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Problems with GPU....I think
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Posted by: shadysoldier
I was wondering if you could help me with my graphics card i installed the new drivers for it and it seems that it slowed down a bit; like when i minimize and bring up Warcraft 3 it lags which it didn't do before i installed the new drivers. Also sometimes when when i minimize it for a while and bring it back up my comp will reboot and windows says it is bsod(stop error) but with no blue screen with an error.
Also...
For some reason i have these little tiny dots on black screens, they are mostly blue and a little green. I'm pretty sure its not my monitor. Also, some times in Warcraft 3 1/4 of the screen will flash white and white lines will run up the mini map. In world of Warcraft some objects get stretched across the screen and when i minimize and bring it back up it is fixed for about 10-5 minutes. I don't think it is over heating because my GPU runs at about 40oC and i just got a new case Antec nine hundred.
I got the drivers from nvidia by clicking the recommended drivers for my system.
Thank you
Posted by: goranpaa
Those dots ( artifacts) spells overheating.
If you downloaded the ATITool, and runned the "artifact test" for a while I guess you would exsperience the same thing.
The 7900GT, GTO, GTX do have a less good vga cooler.
But if your card worked well from the beginning? I would say, get a can of pressureized air. Take out the card and go outside your house and clean the card through out.
Dust build up on the video card cooler and other heatsinks is a "good" way to get overheating sooner or later.
But if you have had this problem from the beginning? Get this vga cooler:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16835118001
This is an awesome vga cooler and very quiet.
As for driver updates. I hope you do uninstall the present video card driver in "add / remove programs", before installing the next one?
Never ever, install video card drivers on top of eachother! Then, you will have a cocktail of old driver stuff in the registry sooner or later.
If you have'nt uninstalled the present video card driver before updating before?
Download this driver cleaner, and run it after the uninstallation.
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=745
This is how you use it:
Enable the "multiple filter". Then add following to the filter: Nvidia, Nvidia wdm and Nvidia stereo. Run the cleaner and reboot.
Install the updated driver.
Posted by: shadysoldier
sweet imma go order one of those. Also, how exactly would i take my old one off and put the new one on.
Posted by: shadysoldier
If imma spend 34$ on a cooler might as well get a crazy one. What is a good VGA cooler for 30-70. One that is best for effect to price. That will prevent these annoying artifacts for good.
Posted by: goranpaa
The best for your card is the Zalman VF 900 CU I linked you to. There is a LED version too if you what to have some extra eye candy in your box.
But first, try cleaning the card with some pressureized air. You dont want dust on the card when mounting the Zalman.
If you look at the back of the card. You have a X shaped metal thingy with screws in each end.
Remove this, lift off the cooler. Then, carefully, remove the thermal pads on the video card memory chips. Should be 8 of them I belive. See picture below.
Clean the memory chips THROUGHOUT, with some isoprophyl alcohol and a lint free cloth. Do the same ting with the gpu, removing the old thermal paste.
Mount the small, blue memory heatsinks. But be aware of, there are one sink that differs in size from the others. And let thermal tape settle for at least 2 hours. Preferably longer time.
Apply the thermal paste in a "paper thin" layer over the top of the gpu. Too much paste is as bad as too little.
Btw, you can gain a couple of degees even lower temps, by using Arctic Silver Ceramique paste instead.
Then carefully mount the cooler itself. (Be careful so you dont bump off any of the RAM sinks while mounting the cooler). And connect the Zalman, Fan Mate II speed controller to a mobo, 3 pin fan header alternatively a 4 pin molex psu power cable.
Zalman, provides a good manual btw. You have a small installation movie here too:
http://www.zalman.co.kr/eng/product...dx=192&code=013
I had that Zalman for a very noicy Sapphire X1800GTO. After mounting the Zalman VF 900CU, I could'nt hear the video card cooler. And even close to the lowest speed. The X1800GTO, dropped 9C load!
Posted by: shadysoldier
hhmmmmm.......i was gonna order that till my friend at school showed me something......http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16835103017 for 20$ =O
any thoughts?
Posted by: goranpaa
Why on earth do you want water cooling for that card for? It's not a volcano hot X1900XTX in any way.
It's over kill. And you also have the risk of leakage that may fry some of your other stuff.
Many guys that have been water cooling fan boys before, are going air cooling instead. This, as todays air cooling soloutions is as good as most water cooling dito....And there's less hazzle and risks.
I bet, that the Zalman will cool the 7900 GTX just as good.
Posted by: shadysoldier
Well i was thinking...
http://xtreview.com/images/Geforce-7900-GTX%20.jpg
I was looking at gpu and thought to my self can that zalman cool beter the stocl cooler with heat pipes etc. I also thought my friend doesnt get artifacts and his pc runs a 54oC and my gpu runs at 42oC. Could it be my poor gpu has lost its tolerence to heat.
Posted by: goranpaa
But you see it is'nt nessisarily the gpu that overheats most. It could very well be the video memory that's overheating most. And that wont show up in a temperature monitor program. Such a program only measures the gpu temp from the thermal sensor on the card. The good thing about the Zalman, is that you get real heat sinks for the memory chips too. And that the air is better circulated with the Zalman than with the GTX stock cooler. The Zalman VF 900 CU is also a heatpipe cooler btw.
Also, your friends case may have better air flow than yours. Or / and, he may have a lower room temp than you.
Posted by: shadysoldier
Ight ill buy it asap hmmmmm, ill miss my sexy looking gpu cooler. hmm ill also buy some duck tape for sealing open spots on my case.
Posted by: goranpaa
O.k. let's hear from you when you have tested the Zalman cooler some.
Yeah, sealing unnessisairy vents and holes will help to improve the internal air pressure of the case.
Wich in it's turn will make the fans more effective.
Posted by: shadysoldier
whats the % this will cure my annoying artifacts?
I have the shopping cart open and waiting your response when u give the word ill hit "ok".
PS im getting the raptor 36gb hdd and will run raid 5 with my dieing hdd.
Posted by: shadysoldier
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16822136054
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16822136067
which one...performances or space space....im thinking performance.
ALSO IM AM SO PISSED AT ASUS
Like so so so pissed they better fix this when i call them tomorrow
I found the answer to every single problem ive been having. artifacts , over heating , hdd freaking out , random lock ups , bsod , etc....
Are you rdy?
Their is a defect in the a8n sli premium....
The north bridge fan is stuck..which explains the clicking sound i complained about....the damage has been done....already.....The guy i talked to at asus said ti si my hdd but i said it makes noise even when its just the board he told me not to worry about it that im hearing shit. Then my friend told me the same shit happened to hima nd what the problem was.....
Posted by: goranpaa
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Originally Posted by shadysoldier
whats the % this will cure my annoying artifacts?
I have the shopping cart open and waiting your response when u give the word ill hit "ok".
PS im getting the raptor 36gb hdd and will run raid 5 with my dieing hdd.
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Hi!
Pretty high. 90% I would say. Cuz if not somethings damaged or faulty on the card? Then it's just better cooling you need.
Posted by: goranpaa
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Originally Posted by shadysoldier
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16822136054
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16822136067
which one...performances or space space....im thinking performance.
ALSO IM AM SO PISSED AT ASUS
Like so so so pissed they better fix this when i call them tomorrow
I found the answer to every single problem ive been having. artifacts , over heating , hdd freaking out , random lock ups , bsod , etc....
Are you rdy?
Their is a defect in the a8n sli premium....
The north bridge fan is stuck..which explains the clicking sound i complained about....the damage has been done....already.....The guy i talked to at asus said ti si my hdd but i said it makes noise even when its just the board he told me not to worry about it that im hearing shit. Then my friend told me the same shit happened to hima nd what the problem was.....
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I googled some about northbridge fan problems with you mobo. Seems like a pretty common problem with that particular mobo.
But you can do the same thing I did when I had an AMD, Epox mobo with a noisy little chipset fan. It whas'nt damaged though, just irritating.
I simply took one of the spare case PCI plates that have been removed when mounting a card. And then I took the 70mm fan from the AMD, cpu stock cooler that came with the X2 4400+ cpu. And mounted it on the PCI plate....After I had bendt the PCI plate in a suitable shape using a plier. I used a couple of small zip ties and some of that sticky, gum like stuff you use for sticking notes to fridge door for ex. when mounting the fan to the PCI plate. That "note gum" ( sorry, I have no english word for it) will dampen vibrations too.
Then, I just removed the chipset fan, cleaned the northbridge heatsink from dust. And mounted this ghetto, spot cooler to a free, motherboard tray, stand off peg hole. Using a spare mobo standoff peg, a small washer and a screw. The fan whas about 5 cm from the chipset heatsink and slighly angeled to blow cross the heatsink. I could'nt use the 2 pin chipset fan mobo header though. But I solved this by using a spare, 3 pin fan to 4 pin psu Molex, fan power adapter that came with one of my case fans.
The NF4 chipset, never got hotter than 36C with this home made cooler. And it whas a lot more quiet too.
There are third party chipset coolers to get. But then you will have all the fuzz with removing the whole northbridge cooler ( eventually take out the mobo too) and cleaning old paste, and stuff. And the cost for the new chipset cooler of coarce.
You could of coarse get this, if you like a more good looking soloution?:
http://www.compusa.com/products/pro...uct_code=342486
Performance vice, those Raptors would be about the same.
At least, the difference wont be noticeable in day to day computing / gaming.
But 74 gig at 10.000 rpm is always nice to have.
Posted by: shadysoldier
the 74 has 8 cache and the 36 had 16 cache. any noticeable difference?
Posted by: goranpaa
Not much really unless you benchmark I guess. I can't see any difference in read / write speed in normal computing though.
Posted by: shadysoldier
on this
http://www.tbreak.com/reviews/article.php?id=382
where is my north bridge located
So I.....
1)get fan from my old 4400 stock fan
2) get a pci shield
3)attack them
4)remove old ran
4) attach the newly formed device to a mobo trey
right?
maybe
http://cgi.ebay.com/WD-Raptor-SATA-...1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Identical-Wes...bayphotohosting
Posted by: goranpaa
Yepp! Clean the chipset heatsink from dust too after removing the old fan.
Any of these HDD's will do.
Posted by: shadysoldier
The north bridge is the metal box next to the cpu right? and how do i take it off?
Posted by: shadysoldier
Also i read some things on the net and They should send me a new fan....even tho i made a cool fan mount.....Also i won the bid on the 76 G hdd off ebay =D
What are the raid configs like i think 0 is Twins or one is, don't remember.
Posted by: shadysoldier
Sry for spam but If i am correct and the north bridge is that thing next to the cpu...and the fan is stuck..the heat is carried on the heat on the heat pipe to the fan less design box under my GPU. Right above that box on the GPU, is the video memory chips which will cause crazy heat problems with artifacts. So maybe fixing this can save me money.
Maybe this time I can finally fix all my problems
new favorite saying: If you don't know what the chain of problems our it is most likely the mobo
Posted by: goranpaa
Hmmm, I 'm a bit confused here. What heat pipe + fan? No such mobo have both fan and heatpipe for the chipset cooling.
Could you please tell me wich of the Asus A8N Premium mobos you have in the pictures below? The older version with a chipset fan? Or the newer one with fanless, heatpipe cooling?
Posted by: shadysoldier
im a bit confused also, but i have the one with the heat pipe.
Posted by: goranpaa
If you have the one with the heatpipe cooling, you have no chipset fan at all. Check the picture abouve. I have tried to show how this heat pipe works.
The wave like forms I drawed from the chipset heatsink near the cpu socket. Is hot air rising from the sink lol.
Posted by: shadysoldier
ohhhhhh ic i thouht it went the other way.....like heat traved the oppisite way , well that makes much sense now, but makes me wondering about the clicking sound, what on my mobo could make that sound then?
Posted by: goranpaa
Normally, this kind of passive cooling works very well. At least you wont have the fuzz with noisy little chipset fans that can go bad any day.
But you could of coarce add a fan like the ones I suggsted before, to get the chipset heatsink temps down a bit further. Could be good when overclocking.
Have you measured the chipset temps? If not? Download Nextsensor, and look at the chipset temps for a while.
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System...extSensor.shtml
Posted by: goranpaa
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Originally Posted by shadysoldier
ohhhhhh ic i thouht it went the other way.....like heat traved the oppisite way , well that makes much sense now, but makes me wondering about the clicking sound, what on my mobo could make that sound then?
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Are you sure it is'nt the cpu fan then? Or maybe the cooler fan on the video card?
Do like this.
Make a funnel shaped hearing aid out of a couple of A4 paper sheets and some tape.
Open the case. And use this hearing aid to listen closely to all moving parts of the pc. Psu fan, HDD's, other fans.
I used this kind of hearing aid to find sourses of noice, when I tried to make my pc as silent as possible.
Posted by: shadysoldier
When i opened my mobo, like took it out of the box i heared it
Posted by: goranpaa
O.k.
Where did the noise come from?
Posted by: shadysoldier
When i get my hdd ill let you know exactly..It's not that the sound bothers me its that i cant find where and how its coming from....Im realy curious about this....
last time i was in my case it seamed to be somewhere around the pci express slots...When i push the pci express lever, the one you use to eject the GPU, it stops.
Posted by: goranpaa
Probably then, your PCI E slot lever can't hold the card hard enough and the video card is vibrating. Try using a rubber band to keep the lever locked more firmly.
Posted by: shadysoldier
Hmmm..ill check more vibrations but the mobo made the sound when it was just the board no other parts around it..ANd it was not pluged in
Posted by: shadysoldier
any program to check temps gpu memory chips. I have a good feeling I'm going to order that Zalman cooler 2marow 2....Mad artifacts and I get random lock-ups. I tried to play a good game of wc3(dota) so many artifacts as if it is getting worse and I got a random lock up which droped me and when it stopped lagging the colors were distorted.....Checked temps temps are good nothing over 50.. north bridge at 32C....I'm going to open my case and make sure every fan is still working....I get
Posted by: shadysoldier
What does a orange/yellow lit light on the mobo mean?
Posted by: goranpaa
They are diagnostic lights. You will have to check the mobo manual, for wich light means what?
It can differ from mobo to mobo. But as long as they are'nt red, I guess everthings o.k.
Posted by: goranpaa
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Originally Posted by shadysoldier
any program to check temps gpu memory chips. I have a good feeling I'm going to order that Zalman cooler 2marow 2....Mad artifacts and I get random lock-ups. I tried to play a good game of wc3(dota) so many artifacts as if it is getting worse and I got a random lock up which droped me and when it stopped lagging the colors were distorted.....Checked temps temps are good nothing over 50.. north bridge at 32C....I'm going to open my case and make sure every fan is still working....I get
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Unfortunatly, there are no software beeing able to measure video memory of any kind. This applies to most RAM too. With the exception of a couple of exspensive Corsair RAM that have temp sensors on them.
Yeah, seems like you really need that Zalman VF 900CU.
Posted by: shadysoldier
I have a random fan im going to add tot he side of my gpu..just because i wanna see if it does anything and i have a random fan in my hand.......the clicking sound is coming form this section and what is the thin i circled because mine has some righting on it?Is their anything moving in the north bridge? ....Yes i know i'm a noob
Posted by: shadysoldier
Still artifacts i'm ordering it tomorrow prey it works...Where should i add this extra fan.
Posted by: shadysoldier
Gonna get another case fan when i order my cooler.
Intake or outtake..i think outtake..What you think?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16835209011
Any better fans you know of or is this one good?
(For vent on door)
Posted by: goranpaa
Yeah, the Tricool fan could be a good choise for using as an exhaust fan, cuz you can regulate the speed. The only downside is that it's quite noisy on mid and high settings. But if you use some of that sticky note "gum" stuff I told you about before, in the corners of the fan, facing the case. And use elastic cords to mount the fan to the case instead of screws. (You can find such cords in a shop that stock sewing stuff). Mounting a fan this way will make it run a bit more quiet.
Posted by: goranpaa
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Originally Posted by shadysoldier
I have a random fan im going to add tot he side of my gpu..just because i wanna see if it does anything and i have a random fan in my hand.......the clicking sound is coming form this section and what is the thin i circled because mine has some righting on it?Is their anything moving in the north bridge? ....Yes i know i'm a noob
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It could be that the heat from the chip, makeing the pvc around it expand a bit, and that is what makes it click. But this is just a wild guess. Hard to say really what's making it click as it's not a moving part.
And no! You're not a noob. Digging into the various parts of the mobo, is very difficult.
Posted by: shadysoldier
Hm i was look at the north bridge..The form of the box looks like [ '' ] []-box ''-looks liek thie is a rod in their
Maybe it has a som what turbine design
My friend said it could be static?
Posted by: goranpaa
To be honest, I have'nt got a clue. Maybe you should ask at a Asus forum?
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx...SLanguage=en-us
Posted by: shadysoldier
Ill figure that out another time...Any idea why randomly my sound gets all choppy like once a week.
Posted by: shadysoldier
I just ordered..wow newegg has 5$ 2 day shipping wow
Posted by: goranpaa
That's nice!
Let's see how well this cooler works now? You should get rid of the artifacts anyway.
As for your random sound problem. It's extremely hard to tell why this appars now and then. Could eventually be, random electro magnetic disturbances between your sound card and any other card you got for ex.
It's not that uncommon, that such disturbances appears when using an internal sound card, like the on board or a PCI soundcard. Those distubances can appear as crackle and popping noises or like the one you describe. But such problems like yours, are very rare.
Posted by: shadysoldier
could it be the artifacts are from static????
my stuff came and i found a old hdd that was broke that now decides to work lol. sweet an extra 160 gigs. any ways this fan looks so small and crappy compared to the stock cooler lets see if it van do the job better.
/sob can't find my expensive thermal compund
Posted by: shadysoldier
Also will swapping the coolers void the warranty?
Posted by: goranpaa
As far as I can find out. EVGA allows aftermarket coolers. As long as the cooler wont damage the actual card in some way? Or by using a electrical conductive thermal paste like Arctic Silver 5 Or any other paste with silver in it. Probably they mean, that if this kind of paste squirts outside the gpu? It can lead to a shortout of the card.
But if you are careful. And mount the Zalman according to the manual. And use the included Zalman paste or Arctic Silver Ceramique (non electical conductive paste) I dont think you will have any problems.
Posted by: shadysoldier
man.......
I spent 35$ on the zalman cooler, install, antecedently slice my index finger on the grill, loose 2 screws to the case that mounts the gpu and look through the case for like 10 mins then the heat sink for the memory chip calls off and i cant find it , I kind 1 screw and the heat sink and don't care about the other screw, log on and pray no artifacts.....I go to OTS and......no difference...this sucks so bad
and the stock cooler looked better It was bigger and everything on it looked better and it had memory thermal paste on the heat sink, for each memory chip.
I like the new tri fan, works nice and kind of makes a soothing sound. On the other hand the vga cooler seems like a waste of money, About the same temps nothing really dropped.
The hdd i found, windows found it's but it claims it is corrupted(SMART says it is owned).
Still don't know why when I ran chkdsk there were less artifacts and hardly get any in wc3. M gpu seems naked.
Wonder if i can return this cooler even tho It is not broke and i used the thermal compound.
Overall I today was a real let down.
Posted by: shadysoldier
Im going to leave my windows open to night and test my pc in the morning when it should be below 30oF , to see if heat is causing this.....It seems that their are a few points on my screen that the artifacts originate, hard to explain like when i move the screen when it is black their is one spot that the dots come from. I can draw with them lol. In game i have different problems, not dots.
Posted by: shadysoldier
found this
http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=417375
peeps been having the same problem
Maybe I should call them and be like I've been haveing these problems for the past 1-2 years and it is pissen me off what do I do?maybe get a trade in like they rma my card and I pay like 100 for a 8800 gtx =D. lol i dream to much
Posted by: goranpaa
Oh man!
But did'nt you let the thermal tape for the sinks settle for at least a couple of hours, before mounting the cooler itself as I said before?
Of coarce your new Zalman vga cooler wont work as it should, if you have mounted it wilth less screws than it should have?! You wont get enough pressure on the cooler to get good contact with the gpu and paste!
Posted by: shadysoldier
Is it to late to let them settle, I let all but one settle for an hour when i looked for the screw lol.
Posted by: shadysoldier
oh ya the screw was to the case like to mount it in the pci slot when you take of the pci sheild. not to the cooler
Posted by: goranpaa
If you say the Zalman VGA cooler whas correctly mounted, and you still get artifacts? Then I would say the gpu is damaged in some way.
Posted by: shadysoldier
my pc is mad cold, like it makes me cold sitting next to it. I was look at the stock heat sink and saw that one of the thermal heat compound for one for one of the gpu memory chips was like broken like their is a huge game in the compound, so could it be that the chip was getting full heat. If that is true then that maybe the cause of the card being damaged right?
Posted by: goranpaa
If the thermal stuff whas cracked on the memory it could cause overheating.
But what bugs me is overheating memory should result in freezing or stuttering games but not artifacts.
Posted by: shadysoldier
i do get a lock up every 2 hours in games or 1 hour
Posted by: goranpaa
Well, clean out the cracked thermal stuff and apply new then. That may prevent the lockups at least.
Posted by: shadysoldier
I did I added the new fan and heat sinks(ZALMAN).Still get lock ups some times
Posted by: shadysoldier
also what makes the zalman cooler better
Posted by: goranpaa
Yeah.
Merry X mas Shady!
Posted by: shadysoldier
ya you too.
Hope you have a good holiday.
I'll try my best to enjoy my holiday, with my broken gpu lol
Posted by: shadysoldier
hmm idk if this cooler is worse or it is just getting worse. I have gotten a lot of lock ups lately. I will be playing WC3 which is not a hard core game or anything and the screen will freeze but i can still talk to my friends on skype, after about 2 mins the screen will freak out and go crazy. So i minimize and resize and and it is fixed.
Posted by: goranpaa
I feel sorry for you having those problems. But as I said before. The gpu whas probably damaged by heat, before you swapped the cooler.
Posted by: shadysoldier
ya i know.. my friend told me not so long ago he ha the same problems when he got a super clocked card that they have problems.They usually only last a tear or 2
what i wanna know is what causes the lock ups, ill learn to adapt with this artifacts.
Posted by: goranpaa
My best bet, is that you video memory overheats just as the gpu.
That is, if you have fragmented the hdd? And that the system is virus and spyware free?
Posted by: shadysoldier
hmm my new hdd should be coming so that will narrow the choices.
Posted by: goranpaa
Yepp! But double check for spyware and viruses anyway.
Run your own antivirus first. Then, thes online virus scanners.
http://www.eset.com/onlinescan/
http://housecall.trendmicro.com/
If you need some free anti spy's?
AVG antispy free.
ADAware SE free.
Spybot.
Posted by: shadysoldier
thanks imma do that in a bit
Posted by: shadysoldier
ok....ran scans...still same problem.......It seems that I was better off with the stock cooler.....Less lock ups...Like before i had like 1 lock up a day, now i will be playing wc3 screen will freeze for 30 secs then artifacts will swarm all over my screen like colors fashing. happens in just about every hour or 2.............
...also haven't received my new hdd.....do you know how the protection plan works if you used paypal?
immm get the sn off my gpu and register my gpu...don't know what im gonna say....or how
i knew i should of done it earlier..like after a month of owning it i had big boxes in cs when i shot but went away after a week..so i didnt pay much attention....year later i saw some artifacts in wow so i got a new case..they again went away...month ago they came back...so i got a new vga cooler...now wirh lockups
im going to see if i can work something out with them
Posted by: shadysoldier
i read a bunch of forums and it seems to be a common problem hopefully evga will understand
Posted by: goranpaa
EVGA, use to be pretty generous.
Happy new year Shady! Despite the video card problems.
Posted by: shadysoldier
ya you too bro!
Posted by: shadysoldier
hmm i was thinking I have had 3 gpus die on me this being the third, i was thinking to my self what have i not changed all these 2 times and i noticed it was hdd.....is it the slightest bit possible my hdd is demonic and does crazy stuff to make it look like my gpu is dieing......just throwing out a random idea.
Posted by: shadysoldier
lul gues what happend on new years eve 11 pm...i was playing mythos because i got into the beta then.......*click*...im like uh oh cord must of hit the fan.....bam screen froze....i was like my gpu being homo again...then...0x0000009C bsod......the worst of them all.........hardware failure.. i rebooted and it cycled with bsod this time it was a 0x000000ED etc..which is hdd volume error..so i ran chkdsk /r in repar prompt...fixed till i got more clcking sounds....then crash...its odd i hear the click and 5 secs after bsod...any way i can do a home fix to make it live for a few moew days..
very ironic
also i looked at the hd 2900pro and i was impressed.. 160$ for one of them. DANGGGGG
Posted by: goranpaa
It could also be an unstable psu.
Posted by: goranpaa
For 10 bucks more you get this. A much better card.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16814103049
Posted by: goranpaa
xxxxx
Posted by: shadysoldier
ya i heard of a [su might cause this affect and make you think it is your hdd......hmmmm the guy is sending my hdd he thiught he sent it but he hasnt so its commings soon....but anyways im going to take the hdd out and plug it in my external enclosure and let it run for a bit.....I was looking at those cards , but wont i need a new mobo because it is pcix 2.0 , those mobos go for like 200-300
ill do the enclosure thing after the program
Posted by: goranpaa
You could download Prime 95. Set it to the tuffest setting, And run it for 45 minutes. While watching the rails behaviour and the voltage thru a monitor program. Asus Probe for ex.
If the rails fluctate a lot during Prime 95? Or if the + 12V is under 11.88V or much over +12V? Then I think you should get a better psu.
Posted by: goranpaa
No, PCI E 2.0 is backwards compatible. I even got my 8800GT to work well on my old Epox AMD s.939 mobo in my other rig. This, without even updating the mobo bios.
As long as you dont have a mobo with a VIA chipset the HD 3850 / 3870 works well. The 8800GT and the new 8800GTS 512mb have the same problem with VIA mobo chipsets by the way.
Posted by: shadysoldier
ohhh thats cool thanks alot man.....
i heard of the psu not letting the hdd work right and crash..but can it make it click before it crashes?
some times my psu fan sounds really lound, louder then all my fabs. even my tri coolers
Posted by: goranpaa
Yeah, if the read / write arm is damaged or the HHD disc itself, it will click. I had a an old NEC Quantum fireball hdd, that just before it kicked the bucket. It clicked like mad.
Test the psu the way I suggested. This is the only way, if you dont have a Volt meter and know how to handle it?
As you say the psu fan goes full speed? It sounds to me that something's may not be right. Does this just happend when gaming / editing for ex? Or by random?
Posted by: shadysoldier
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You could download Prime 95. Set it to the tuffest setting, And run it for 45 minutes. While watching the rails behaviour and the voltage thru a monitor program. Asus Probe for ex.
If the rails fluctate a lot during Prime 95? Or if the + 12V is under 11.88V or much over +12V? Then I think you should get a better psu.
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so i need:
prime 95
asus probe
the fan kicks in randomly
Posted by: goranpaa
Do the test. Maybe that psu, is the cause to your video card problems too?
Yepp! Prime 95, set to the tuffest setting for 45 minutes. And Asus Probe for monitoring the voltage and the rails behaviour.
Posted by: goranpaa
I'll be back later today to check up on what did happend during the test?
Posted by: shadysoldier
kk. i wont be able to do it till 4pm though.
when you use a pci x 2 card in a pci x 1 slot does it lose any preformance?
Posted by: shadysoldier
doubt i can run it i turn it on and the clicking increased and so much.... lagggg!!!!!!!
my guess it has about 10 hours spinning till it is completely dead [if it dies it was a good hdd lasted abou 5-6 years..got it on my first black Friday]
hmmm also idk if it is just a weak cable or something but some times when im on the comp i tap my foot on the cable the connects the outlet to the psu and it shuts off.....now i know that if it gets knocked out of the socket that happens (lul)..but it doesnt even get unpluged...i can just hit the power button and it turns on.
Also i read somewhere that the hd 2900pro is a under clocked 2900 xt and that it can be over clocked to the same speed without any problems.
hahahahahahahaha i think im dieing read this. it was review on the 2900pro
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Tech Level: high
Ownership: less than 1 day
12/24/2007 2:23:05 PM
Rating + 1Rating + 1Rating + 1Rating + 1Rating + 1 this s#@$ dont work
Pros: its red
Cons: first of all i cant even find holes to put this graphic card in and second when i finaly cut a peice of the thing off and fit it in,it blew up and cought of fine
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http://files.extremeoverclocking.com/file.php?f=103
http://www.techspot.com/downloads/2...s-pc-probe.html
Posted by: shadysoldier
12v=11.712 }stable number
5v=5.08-5.107 }jumped around those numbers
3.3v3.23-3.42 }jumped around those numbers
Posted by: goranpaa
11.712V is low during load. Under 11.80 is'nt good at all.
The 5V fluctating.
The 3.3 fluctating.
My Corsair psu:
+12V = 11.90 stable
+5V = 5.21 stable
+3.3 = 3.23 stable
Posted by: shadysoldier
should i call the manufacture for a rma?
Posted by: goranpaa
Yeah, could be a good idea....If they just accept a software stress test as evidence that is? Or if you must have a Volt meter test to back up your claim too?
Posted by: shadysoldier
ya i reocrded it ill call them when i get home.
Posted by: shadysoldier
sent them and email...4 days no reply...guess ill have to call them
my gpu must be a DOA i treated it like a baby..the screen seems to refresh super slow some times like i open up something and the screen goes black it comes up move the mouse or do something eles screen goes black and come back...annoying becuase it goes black for liek 20 secs...
do fan filters decrease cmf?
gonna talk to evga in a sec let you know how it goes
Posted by: shadysoldier
should i metion i chaged the vga cooler and the tear in the thermal paste?
also i didn't notice this till later the sides of the coper seem a little eroded...how can the be when copper boils at 1koC...is it just some small glitch that was made when they removed it from the mold
Also most 100 posts let see if we can beat the wow thread lul
Posted by: goranpaa
Those guys seems to be slow going ansvering your mail. Better call them as you said.
Looking at those pictures, the paste for the memory chips seems cracked and dry. Seems like the copper plate shows traces of oxidation.
If you get fan filters with a mesh. They wont obstruct the airflow much. But you will have to check them once a week for dust clogging.
http://www.jab-tech.com/Fan-filters-c-170.html
Lol! Yeah, this tread, seems to evolve into a novel.
Posted by: shadysoldier
do you think it would be better preformance wise to raid 2 other hdd or get a single 150g raptor
Posted by: goranpaa
I dont like Raid....to big a risk too loose data if the Raid setup crash.
Get a Raptor instead. It's as fast as the Raid setup.
Posted by: shadysoldier
kk ill order the rapter once this dude refunds my money
should i tell them that i swaped the vga cooler and it still hasnt fixed the problem
Posted by: goranpaa
Have you mounted the stock cooler again? If you have? Wait and see if they say anything.
Posted by: shadysoldier
nope haven't mounted the stock cool
got off the phone with ultra and they said that the lowest it should be 11.5 and that my psu is fine..hmm
main thing i worried about is that i never knew i had to register my products for evga...that might be bad
Yo i just want to let you know i really appreciate you helping me.
Posted by: goranpaa
Thank you kindly. And I know you would have done everything to try to help me too, if I have had a problem I could'nt solve with my rig. We are a helpful bunch, here at OTS.
Well, if Ultra say that 11.5V is o.k. I guess they know what they are talking about.
Just hope you can get the video card problem fixed now!
Posted by: shadysoldier
ya, it got really really bad.
last sunday i was playing fine.
i come home after a long day of school turn on my pc and went to ots to check it then my screen flashes every time i do anything liek slow refreshing or something. this isnt the first time i saw it, last time it happended when i downloaded ntune from nvidia....hmmm so i installed new drivers ame problem. After that nv4_disp error. i would roll back the drivers but im going wait for my hdd to come and do a fresh install.
artifacts increased, more then 3 times the normal amount.
lwt you know how my new hdd works with the problem
Posted by: shadysoldier
this is kinda of imbarrising but this is my first sata drive....I connect one of the power cables like the sata one or the 4 pin right? does it make a diffrence?
Hmm i dont think i like the hdd cage on the antec nine hundred. you have to take out the gpu to get to the hdd.
Posted by: goranpaa
You need to connect both the 4 pin power molex and the SATA, signal cable.
So the video card blocks the hdd cage? That whas'nt a good design soloution at all! I belived, Antec where smarter than that.
Posted by: shadysoldier
so all 3 cables....4pin, the cable to mobo, and the other thin cable that connects to the psu?
or just the 4 pin and the cable to the mobo
i was thinking the second idea but making sure..dont wanna ruin it
Posted by: goranpaa
4 pin molex power from the psu to the hdd. Then the thin, flat (red?) SATA cable into one of the mobo SATA headers (consult the mobo manual). And the other end into the SATA connector on the hdd. That's it.
Posted by: shadysoldier
kk thx i did it coreectly. woot
Posted by: shadysoldier
ahhhh site is down alot....oh ya i was being stupid for got the fan was attached to the drive bay and can be pushed out......
i checked my email today and evga replied and told me to make sure it is my gou by takeing it to another pc and try it...woot
from that i can infer that they will rma it if it is the gpu..because they would tell me to waste my time for nothing..
hmm now i have to find someone to try it...no one around me has pci x....except freinds from school but they live far so ill see what they can do..if it comes down to it how much does it cost at the store for them to test the gpu...shouldnt be much not like it takes for then 30 mines
Posted by: shadysoldier
DLADGLAFKGFKSGFLG ahhhhhhhhhhhhh. cmon
ok i connect my hdd correctly , quadruple checking everything.......i hooked it up and i cant find it in the bios...when i boot past the bios page and it goes to the raid config page i hit ctrl-s and it shows my hdd as 139 gig??and it shows the model number and what not...so i pop in my windows disk and hit enter to continue installation...then it says hdd can not be found
The hdd is spinning because i can hear it
im thinking it is either the mobo or the board on the hdd...so im going to see if my dad's pc has sata and ill try it in his...
anything eles it could be?
Posted by: goranpaa
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ahhhh site is down alot....oh ya i was being stupid for got the fan was attached to the drive bay and can be pushed out......
i checked my email today and evga replied and told me to make sure it is my gou by takeing it to another pc and try it...woot
from that i can infer that they will rma it if it is the gpu..because they would tell me to waste my time for nothing..
hmm now i have to find someone to try it...no one around me has pci x....except freinds from school but they live far so ill see what they can do..if it comes down to it how much does it cost at the store for them to test the gpu...shouldnt be much not like it takes for then 30 mines
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You could always take the card to the local pc service station for a test. It normally does'nt cost much.
Posted by: goranpaa
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Originally Posted by shadysoldier
DLADGLAFKGFKSGFLG ahhhhhhhhhhhhh. cmon
ok i connect my hdd correctly , quadruple checking everything.......i hooked it up and i cant find it in the bios...when i boot past the bios page and it goes to the raid config page i hit ctrl-s and it shows my hdd as 139 gig??and it shows the model number and what not...so i pop in my windows disk and hit enter to continue installation...then it says hdd can not be found
The hdd is spinning because i can hear it
im thinking it is either the mobo or the board on the hdd...so im going to see if my dad's pc has sata and ill try it in his...
anything eles it could be?
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Do you still have the old hdd in there? And windows still on it? Then go into the control panel - Admin tools - Computer handeling - Disk handeling. Then format the new hdd in NTFS there.
Then, shut down, unplug the old hdd and run the Windows cd.
Or just unplug the old drive , and try installing Windows on the new one.
Make sure, you have the cd / dvd drive as "boot order no.1" in bios first.
Posted by: shadysoldier
odd it only worked when i put it in sata 4..but it works and its FAST!!!! boot time halfed.
edit.
now the problem is when i install the new drivers for my gpu, it goes exorcist on me.....so i was wondering where i can get an old and good version of the drivers........finally the weekend.. im going to try my best to fix everything over the next 3 days...
Posted by: goranpaa
Do you mean an older chipset driver for the NF 4 chipset?
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1234
Cuz I can't find any old drivers for your Raptor.
But maybe flashing an updated mobo bios will fix the problem?
Just remember to reset the present bios, before you flash the new bios.
Posted by: shadysoldier
opps sry for the confusion... i switched subjects with out tell you. the part about the drivers is for my gpu
Posted by: goranpaa
Have you runned a driver cleaner after uninstalling the present driver? You may still have old driver stuff in the registry causing problems.
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=745
This is a good good, slightly older driver for xp:
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1752
Vista 32:
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1748
Posted by: shadysoldier
thx so much for the info on the registry cleaner thing in the past posts, it taught me somethign new.
ya, ran it
ill try the new drivers 2marow
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Posted by: goranpaa
You're welcome man.
Posted by: shadysoldier
Anyways i did try the drivers with a lot more..still same problem and even tho it is off it seems to be getting worse...
So i have created an educated hypothesis which states if the mobo is still given power(when is it is off) something is being damaged. But what?
I came here to post some odd images.....Also, im waiting to build my dads pc to test my gpu because no company around me checks gpus ex micro center, best buy, geek squad, fire dog, circuit city.
last time i checked primary isn't spelled pr)mary and lines don't have a's in them....in all my life i never seen this
http://i31.tinypic.com/2uq15vp.jpg
http://i30.tinypic.com/x29k5s.jpg
Posted by: goranpaa
I think your video card is a gonner really.
In the Nvidia forum a couple of days ago there whas a guy with a 7900GTO, that have started to show artifacts. His cards temps whas pretty high but not extreme. 48C idle and 80 C load.
Swapped his cooler too, as ATI Tools showed artifacts when testing the card. But just as with your card. The damage probably already whas done. The new cooler did'nt help.
But wonder why your bios displays the Swedish letter "ä" ?
Posted by: shadysoldier
Hmmm i posted something on anandtech and alot of people said they seen it before and that my GPU is gonna die soon and I should take advantage that it is EVGA with the RMA policy. Can't wait till tuesday to test it on my dads rig.
hes is a pick of some dude who had a similar problem
http://209.59.147.135/2a.jpg
Posted by: goranpaa
Yeah, I belive the guys at Anandtech are right. That card is probably a gonner unfortunatly.
Posted by: shadysoldier
ok
we where correct, the mobo is fine
1 thing i noticed is it is BENT?
seems the zalman cooler bent it, and i didn't even screw it on tight. I did what the directions said,
rotationaly screw each one, to secure them DO NTO OVER TIGHTEN.. odd
Posted by: goranpaa
Could also be that you have tighten the stand off peg screws for the mobo hard? + That the Zalman is pretty high and top heavy.
Posted by: goranpaa
Btw, if you plan on replacing that faulty 7900 card soon? This could be a reasonably cheap alternative:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16814150276
Posted by: shadysoldier
hmmmm ill wait a bit to replace it. the told me they will rma it now should i put the old cooler back on? and if so what thermal grease should i use?
Posted by: goranpaa
Put the stock cooler back on. Arctic Silver, Ceramique is a good paste.
Posted by: shadysoldier
i hope it still fits ill do it on thursday or friday...alot of make up work at school
and what about the gpu mem chip's thermal grease they should be dry by now.
oh ya i found a GREAT deal on newegg and couldn't resist..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16814143104
temporary/ diagnostic card =)
cant go wrong with 30$ for a 8500
Posted by: goranpaa
That's a very nice price tag for a 8500GT.
And it's always a good idea to have a diagnostic / backup video card.
I have an old Radeon X700 for such a card lieing around in a drawer.
Posted by: shadysoldier
hmm for sound drivers do i have to clean my old ones? if so what are they called in driver cleaner? or do they just update when u download the newest one?
Posted by: goranpaa
You could use a driver cleaner to clean out old sound card driver stuff if you wanna be careful about it, before installing a driver update.
Posted by: shadysoldier
Ok
i downloaded nvmixer....and it says it can not start because it doesn't detect nforce hardware..and to make sure it is not disabled in ctrl panel
Posted by: goranpaa
Try Driver cleaner professional instead.
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=745
Posted by: shadysoldier
what are the names of the things i will clean?
and how do i get nvmixer to work again?it is used to work before i got my new hdd?
Do window themes slow down ue pc?
Posted by: goranpaa
If you have creative soundcard? Then add all Creative stuff to the cleaning filter.
Same goes for Realtek.
Maybe try reinstall it.
Yepp, Windows themes eats resources.
Posted by: shadysoldier
WOAH....site been down for a long time.
i sent my 7900gtx super clocked to evga and they gave me a 8800 gts 640 =D
i ran gpu-z and it says the mem clock is only 800 mhz??
Posted by: goranpaa
Very, very nice! Congrats!!! That's EVGA for you!
Yes, many programs like GPU Z, interprets the video memory just as GDDR RAM and not as GDDR 2 or GDDR3 RAM. So it seems to be only half the speed. But it is'nt in reality.
Also, be aware of, that the latest drivers may make the video card fan only at 25% by defaults.
Download Riva Tuner and check this out. You can regulate the fan speed up / down wards via Riva Tuner. I have my vga fan set to 47% fixed speed. Gives me the best balance between noise and cooling performance. But then I have a very quiet PC too.
And now you have a card that will keep you going for quite some time!
Posted by: shadysoldier
im thinking about buy that other pc from tigerdirct, but I'm also thinking about calling dell and asking for a laptop; I will tell them i want a 2.2 ghz processor 4 mb cache, no ram , no os, a 80 gig hdd, a nvidia 8700m or a 8600m. i will buy the ram my self and install it my self, same with os. I wonder how much i can get it for
Posted by: goranpaa
TigerDirect is practically giving you that pc for peanuts. Just the Q6700 cpu costs nearly as much as the whole rig (575$)!!!
I wonder what's in it for them?
I do'nt know how much such a Dell lappy will cost? But use Dells configurator at their home, to find out.
But anyways, Dell's lappy's are nice.
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