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Firefox 1.5 Released
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Posted by: Outlaw
The award-winning Web browser is better than ever. Browse the Web with confidence - Firefox protects you from viruses, spyware and pop-ups. Enjoy improvements to performance, ease of use and privacy. It's easy to import your favorites and settings and get started. Download Firefox now and get the most out of the Web.
You can find the download at Mozilla's site, or get it straight from their FTP site.
Posted by: FadedMaster
I've been using 1.5 since the first beta and it's pretty good. Only difference I really noticed was the options menu, the update system, and it's a bit faster.
Posted by: Bishop
Does it not suck anymore?
Posted by: SKYHN
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Does it not suck anymore?
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We are talking about Firefox, not IE.
Posted by: Bishop
Firefox has been plauged with problems, it's hardly the end all be all browser the fanboys claim it to be.
Posted by: FadedMaster
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Firefox has been plauged with problems, it's hardly the end all be all browser the fanboys claim it to be.
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But it is still probably the best browser out there. If you know of one that is better, please share that way each individual user can make their own minds up. 
Posted by: uh...ok
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Originally Posted by FadedMaster
But it is still probably the best browser out there. If you know of one that is better, please share that way each individual user can make their own minds up. |
Opera is quite nice, and has been free for awhile. Unfortunately, I can't figure out how to make the cookie-handling interface to do the same thing as Firefox (because if I could, I would totally use Opera instead of FF).
I still use IE for my school gmail account.
Of course, Firefox probably may still win just because of GreaseMonkey. I think at work this summer, practically everyone used Mozilla or Firefox, except for the Sales/Hiring people. 
Posted by: FadedMaster
I used Opera for a while once. Just seemed so cluttered compared to how compact you can make Firefox. I prefer everything on my screen to be compact.
Posted by: uh...ok
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I used Opera for a while once. Just seemed so cluttered compared to how compact you can make Firefox. I prefer everything on my screen to be compact.
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I'm sure you can customize Opera to run as compactly as Firefox, AND it won't crash every other hour on you like Firefox does.
Posted by: FadedMaster
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Originally Posted by uh...ok
I'm sure you can customize Opera to run as compactly as Firefox, AND it won't crash every other hour on you like Firefox does.
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I've never had Firefox crash on me. Not even when it was in the beta stages.
Posted by: Davace
I use firefox as my main browser and it works fine no complaints here.. I am even updated on the weather.. what else could one ask for? And it's free..
Posted by: Ion Silverbolt
The only beef I have had with Firefox was increased javascript popups. The noscript extension easily takes care of that though.
Supposedly 1.5 has improved in this area. The noscript extension works well enough for me.
Posted by: taco_fox
I used to get random popups in Firefox until I got a custom Hosts file from here. I probably could have used Adblock for this, but this way I block ads in IE as well when I have to use it.
Posted by: lcousins
from a design perspective i wish everyone would use firefox :P I hate having to make go white space hunting so that graphics look good in IE.
from a user perspective i still have both IE and Firefox loaded, i use firefox for anything that requires me to log in and ie for random browsing and googling
Posted by: BlackSphinx
I've only ever had 2 problems with FF.
1) Its a tad bit slower than my IE. Doesn't make a big difference.
2) I can't watch music videos from music.yahoo.com from FF. Maybe a plugin issue, maybe not - definantly not worth the effort trying to figure it out.
With all the service pack 2 security things, IE for me has become almost as good - at least as good at stopping spyware for me. But I like the tab system FF has, so i'm sticking with it.
Posted by: redwench
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I'm sure you can customize Opera to run as compactly as Firefox, AND it won't crash every other hour on you like Firefox does.
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something is very wrong with your computer. i can count on one hand the number of times ff has randomly crashed on me, and thats after a couple years of use and 2 different OS. there are a couple sites that seem to crash it regularly, but thats not random.
Posted by: trekpsycho
I love Firefox. The only thing I use IE for is one website related to my job and Windows Update.
Posted by: Bishop
firefox handles itself very differently depending on the machine, user, plugins, etc.
Better than IE? Sure.
Best thing since sliced bread? Eh.
Posted by: lcousins
sliced bread is greatly overrated...
Im a bit intrigued at why the update checker just suggests moving up to 1.0.7 and not 1.5 . an ideas why (not that it matters, got it off the main site anyway)
Posted by: redwench
1.5 is a new version, not just an update i beleive. probably requires a full download.
Posted by: uh...ok
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something is very wrong with your computer. i can count on one hand the number of times ff has randomly crashed on me, and thats after a couple years of use and 2 different OS. there are a couple sites that seem to crash it regularly, but thats not random.
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Hehe, I never said it was random.
For awhile I had iGoogle set as my homepage for Firefox, but after Firefox started crashing randomly consistently on startup (randomly consistently meaning not always, but once it starts happening, it will consistently happen during that given period of loads) and I would basically have to race and hit the "Stop" button before FF got to the website, I had to set it back to about:blank. 
Posted by: foolonthehill
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Originally Posted by FadedMaster
But it is still probably the best browser out there. If you know of one that is better, please share that way each individual user can make their own minds up. |
I'm a Mozilla fan myself. I stopped using Firefox a year ago because it wouldn't display certain web sites properly. I too had some problems with it crashing, wiping out all my settings and bookmarks. So ....yes it does have problems.
I love Mozilla....especially the SkyPilot skin. Never had a problem with it. It's like an army tank. I know it's a bit bloated but you can custom install it and eliminate some of the options.
The only time i use IE is for accessing MSN music service
Posted by: FadedMaster
I never use IE. As a matter of fact it's disabled on my system (obviously I use Explorer to browse folders). I used to use Mozilla, but I tend to open and close the browser a lot and Mozilla isn't the quickest for that.
Posted by: matt.modica
FireFox had several small problems fixed in 1.5. Now mozilla needs to make ThunderBird 1.5. Also, a great extension is the google toolbar for FireFox. Its better then the default search bar.
http://toolbar.google.com/firefox/
Posted by: foolonthehill
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I never use IE. As a matter of fact it's disabled on my system (obviously I use Explorer to browse folders). I used to use Mozilla, but I tend to open and close the browser a lot and Mozilla isn't the quickest for that.
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Did you configure Mozilla to run in your quick launch tray?
Posted by: FadedMaster
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Did you configure Mozilla to run in your quick launch tray?
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Umm, if you mean how I had it set to store it's quick loader or whatever in ram in the system tray, then yes. I don't use the Quick Launch toolbar. Even with Mozilla stored in RAM or whatever it does when it's in the systray, it was still slower at loading than FF.
Posted by: SKYHN
Firefox can have a pre-load in the system tray? I was unaware of that feature.
Posted by: FadedMaster
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Firefox can have a pre-load in the system tray? I was unaware of that feature.
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The Mozilla Suite does. Not Firefox. Even though on my machine Firefox still loads before Mozilla even with the pre-load enabled.
Posted by: SKYHN
Oh I misread. Yeah firefox loads quite quickly, even when loaded up with extensions.
Posted by: FadedMaster
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Oh I misread. Yeah firefox loads quite quickly, even when loaded up with extensions.
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Yeah, I used to have it loaded up with extensions. Now I only use Paste and Go, Linkification, and SpellBound. I use my hosts file to block ads and eDexter.
Posted by: SKYHN
I use Download Status Bar, Download Sort and Adblock.
Adblock = TEH 0WN.
Posted by: Bishop
when it isn't preventing flash from being displayed, that is.
Posted by: FadedMaster
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when it isn't preventing flash from being displayed, that is.
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Yeah, I think the newest version blocks all flash or something. I tried editing the filter even and it still was blocking flash.
Posted by: Bishop
you have to disable it to view flash properly, then re-enable it.
Posted by: ~Binabik~
or use Adblock Plus....
Posted by: Tecil
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Originally Posted by uh...ok
I'm sure you can customize Opera to run as compactly as Firefox, AND it won't crash every other hour on you like Firefox does.
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I run Firefox on my work PC, my home PCs (x3), and my wife's PC, in the two years since I started using it, I have not had it crash once. If its causing that much problems on your PC then you have something else causing an instablility.
Posted by: gam3r
I use firefox and I think its great, although it had a few flaws. I don't like how some pluggins don't work; it may just be me, but I always run into pluggin problems. As for speed goes, iv been noticing that the browser has started slowing down. The first version was much faster, but I just have felt a huge incline in speed. Iv had firefox crash on me a few times, but just from pages with incompatible scrips. I have used opera and I think its nice and fast, but I just prefer to use firefox.
Posted by: uh...ok
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Originally Posted by Tecil
I run Firefox on my work PC, my home PCs (x3), and my wife's PC, in the two years since I started using it, I have not had it crash once. If its causing that much problems on your PC then you have something else causing an instablility.
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I highly doubt that's the case since my system is entirely stable (at least, within a reasonable degree of certainty). If anything, it could be a pathological incompatibility that Firefox may have with another program I'm concurrently using.
But I suspect it's just that Firefox has a lot of bugs when it comes to dealing with pages with Javascript and other things. The fact that many other people have similar experiences with Firefox on vastly differently configurations supports this. Likewise, on my Powerbook, Firefox crashes much more occasionally than Safari does. Oftentimes, a peek into top or Windows Task Manager will reveal Firefox to be eating up as much as (if not more than) 50% of the CPU and > 250MB of memory. Can we say memory leak?
I've been able to replicate some Firefox crashes. For example, I could pretty consistently replicate the iGoogle page crashing by loading up Eclipse (a Java IDE) first and then attempting to start a new instance of Firefox. Existing instances will load the page fine, but any new instance will end up crashing the browser, and subsequent restarts will continually crash.
As for why you haven't run into any problems? I'm guessing you just got lucky - perhaps you don't run as many other concurrent programs as I do, or don't visit the particular sites that I visit.
Despite everything, Firefox is still my browser of choice on Windows. The occasional crashes get annoying, but I can easily deal with it. For pages that simply won't load on FF, I always can revert to IE.
Posted by: TotalRecall
I know you're all just expressing your opinions and experiences, but how does this help Firefox (or ultimately its end users) in any way?
I can understand if this was a commercial product you had paid for (and were helping the community out by warning other potential buyers), but it's not and you don't have to use it. Firefox also isn't just free, it's open source; you can submit bug reports or attempt to fix something yourself, if you're comfortable with doing that.
It just seems to me that a lot of bitch and moaning here is pointless.
Posted by: Bishop
It's more about deflating the hype in terms of several thousand zealots proclaiming firefox to be the best thing since sliced bread and that it has no flaws whatsoever.
Which may seem a little extreme to any sensible person, an over-stylized drama of a viewpoint, you might say.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who firmly believe in the most ridiculous of things, and that scenario is merely one of them.
Besides which, this is the internet. Bitching and moaning go with the territory.
Posted by: TotalRecall
I see. Much of the anti-Microsoft zealotry has been transformed into pro-Firefox zealotry (please stop the Firefox button links). It's like the law of thermodynamics applied to devotion.
Being the internet, I had to bitch and moan about the bitchers and moaners, so the spiral continues...
Posted by: uh...ok
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I see. Much of the anti-Microsoft zealotry has been transformed into pro-Firefox zealotry (please stop the Firefox button links). It's like the law of thermodynamics applied to devotion.
Being the internet, I had to bitch and moan about the bitchers and moaners, so the spiral continues...
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Oh, please don't take it as bitching and moaning - I'm sorry that you had to read my posts from that perspective. My first post in this thread about the crashes was mostly meant to be a humorous jibe (and also, it was used more as a comparison to what I think could be a better browser) - and as I've mentioned multiple times, despite its flaws, I still find Firefox to be the most usable browser (for my Windows box at least). My later posts were only in defense towards the posts that said, "There's nothing wrong with Firefox, it's you." If I had any ulterior motive at any point, then Bishop may have hit the nail on the head.
Posted by: FadedMaster
Well, as pretty much covered, Firefox, just as everything, will have it's flaws. Some people will get lucky with the type of content they view and what exactly they use the browser for and encounter few or no problems. Others might encounter more. That's the whole point in releasing new versions with fixes to some of these problems. Firefox, as well as any other program, will never be 100% flawless.
Posted by: uh...ok
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Well, as pretty much covered, Firefox, just as everything, will have it's flaws. Some people will get lucky with the type of content they view and what exactly they use the browser for and encounter few or no problems. Others might encounter more. That's the whole point in releasing new versions with fixes to some of these problems. Firefox, as well as any other program, will never be 100% flawless.
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I don't know about you or the other programs in these forums, but I'm 100% flawless.
Posted by: redwench
youhawk and fadedmaster are programs now? im terribly disappointed.
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youhawk and fadedmaster are programs now? im terribly disappointed.
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You mean you aren't a program?
I'm terribly disappointed.
Posted by: FadedMaster
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I don't know about you or the other programs in these forums, but I'm 100% flawless.
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I was talking about these inferior programs of which the humans of this planet use. Not the programs of our origin.
Posted by: oderus1671
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Originally Posted by Bishop
Does it not suck anymore?
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Never has for me. I havent used IE since FF 1.0 ( or whatever it was when it came out). I found it to be much more stable and almost twice as fast as IE. Plus, IE has all the problems associated with Microsoft bundled right into it. Only thing I havent liked is it takes a second or two more to start it up.
Posted by: IceBreaker
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or use Adblock Plus....
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even this one is powerless against hover-ads (like all other so-called "ad-blocking" software as a matter of fact  )
Posted by: FadedMaster
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even this one is powerless against hover-ads (like all other so-called "ad-blocking" software as a matter of fact ) |
http://pierceive.com/filtersetg/
Using that filterset it's blocked on my computer.
Posted by: IceBreaker
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That's the problem: the only way to ward off these ads is to do so explicitly (filters ie. keywords, per site blocking etc.).
As of today no generic method can handle them since ad-blockers cannot even detect them
"smart"-blocking these ads seems impossible
cuss these hover-ads 
Posted by: FadedMaster
Eh, I don't run into them too often at all. I only tend to run into them on Spanish sites for some reason.
Posted by: IceBreaker
hehe... given their efficiency expect to see more of them in a not-so-far future -)
Posted by: NyGulkuk
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Originally Posted by redwench
1.5 is a new version, not just an update i beleive. probably requires a full download.
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You should also create and use a new Firefox profile, the structure has changed slightly.
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