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Posted by: EOT(US)
Admin's Note: Split thread from PC Gaming
Posted by: Tarkus
roflmao, Laggy I just noticed the signature at the bottom of your posts. 
Tarkus
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by Tarkus
roflmao, Laggy I just noticed the signature at the bottom of your posts.
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Hehe, it's an anti-quitter campaign 
Posted by: Ion Silverbolt
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Originally posted by Canis Lupus
Hehe, it's an anti-quitter campaign
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Not really. They can't smoke after they're dead..hehe
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by Ion Silverbolt
Not really. They can't smoke after they're dead..hehe
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Everyone has to die sometime ... it's just a question of how and how soon
Posted by: Null Actor
See, I'd rather go out a more entertaining way than coughing to death on a hospital bed.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by Nova Z
See, I'd rather go out a more entertaining way than coughing to death on a hospital bed.
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Hehe, what's an entertaining way to die? During a honeymoon? Choking on an ice cream?
Posted by: EOT(US)
[COLOR=sky blue]"Any wimp can quit smoking. It takes a real man to deal with lung cancer."[/COLOR] hmmmmn .... well I ain't no wimp and I ain't no man, but quitting smoking has been one of the hardest things I have EVER done! But I will pass on the "lung cancer' ... thank you very much  but not being able to breathe will make a "wimp" outta the biggest of you guys! Ask me ..... I will tell ya!
Posted by: Spider
I quit smoking last year
Posted by: Heathen
I smoke.... my wife has just quit using ZYBAN.
While I refuse to use this drug and become addicted to something else while trying to give up nicotene.... I really wanna quit.
So...... I guess I'm a quitter too
Any sugestions on the best ways to quit?
Just wondering...
Posted by: EOT(US)
shaggy,
I am not an expert on this "quit smoking" thing in any way, shape or form ..... but I will tell you how I quit, ok?
After trying everything mentioned above, the "patches", the "zyban", the gum, etc. etc. etc. there was nothing that made me quit smoking as much as my last hospital stay in January of this year ... when I came home with Oxygen for 16 hours a day ..... until .... who knows when?
It did help being in the ICU unit of the hospital for 4 days ..... smoke free ..... nobody smokes in there .... wonder why! But I would NOT recommend this "quit smoking plan" .... to anyone because it is VERY expensive, and it scares the shit outta ya - in the process
Posted by: Heathen
ELLEN - Yikes .... what can I say?
I'm gonna quit. I know its not going to be easy... but my wife has done it. I don't mean that in a nasty way... I mean that from 5pm till sleep.... I don't smoke.
I know I can do this .... I'll keep ya posted.
Posted by: EOT(US)
Shaggy!
Posted by: Canis Lupus
I'll probably quit smoking once I finish my car payments
*lights up another stick*
Posted by: Spider
Heh, I was just sitting there with only a few cigarettes left in my pack, and I'd been talking about quitting for a year or so, I was feeling particularily lazy so instead of going to the store to get more I decided that with the end of that pack I was done smoking. lol. After the second day it was remarkably easy. The hardest thing was I kept reaching for my cigarettes and such, I was so used to having a cigarette in my hand or mouth if I was actually smoking or not. Anywho, my ease of quitting was unorthodox, so I'm not the best person to ask I guess, heh!
Posted by: SKYHN
While Jim Varney, AKA Ernest, was on his deathbed due to lung cancer, someone asked him what he wanted the world to hear as his last words, and he said: "Tell all the kids: Dont Smoke." Then he died.
Posted by: Heathen
I h8 smoking. I h8 it. I smell... i cough up green and black crap every morning.... its freaking expensive.
If I don't quit by the end of this week.... I'll....
..... what should I do if I don't quit?
On second thoughts... I've been on OTS for a little while... thats NOT the sort of question you ask?
Posted by: SKYHN
How about if you dont quit by the end of the week, you double the ram in everybody's system that posts on OTS?
Posted by: Asmodai
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Originally posted by Canis Lupus
Hehe, what's an entertaining way to die? During a honeymoon? Choking on an ice cream?
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Here's an interesting way to die...
http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2002.../mug/index.html
Posted by: Heathen
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How about if you dont quit by the end of the week, you double the ram in everybody's system that posts on OTS?
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Something I said????
Posted by: Null Actor
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Originally posted by Canis Lupus
Hehe, what's an entertaining way to die? During a honeymoon? Choking on an ice cream?
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I was thinking explosives in a very crowded, very public location, preferably with children.
But whatever.
Posted by: Freak
The Palestinians could use you..... i hear they are lacking volunteers from that department
Posted by: Null Actor
Naa, I wouldn't do it for any political reason. That'd be too shallow. Not to mention lacking in fun.
I'd do it for the pure chaos of the situation it would create.
I was thinking of a petting zoo...
Posted by: Tweaker
It's been almost 4 years now for me, had to quit after my hand was crushed in a press.  ( circulation problems). Very bad day that was, July 14 1998. Still sometimes crave em though. Good luck to you Laggy, I hope you quit. You'll feel much better afterwards I guarantee it.
Posted by: Tecil
I've been non-smoking for 2 years now.
I started when I was 15. What finally did it for me was the Bronchitis, that turned into pneumonia. I didn't smoke for over a month. Then after that it was pretty easy to quit cold turkey. Haven't smoked since.
Posted by: redwench
bad, bad stinky wolf!
*tosses laggy into the shower*
Posted by: Swilo
Laggy, your signature sounds like the kind of crap a cigarette company would spew.
It sickens me.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by Swilo
Laggy, your signature sounds like the kind of crap a cigarette company would spew.
It sickens me.
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Glad to be of service If you take it that seriously, you deserve to be sickened
Posted by: Tecil
No one should infringe on your right to cough up black phlem.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
Amen
Those who base tobacco-related deaths to statistics are pretty hilarious ... more people die from car-related accidents than they do from cigarette smoking ... maybe they should put up another paranoia ad for that too
"Surgeon General's Warning: Being in a car is hazardous to your health and your life. The statistics say so. Don't drive, and stay away from cars."
Posted by: Chako
Best and only way to quite is to do it cold turkey. Cutting down does nothing, nor does using the patch etc...because your body will still crave the nicotine. Quite smoking cold turkey....suffer the withdrawal symptoms...afterwards...once you have it beat, the cigarette smoke will make you sick...further ensuring that you will never go back again. This is the hardest but best way. All other ways mean your thinking of quitting, but your not sure and probably will go back to smoking again when it suits you…that is if you can quite in the first place.
Side effect…you will gain weight because food tastes 100% better. So exercise!
Posted by: Null Actor
See, I could care less if people smoke.
However, I can't stand people who smoke around me. Cigarette smoke is ****ing disgusting.
It's a matter of being considerate. I'll let you smoke as much as you want, just don't force me to put up with your bad habit.
Posted by: Tecil
Yeah since I've quit I can't stand the smell now.
I hate going out to the bars. I get home and stink like ass.
Well ass and cigarette smoke...
Posted by: Swilo
Nova, that's exactly how I feel. Don't smoke near me, if I wanted your crap in my lungs I'd ask you for it.
I've spit at people, slammed doors in faces, spewed profanity, you name it because they blew their shit in my face.
One stupid kid was smoking between 2 doors in a building because it was too cold outside, so I told him to get out. He said no. Then I spit on his face. He got angry and tried to attack me. Then I threw him out of the building on his face into the ice and snow and laughed as I walked to class.
Posted by: Gunslinger
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Originally posted by Swilo
Nova, that's exactly how I feel. Don't smoke near me, if I wanted your crap in my lungs I'd ask you for it.
I've spit at people, slammed doors in faces, spewed profanity, you name it because they blew their shit in my face.
One stupid kid was smoking between 2 doors in a building because it was too cold outside, so I told him to get out. He said no. Then I spit on his face. He got angry and tried to attack me. Then I threw him out of the building on his face into the ice and snow and laughed as I walked to class.
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Preach it!
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Those who base tobacco-related deaths to statistics are pretty hilarious ... more people die from car-related accidents than they do from cigarette smoking ... maybe they should put up another paranoia ad for that too
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And, driving is a practical facet of our everyday lives. It is an efficient (as compared to the alternatives, walking, bicycles, etc) mode of transportation that translates into further efficiency in multiple aspects of our lives.
Driving is practical, despite the danger that exists. Give me a practical use for cigarettes, and I'll accept your quip as something just above the level of utter garbage.
If that was some effort of sarcasm, then I apologiize.
Posted by: Tweaker
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Posted by: Muggs
Practical use for smoking? Way to think your getting rid of stress, something to do while leeching exp on D2, something to do while macroing on UO, something to do after sex till gf falls asleep so you can run to computer, a way to make yourself smell bad so annoying people will leave you the **** alone...
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Give me a practical use for cigarettes, and I'll accept your quip as something just above the level of utter garbage.
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Give me a practical use for soda, candies, ice cream, jewelry, a chocolate bar, pez, or maybe even a lollipop and I'll ignore the fact that you're trying to talk about something you know nothing about
Posted by: Chako
I don't mind people smoking in their homes, but I cannot stand the smell of smokers. They STINK. No ifs ands or buts about it.
I don't preach about smoking is bad for you to people simply because if they want to slowly kill themselves that is fine.
I only get pissed off when I see our health system being used for such wastes of space dying from lung cancer, etc...due to smoking. Then it becomes an issue to me.
So to all you smokers...die quick so that my taxes don't have to support you in your twilight years in the hospital ward?
What is that you say? You pay taxes also? Huh...you say that you pay your way for a hospital room because most of a pkg of smokes are taxes to begin with? Well then...I guess that is ok...smoke on!
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by Chako
So to all you smokers...die quick so that my taxes don't have to support you in your twilight years in the hospital ward?
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Most smokers die young ... it's non smokers who live long enough to suck up the taxes you're talking about
I enjoy reading these posts ... please post some more
Posted by: EOT(US)
 oooooo
This thread is getting NASTY ! .... and I don't think that all of the "nasty" people are the "smokers"
Lighten up peoples, (and that did NOT say "light up") But CONGRATS to us that have quit, to those that NEVER started, and to those that are "TRYING" to QUIT!
and Chako ......
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Originally posted by Chako
So to all you smokers...die quick so that my taxes don't have to support you in your twilight years in the hospital ward?
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SHAME ON YOU! So ...... to all of you PURTITANS out there .... what is YOUR NASTY HABIT????
Posted by: EOT(US)
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Originally posted by Nova Z
I was thinking explosives in a very crowded, very public location, preferably with children.
But whatever.
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I can't believe you even typed out ^ those words! Oh, nevermind! Yes I can !
*looking for appropiate "smilies" to put here and can't find one!* 
Posted by: Spider
They eat boogers.
Posted by: Gunslinger
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Originally posted by Canis Lupus
Give me a practical use for soda, candies, ice cream, jewelry, a chocolate bar, pez, or maybe even a lollipop and I'll ignore the fact that you're trying to talk about something you know nothing about
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Couldn't have reinforced my own point better if I tried.
Wasn't that post discussing practicality in terms of a warning being slapped on something? Yes, indeed it was.
There's no reason to slap a warning on anything you listed above. Cigarettes and cars, however, have reasons to. Cigarettes contain known carcinogens. Cars, in the hands of the wrong person, can be just as fatal - and they even pollute the environment, with some of the same residual gasses that cigarettes emit.
But, cars are practical, and cigarettes are not (you've even implied the latter yourself). Everyone knows cigarettes contribute to a rather painful death - and an unhealthy life. Everyone knows that cars have the potential to do the same. Why apply paranoia ads to a car, then? Cars are practical.
To somewhat support the flip side, why even put them on cigarettes? If you want to depart the mortal coil, who is anyone to tell you that you can't?
And how can you presume with any validity that I know nothing about smoking?
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Practical use for smoking? Way to think your getting rid of stress, something to do while leeching exp on D2, something to do while macroing on UO, something to do after sex till gf falls asleep so you can run to computer, a way to make yourself smell bad so annoying people will leave you the **** alone...
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Riiiiiiiight.
Posted by: Gunslinger
Nasintess does seem to run around lately. I guess we all are a bit touchy.
So it is in life.
And yes, congrats to those who have kicked and good luck to those who are trying.
As for my nasty habit, I tend to drink quite a bit too much whenever I have a bad day. Really got stop doing that.
Posted by: redwench
i have no problem if someone wishes to kill themselves via smoking, or any other method. just dont do it around me, or in places i have to go. you want to smoke in your residence or private car, feel free.
Posted by: Null Actor
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Originally posted by ELLENOFTROY
I can't believe you even typed out ^ those words! Oh, nevermind! Yes I can !
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I can't believe you didn't see the (bad) humor. Oh, nevermind! Yes I can !
Posted by: EOT(US)
Bad humor and Bad Taste are two different things!
Posted by: Null Actor
If you'd look at the post again, and think about it a little more deeply, you'd see that it DID have a point other than humor in bad taste.
Second hand smoke has been attributed to many lung conditions in children. Even death.
The point was that there isn't much difference in the end. Either way, you are killing people other than yourself.
Of course, I guess I was obviously too obtuse for some people.
Posted by: Ion Silverbolt
Really they should just ban tobacco. Then the freed up farmland can be used to useful crops and/or feed people who are still starving in the world.
I think the government is pushing for that anyway. They're taxing it so much now that most people don't want to start to begin with.
Posted by: SKYHN
Im surprised someone hasnt tried what Homer Simpson did and use some plutonium with some Tobaco and Tomato seeds and make some Tomaco.
Posted by: Canis Lupus
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
There's no reason to slap a warning on anything you listed above.
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Uhm, right ...
As someone once mentioned, most sodas, specifically cola, has aspartame, which is a neurotoxin. Candies and other sweets have excessive amounts of sugar and other artificial ingredients, some of which can cause excessive weight gains and poor health, as well as a plethora of dental problems.
Jewelry? I dunno why I put that there - maybe because too much of it is bad for your wallet Maybe I shoulda mentioned coffee, which has caffeine (oh ya, it's bad for ya too).
Even everyday foods, particularly poultry, carry strains of bacteria that causes salmonella food poisoning. Of course, you can always "wash them well" and "hope" you get clean meat...
So what am I implying here? Moderation. Too much of anything will kill ya. Chain smoking 2-3 packs a day will kill ya, obviously. The same way guzzling 5-6 bottles of cola everyday can be dangerous to your health. Hell, even too much eggs is gonna be bad for ya coz of the cholesterol levels.
Biased Paranoia Dissemination? Is there such a statement? There probably should be. I mean, would the government be willing to allow electric cars to dominate our landscape if it means not getting a big chunk out of the petroleum levies? They ARE concerned about our health, right? Just ask the Surgeon General...
To make things clear, I have never, and will not, promote chain smoking ... my signature is a joke, for you humorless individuals And neither have I blown smoke in anyone's face ... that's just rude, nicotine or not. Not all smokers are inconsiderate dead men walking
For non-smokers, it's easier to lay back and preach on. Being holier than thou is all too easy to most of them, especially when they have a majority behind em. Pointing fingers and generalizing has never been so fun.
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And how can you presume with any validity that I know nothing about smoking?
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Well, do you?
p.s. Just for the record, anyone who has met me in person knows that I always walk away from a crowd before I light a cigarette. Sometimes I go outside after a big meal to light up my mandatory stick. Often a couple people join me outside.
I have no problems with people who preach all kinds of things to stop people from smoking (I get a lot of those on TV anyway). It's the propaganda that implies that most smokers are inconsiderate bastards that I find particularly offensive...
And anyone who spits in my face won't go home with working joints either, hehe
Posted by: Null Actor
Well, my arguments have never been about doing anything to yourself.
Like I've said, I could care less if someone wants to kill themselves. That's their choice.
However, when I drink caffeine, I'm not hurting anyone. If I eat a bag of sugar, I'm not hurting anyone. I'm not even annoying anyone.
However, most smokers are annoying and hurting people, by the mere fact of their actions.
Though I'll attest to the fact that laggy is pretty damn considerate. Didn't even know he smoked for the longest time.
Posted by: Ion Silverbolt
I don't even smoke and find those "The Truth" ads on TV annoying as hell. And then there's Smoke High School. The only thing high about it is the guy creating these rediculous campaigns that don't work and irritate the majority of the populous.
Posted by: Erekose
Hell I smoked a pack a day for over two years. I just one day stopped buying them, worked for me, won't work for everyone. About the rest of the arguments (aye I'm a bit late, I know) You want to smoke, fine, hell I sometimes carry a pack of cigs around incase someone forgets theirs. And about congress raising taxes on cigarrettes because they care about our health... every notice most of them smoke cigars. I've never seen a polotician smoking a cigarette... but what do I know. But it is true that once you quit smoke makes you sick. I can smell someone from 30ft (measured one time, well paced it off but close enough) after theyve had a ***. I even smoked one yesterday (rather stressful day) and I was nearly ill.
-- ah, the asterisks, a cigarette
Posted by: Swilo
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As someone once mentioned, most sodas, specifically cola, has aspartame, which is a neurotoxin.
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Aspartame is only a neurotoxin to those who can't digest one of it's component chemicals, the amino acid phenylalanine. In order to have neurotoxic effects in a non-PKU person they would have to ingest it in it's pure form, the amount of soda you could drink in a day wouldn't contain enough of it.
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Candies and other sweets have excessive amounts of sugar and other artificial ingredients, some of which can cause excessive weight gains and poor health, as well as a plethora of dental problems.
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Just about any food these days can do that, it all depends how much you eat.
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Maybe I shoulda mentioned coffee, which has caffeine (oh ya, it's bad for ya too).
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Indeed...
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Even everyday foods, particularly poultry, carry strains of bacteria that causes salmonella food poisoning. Of course, you can always "wash them well" and "hope" you get clean meat...
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Cook the meat properly and it won't bother you in the least. Also, wash your hands and any dishes with antibacterial soap to kill whatever may be left from the juices.
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So what am I implying here? Moderation. Too much of anything will kill ya.
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Indeed...
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Just for the record, anyone who has met me in person knows that I always walk away from a crowd before I light a cigarette. Sometimes I go outside after a big meal to light up my mandatory stick. Often a couple people join me outside.
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Too bad the majority of smokers usually aren't that considerate. At least the college morons who live here aren't.
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And anyone who spits in my face won't go home with working joints either
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He was actually inside the major doorway (kind of like a foyer thing with two sets of doors) to the biggest lecture hall on campus. He deserved what he got and I haven't even seen him on campus since.
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However, when I drink caffeine, I'm not hurting anyone. If I eat a bag of sugar, I'm not hurting anyone. I'm not even annoying anyone.
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I've seen some big eaters who are so sloppy it's annoying...
[edit]Forgot to mention that aspartame is only in diet sodas, unless something has changed.[/edit]
Posted by: Gunslinger
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Nova Z
Second hand smoke has been attributed to many lung conditions in children.
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Indeed! I can personally attest to that.
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Really they should just ban tobacco. Then the freed up farmland can be used to useful crops and/or feed people who are still starving in the world.
I think the government is pushing for that anyway. They're taxing it so much now that most people don't want to start to begin with.
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I don't know if I entirely agree with the taxation idea. Agreeing it would be in direct contradiction with my belief that people can do what they want to and with themselves. Sure, taxing tobacco is masked as a fiscal advantage, but it's a wolf in sheep's clothing. It's true design is to stop people from smoking on the idea that they can no longer afford it. That would be preventing someone from doing what they want to themselves.
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I can blame a large portion of my more severe respiratory illnesses on smoking. Yes, I know plenty. I had to - there was a time in my life when a whiff of cigarette smoke could contribute to a very serious problem - one of those times, I actually felt like I was going to die. Granted, my problems have been somewhat treated, but I still avoid the stuff like the plague.
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Biased Paranoia Dissemination? Is there such a statement? There probably should be. I mean, would the government be willing to allow electric cars to dominate our landscape if it means not getting a big chunk out of the petroleum levies? They ARE concerned about our health, right? Just ask the Surgeon General...
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I like that statement. Reminds me of the study of Dollar Diplomacy in early 20th century America - with an internal iteration as opposed to an imperial one. We allow the desire for economic advantage to compromise our political (or otherwise) principles.
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For non-smokers, it's easier to lay back and preach on. Being holier than thou is all too easy to most of them, especially when they have a majority behind em. Pointing fingers and generalizing has never been so fun.
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I'll agree there too. From the outside looking in on a situation, it's always easy to be Mr. Holier-than-thou and pass judgement in a second. While I'm not a smoker myself, I do have a somewhat unique perspective on that, that's not really the outside, and not really the inside. I'll speak against smoking as if I'm one of those holier-than-thou anti-smoking people, merely because of what it has contributed to in my life (as a result of a lot of my immediate family, mind you).
I'm not directing offense at anyone, I'm just really quick on the trigger with smoking issues.
Posted by: TotalRecall
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Really they should just ban tobacco. Then the freed up farmland can be used to useful crops and/or feed people who are still starving in the world.
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Help our free country out even more. Mm.. I don't understand how people live to a point where they can allow such a party to control their every move. No, cigarettes aren't banned, but the tax on them is just as bad, if not worse. This is the government's ball and chain for the addicted.
Only events which can harm another should be illegal. Therefor, smoking in public situations where others do no agree should be illegal.
Posted by: Null Actor
Well, on that note, why not make drugs in general legal?
When doing so you can control multiple things.
1) You can limit crime caused by drug dealing. If anyone can get their fix safely from a store, there will be less crime caused specifically by drug dealing.
2) You can limit deaths caused by drugs, by controlling quality through government agencies, and making sure there are proper dosage instructions and limitations.
3) The government can tax it, and make a fair bit of cash off of it. Especially if they are the only 'dealer'.
4) You can make it more socially acceptable to admit you have a problem, and get help. More often than not druggies will end up in jail, whereas drunks can get help whenever.
Posted by: EOT(US)
Posted by: redwench
yes, quite nova. if one goes with tr's definition of what should be illegal, then all drugs should be legal. while i do have a preference, at the very least the government should be consistent. either alcohol and tobacco are banned, or all drugs should be legal. i hate inconsistency.
Posted by: Shalome
LEGISLATE EVERYTHING!
Posted by: Chako
OMG...my last posting was tongue in cheek. Didn't anyone notice the " " at the end of that posting? Can't believe anyone took me seriously about that hehe..oh well.
EDIT: Now that I have read everything up to this posting I have a few comments.
I don't mind smokers exactly. I don't like it when they smoke in the same room as I am, but other then that, they have a right to smoke if it isn't bothering anyone else. I have found that the local bans in bars of smoking is ridiculous, as is the stupid regulations the government forced retailers to comply with in order to sell tobacco products. Many local retailers had to build a separate little kiosk apart from the main store area to sell them. Nor do the stupid graphics on the packages work, other then wasting money. Sales of cigarette package slip covers rose tremendously. Likewise, many restaurants were forced to put up stupid glass partitions to separate the smokers from the non smokers. Come on! Local retailers are forced to sink in money for little gain, if any. Does this seem fair to the small business trying to make a living?
In Canada, a package of cigarettes is taxed way higher then any American would even dare to think...done to try and stop smokers from buying...yeah right. It has turned into a nice revenue scheme by the Govt. I seriously doubt they would want to harm that income. Nor has their wasting money on anti smoking campaigns has proven effective. It is almost like a stupid cycle. Get money from smokers...sink it into an ineffective ad campaign, sell more smokes....sink money into more anti smoking ads etc. Meanwhile, money finds itself into the right pockets for patronage and nepotistic activities. Almost like a ridiculous industry has grown from this cycle. Weird.
I say stop advertising and sinking billions into all of this because if someone wants to smoke...let them. Use the money saved into something more worthwhile such as road maintenance, natural resources, health care, etc...
It is a strange strange world we live in.
Note: Did you know that the Canadian Government hands out free cigarettes to under aged Youths in correction facilities in Canada? Got to love the absurdity of this.
Posted by: Null Actor
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OMG...my last posting was tongue in cheek. Didn't anyone notice the " " at the end of that posting? Can't believe anyone took me seriously about that hehe..oh well.
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Note: Did you know that the Canadian Government hands out free cigarettes to under aged Youths in correction facilities in Canada? Got to love the absurdity of this.
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Don't worry. Certain people seem to be significantly lacking in the humor department. I suggest new ETML tags <humor> <sarcasm> <tongueincheek> and <thisisa****ingjokegetit?>
BTW, I didn't know that the government did that. Personally, I think cigarettes shouldn't be allowed in any form of jail. Jail is about having things taken away from you, not being a cushy place to live.
Posted by: Gunslinger
That piques my curiosity.
Why does the Canadian government do this?
Posted by: Null Actor
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
That piques my curiosity.
Why does the Canadian government do this?
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I blame the PCs.
Posted by: Ion Silverbolt
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I have found that the local bans in bars of smoking is ridiculous.
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Smoke-free bars would rule! I would goto clubs a lot if they had clean environments. The way it is now, it only takes 5 seconds in a club or bar to smell like a pile of burning leaves. And it gets in your hair and everything else.
I still say banning tobacco is a good idea. No one will miss it after it's gone. Even the addicts after the craving is over will probably be glad it's gone.
Posted by: Shalome
Ban everything, or ban nothing.
Grey areas are unacceptable.
Things that are banned just create black markets and crime; I believe America's proven that first with Prohibition and second with the War on Drugs.
And anyway, it's all a moot point since American government has been financed by Big Tobacco since the colonial days. Tobacco will never be federally banned. You wanna have a city like Denver or LA where you can't smoke in bars? Fine, lobby your local city council.
And I GUARANTEE you there are more toxins (not to mention artifical hormones and antibiotic residue) in your everyday food and water than you will EVER IN YOUR LIFE receive from secondhand smoke. But that's another rant.
Posted by: redwench
define toxins plz, kthx
90% of lung cancers are DIRECTLY attributable to cigarette smoke. toss in the various other breathing disorders, and thats a lot of sick people. i get a whiff of food or water, it doesnt make me run outside and cough for 3 minutes, which happened to me yesterday at the laundromat. it aint just about the nasty chemicals in secondhand smoke, although those are nasty enough. the particulate matter is nasty too. if i went up to you and started blowing asbestos fibers at you from a bellows, youd freak and start cussing me out, if not hitting me. but you dont think twice about smoking around me, although it ranks the same carcinogenically and smells a hell of a lot worse.
i guarantee that my everyday food and water is a lot better for my health than secondhand cigarette smoke.
i dont know why smokers seem to feel the need to dismiss the effects of secondhand smoke. that is one nasty cocktail that no one, including themselves, would otherwise willingly inhale.
Posted by: Muggs
How come people dont they dont have to be around smokers? They always ***** about second hand smoke but they still go near smokers. People that smoke generally do it in places they are allowed to, if you dont want to smell their smoke dont go where they can do it. And if you want to cry about them doing it outside just realize the pollution in the air is enough allready to give you all these diseases. There are plenty of smoke free restaraunts and 99% of work places either dont allow smoking in the building or have a seperate staff room for smokers.
Im pretty sure most people can point something out about people that ***** at smokers that is bad. You ever walk by someone at work that smells like they bathe in perfume? Makes me puke, do i say anything though? No, its their choice and i know to stay away from them from then on.
Posted by: Muggs
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Originally posted by Nova Z
Well, on that note, why not make drugs in general legal?
When doing so you can control multiple things.
1) You can limit crime caused by drug dealing. If anyone can get their fix safely from a store, there will be less crime caused specifically by drug dealing.
2) You can limit deaths caused by drugs, by controlling quality through government agencies, and making sure there are proper dosage instructions and limitations.
3) The government can tax it, and make a fair bit of cash off of it. Especially if they are the only 'dealer'.
4) You can make it more socially acceptable to admit you have a problem, and get help. More often than not druggies will end up in jail, whereas drunks can get help whenever.
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I think canada is going to be heading that way soon considering they are working on building the largest hydro system in the world i think and its all gonna be in a top secret lair underground in an old abamdon mine shaft
Posted by: Muggs
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Originally posted by Chako
Note: Did you know that the Canadian Government hands out free cigarettes to under aged Youths in correction facilities in Canada? Got to love the absurdity of this.
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Here in Saskatchewan they banned smoking in all the correction facilities but on new years they get to watch porno and get some free pizza.
Posted by: redwench
i dont go into smokers houses. nor do i get in thier cars. but i expect to be able to walk into a place of business that caters to the public and conduct my business without being surrounded by smoke. youre saying thats unreasonable?
i wouldnt expect to walk into a cigar club and have it be smoke free. but when the only laundromat in 10 miles has people and employees that wander around smoking, i have a right to *****. i said not one word about bars or restaurants, which is a separate rant.
and it aint just about the smell, although thats bad enough. im talking asthma attacks and coughing until you puke. which i somehow doubt you do around someones perfume, tho thats nasty too.
Posted by: Muggs
buy a washer and dryer? second hand if you cant afford new ones.
The point is, if you are bugged so much by smoke then why go somewhere that you know there is a chance that there will be someone smoking?
Posted by: redwench
its a place of business for the public. a necessity for many people.
and where do you think i can go without being around smoke? i go to the mall, theres someone sneaking a smoke in the foyer or hallway, in spite of no smoking signs. i go to wendys, theres one employee that ive seen more than once standing between the doors puffing away. i go shopping, theres a couple people doing it right next to the door.
only a smoker would tell me not to go somewhere where there are people smoking. nonsmokers realize this is impossible. i dont care if someone smokes. you wanna smoke 5 packs a day, go for it. but the majority of smokers (no, not all of you) are inconsiderate, if not downright rude about smoking. sneaking smokes where you arent supposed to and thinking its cute. following the letter of the rule, and standing right next to the front door to smoke. or just wandering around with a lit cigarette without paying any attention to who is around you (ie. children). oh, and my eternal favorite, smoking in the bathroom of a nonsmoking facility. thats a true joy to discover.
Posted by: Gunslinger
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Originally posted by Muggs
buy a washer and dryer? second hand if you cant afford new ones.
The point is, if you are bugged so much by smoke then why go somewhere that you know there is a chance that there will be someone smoking?
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Errrr. Wrong.
Non-smokers don't go place where people are smoking, smokers go to places where people aren't smoking.
This goes along with a point made by myself and many others in this thread. What you want to do to yourself is your business. But you *cannot* do it to someone else. Smoking in public *is* doing it to someone else. There really is no valid argument against that. You would be emitting something unhealthy to me in my environment. You have absolutely no right to do that. Sorry, you just don't. Why should I (non-smokers) leave the location, or not go there at all? It's public, and we have to use these spaces as well. What you do in your private sector is your business. What you do in the public sector is my business, and I should have the right to force you to cease and desist such offensive activity at any time - in the public sector.
Fortunately, to help support this, there are people like Laggy who are proclaimed (self, and by others) to be considerate, and respect the rights of others who don't smoke. Props for him.
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Posted by: Gunslinger
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Posted by: Digitalphatman
Well honestly all these people complainig about smoking is just getting old. I personally do not smoke. THis is due to the fact i see what it has done to my dad. Emphysema, constatnly in and out of hospitals, haveing to use soem sort of breathing machine twice a day. THis is enough to make any one not want to smoke.
But come and quit the whinning. You can't always have stuff the way you want. To many people think the world should be exactly the way they want it. Free from everything that bothers them. Banning them won't work. Smokers do have a right to smoke if they want. And taking that away is taking one of their rights away b/c it bothers you.Sometimesyou have to learn to live with it. As for cigarettes being bad, what isn't. Many things are bad, cigaretes are just part of the list.
Posted by: Gunslinger
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Originally posted by Digitalphatman
Well honestly all these people complainig about smoking is just getting old. I personally do not smoke. THis is due to the fact i see what it has done to my dad. Emphysema, constatnly in and out of hospitals, haveing to use soem sort of breathing machine twice a day. THis is enough to make any one not want to smoke.
But come and quit the whinning. You can't always have stuff the way you want. To many people think the world should be exactly the way they want it. Free from everything that bothers them. Banning them won't work. Smokers do have a right to smoke if they want. And taking that away is taking one of their rights away b/c it bothers you.Sometimesyou have to learn to live with it. As for cigarettes being bad, what isn't. Many things are bad, cigaretes are just part of the list.
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So, you would have it so that society would collapse into anarchy with no voice of progress or change ever coming through......?
Didn't think so.
And I have a constitutional right regarding "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". Smoking around me can easily shorten my life (especially with my lung conditions), and it certainly makes me unhappy, so no one has the right to smoke around me.
Posted by: Muggs
im going to stop posting in this topic cause i dont want to offend anyone cause i know i probablly will.
Posted by: Gunslinger
Eh. Seems like a good thread to me. People are posting their varying opinions, and supporting them. Haven't seen any mudslinging yet.
Posted by: redwench
look, have you ever seen a heroin addict shoot up in public? no. crack addict? i didnt think so. ever seen anyone drinking alcohol anywhere that wasnt liscensed to serve it? i rather doubt it.
what is my point you ask? well, all those addictions have no physical effect on anyone else, yet they arent done in public places. wouldnt occur to you to walk into a laundromat with a beer would it? but a lit cigarette? sure, why not?
NOBODY GIVES A DAMN IF YOU SMOKE
is that clear enough? if you want to die in that way, feel free. but those of us that need to breathe clean air would like to be able to do so in PUBLIC places. if you have a desperate desire to smoke, do it in your car or by the dumpster. tobacco doesnt need to be banned. its users need to learn to not indulge their habit everywhere they feel like it. i dont walk into a place of business drinking beer, you shouldnt do it smoking.
Posted by: Fenix2004
A lot of kids in my school smoke. Especially girls. I never tried it because it will mess up my breathing when I play my sports. I saw a movie in health class of how smoking makes you age faster than normally and its incredible. I also saw an old lady that smoked since her twenties and she croaked like a frog when she talked and worst of all, she had to breath through a hole in her throat because she couldnt breath out of her mouth anymore. Even if I wanted to try smoking that movie alone would stop me..
Posted by: Swilo
It's a shame health classes don't reach students like yours did.
Posted by: Muggs
Fenix, i take it you live in canada? what you seen was a bunch of anti smoking commercials, their main point was to scare the shit out of you.
most of the time it works
Posted by: Fenix2004
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Originally posted by Muggs
Fenix, i take it you live in canada? what you seen was a bunch of anti smoking commercials, their main point was to scare the shit out of you.
most of the time it works
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No I live in New Jersey, USA. It did scare the shit out of me it was really gross
Posted by: PhantomGamer
Well those commercials are true
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