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INTEGRATED CPU's...who wants one?
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Posted by: PITBULL
...128MB DDR on a Geforce4 is impressive but what I want to see is the Geforce architecture and DDR integrated into a CPU!...why waste your time with 128MB DDR RAM when you could be running this architecture at 3GIGS...incompatibillity would be beggin us not to forsake it,think about it...all major corporations in sound and graphics could have their architectures intergrated;...for example,my CPU would have Creative and Nvidia architectues in the CPU while someone else can have lets say...Turtle Beach and ATI architectures in a CPU and so on,no more God forsaken issues when you take your gear home and spark it up and it runs without effort...no more jack ass patches and hot fixes and drivers and problems and......!
need I say more!We need to petition Intel and AMD to get this shit on the road but the industry is making a killing on the end user cause we are the ones willing to put up with their product issues and they know we'll keep coming back like a bunch of morons,like my Bro who worked for IBM,Microsoft said...we have to push the issue and push until we get a response,otherwise we will all still keep running after the produts they know we'll debug for them,greed is more of the issue in the industry and not like they can't produce intergrated CPU's cause they can!
Posted by: SKYHN
Im sure AMD, Creative and Nvidia would love to share the profits...
Posted by: Ion Silverbolt
Actually I believe the long term goal is to have more components integrated. It's no accident that ATI and nVidia have entered the chipset market.
Right now, the nForce chipset is a great example of good integration. It's not top of the line graphics, but it's a good performer and you can get a respectable rig for a lot less in cost.
Posted by: SKYHN
In the Motherboards - Yes.
All in the CPU's - No.
Isnt he suggesting to have the components integrated into the CPU and not the motherboard?
Posted by: Ion Silverbolt
I assumed he meant motherboard when he said integrated. Having all that on a CPU would be an inefficient design. Maybe soemday when we get to the .03 micron process, such a processor might come to light for portable PC's of somekind. For desktops, it wouldn't be practicle.
Posted by: JANNA
the problem is the HD's themselves. they are incredibly slow. too bad there isnt an efficient or relatively cheap way to load all ur data into memmory and cut out the HD altogether.
Posted by: Kdr Kane
They have been wanting to do this for a long time.
The technology doesn't exist. So, you're just wishing.
You can't pack 128MB DDR into a CPU. They can't even do that with the video GPU.
They can barely pack 2MB of cache RAM in server-class CPU's. The cost is extreme.
Posted by: Sarc
Personally, I think the whole idea is ludicrous.
- First: If I do have a incompatibility problem, all I have to do is pull out the bad part and get a new one. If it was integrated, I'd have to replace the entire core!
Second: With the entire video and sound sub-system integrated into the CPU core, your talking about a massive spike in cost factor. Especially when you look at point number 1.
Third: One of my favorite things about my system is the fact that each component was hand picked. I personally enjoy my systems uniqueness to much for some fool idea about synergie.
Oh yah, Cyrix already tried this with thier MediaGX processor. It was considerably slower than a equally clocked Pentium MMX.
Posted by: SKYHN
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Originally posted by JANNA
the problem is the HD's themselves. they are incredibly slow. too bad there isnt an efficient or relatively cheap way to load all ur data into memmory and cut out the HD altogether.
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Something I have heard about before is Magnetic Ram. It can keep information even after your PC is off. So when you turn your PC back on the next day, everything is exactly where it was when you turned it off. No boot up.
I also read that you could format this ram into a drive. So say you had 10.0gb of ram, you could put your entire OS as well as your favorite games into it making it load almost instantly.
One thing I see that could possibly happen once Magnetic Ram hits is companies like Western Digital and Seagate creating a 3 1/2' drive that has hundreds of magnetic ram chips. Mobo's would have to have some kind of slot though for them to plug into. Its probably several years off, but it could happen.
Posted by: PITBULL
...architecture intergration eliminates PCI slots on a mobo hence the CPU would have complete control over apps...intergration would become the standard in computing so the code for writing apps would be to one and only one specification,all software companies would become intergrated and the .dll language becomes universal!...all apps written in one code instead of needing a fix for evey error cause software apps are written to so many specifics instead of one!...software solutions can be intergrated if Intel and Microsoft ever consider the end user,letting the hardware companies write their own code to work with theirs makes money for the conglamorates and the end user becomes the software tester...this is where they want us cause we will continue to buy no matter what decisions they make!
Posted by: SKYHN
It will never happen...
You make it seem so simple yet its not.
Posted by: Darky!
Indeed.
And when it comes time to upgrade, you have to upgrade EVERYTHING, not just one specific part.
Great idea.
It will never happen. Or atleast not any time soon.
Posted by: PITBULL
...your upgrades will be codes that you purchase just like buying new hardware!,why would you think that you would have to buy a whole new PC!...ever hear of firmware?
Posted by: Darky!
But your forgetting the fact that technology changes.
Nothing stays the same forever.
Posted by: SKYHN
How would firmware take a 3ghz CPU and make it 4ghz?
Posted by: PITBULL
...I was expecting you to assume on the firmware comment!...I never said firmware is how it would be done but my friend who worked for IBM,Microsoft and yes knows Bill,Jobbs and all the rest of them explained the whole story to me,this idea is not impossible but like I said...stocks are important to corporates,CPU's are getting faster and memory can't keep up...ever ask yourself questions and know what you see or do you fall for what the TV or PC tells you?!
Posted by: SKYHN
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Originally posted by PITBULL
...I was expecting you to assume on the firmware comment!...I never said firmware is how it would be done but my friend who worked for IBM,Microsoft and yes knows Bill,Jobbs and all the rest of them explained the whole story to me,this idea is not impossible but like I said...stocks are important to corporates,CPU's are getting faster and memory can't keep up...ever ask yourself questions and know what you see or do you fall for what the TV or PC tells you?!
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Theres only 2 ways to make a CPU go faster: Overclocking or Replacing it. The first option isnt a smart way to go.
As far as memory not being able to keep up, where did you get that from? Why do you think there are 4 speeds of DDR Ram?
Posted by: PITBULL
...do some research and you may be blown away at what you find out my friend!
Posted by: Darky!
You need to do some research 
No processor utilizes PC2400/2700 thats not OCed. And the reason I'm useing AMD as an example is because almost everyone here has an AMD.
Sure it could use it easily but it keeps up with the processor quite nicely, so saying it can't keep up is bit far out there.
Posted by: Kdr Kane
What other great ideas do you have, Bro?
Posted by: Sarc
You would think in this day and age for computers, you would be familiar with the term: Monopoly.
In case you didn't know, these things are generally bad. 
BTW, DLL's are not the only things that create incompatibilities. Ever heard of the VIA & SBLive issue?
Whether it was exclusivly VIA or SBLive or not, it definetly had everything to do with hardware.
Posted by: Heathen
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How would firmware take a 3ghz CPU and make it 4ghz?
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It couldn't ... overclock maybe... and thats a whole new can of worms.
I don't like this idea... keep things seperate ... makes upgrading a whole lot easier.
Posted by: PITBULL
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Originally posted by Sarc
You would think in this day and age for computers, you would be familiar with the term: Monopoly.
In case you didn't know, these things are generally bad.
BTW, DLL's are not the only things that create incompatibilities. Ever heard of the VIA & SBLive issue?
Whether it was exclusivly VIA or SBLive or not, it definetly had everything to do with hardware.
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...SB Audigy,Via is what is in my Rig Bro!...and as for issuses I've had,a few!
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