tag, but since this one was free, I jumped on it.
Posted by: gam3r
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by uh...ok
Just because they're not built for gaming - or rather, just because not a lot of game developers make them for Mac (and mostly because they're not mainstream) - doesn't mean every computer made by Apple is horrible.
You're making some rather uninformed comments - and it really shows how little you know or understand about computers and how they work. Have you ever used an Apple before? In fact, have you ever really used a computer to do something other than play games? I suspect not.
|
No, thats all I use my computer for, games games games. I don't use any other programs Windows has to offer, none. I don't even use a web browser. How im here posting, I know not, but I certainly do not use a browser. And for typing up papers for school, I just type them up in the consols within my games. From there, I take tons of screenshots and then hand those into my teacher.
And also, I have used an apple before. The first computer I ever used was an apple, so please shut up.
Posted by: uh...ok
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by gam3r
No, thats all I use my computer for, games games games. I don't use any other programs Windows has to offer, none. I don't even use a web browser. How im here posting, I know not, but I certainly do not use a browser. And for typing up papers for school, I just type them up in the consols within my games. From there, I take tons of screenshots and then hand those into my teacher.
|
Yay for reading posts literally. You know what I meant - don't nitpick words with me. And from both your language and what you've said so far, it still isn't clear to me that you understand any more about computers than the average surf-the-web/play-games/check-email user; okay, so maybe you can figure out how to install/troubleshoot a game or how to keep your drivers updated so that Windows stays happy for the most part. But that doesn't even scratch the surface on understanding how the damn thing actually works. How can you claim to know anything about the quality of a given system if you don't know jack about it?
I don't claim to know everything about computers and exactly how they work, by the way, so don't take me the wrong way. But I have slightly more than an inkling about how it all comes together, what makes it tick, and what does or doesn't make a system ... for lack of a better word, suck. And in case you haven't noticed, the brand name isn't it. The fact that it's not used by 80% of the computing population isn't it.
Quote:
|
And also, I have used an apple before. The first computer I ever used was an apple,
|
And when was that? What system did you use? What did you use it for, and for how long did you use it? What was so bad about it?
You've only made ungrounded comments so far - you've given absolutely no justifications for your opinion.
Quote:
I have as much right to post in these forums as you do. If you make derogatory comments without any good basis (or any basis whatsoever), I'm going to call you on it. Adding childish lines like these to your posts will neither help your case nor make me "go away".
Posted by: uh...ok
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by DemonBob
Mac's = Very good at Video Editing, Image Manipulation, and various other tasks.
|
The most overlooked "pro" is that Mac OS X is actually a really great development platform. While this idea hasn't caught on in the mainstream yet (everyone is still caught up with the whole "Macs are only good for video/image editing" stereotype, as demonstrated by other members in this forum), it definitely has been around in CS research institutes and even in industry.
Where I worked this past summer, all the engineers developed on Linux boxes in their cubes, but if people wanted to work on laptops, the company gave them two choices: IBM Thinkpads or Apple Powerbooks. Most developers chose the Powerbooks because the Thinkpads only had Windows installed on them.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by BooRadley
The one thing that always kept me from a Mac, again, is the price tag, but since this one was free, I jumped on it.
|
I think their laptop line is decently priced. I paid ~$1500 for a 12" Powerbook, and that isn't all that much for a laptop. I mean, yeah it's definitely more expensive than your average Dell, but it's really not that much more for so much better user experience and just plain ol' quality.
Posted by: DemonBob
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by uh...ok
The most overlooked "pro" is that Mac OS X is actually a really great development platform. While this idea hasn't caught on in the mainstream yet (everyone is still caught up with the whole "Macs are only good for video/image editing" stereotype, as demonstrated by other members in this forum), it definitely has been around in CS research institutes and even in industry.
Where I worked this past summer, all the engineers developed on Linux boxes in their cubes, but if people wanted to work on laptops, the company gave them two choices: IBM Thinkpads or Apple Powerbooks. Most developers chose the Powerbooks because the Thinkpads only had Windows installed on them.
I think their laptop line is decently priced. I paid ~$1500 for a 12" Powerbook, and that isn't all that much for a laptop. I mean, yeah it's definitely more expensive than your average Dell, but it's really not that much more for so much better user experience and just plain ol' quality.
|
I figured that Mac is now a good development platform, since it is based on Unix and all. I just never had experiance developing anything on a mac as of yet. So I left that for someone else to post. Once I get more experiance on mac besides the general task, such as Video Editing and Images, then i'll know more pro's and con's...i was not trying to be sterotypical 
About the "Price" arguement, remember this "You get what you paid for".
Posted by: gam3r
Uh...ok, im not going to have a 10 page drawn out argument with you. I never said I was a computer wiz. I know how computers work and I can do more than the average person and thats it.
Posted by: uh...ok
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by gam3r
Uh...ok, im not going to have a 10 page drawn out argument with you. I never said I was a computer wiz. I know how computers work and I can do more than the average person and thats it.
|
Well, you've given us absolutely no reason to believe you, and that's it. You've not given a single valid justification for any of your comments - all you've been doing is throwing insults around.
Knowing a little more about computers than the average person doesn't give you license to laugh at a system you barely understand. Nor does it automatically make you right about what you think you know. Do some research next time before you write something as ignorant as "Roflmao apple.", and if you do write something like that again, back it up.
Posted by: matt.modica
1. Yes, I do read all of your posts, even though it may not seem like it.
2. I am entitled to an oponion, aren't I?
3. Yes, AOL does suck because they send you CDs in the mail that say "1175 hours free for 50 days". If you do the math, that comes out to over 23 hours each day. I hope nobody is that stupid.
4. Keep in mind not just the physical components of the computer. Nobody uses macs these days. think of all the compatibility issues you might have if your mac doesn't work with the rest of the world. Can you name one company that uses macs?
5. You keep saying that you can't compare macs and PCs, so why do you keep saying that macs are just as good?
Posted by: matt.modica
Quote:
|
all you've been doing is throwing insults around.
|
All everyone's been doing is insulting other things.
Posted by: redwench
dont make me send you all to your rooms without supper.
Posted by: uh...ok
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by matt.modica
4. Keep in mind not just the physical components of the computer. Nobody uses macs these days. think of all the compatibility issues you might have if your mac doesn't work with the rest of the world. Can you name one company that uses macs?
|
I can't believe you just said that, given that this thread is about someone using a Mac, given that you claim to have been reading my posts when I've listed several examples in this thread of people using Macs, including the company I worked for this past summer (which wasn't any small company, mind you).
Seriously, do you know how to read or comprehend anything that other people say?
Macs are entirely compatible with the rest of the world. There's nothing special about Macs that makes them incompatible with everything. The only thing Macs aren't entirely compatible with is Windows, but the same could be said for any Linux or Sun platform. And if Windows is the entirety of your world, then you need serious help.
How many companies do you know? How much do you know about these companies? How can you make such groundless claims? Wait, that's all you've been doing this whole time, so this shouldn't surprise me. Yet somehow, you continually find new ways to amaze me with your lack of ability to listen to or understand anything other people say.
Quote:
|
5. You keep saying that you can't compare macs and PCs, so why do you keep saying that macs are just as good?
|
I've never said that you can't compare Macs and PCs. Where the heck are you getting this from? This whole topic has been about comparing Macs to PCs; and while I and some others have given plenty of observations about the advantages and disadvantages of either one, all you've been doing is blindly saying the same thing over and over again.
Quote:
|
1. Yes, I do read all of your posts, even though it may not seem like it.
|
Well it's pretty obvious from points 4 and 5 that you either don't actually read my posts, or you're actually not paying attention to any of it when you do. "Even though it may not seem like it"? Since you're able to acknowledge that yourself, why is that?
Quote:
|
2. I am entitled to an oponion, aren't I?
|
Yes, you are entitled to an opinion. But it's one thing to say "A is bad because of X, Y, and Z" and another to just say "A is bad just because I said so." If you're going to voice your opinion in a public forum in such a derogatory fashion, without any justification whatsoever or if the basis for your justification is either misinformed or blatantly wrong, and without having any real knowledge on the topic at all, you better damn well be ready for people to call you on it.
Posted by: BooRadley
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by matt.modica
Nobody uses macs these days. think of all the compatibility issues you might have if your mac doesn't work with the rest of the world.
|
They've been growing again. One for ease of use, two for stability, three because they're damned spiffy, and four because they're unix. Ease of use and stability are just something that Apple's been doing since 1984 when Gates was still trying to reverse engineer a borrowed Lisa system. The real reason they bounced back, I'm sad to say, is because they're so cool looking. But this has been more useful because it's a unix system, and that's what I work on. I can run and test scripts here, then move them to a real machine. I can use the same scripts on this as I do on my workstation. I can use much of the same x software, too. With Windows, I had to get cygwin to make it useful. I mean, without a shell, a computer is a paperweight with a screen saver, as far as I'm concerned. It's native in MacOs X.
There's still the problem of price tags. Since Apple's the only company that makes Mac's, there's no competition to keep the prices down, but you pay for quality. So far, I'm really happy with this thing, and I'm still exploring all the nifty trinkets they include. I just found 'dashboard widgets' last night, for example. Fun fun fun.
Anyway, PCs are cheaper because they pretty open systems. Windows is ass, though. Linux is good, but there's still limited support of commercial applications that you might need. Mac's are great, but they cost a stupid high ammount.
Each to his own, ya' know?
(I think the number of apps available for MacOs and Linux are going to increase, since they can feed off of each other now. You can relatively easily port applications between the two, which hopefully will make devellopers start to consider both markets more valuable.)
Posted by: gam3r
Uh...ok=
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._last_day_1.jpg
You should be a lawyer.
LOCK PLZ, K THX
Posted by: taco_fox
http://deuce.made2own.com/~tacofox/stuff/futility.jpg
PC and Windows for life <3
Posted by: gam3r
I say we just settle this with a pole, which ever gets more votes, pc or mac, will be the winner. Then we can end all this arguing and have a picnic.
Posted by: goranpaa
Well said!
Maybe we should have a "Flaming Warzone". Where people can sort out their differences and kick eachother in the pants....To the "spectators" amuzement.
I dont think, that the people that is coming here searching for help. Is overly enthusiastic, having an ongoing verbal duel over their post.
Posted by: Outlaw
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by gam3r
I say we just settle this with a pole, which ever gets more votes, pc or mac, will be the winner. Then we can end all this arguing and have a picnic.
|
Why would you want to make a PC vs Mac poll when this argument isn't about which one's better?
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by goranpaa
I dont think, that the people that is coming here searching for help. Is overly enthusiastic, having an ongoing verbal duel over their post.
|
Maybe not, but they don't need any useless comments or false information either.
Posted by: matt.modica
Perhaps we should stop using tech support forums to argue that PCs or Mac's are better. Everone just be quiet already!
Hey, will one of the moderators please close this thread down? We have already solved the problem.
Posted by: gam3r
http://gallery.oiforums.com/data/501/9gaythread.jpg
Posted by: trekpsycho
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by goranpaa
I dont think, that the people that is coming here searching for help. Is overly enthusiastic, having an ongoing verbal duel over their post.
|
I don't know. I'm kinda enjoying it!
Posted by: redwench
its somewhat amusing. the only thing worthy of thread closing would be the image above.
Posted by: trekpsycho
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by redwench
its somewhat amusing. the only thing worthy of thread closing would be the image above.
|
***snickers quietly***
Posted by: BooRadley
I had forgotten how intense the Mac Vs PC war was. Since I left tech support and move to back-end server support, that kind of died off. We use all kinds of different systems at work, Irix, Digital Unix, HP-UX, Solaris, Linux, NT, XP, Apple, Tandem, Novel, and even Stratus and other weird proprietary crap. Each used because they fill specific needs. Which one's "better" can't be answered until the other question, "Better for what," gets answered.
That being said, I love this PowerBook. It's neat as hell.
Posted by: gam3r
I found a picture of you:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...boo-radley1.jpg
Got to love To Kill A Mochingbird
Posted by: matt.modica
Even though I hate apple stuff, I'm glad you like it. With that, I'm now retireing form this thread since the moderators won't block it.
|
|
|
|
|
