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Overclocking?
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Posted by: Bobaroo
I have never overclocked a computer in my life or do I know how to do it. I have a Celeron 600 and I was wondering how fast can I get it to go if I OC it. I know Celeron's are good processors to OC.
How would I go about overclocking my system?
Posted by: SKYHN
If you ever decide not to overclock it, Newegg has really good prices on Celeron chips. Their most expensive one is like $90 and it runs at 1.3ghz.
Posted by: Darky!
It all depends on how much cooling you have.
Posted by: Bobaroo
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Originally posted by SKYHN
If you ever decide not to overclock it, Newegg has really good prices on Celeron chips. Their most expensive one is like $90 and it runs at 1.3ghz.
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I was thinking of that, because my mobo can handle up to a P3 1ghz
Posted by: Spork Lover
You can do this through the bios. Im not sure what your bios looks like, but you would increase the clock multiplier, or increase the FSB. To get to the bios you will hit esc, del, or f2...etc etc... to get to setup right after you turn your puter on. When your computer goes through the memory test it will tell you which key to push. Read you MoBo manual, and it will tell you how to get to these options(to set the FSB, or Clock multiplier). If your Mobo is old enough you will have to do the overclocking via jumper settings
You will have to play with the settings, to find which configuration is the most stable. This all depends on how efficient, and how well your cooling setup is.
Posted by: Bobaroo
My mobo is an Aopen AX34 Pro. I am not sure how much cooling I have so i will have to check that out.
Posted by: SKYHN
If anyone finds it helpful, here are the specs of bobaroo's mobo: Aopen AX34 Pro
BTW: INTEL PENTIUM III 1GHz 133MHz FSB FCPGA PROCESSOR - $115 at newegg(Its OEM though).
Posted by: Sarc
Cooling is not something to be taken' lightly.
Definetly, check out what you got, because, stock coolers are for just that, stock speeds.
You might be able to get away with some mild over-clocking, but I wouldn't recommend it.
It'd be interesting to know what your FSB is currently running at.
Also, try to find out what spec you have for RAM.
If your lucky, and add some good cooling, you'll have a processor based off a 66MHz FSB and already have PC100 or PC133 RAM.
Which means you can over-clock the processor up to your RAM's spec and not stress the RAM to much.
That is of-course considering that the chip will even go that far.
Just an idea.
Also, over-clock one small step at a time.
A friend of mine recently got a old AMD K6 233MHz, and thought, "Hey, over-clocking sounds cool!".
What's he do, he takes a chip running a 66MHz FSB and sets the mobo to it's max of 150MHz +/-, and had a 600 something MHz machine, for a short period of time.
Now his screen doesn't even work half the time.
"Baby steps."
Posted by: Spork Lover
What temps are you currently running under a pretty moderate load?
When you OC ... HSF isnt the only thing to look into... thermal grease and lotsa fans.
I like the In and out rule... I like to have as many fans blowing in as I do have blowing out. Helps Circulation. Be ready to own a loud beast.
Im a cooling nut, and with my huge heatsink loud heatsink fan, and my four case fans I get a pretty decent temp... 40C under a moderate load.
Im not sure if your MoBo has any temp sensors but if it does then Mother Board Monitor would be a good tool to have installed, it will allow you to see the temp of your case and CPU in the windows enviroment.
Any luck with getting into the bios?
In Downloading your user manual right now, I'll be able to tell you how to OC after looking at it.
Posted by: Spork Lover
Ok pg 19, 20, and 21 of the manual are the settings which you will play around with. Page 21 shows the Frequency Multiplier table.
Small steps! Especially when playing with voltage!
Posted by: SKYHN
Heres a neat little thing for cooling your PC. I may have to buy one of these because its simple. Goes into a spare PCI Slot Bracket. You can move the fans into different positions too, which is pretty cool. And its only $15.
The Air Circulator
Posted by: Bobaroo
Oh man, overclocking is a lot harder then I thought. I may just get the P3 1ghz chip instead.
Posted by: Darky!
That air circulator is crap. I have one or two of them. Those fans are pretty much to weak.
Posted by: Spork Lover
overclocking is fun though 
I have two slot fans, they arent so bad. My case fans is what makes my cooling so great
Posted by: SKYHN
Since this thread is talking about cooling, what would be a good cooling device for a video card? Im talking about a fan of some kind that fits in the PCI Case Slot. I have been hearing that the GF4's run really hot, like 140+F. I would want some extra cooling for it, and since changing the fan on the board would void the warranty, it needs to be something seperate from the card.
Anyone have a suggestion?
Posted by: Spork Lover
www.frozenpc.com used to be a good place to get cooling stuff, its all they dealt with, but I just went to their site and i guess they are remodeling.
I have slot exhaust fans. I have one whose fan intake is pointed at my video card. The video cards fan blows into the intake of the slot exahust fan, and the slot exhaust fan blows it out.
I cant find a website that carries them, but check out www.coolpc.com for cooling needs
Posted by: SKYHN
Since Im a newbie when it comes to Cooling fans, which of these do you think would be good for cooling a GF4? (Look at the first 2 and the last one, the 3rd one I have no interest in).
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I dont really want a loud fan, but I dont know what the db rattings are. Those first 2 fans say 26db, how ever loud that is. The last one is 30db.
The other thing is, how do I know if I have a plug for an extra fan? Im no electrician  so if I have to run wires or something, Ill pass. Im pretty sure I saw some extra cooling fan plugs dangling in my case before though.
Posted by: SKYHN
Oops, Ignore the last fan too, its a card mounted one. I want a PCI slot one 
Posted by: Dabom
Skyhn, you should look into a Thermaltake Crystal Orb if you're looking for improved video card cooling (about $12). It's a heatsink/fan combo with a copper base. Don't worry about noise on pansy-sized fans.
Put a case fan in the back of the case as close to the AGP slot as you can.
Posted by: SKYHN
I would use a card fan, but changing the fan on the card will void your warranty. I just want a simple PCI Slot Cooling fan that will go right underneath the Video card, like the ones in the links I posted.
Posted by: Spork Lover
I use the Vantec fans, they are great....but man are they ever noisy. Worth it though, im sitting here running a few applications, word, VB, outlook, and about 7 IE windows... and Im sitting at a nice cool 39C on the CPU, and the case is 34C.
But you are mainly worried about your video card.... so buy one of those vantecs, because they move just as much air as the other, and put it next to your video card.
Posted by: steadyeddy
This isn't seperate from the card but it does work very well. Save your self some noise from all those fans.
Also check out the ultra quiet fans and PSU's. I have them all and my overclocked monster doesn't maka a sound, well it does but not as much. If you have money to burn them kit your pc out with this stuff.......
Posted by: steadyeddy
Whoops a link might help!!!!!!!
http://www.quietpc.com/vgamb.php
Posted by: tremor
Don't quote me on this, but my understanding is that 36dB (or is it 39?) is "Quiet", and 27dB is "Silent", meaning the same volume as normal ambient room noise.
Posted by: Sarc
tremor is right, if not really close.
40db's +/- is close to a normal conversation between two people, and 130db's is something like a 747 engine at take-off within 15-25 feet. Ouch! (Hmmm, I have to dig out my sound meter and read the book again.)
Maybe it's just me, but the whole idea of having a PCI slot fan sucking air in the opposite direction that the vid card's fan is trying to blow the air, doesn't make much sense.
I could be wrong, but I keep thinking stail-mate.
I personally think a case fan blowing down on-top of your video card(s) is a good way to go.
Posted by: SKYHN
Well from what I understand about those PCI fans I linked, you put it right under the video card, the video card fan blows the air down into the pci fan, then the PCI fan blows it out of the back of the case. That way, the hot air doesnt even stay in the case for more than a milisecond.
Ill head on over to madonion forums and get some second opionions
Posted by: Chako
I have the last one. The system card bracket cooler. It works good.
I had a different slot cooler (not the same manufacture) and found that in my set up, it short circuited my air flow path and left the top computer case portion stagnant and warm due to improper exhaust flow. In other words, the air came in from the front low fan and a good part of it exited from that slot cooler. Just something to be aware of. Because of this, I bought the above bracket cooler.
Posted by: Sarc
Ok, so if I understand you correctly SKYHN, the setup you would like, would still require manually modding the stock H.S./F on the GF4, since they (AFAIK) blow the air onto the chip instead of sucking it away.
Seem's to me, (if I'm right) that it would still void your warranty. 
Posted by: SKYHN
This is the fan im talking about:
http://www.coolerguys.com/images/blueslot.jpg
You dont do anything to the video card. You simply take the PCI slot cover off, put this fan in, put the screw in and plug the fan in. The fan sucks in air through the top and blows it out of the PC through the back.
Posted by: Sarc
Ok, that thing, takes the air and sucks it in a downward direction, then spits it out the back of the PC case.
This, I think we can all agree on.
To the best of my knowledge, the cooling system on a GF4 is very similar in design, execpt it has been inverted. As in, it blows air up towards the PCB, then out the sides.
This is a conflict in direction when it comes to flow.
I would think that this would create a mass of turbulance for the video cards source for cooling air flow.
BTW, this is my personaly opinion, I'm am not a physicist, nor do I have a doctorit from M.I.T. Heck, I can't even spell very good from time to time, but this whole setup just doesn't make much sense to me.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Posted by: SKYHN
Well if what you said about the GF4 Fans is correct, then this wouldnt work. Thats basically what I was trying to find out.
I may still buy that fan though and put it in the last slot in my case, just for a little extra case cooling
I probably shouldnt worry about cooling until I have the card in my hands. But Ive been reading about them and they run very hot, about 140f or higher and right now im crusing at 28.5c/83.3f on my CPU and 33.5c/92.3f on my power supply. That 140f would heat up the entire case, and I dun want that!
Posted by: Sarc
Check out page 4 of this review.
Besides being a kick ass card, (and from Gainward  ) they go into a little detail on the new NVidia reference cooling system for the GF4's.
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